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["Hedwig's Theme" plays]
David Heyman: Hello, this is David Heyman and I'm the producer of the Harry Potter films and this is MuggleCast.
[Show music begins]
Andrew: Because I'm ready to put on my Sunday best, this is MuggleCast Episode 213 for November 12th, 2010.
[Show music continues]
Andrew: Welcome everyone to MuggleCast episode two hundred and - ooh - an unlucky thirteen.
Andrew: Micah and Eric are here, along with me. Hello boys.
Micah: Hello, Andrew.
Andrew: And we're diverting from the normally scheduled programming that we would have here. We're actually going to skip Chapter-by-Chapter this week because the movie is - the upcoming film is on everyone's mind and what better thing to discuss than the adaptation of the book to the film, and we're going to do that this week, based on the wonderful editorial that MuggleNet editorialist Lady Lupin wrote for MuggleNet a few weeks ago. It was posted on the site, got great feedback. I think we briefly mentioned it on the show when it was released, so thats going to be our main discussion this week and of course we have lots of news, so you guys ready?
Andrew: Are you set?
Micah: I thought you were talking to the fans.
Andrew: Fans, rev up your engines!
[Eric makes car engine noise]
Micah: I can see people riding the school bus and just screaming out "Yes!" as you...
Micah: ...said that.
Eric: School bus.
Andrew: I would understand that because I used to - when I rode the school bus I would listen to podcasts.
Eric: Do those...
Micah: Would you really?
Andrew: Yeah. Not ours, but I would.
Micah: Well I shouldn't just say the school bus. People that are driving to work, people that are working around their home, or at work. I know people listen to us at work as well - we're a fine substitute for getting things done.
Andrew: If anyone listens in the bathroom please let us know so we can start saying people listen to us in the bathroom.
Andrew: We want to cover all areas of your world.
Eric: ...I'll listen to us in the bathroom just to forego anybody e-mailing us in and confessing to that.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Why don't you podcast in the bathroom? That'll one up everyone.
Eric: I think the bathroom is occupied at the moment.
Micah: An interesting question though would be what is the most unique place that somebody has listened to this podcast?
Eric: I feel like we've already done a contest.
Andrew: I feel like we've asked that before.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. [laughs] I think we have! We should...
Micah: Well, we haven't done that in 150 episodes though...
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Micah: ...so why not try it again?
Micah: I feel like maybe Ben asked that question at one point or another.
Eric: Because he - well he podcasts from his car, and then we had a listener competition - "send a picture of you listening to us in a really odd location," and I forget if we ever even compiled the listeners.
Andrew: If you do have - if you think your location is unique...
Andrew: ...do e-mail it in, visit MuggleCast.com and e-mail us. Anyway, let's get the show started. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
[Show music continues, plays out]
Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum.
Andrew: What's in the news?
Micah: Well Andrew, before we get to talking about Deathly Hallows, Dan Radcliffe made an appearance on The Simpsons earlier this week and we want to talk a little bit about it - not spend too much time on it - but it was part of The Simpsons "Treehouse of Horror" their annual Halloween episode. It aired on Sunday evening at eight o'clock here on the east coast and probably will air throughout the country. I don't know - The Simpsons, I would assume, airs overseas as well. If not, you can probably watch it online. It will end up on YouTube undoubtedly as well, so I'm sure we will post the full episode on MuggleNet at one point or another, but Eric, you and I both got a chance to see it. What was your overall impression of the part that Dan Radcliffe appeared in?
Eric: I thought it was really, really funny and I was worried because we found out that he was going to do this - it was before last year's "Treehouse of Horror" took place that we found out he was going to be on The Simpsons, and I remember specifically the MuggleNet post was like, "Okay, it's going to be on 'Treehouse of Horror XXI'," which is next years, so we waited - I mean we were waiting like a year for this to hear from when he had to record it to when it finally aired, and I have to say I was really pleased. I thought this episode was funny and that the segment with Dan Radcliffe in it was very funny.
Micah: Oh, okay.
Andrew: Micah, you have an opposing opinion.
Micah: I thought it was terrible. I thought the whole show was awful.
Eric: All of it?
Micah: But that [laughs] that's just my own opinion.
Andrew: Now, do you normally like The Simpsons?
Micah: I probably haven't sat down and watched The Simpsons in years. I watched it when I was growing up because it's been on for twenty years now, [laughs] and it obviously has its place in American television culture, but I just thought this episode was terrible.
Micah: The only time I laughed at was when Homer shot the pelican...
Micah: ...during the second comedy sketch.
Eric: Which had Hugh Laurie on it.
Micah: It's just my own opinion. I didn't even notice that, and Dan Radcliffe didn't even sound like he was British in the early part of the segment that he appeared in, so it took a while to be able to tell that it was him. I'm not sure that anybody who was randomly watching would know that it was him if they didn't see a post like this or commercial in advance saying that - "starring Dan Radcliffe" - but I didn't think that it was very funny but maybe that's because I haven't read Twilight and I guess that's what it was spoofing.
Eric: Well, I suppose - I think in particular the first Twilight film probably got the brunt of the references and the jokes. It kind of followed the plot of the first film more, although there were elements of the whole series in this short. There were three stories to this "Treehouse of Horror" episode and each of them were about six to nine minutes I would say, without commercials.
Micah: Well, the other news that was released over the weekend - maybe unintentionally by the official Harry Potter website - is that it seems as if Alexandre Desplat will be composing Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 which is in complete contrast to information that we reported...
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Micah: ...probably a couple months ago, that it was going to be John Williams who was going to return for the final Harry Potter film, so this is...
Micah: ...I don't think it's that unexpected though, since he did work on Part 1 that he would return for Part 2, and...
Andrew: Right, the only surprise is that we had heard, apparently from W.B. Brazil, that John Williams was on board and a lot of people wanted John Williams to come back for Part 2 because he did the first three films, obviously did an amazing job, wrote the now iconic "Hedwig's Theme", and everybody knows him for his great scores whether it's Star Wars, Jurassic Park - he's done it all. He's done the biggest franchises.
Andrew: So, for him to come back and round out the series - put his magic on it - it would've been great and the crew have been on the record as saying, "yes we would have liked to have him back," but it looks like it hasn't worked out. I think this was definitely an unintentional leak. Whoever writes the copy for the site is getting a slap on the wrist on Monday.
Micah: Is no longer employed on Monday.
Andrew: Yeah, is going to be looking for some work somewhere else.
Eric: Yeah, I think a lot of fans are craving the closure that John Williams - or the circularity, I want to say, of everything coming back to the start, especially with the films, which ties in with our editorial discussion today. A lot of people are looking for the films to have a circular - have a kind of full, wholesome feel to them, and that would have been achieved...
Eric: ...easier with John Williams - same composer as the first film coming back for the eighth.
Micah: But I think the thing people need to remember, though, is that John Williams hasn't really been a part of the series since Prisoner of Azkaban, right?
Micah: So, that was released in '03, I think, or around that time, so you're talking seven years he hasn't been involved with this franchise. Maybe he's consulted in some respect with some of the other composers since then, but ultimately he hasn't been around for that long, so it shouldn't be that big of a surprise that he's not going to be back for the finale.
Eric: Yeah, I mean he only...
Andrew: And by the way...
Andrew: ...I watched the Part IV of the Harry Potter documentary that we were talking about on the Ultimate Editions...
Eric: Oh, about the music?
Andrew: ...yeah, and John Williams at one point - he's talking and he reveals something really interesting that before he had even seen a single frame of the films, he wrote "Hedwig's Theme" because they needed it for something. I can't remember what they needed it for, but they needed it and this is before he had even seen any of the film, not a single frame, and he wrote that and then they heard it and they were like, "Oh my God, this is perfect," and I just think that's an incredible story because now that is the theme of the entire franchise and - [laughs] - he hadn't even seen any of the film.
Eric: See, I don't know. I like him even less from knowing that story. [laughs]
Andrew: Why, because he's so perfect?
Eric: Yeah, yeah...
Eric: ...well, no, because also [laughs], also it just shows that he wasn't personally moved by Harry Potter, like all of us are personally moved by his music, so...
Andrew: Well, come on, he made some other scores that were inspired by what he saw on-screen, so...
Eric: Maybe, but I don't particularly love the third film, which was really the film that he as a composer, broke all the boundaries on, so I don't feel like I owe him that debt of loyalty. He's only composed three out of the what will be eight films and despite "Hedwig's Theme" and the good themes that fit well to the movies he was a part of, I also really like what these new composers have done since, so...
Andrew: What else is in the news, Micah?
Eric: Sorry, gentlemen.
Micah: Let's stick with Part 1 here for a second and talk a little bit about all the clips that have been released over the course of really the last week or so and, Eric, I know you're going to chime in. You've seen the film in some capacity and obviously you're a bit disappointed that this much is being leaked out there, but some of the things that we have seen is a look at the Seven Potters with Mad-Eye Moody going around and giving the Polyjuice Potion to everyone who's at Privet Drive. We saw a clip of Dobby in Malfoy Manor with - who is it - Ollivander, Harry, Ron, Luna, and Griphook. We saw recently a shot of Kreacher as part of a TV spot, and him talking about the Deathly Hallows, and there was also some other clips that were released. One at the cafe, I think, right? When ...
Andrew: Yes, yes.
Micah: ...they're fighting some of the Death Eaters...
Micah: ...or Snatchers, and there was another one with Bellatrix fighting at Malfoy Manor as well, so a lot of different clips being thrown out there - TV spots and different things and [laughs] it's just - you can tell the movie is close at hand, but I was - the thing I was really surprised to see was the one at Privet Drive because I thought that was a scene a lot of people would be looking forward to, and for them to throw it out there before the movie - I know it angered a lot of people.
Andrew: ...you can be as angry as you want, but the fact of the matter is you don't have to watch the clips.
Micah: ...I agree with that, yeah, I know, I agree with you....
Andrew: The clips are not ...
Micah: ...but we have to.
Andrew: ...the clips are not - no, I'm speaking to the listeners now...
Andrew: Listen, listener who's upset about this...
Andrew: ...you don't have to watch it, and it's not ruining anything for you, it's not ruining anything for anyone else. Actually, I do have comments about that clip. I think what they did was a bit lazy, but I think I'll save that for our movie review episode. The way that everyone transforms into the seven Potters, I thought it was kind of lazy. I'm a bit disappointed.
Eric: Oh, is that your comment?
Andrew: That's my comment, so, I'm mad too. It ruined it for me. [laughs]
Eric: Well, how would you know if you hadn't already seen it?
Andrew: I did.
Eric: That scene is like 90 seconds long in the movie, and there's a ...
Andrew: It's a 90 second clip.
Eric: ...65 second...
Eric: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Andrew: Yeah, so...
Eric: It's pretty, solid ridiculous. There are no other words for that. And even though you don't have to watch these scenes, I feel like the fact that they're out there and you need to purposely try to avoid them - we got fans and listener comments. I posted two of them...
Andrew: You don't need to try to avoid them! You just don't click on them! It's not like someone's shoving them down your throat! [laughs]
Eric: If you have friends who are Harry Potter fans, Andrew...
Andrew: Aw, come on.
Eric: They are posting this on Facebook, they are linking this on Twitter, and it's just annoying.
Andrew: You're one of those people that are feeding into this nonsense...
Andrew: About, "Oh my God, it's ruining the films." They're just clips. Micah, what else is going on? Come on, get us out of here.
Andrew: Out of this hole.
Micah: All right, the last bit of news is about the Quidditch World Cup, which is going to take place this upcoming weekend, November 13th to the 14th, in New York City, and...
Andrew: Now, wait a second, how is this possible? I thought these books were fiction.
Micah: Oh, well, Andrew...
Eric: [whispering] Brooms are real. Brooms are real.
Micah: If you watch MSNBC, you will see the feature that they recently did on the Quidditch World Cup and Quidditch as a whole. They actually had a girl by the name of Annabel Cryan on, who's a high school Quidditch Captain. So I guess what they're doing is they're not just bringing colleges in, I guess high schools as well for this Quidditch World Cup, coming up this weekend. So, it's pretty cool that it's caught on the way that it has. I remember, I think it was Middlebury College initiated this...
Andrew: Yeah, you're right.
Micah: This whole idea of playing Quidditch as a sport, and it's really grown over the course of the last couple of years, and it's taken on a life of its own, kind of like Wizard Rock has, not to the level. But it's interesting to see all these different colleges and schools out there playing this now, getting featured on something like MSNBC. I'm sure it'll be a great event leading up to the premiere on Monday, so...
Andrew: Right. So when is this actually - it's taking place the weekend before the premiere?
Micah: Yeah, so the 13th and the 14th in New York City is where it'll be.
Andrew: Why don't we go watch this? What - why - what day is it?
Micah: I just...
Micah: It's the 13th and the 14th.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Micah: November 13th and 14th.
Andrew: I just asked you...
Micah: For the third time...
Micah: In New York City, for the fourth time.
Andrew: I was looking it up. I wasn't listening.
Eric: Especially for somebody - now I know, Micah, I know you're a football fan. As a sports watcher, I never found one sport besides baseball that I could follow and especially no sport that I would follow religiously in terms of fan-ship. I think Quidditch, being a Harry Potter fan, a fan of the books, I'd like to see this sport adapted to reality as it has been and gain in notoriety as it has been. I would like to go to this Quidditch World Cup, and I would like to see this in action.
Andrew: All right, Micah, it's decided. Clear your schedule Sunday. I'm flying on Saturday. I'm going to miss it. But Sunday, I will bring a picnic basket and a blanket, and we will sit and watch the game together and have a little picnic.
Eric: On the field? I got to tell you, they don't actually have brooms. They're going to be running...
Andrew: Not on the field! We'll be in the - the spectators! We'll be on the sidelines, and everyone listening should go.
Eric: I got to say, you should pool your resources. Somebody who listens to our show might actually have front row tickets to spare.
Andrew: No, I know the guy who runs this. He e-mails and asks us to plug it, so I'm going.
Andrew: Everyone listening, if you're in New York City, go. We should go. It's going to be fun.
Micah: And, of course, it is sponsored by our good friends over at Alivan's. They are the...
Andrew: Ah, yeah.
Micah: Title sponsor of the event, so...
Andrew: Do they supply the brooms?
Micah: They might. They might.
Andrew: I think they do. All right. Well, Micah, you and I have a date. November 14th.
Micah: Sounds like a good time.
Andrew: I'll wear my Sunday best.
Micah: You do that.
Andrew: All right. What else is going on?
Micah: Well, I think we can just wrap up talking about the fact that nominations are open for the 2010 Podcast Awards, and we'd like people to go out there and nominate us in the categories of People's Choice and Entertainment. You can - as the rules not so clearly state - you can nominate us in the People's Choice and one other category, so we ask that for that other category you nominate us in Entertainment. Voting will open I think two weeks after, so on November the 21st is when the voting should open.
Andrew: Well, that's when nominations close.
Micah: Oh, that's when nominations close. I'm not sure when voting opens. We'll keep you guys posted on when that happens.
Micah: But, obviously, we appreciate you guys going out and nominating us and then hopefully voting for us if we make the cut, so...
Andrew: Right. We need your help. We need your help now, so go to...
Andrew: ...PodcastAwards.com. In the People's Choice box - it's right on the main page, it's very easy - put in 'MuggleCast'. Under podcast URL put 'http://www.mugglecast.com'. Do the same thing in the Entertainment box. Then at the bottom you put your name and your e-mail address, and you hit submit. It's very easy. Instructions can also be found on MuggleCast.com. We really appreciate your support. Thank you so much.
Micah: Yeah, and also our friends over at Hogwarts Radio are running - are trying to get in the running for two podcast awards as well. I believe, Eric, you said in Education, and there's one other category they're in?
Andrew: Best Produced.
Micah: Best Produced, so...
Eric: Best Produced.
Micah: If you guys can, definitely go ahead and fill out their names and what's the website that they can include?
Andrew: Just go to MuggleCast.com, and right there on the main page you'll find all the instructions. It's very easy. It'll take you ten seconds.
Micah: Oh, well...
Eric: Yeah, Hogwarts Radio is a good podcast too. I - they like us, and we like them.
Eric: And I also happen to be on their show.
Micah: Oh really? I didn't know that.
Andrew: Full disclosure. Okay, so for our main discussion this week, like I said at the top of the show, we are going to focus on an editorial that was posted on MuggleNet a couple weeks ago now by our own Lady Lupin. It really got a lot of feedback, and this is the reason why we're talking about it here on the show today. It's really interesting because we have talked on this show so much about the good and bad of what the adaptations have done, and this editorial basically broke everything down. She compares Film Harry to Book Harry, what Film Harry knows - sorry, what Book Harry knows and what Film Harry doesn't know, what they could possibly do to fix those problems in Parts I and II. It's a lot so...
Eric: And she's not afraid to lay it on the line as far as her personal feelings, too. I found myself agreeing with the non-strict points she was making, such as her feelings on Dumbledore in the films and all of that, so hopefully Micah will [coughs] do a good job...
Eric: ...on touching on all of that.
Micah: Yeah. No, I think...
Eric: No pressure. No pressure, Micah.
Micah: No, no pressure at all. We've done over 200 episodes, so I think pressure has gone out the window at this point. But, no, I think this is really a great editorial, and really we can talk to almost every point that exists in it, and I put pretty much close to every point in here. But, Eric, you did bring up a good point when you said she wasn't afraid to really lay it on the line, and I think she made it clear though that people should differentiate between the books and the movies, and she does that. I mean, she goes in with the anticipation that everything that we like about the books is not going to be able to make it into the films.
Micah: And I think that that's a huge misconception that a lot of Harry Potter fans go into seeing a movie with, that everything they loved about, let's say Half-Blood Prince, is gonna be in the Half-Blood Prince film, and it's just not feasible from a time standpoint.
Eric: Well, Half-Blood Prince is, I would say, her primary focus as well as a film in this editorial. I think that's the right choice to make because it is the most recent film. It is the one that kind of mattered the most as far as, obviously, setting up the finale to the series, and there's even a little bit about, I guess, some excerpts from DH Part 1, like the trailers and stuff that have been released, in this editorial. So it's very fresh, but she does even say she liked the sixth film, but then she'll continue to be very, very skeptical about all the things they did cut out, and she goes into detail as far as that so...
Eric: ...I think it's really effective, and I can't wait to just start talking about this, so let's do it.
Micah: Okay, well, Andrew you mentioned that really the whole point of this editorial is analyzing what book-Harry knows prior to Deathly Hallows versus what movie-Harry knows prior to the final two films. She starts out with the great point that really, for the first five films, the screenwriters were flying blind. They weren't really sure how the series would end, and they had to make a lot of their choices without being certain what would prove important later on in the series. Now, certainly they had J.K. Rowling as a resource but...
Micah: Once you get to Half-Blood Prince, we all know what the ending is going to be and to her point, she says that the filmmakers can't hope to have the same impact that scenes like the Lightning-Struck Tower would have when you were reading it for the first time. So...
Eric: See, I don't know that I feel about this. I don't know that I feel that those two points are mutually exclusive, and I don't know that I particularly agree that they can't match on screen what we feel in the books.
Micah: Why is that though?
Eric: Do you...?
Micah: No, I agree with you. I'm not sure that those two points that she throws out there necessarily connect with each other. I think she makes a great point that the first five films, there wasn't as much knowledge. But, now with Half-Blood Prince, Deathly Hallows had already been out, so you knew how the series was going to come to an end. I think her point should have been...
Micah: That they should have done more with Half-Blood Prince...
Micah: Knowing what was going to be the outcome of the series.
Eric: Yeah, and I completely agree. And on that topic, things like Kreacher, when they went to cut him, JKR said no. But less significant changes, of which there are probably a hundred in each film - more in the later films after 2, I would say, than others - but the very small details that everybody just took liberties with - obviously they weren't that bad, like the frog choir, that JKR allowed in - do eventually, through the course of eight films, work to create - or, I should say, six films - work to create the situation that we have now, which as she points out - as Lady Lupin points out, is a completely different movie-Harry. A completely different Harry than the one in the book, in terms of what he knows, in terms of what his world is like, and in terms of how he reacts to that world. They're completely different.
Andrew: Well, let's run through a couple of those points, and then feel free to stop me if you want to mention anything related to them.
Andrew: Point number one that she brings up:
"Book-Harry knows that Dumbledore believes that the remaining Horcruxes are Hufflepuff's cup, Nagini, something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's, and the part of Voldemort's soul that resides in his new body. Film-Harry knows none of this."
So, this one could be a problem, looking at Part 1, because Harry - presumably he's going to have to find out about this information from Dumbledore somewhere in Part 1 since he didn't learn it in Half-Blood Prince.
Andrew: Eric, as someone who has seen the film, does he acquire this information in a way that's...
Andrew: Feels okay?
Micah: Spoiler Alert!
Eric: Yeah. Well, since you asked, I'm going to say that...
Micah: Let's just say spoiler alert.
Eric: Okay, I think that's fair, but I think that we already have listeners who comment and say, "We're not listening to MuggleCast until November 19th." So, yeah, spoiler alert. But I'm going to say that the seventh film employs something I've never seen them do before, as far as filmmaking. I think this is their response to some of this, their preparation for some of this. They struggle - it's echoed in the mirror, Sirius's mirror. In the seventh film, Harry has it, and it's odd because it was something that was almost even deliberately, completely ignored by filmmakers in Movie 5, when Sirius is supposed to give Harry this mirror and it's supposed to be sentimental, dadadadada. So, what I'm saying is they employed this technique to suggest that things have happened in the world of the movie that weren't shown in the movies. So, it actually for the first time feels like a real...
Eric: Yeah! So for the first time it feels...
Andrew: So, does he get the Horcrux information through the mirror?
Eric: But having the mirror already shows that in the world of the film, Harry has had some of the training we haven't seen him get. Does that make sense? So, say for instance that Harry received a lesson from Dumbledore during the course of his sixth year that wasn't shown on screen in Movie 6. It's plausible based on how he acts in the seventh film. And I'm not saying that the Horcrux knowledge is not going to be shown on screen at all, because I think it absolutely will be, but in Part 2.
Andrew: ...So the short answer of that was "No."
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Micah: Well, here's my question, Eric. Are you saying that Sirius' mirror is an example of one of those things where...
Micah: ...that the producer or the director is trying to make it clear to the person going to the film that there have been things taking place that that viewer hasn't been privy to. Is that what you're saying?
Eric: Yes. Because, yes - the shock I received when seeing that Harry had the mirror and that it wasn't questioned by the characters kind of stunned me...
Andrew: It wasn't explained at all?
Eric: Well, he knows what it's about. And...
Andrew: Uh huh. But what about the viewer?
Eric: ...it's jarring. Well, the viewer, if they've read the books, they know what it's about. And if the viewer who hasn't read the books - they don't really - I don't know why they'd care.
Andrew: So, he just pulls out the mirror...
Andrew: ...and he sees a flash of an eye in the movie?
Andrew: Oh no...
Micah: So, but - the assumption is...
Eric: What's significant...
Micah: Wait, wait...
Andrew: I have a feeling the...
Eric: What's significant with the mirror - okay, what's significant with the mirror is that he thinks it's Dumbledore in it and that that ties into the theme that the movie does talk about, which is same as the book, which is who Dumbledore really was.
Andrew: Does he find a piece of the mirror in the woods?
Andrew: Oh, okay.
Eric: He has it in his trunk. Or in Hermione's purse-bag.
Andrew: All right, all right. Hm, hm.
Eric: So I'm saying - no - so I'm saying, in order to combat this ignorance that movie-Harry had, they've actually employed this new technique. And this isn't going to be the end all, be all, solve everything - because, I think - I'll elaborate on that later. But for the moment, I think that some things are going to be expressed or take - be okay. I was okay with it because the way Movie 7-Harry acted made it really seem like a non-issue. And I feel horrible saying that because I'll be the first person to critique line-by-line the third movie about where it was unfaithful. And so this editorial is right up my alley.
Micah: Could somebody make the argument, then, that David Yates is making the assumption that the person going to see Deathly Hallows - Part 1 knows what Sirius' mirror is?
Eric: No, it's not...
Micah: Because how can you bring that into play without fully explaining what it is?
Andrew: See, I think this is one of the things - let's try to keep the discussion on the editorial.
Micah: Okay. Yeah.
Andrew: Because I think it's one of the things that needs to be discussed once we actually see the film.
Eric: Yeah. But the short answer is, it's a non-issue because Harry knows what it is. If Harry knows what it is that he's looking at, there's no reason for you to need to know what it is.
Micah: Right. Well, okay, let's keep going down this list. But, Andrew, I just wanted to bring up...
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