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Muggle Mail: Disconnection with the Audience

Andrew: Okay, let's now get to the next e-mail. Brittany, 25, of Colorado. She wrote in a very long e-mail. We're just going to read a couple of the things that she had to say:

"Hey guys, on the discussion about 'Deathly Hallows' on Episode 214, thank you Micah and Richard for saying exactly what I felt. I was so excited about this release. I enjoyed it, but I have to say that I cannot imagine how anyone who has not read the books is going to have a clue what is going on or feel the same sense of urgency J.K.R. creates in the books. I thought the first 30 minutes or so of the film was excellent. I was completely sucked in and excited for what was to come. But somewhere after the wedding scene is where the disconnect started. I was never emotionally drawn into the movie. Instead, it felt more like I was watching these really great and sometimes epic scenes without really knowing why they were so important. I know it's difficult to make all the pieces fit together when the general audience doesn't have all the backstory. But as someone who loves and has read the series, I still wasn't happy. Something was definitely off, and I'm not afraid to say it has me concerned about what will take place in Movie 8. Overall, I'd say a 5 out of 10. Thanks again and keep up the good work!"

Eric: That's more generous than Richard's 3.

[Richard laughs]

Andrew: Yes. [laughs]

Matt: Did she say anything on why? Was there any specifics about this? Because we can't really...

Andrew: Well, I think she's responding to a lot of the stuff that Micah and Richard were saying last week...

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: ...concerning the purpose, right Micah?

Micah: And as far as the disconnect that she talks about kind of after the wedding, I really think that one scene that they could have included that might have helped people understand more of the going at it alone and the need to do that, would have been Lupin showing up at Grimmauld Place.

Matt: Yes.

Micah: You get more of a feeling watching the movie that, okay, this is why Harry feels that they need to go off and do this on their own. And I think that - a lot of people actually wrote in about that scene and they were upset that it wasn't in the film.

Matt: Right. Well, I was mainly upset they didn't include that because all you see of Lupin in this entire film is him screaming at Harry.

Eric: Well, that's important though too, because he does it twice. First is the time when he pulls Harry aside to make sure that he's the real Harry. And immediately following that, him and Kingsley face off. So, it's really - I think that scene heightened the stress level, which is what this writer is talking about, the sense of urgency. I think that that's really conveyed in Lupin's character. And then Lupin at the wedding scene is the one who - Harry wants to go find Ginny, and Lupin throws - [laughs] literally grabs him and throws him. Sure, it might be a little forceful than it is in the book, but just like he was the one to hold Harry back from the veil in Book 5 and Movie 5, he's the one who throws Harry into the trio so that they can Disapparate to safety. So...

Andrew: I loved that by the way. I thought that was great.

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: How he yells at Harry.

Eric: The muted scene. Yeah, so I just think it may take a further viewing or just a different way of looking at it - that Lupin really does show and push Harry into solitude just in a different way and...

Matt: Yeah. No, I completely agree with you, Eric. And to be honest, I'm kind of glad they didn't put the Lupin scene where he "slaps" Harry.

Eric: But what a great character moment for Lupin.

Matt: It's - but I don't like it! I don't like knowing that part of Lupin.

Eric: Yeah, me neither.

Matt: [laughs] I felt really uneasy when I read that in the book.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: But I do agree that - I think that that would have been a very important scene as far as urgency and just for Lupin and Tonks' announcement of the child. I mean, they don't even say it at all.

Eric: Well, they're about to.

Andrew: Well, there's a quick reference, yeah.

Matt: Well - I mean, yeah. "Wait until you hear the news. Yeah, you're supposed to know I'm pregnant."

[Eric laughs]

Muggle Mail: The Invisibility Cloak

Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Alex, 22, of Rhode Island. He or she writes:

"Hey there, love the show, smiley face. Wish I could say the same about the movie. Although I have several concerns with the adaptation of 'Part 1', my main concern is where the heck was the Invisibility Cloak?! In the book, they use the cloak just about everywhere they go because they are hiding. Now I realize that maybe it is hard to portray transparency, but come on now. The fact that Harry has had one of the Hallows in his possession is a huge part in tying the story together! What do you think?"

Matt: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh! Can I say something?

Andrew: Yes.

Matt: Okay. I didn't get this the first time I saw the movie. But the second, third and fourth time when I saw it, I did see - when they are at Xenophilius Lovegood's house, when he's discussing the Deathly Hallows and he talks about the Invisibility Cloak, there's an obvious huge lightbulb that goes on in Hermione's head when she goes, [gasps] "An Invisibility Cloak!" and she looks at Harry. Did you guys catch that?

Andrew: No.

Micah: No.

Eric: I don't think it was a lightbulb moment. She looks at him though. There seems to be some kind of - there seem to be the early threads of a dawning realization, but it seems then and it seems to me like it's going to play a part in Part 2. Obviously with - I mean, Harry has two of the Hallows in his possession at this point. The only one he doesn't have is the one that Voldemort has, very obviously, at the end of Part 1. So, there's bound to be a moment in Part 2. I'm kind of glad that they didn't realize it in Part 1. "Hey, we already have most of the stuff we need," because I feel like that's kind of, not a plot hole in the books, but it's convenient. And I don't want anything about Harry defeating the Dark Lord, this villain of the series, to be convenient, that he happens to have half of what he needs out of luck and not out of skill. So, I'm not saying they're going to change it in Part 2 but I'm glad that Part 1 is untouched by that feeling of, "Hey, we don't need to work for this," because Part 1, I don't think it would have worked because Part 1 is largely about desperation.

Matt: Were they under the Invisibility Cloak in Godric's Hollow...

Micah: No, they didn't use anything.

Matt: ...or did they have Polyjuice Potion?

Richard: They didn't use either.

Matt: Yeah. No, no, they didn't use anything in the movie.

Micah: In the book, they used the Invisibility Cloak.

Matt: I could have sworn they used...

Richard: Yeah, they used both, Polyjuice and the Invisibility Cloak.

Matt: They used the - see, that's - see, okay, because that's what I was wondering. Was that like a big "eff you" to J.K. Rowling?

Eric: No, no...

Matt: Because...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...because Bathilda - look, here's what I took it as. Because Bathilda still knows that they're Harry and Hermione because they're standing in front of James and Lily's grave. So, they're definitely under Polyjuice, I think, according to - the comments that I read on MuggleNet said that they were in Polyjuice in the books.

Matt: Yeah, they were under Polyjuice...

Eric: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: ...and in the film, Hermione says, "I still think we could use Polyjuice Potion," and then Harry says, "I don't want to come to my parents' graveyard as somebody else."

Eric: And that was a great line though in the film and...

Matt: Oh, I loved it! But I was, like, "Ooh, ouch!"

Eric: But I don't think it's an "eff you" to J.K.R. but the fact of the matter is Bathilda still knew who it was. And Bathilda and Harry could both be talking Parseltongue, and so it didn't make any sense for them to cast - to disguise them again. They are disguised quite a bit and they will be disguised once again as Bellatrix in Part 2, so I feel like the disguises were - yet another one would have been a little unnecessary.

Micah: Well, doesn't it also sense the presence of the Horcrux?

Eric: I'm sorry?

Micah: It senses the presence of the Horcrux. I mean, Nagini is a Horcrux and so is the locket around Harry's neck. You see that...

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: ...once they're in the actual house but it's also possible that that could be part of the reason of what drew Bathilda out to the graveyard.

Eric: Well, Harry is a Horcrux too.

Micah: Well, there you go as well.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: So double Horcruxes.

Micah: There were three in one spot!

Eric: Triple rainbow!

Muggle Mail: Cormac McLaggen on the Hogwarts Express

Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Casey, 26, again of the U.S.A. These people who just want to give us their countries, not their states. Whatever:

"I just listened to Episode 214 and I agree with Eric and Andrew. I thought the movie was great. I can't wait to see it again. Just thought I would point out an inaccuracy. You mentioned the short scene on the Hogwarts Express where Cormac McLaggen has a funny one-liner, and then I remembered that he was a year ahead of the trio and should be out of Hogwarts by now. It makes me wonder if other graduated students will be traipsing around the castle during the battle scene. Anyways, love the show. Thanks!"

Eric: [laughs] Actually, it's traipsing.

Richard: Traipsing.

Andrew: Traipsing.

Eric: Well, it could be either because it's misspelled. But...

Andrew: [laughs] Right.

Matt: "Trapeze-ing?"

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Well, I don't know. I mean...

[Matt laughs]

Andrew:'s a battle. There could be gymnasts.

Eric: Yeah, on that comment, there are graduated students in Hogwarts...

Andrew: Who show up at the battle.

Eric: ...during the final battle because they show up to show their loyalty to...

Andrew: Right.

Eric: ...Harry and the cause. So, yes, there are older students but the fact that Cormac is on the train is a book-to-movie error, or difference, I should say.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: Yes. Because he's in his seventh year in Half-Blood Prince, so that wouldn't make sense. But... [laughs]

Eric: But there are older students at Hogwarts.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, it was a funny comic relief sort of moment and it was totally unexpected. I'm not sure if we even knew he was cast for this film.

Eric: Again two seconds long, tops.

Muggle Mail: Lack of Good Content in the Movie

Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Josh, age Harrow - I think that's his last name - [laughs] from the United Kingdom:

"I completely agree with Micah and Richard. This movie had so many relevant parts missing. The characters were very underdeveloped in the previous movies, causing this movie to not have good enough content. I would rate this movie maybe 6 out of 10."

Matt: Owww! Wow! Whoa!

Eric: Yeah, look, let me take this moment to talk about pacing, okay? Things left out, "This movie doesn't have good content." I completely disagree that this movie cannot be rated or judged separately from either the past movies...

Matt: Exactly! Thank you, Eric.

Eric: ...or anything like that. And one of the reasons is especially again while seeing it again last night, while seeing it for the second time - or third time actually - I just noticed when they are in the woods, first of all there was no sense of urgency in the book when they are in the woods. Let's get that right out there, right out there. There was no urgency.

Micah: Well, you didn't - let's throw it out there. You didn't like the book and you actually like the film.

Eric: It's my favorite film.

Micah: But you hated the book. Well, "hate" might be a strong word, but you didn't like the book.

Eric: I didn't - yeah, I didn't like the book.

Micah: So, that's interesting.

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: It is interesting to me...

Matt: I love both.

Eric: ...but I think - okay, so when they are in the woods, with the movie there is always something going on. It might be subtle, it might be slow to some people. But I don't understand when people say the forest dragged because in the book it dragged but also in the film there is always something going on, either if it's a character analysis, either it's Ron slowly growing disenchanted, it's Harry finding out about the Snitch, it's Ron listening to the radio, it's Harry and Hermione dancing. There's always something going on until the moment they get snatched. And I think it just - it depends on how into the movie you are. You have to listen to everything, you have to see everything and just immerse yourself in the world. And if you do that the film doesn't seem long, it doesn't seem like a drag, it doesn't seem...

Matt: Right.

Eric: Although the comments we've got have said that people really did like the movie, but then they felt a disconnect growing after the wedding scene. I didn't feel that disconnect, so I was able to kind of coast through the rest of the film.

Matt: Well, when they say "disconnect," what do they mean? Because technically they are supposed to be disconnected.

Eric: Well, let's ask Micah and Richard, who felt that the forest scenes dragged and yet loved the beginning of the movie.

Micah: Well - I mean, I'll say what I said on the last episode and yeah, I know you said you have to be fair, and you have to look at this movie by itself and not really make it a larger part of the series. But I do think there are things that were left out previously that caused this particular part of the movie - maybe "drag" isn't the right word, but for me it kind of - it didn't move a little bit slow, but Matt made the point earlier which was a good point is that this is supposed to be months and months and months.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: When they go to Godric's Hollow, it's Christmas time. So, you've moved all the way from the wedding, which takes place in the summer, to Christmas, so I think that that is a good point. The time - you're supposed to feel the time that's ticking by here and maybe that's what I didn't look at on the last episode.

Andrew: See - well, I'll disagree with that, though, because of one thing David Yates said at, I think, the junket. He said that in the film they narrowed it down to a few days - of traveling for a few days whereas, of course, in the book as you noted it's months.

Eric: I think it's...

Andrew: So, I actually...

Matt: No, you're incorrect there, Andrew. He said they narrowed - you only see a few days in the film. You don't necessarily had only three days because Harry's hair doesn't grow that fast.

Eric: And it's still...

Matt: She gave him a hair cut.

Eric: Yeah, there is the hair-growing subplot and it is also Christmas Eve when they arrive at Godric's Hollow because they're singing carols and Hermione points that out. But I was confused when I read that junket report too, Andrew. But I think that what he means is - what Matt said was that you see a few days in the life as opposed to seeing weeks...

Andrew: Hmm, maybe.

Eric: ...and so they had to condense it like that.

Andrew: Yeah, I don't know. The way he was talking - they were trying to - okay, yeah, the haircut, fine. But it's never established that the wedding happens in the summertime. I mean, the only hint at that would be that Ginny is not in school.

Eric: And his birthday. Hermione says they were going to give him a cake after the wedding.

Micah: Right, which is in July.

Andrew: Right. I mean, but doesn't in England - I mean, doesn't it snow in August? So, I mean...

Micah: No. [laughs] What are you talking about?! You're trying to stretch this.

Andrew: And they were just guessing it was Christmas Eve. It wasn't actually - we didn't get confirmation on it. I - okay, at this point I'm just making stuff up.

Matt: [laughs] By the way, Harry, it's July. Oh, Hermione, isn't it December?

Andrew: Okay, but maybe you're right. Okay, so maybe David Yates, what he meant was they were just ñ they only showed a few days. Fine, that's fine. They had to. They couldn't show [laughs] thirty days.

Matt: No.

Andrew: Sixty days.

Matt: Then I would definitely agree that the pacing was very slow.

Muggle Mail: Episode 214 Praise

Andrew: Okay, next e-mail comes from Siona, 16, from Cherry Hill, New Jersey.

Eric: Is that near you, Andrew?

Andrew: That is near me.

"Dear MuggleCast, where has Richard been my/MuggleCast's whole life?! His debut on..."

Who put these e-mails in, by the way?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: They're all in favor of Micah and Richard.

"His debut on MuggleCast was amazing, except for those who disagreed with his opinions which were so funny. I think this episode deserves to be on the Wall of Fame. The combination of Eric's optimism and reasoning, Micah's and Richard's endless complaints, and Andrew's trying to be the middleman, so enjoyable! I think that's the first time I've ever listened to an episode twice in one day, or maybe I'm just insane. Anywho, thanks so much for coming out with a 'DH' episode so soon and so perfect! Lots of Lovegood, Siona."

I like how she said I tried to be the middleman, not that I accomplished this. [laughs]

Eric: I think she was just reading the show notes. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I think in the show notes it says, "Eric has optimism and reasoning. Micah and Richard have endless complaints. Andrew tries to be the middleman."

Andrew: [laughs] Well, thank you for that. So, I guess, Micah you put that in there just because you...

Micah: Well, the thing was a lot of the comments that we had in here beforehand were negative against - I was trying to balance things out, but I don't know where those comments went. Comment: Deathly Hallows: Part 1 Storyline

Andrew: We have one comment from that we wanted to put in because Eric thinks it brings up a good point. Eric, would you like to read it from pantera?

Eric: Sure, I'll read it. Okay:

"I definitely echo some of what has already been said."

Oh sorry, this is from pantera2012. She writes:

"I definitely echo some of what has already been said. During the podcast, I found myself on Eric's side much more than the side of Andrew, Micah and Richard."

There we go, some difference. She says:

"Number one..."

Actually, this is - no, she says, or they say:

"I believe the 'Deathly Hallows' storyline was explained in good enough detail that non-book readers could have understood what was going on. I mean, we saw the necklace Xenophilius was wearing, we saw the symbol on the gravestone in Godric's Hollow, we saw it in the copy of 'Life and Lies' that Hermione had, and we watched/heard a freakin' short story about the Hallows from 'Tales of Beedle the Bard', and Xenophilius went step-by-step and drew out the symbol by hand on a piece of paper. What else can you ask for? I saw the movie with my sister, who has not read the books, and on the way home I asked her why Voldemort stole the Elder Wand from Dumbledore. She said that it was because it was one of the Deathly Hallows. Like someone has already said, five-to-ten-year-old kids are not the only people who go to see these films."

So, I take it that her sister was a young kid who understood this. She says:

"Actually, 'DH Part 1' had moments that were 'heavy' enough that I think would make some parents question if they should let their seven year old see the movie. Scenes like Ron getting splinched, Bathilda/Nagini, definitely Hermione's torture scene, that was pretty darn terrifying, etc."

So, that was interesting. She said her young kid knew that...

Andrew: Daughter. Or sister.

Eric: Her sister knew that Voldemort wanted the Elder Wand, so...

Andrew: Yeah, I think they made it clear.

Matt: Oh yeah, that was completely obvious.

Andrew: I mean - and then the big cliffhanger. Voldemort gets the Elder Wand, and you see him hold it and he's smiling. And it's a - I think it's a pretty powerful moment.

Micah: Yeah, I think that the parts with say, Gregorovitch and then with Grindelwald, will probably be explained in Part 2 because they kind of left that open-ended.

Andrew: They did and they go by in a flash. And there's just a lot of loud banging noises because you're sort of supposed to get the impression that it's taking place in Harry's head. I mean, people who have read the books know that, but I don't know if it's as clear if you haven't read the books. I don't know if you know what's happening in Harry's head. It's kind of established, but it goes by so quick.

Eric: Well, it's happening in the real world.

Andrew: I know that, but...

Matt: It's all through...

Andrew: But...

Matt: ...his vision.

Andrew: Right, it's still Harry seeing this in his head...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: ...because...

Eric: Because he's a Horcrux.

Andrew: ...he's a part of Voldemort, right.

Matt: I do think though that - I don't know who said this in the last episode, but I do think that this was all just a tease and that it will be explained further when they talk about The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore in Part 2 because they will - I mean, they will talk about it.

Andrew: Let's hope so.

Matt: And regardless if it's at Hogsmeade with Aberforth or just a conversation at Shell Cottage or some point, it will be discussed.

Andrew: Well, because - Micah, didn't we report a while ago that Dumbledore's family was cast?

Micah: No, I think it's the opposite. I don't think they were cast.

Andrew: And we were wondering why they weren't. Oh, okay. So...

Micah: Yeah, we were wondering why they hadn't been cast. And I guess with that scene that they had at the wedding with Aunt Muriel and Elphias Doge, they were just trying to put it in place right there, where they mentioned his father, they mentioned his brother and what happened to - what's her name? Ariana, right?

Andrew and

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And actually, somebody pointed out that if you look closely at Dumbledore's file in the Ministry...

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Harry is flipping through in Umbridge's office, it lists his mother and his siblings' names.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Matt: Mhm. Yeah.

Micah: So, I didn't see that, but I guess that was another kind of tip towards the fans to include that information.

Eric: Yeah, it says his father's name is Percival. Comment: Episode 214 Was Too Negative

Micah: All right. I also have one more comment that came in from Professor Lily on the comments. She said - I'm assuming it's a she:

"I have been listening to MuggleCast since Episode 1, reading the books since 1999, and watching the movies since 2001. I was really looking forward to your review episode because they have usually been excellent, pointing out hits and misses in the films in a good and appropriate way. So, I was really shocked at the level of negativity in this episode. In a way far different from the reactions of three out of the four of you, this is the first time I have ever left a 'Harry Potter' film and said, 'Wow. This one they got right.'

Micah, you have always been one of my favorites, but I think you just missed this one. I don't think you've ever forgiven the filmmakers for cutting out "The Other Minister," which was a delightful scene of exposition in the book but would never have worked as well on film. And Richard - sorry, mate. While I actually agree with your comment about Bill Nighy, I thought the tone of your critique was unnecessarily mean-spirited and harsh. I thought the acting of the trio - all of them - was spot on. The extended period in the forest gave all three actors a time to shine and to show the transition that Harry, Ron and Hermione have made from teenagers to the young adults their scary world has forced them to become. Your comments about Dan Radcliffe were not only off base, they were gratuitously cruel. Yes, I have my quibbles: why no memorial to the Potters in Godric's Hollow, either in the square or at the house, for example. So easy to do and so touching. But that's what they are: quibbles.

The tone of loneliness and bleakness of the camping scenes was perfect. The constant reading of the list of the missing gave a haunting view of the threat in the world outside. The stopping of the train showed the intense hunt for Harry, and Neville's sullen, defiant response, far from being weak, gave a foreshadowing of the resistance leader he will become.

I'm really struck by the dichotomy between your reactions and the reactions of the overwhelming majority of the fandom who absolutely loved this film and called it the film they have been waiting for. I wonder where that is coming from? As for Micah's consistently expressed concern that non-fans would not get this movie, I'm sure they don't get the nuance we do. But every 'Harry Potter' virgin I know - movie viewers, not book readers - got it. I'm sorry to say that in this review episode, I don't think three of you did."

Andrew: Richard, do you have any sort of rebuttal without tearing apart this lovely listener?

Richard: I actually saw this comment and I put it in earlier. [laughs] I thought it was a really well thought out reply to some of my comments from last week's episode. Okay, if you look back over the series, you could probably argue that the trio's acting was a bit rough. They're all kids, after all. They're all young. I don't think you really expect otherwise and they did a fantastic job given the experience that they actually have. But where I think Emma and Rupert have both matured as actors and embrace the developments and changes in their characters, I'm not convinced Daniel Radcliffe has, at least not to the same extent as the others. I think his acting is a little bit wooden, a bit dry. I mean, not all the time but at times and especially at those moments when he really has to convey emotion. I think that's when he struggles. I mean, don't get me wrong, [laughs] I don't dislike the guy and I think there are some parts when he is very good. In Half-Blood Prince, for example, when he had taken the Felix Felicis potion, I thought that was some of his best acting of the entire series. But I mean, going back to Deathly Hallows there was that scene when he was dancing with Hermione and I was just - oh, I was just cringing so much! It was awkward and it was clumsy. But hey, then again perhaps that was intended.

Andrew: Well, but if you - that tent scene when they're dancing - I mean, the beauty of it is that Dan and Harry Potter are not good dancers. And it's funny, Dan Radcliffe actually said that that was the coolest Harry Potter has ever been. [laughs] That moment - because of that song, which by the way is called "O Children" by...

Andrew and

Eric: Nick Cave.

Andrew: We...

Eric: [laughs] There's a MuggleNet post specifically about it.

Andrew: Right, we made a post about it because I figured a lot of people were wondering what song that was.

Eric: It has a good backstory to it too, but - so I think it's interesting because Richard did say that he felt Emma Watson carried the trio. And I think the fact that he points out the dancing scene as being an example of his disagreement with Dan - I don't think it's the best scene to point out to express yourself because it is this happy joyous moment where he's not really supposed to be acting as supposed to feeling. Harry is feeling in that moment and that's what that scene is about. But I think it just signals a larger disconnect between you and Dan which is what you're saying there is, that you just don't feel that he hits the character and that you can't see him as Harry Potter, and I understand that.

Andrew: You know what? I think another reason some people may have been bothered by Richard's comments is that it was his first episode, and he just steps in and [laughs] just starts crapping all over the movie.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So, they haven't gotten to know you, but in due time.

Micah: Can I just respond to two things that are in here...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: ...when she was addressing me? I think that "The Other Minister" scene would have worked in Half-Blood Prince, I'm just throwing that out there. She says she doesn't think that it would. I do think it would have, but - and the second thing, obviously she mentioned the casual moviegoer, which I already addressed so I'm not going to address that again. But I do think "The Other Minister" scene would probably have been a really good scene to include in Half-Blood Prince, but obviously we can't go back and make that change.

Matt: Right. I mean, it's really easy to go back into other films and say what would have worked, what would have made this movie a lot better if they added that. But I mean, it's always a futile argument especially at this point since it is the last film, so we can only hope that they actually get it. I really don't care if it doesn't make any sense because they didn't put it in the other movies because damn it, I read that book! I want to see it in this movie!

[Eric laughs]

Matt: Regardless if they introduced the two-way mirror in Order of the Phoenix or not. They put it in this movie. Thank God they did because it would have been an atrocious film if they didn't have it at all and then try to make some two-bit excuse on how Aberforth sent Dobby or something. It's just...

Eric: Well, then they didn't explain it.

Matt: Regardless if it makes sense.

Eric: They didn't explain it, though.

Matt: Huh?

Andrew: But, but...

Matt: No, they didn't explain it, but there's no point in us doing it now.

Andrew: No, they will.

Eric: Yeah, there's no point in us...

Andrew: I think they will explain it in Part 2. They have to.

Matt: What, about the two-way mirror? Yeah, they probably could, but the fact is is that they actually have it and thank God...

Micah: Well, they do explain it. Aberforth explains it in the Hog's Head when they get there.

Matt: No, but I'm talking about in Part 1.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: About where he got it from?

Matt: About how an audience member doesn't know why does Harry have a mirror with Dumbledore's face in it?

Eric: Even those who have seen the films and not read the books wouldn't know, specifically.

Matt: Well, yeah. But also - I mean, people who haven't read the books going into these movies know that they're not going to get some of this stuff because they haven't read the books.

Micah: Well, exactly.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: It's like saying, "Who is this person in a prison that Voldemort is talking to, that's laughing in his face?"

Matt: Right. "Well, if I had read the books, I probably would know."

Micah: Right.

Matt: And shame on them for not reading the books in the first place.

Listener Tweets: Favorite Scene from Deathly Hallows: Part 1

Andrew: To wrap up the show today, we asked people who follow us on Twitter,, what your favorite scene is. We got lots of responses. This first one from Jessica, she says:

"My favorite scene was when they opened the locket."

Nicky Smith wrote:

"The dancing scene with Harry and Hermione. It was so intimate and showed what a great friendship the two have. I loved it."

So, that's why I liked it. It was a great friendship.

Matt: Yeah, me too.

Andrew: [singing] "Oh, children!" [normal voice] I like that song, too. I listen...

Micah: [laughs] That's exactly what it sounds like.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: [singing] Oh, children!

Matt: Yeah, geez, uncanny.

Andrew: That is how it sounds.

Micah: Yep, you're right.

Andrew: Because there's a little...

Matt: I'm getting goosebumps.

Andrew: ...gospel choir sort of chorus singing going on. It was really nice. Hope Burke wrote:

"My favorite scene in 'Deathly Hallows' was probably the Three Brothers scene, but I loved it all. Favorite movie so far."

M. Joy wrote:

"Favorite scene is at Malfoy Manor when Voldy and his followers are seated around the long table, especially Voldy snapping Lucius' wand."

Which I agree with. That was awesome. Ryan Duffy writes:

"The Harry and Hermione dance scene. Believe it or not, that's the only scene in any 'Harry Potter' movie that ever made me cry."

Did it make anyone else cry?

Matt: No, I didn't cry for that.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Oh, from pain?

Richard: Not from joy. Yeah, from pain and anguish. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Wait, he cried when they danced, but they didn't cry for Hedwig...

[Richard laughs]

Matt: ...or Dobby's death? What kind of a person is this?

[Eric and Richard laugh]

Andrew: It was the song. It was a moving song.

Eric: Meet the new host of MuggleCast, Matt. It's Richard Reed! [laughs]

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: From Scotland!

Andrew: Jenny writes:

"My favorite scene is the Hedwig death scene. It was so much sadder than it was in the books. I cried."

John Finnegan writes:

"My favorite scene was definitely the Seven Potters escape. Hedwig's death was much more noble than the book, the only good change!"

And we got lots of others. Thanks to everyone who @ replied us. We do enjoy reading them all.

Matt: Not one of you mentioned my favorite scene.

Andrew: Which is what?

Matt: It's Hermione's monologue in Forest of Dean.

Andrew: When Ron returns?

Matt: How is that not everyone's - no, when she's sitting with the book in her hand and talking about how she and Harry should grow old together.

Andrew: Awww.

Eric: Yeah, that was interesting.

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Andrew: So, that's it for Part Two of our Part 1 review! Of course, we covered a lot of stuff. We'd love to get your feedback on this episode as well, so please do visit, click on "Contact" at the top, and you'll see a handy feedback form where you can write in to us. Also, on, you'll find links to our Twitter, our Facebook, our iTunes page, and a whole lot more.

Micah: Oh, but speaking of stuff related to the podcast, we are looking for some more transcribers, probably about twenty more people who are interested in transcribing MuggleCast. And what I'll do is I'll make a post on of where you can send your application. But yeah, we're looking for some more people and obviously we don't say this enough. We do have a great group of people that put together these transcripts for every single show. I think we're up to 209 now, so we're pretty up-to-date with the shows that have been released. But they do a tremendous job over there and it is kind of a thankless position, so we really do appreciate it.

Matt: Yeah, you are right.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Thank you, guys. And one final plug: Eric, on Tuesday night he appeared on an internet radio show called AfterBuzz TV and you can find it now. He did a little review of the movie with the guys at AfterBuzz TV and you can find a link to his interview on the MuggleCast Twitter account, which is Or just search for AfterBuzz TV in iTunes.

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Eric: Yeah, they're on iTunes. Really interesting people, they knew a lot about Potter and they were talking - obviously, they do recaps in and out of commercial breaks and things like that for television shows, and this was their first foray into movie discussion. But they're awesome people. The host in particular was just really good at managing the other co-hosts. I think it's...

Andrew: Was he better or worse than me?

Eric: I didn't want to say.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Listen and form your own conclusions, Andrew. [laughs]

Andrew: All right, fair enough.

Eric: He's British, so I think everything...

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: tipped in his favor.

Andrew: He's automatically better.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Thanks everyone for listening! It's been a lot of fun. I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: I'm Matt Britton.

Richard: And I'm Richard Reed.

Andrew: And we'll see you next time for Episode 216! Buh-bye!

Matt: See ya!

Eric: Bye Richard!

Richard: Bye!

Andrew: [laughs] Bye Richard.

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Eric: Narcissa, Narcissa. Error-free episode. He says that about Narcissa.

Matt: Oh, well, he's talking to Bellatrix in the movie.

Eric: Yeah. But about Narcissa.

Matt: Well, she said, "You could have killed me." Bellatrix...

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, Bellatrix says, "You could have killed me."

Matt: Yeah, so he's talking...

Eric: Oh, my bad. Oh, error free. Cut me out.

Micah: How many times do you need to see it, Eric?

Eric: Jesus. All right.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: All right, fine. Go on, Matt.

Matt: Okay.

Written by: The Transcribers