MuggleCast 222 Transcript
["Hedwig's Theme" plays]
Micah: Because there is nothing we still don't analyze, this is MuggleCast Episode 222 for March 6th, 2011.
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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 222! "Two-two-two-two-two-two-two" as I closed the show with last week. Micah, Eric, and I are here to bring you Harry Potter. We put Harry Potter in your ears and also include a little additive, so you come back next time, so you get addicted and you want more.
Eric: The additive is sprinkled on.
Eric: Sprinkled on top.
Andrew: And sexually.
Eric: [laughs] Andrew, we have to cook together. This is... [laughs]
Eric: It's going to be like - we could do, like, a cooking show.
Eric: You can sprinkle things seductively and I'll, I don't know, provide entertainment.
Micah: This show is going in the wrong direction to start off.
[Micah and Eric laugh]
Andrew: We'll use the recipes found in MuggleNet.com's cooking section - Madam Rosmerta's.
Eric: Hell yeah.
Micah: Keith Hawk.
Eric: Heck yes.
Andrew: Yes, [laughs] our lead chef.
Andrew: I just pictured Keith in an apron and funny visual. So, [laughs] we have lots of news to talk about today and we're going to bring back some fun segments, people have missed these. We're going to do the Dueling Club and Make the Music Connection this week, and we're also going to remove a chapter from Chapter-by-Chapter because when we do three chapters we just run out of time for other things. So, we're doing two chapters this week, two fun segments, news, e-mails, "two-two-two-two-two"s for Episode 222.
Andrew: But Micah, you do not have just two news items for us, you have many more, so tell us what's in the news this week. Give it to me!
Micah: [laughs] We don't say our names anymore?
Andrew: Oh. [laughs] I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: [laughs] I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Andrew: Give it to me!
Micah: All right.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
News: Warner Bros. Studio Tour London – The Making of Harry Potter
Micah: First news story, Warner Bros. Studio Tour London finally announced The Making of Harry Potter will open in the spring of 2012. We talked about this, it's been rumored, but now Warner Bros. finally puts out a press release on this and as expected - I think the initial report was Easter 2012. Wasn't it something like that? So, now spring...
Micah: Spring 2012.
Andrew: Spring, I think.
Micah: So, right around the same time. And they put out some concept art to give people an idea of what this is actually going to look like, and it seems like it's pretty cool. It's going to do a lot, I think, for that particular economy there. A lot of people are going to go with the intent now to get up to Leavesden Studios to see this Making of Harry Potter and it seems pretty exciting. What do you guys think?
Andrew: Yeah. The opportunity here is tremendous. Eight films, of course, have been filmed at Leavesden Studios. All eight Harry Potter films have been shot at Leavesden Studios and now the fans are actually going to go to Leavesden Studios. By the way, this is a three-hour tour, they announced.
Eric: [singing] "A three-hour tour."
Andrew: I mean, that's - you're going to get your money's worth for this thing. I mean, three hours, I imagine they're going to take you - they're going to give you lots of time in the actual sets, Great Hall, Dumbledore's office, Gryffindor common room. What are some other ones they listed?
Micah: Well, what haven't they torn down [laughs] is the question. You said from...
Micah: ...your reports that a lot of times these sets, which take an unbelievable amount of time to put together, are destroyed [laughs] in a matter of minutes.
Andrew: Right. They call it "striking" in the industry because they have to make room for the other sets to continue filming. I bet they're going to continue - I bet they're going to rebuild a few of the sets because they keep all the props and stuff, so I think they're going to rebuild some sets that they have a lot of props for and this is all going to be housed - they're actually moving the Great Hall which is tremendous. [laughs] They're going to pick up the Great Hall and move it to this new building - it's still on the Leavesden Studios property. But anyway - I mean, this is going to be fantastic and I think every Harry Potter fan is going to be dying to go to this...
Andrew: ...to actually be on the sets.
Micah: And how far is it from London?
Andrew: It's about a forty-five-minute bus ride, I would say, to an hour.
Eric: From the center of London, or from the airport?
Andrew: From the center of London, yeah. And - I mean, it's going to be well worth it. I imagine they're going to have hotel deals...
Micah: Oh, of course.
Andrew: ...so you could probably stay the night next door to Leavesden.
Micah: But the interesting thing that they do say is you have to book in advance, you have to go get your tickets online, which I thought was kind of interesting. You can't just go up the day of and request tickets.
Andrew: Well, the reason makes sense so that they can space out the amount of people visiting every day and make sure the groups are the right size. And plus - I mean, you're going to be planning ahead for this trip anyway. It's not like it's in London, so you visit London and then you're, like, "Oh, I guess I'm going to go." It's not like a pub, you're not going to just show up. You do have to plan some stuff because you need to take the drive up there.
Micah: So, it's like an afternoon type of deal, probably.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, so three hour - yeah, so I would say the whole thing, the whole process would take you five or six hours.
Micah: Since you've been there many times, Andrew, how big is Leavesden Studios? We've talked about...
Andrew: It's huge.
Andrew: It's - yeah.
Micah: Golf carts, right?
Andrew: I mean, it used to be an airport hangar.
Micah: People need golf carts to get around.
Andrew: Yeah, I remember David Heyman, all the crew, they all have their own bikes so they can bike around the set to get around faster. If they are not taking a golf cart and they're not walking, they'll take their bike. So, really, [laughs] this is going to be so amazing, I cannot wait for all the fans to experience this. So, we'll have a link up on MuggleNet when tickets do become available, which should be later this year.
Eric: Yeah, this news post says that it's 200 acres upon which they're building the new Warner Bros. Studios Leavesden, so that's a lot of space.
News: Warner Bros. Allegedly Rents Theater Where 'How To Succeed' Will Be Performing
Micah: Yes, it is. Speaking of Warner Bros., the New York Post reported earlier this week that Warner Bros. made a deal with the Hirschfeld Theatre where Daniel Radcliffe is going to be starring in How To Succeed in Business Without Really Trying, which would allow Dan to take time off to promote Deathly Hallows: Part 2. And the report stated there would be five dark days, meaning no performances, but now the official How To Succeed Twitter account - there's a Twitter account for that already? - has revealed that just three previously-scheduled performances will go dark. So - when I saw this story, though, I was kind of surprised that Warner Bros. would even have to do this because I'm assuming there is something in his contract that states that he has to be made available for a certain period of time for Deathly Hallows promotion.
Andrew: Yeah, you would have thought they worked this out beforehand, but - he needs to be there for the final film to be promoting and so he's only going to be missing three days of performances, plus they take off every Monday so he could be doing promotional stuff then. I'm kind of surprised by that, I thought he would need at least a full week - I mean, because there's going to be promotions all over the world, and they usually do something in Tokyo and Dan has appeared at that in the past. Of course, there's going to be something in the United States, there's going to be something in London. So...
Micah: Well, if it's in New York - I mean, that's a little bit easier for him to manage, I think, because that's where he is right now.
Andrew: Yeah, true.
Andrew: Plus the press junket. I mean, it's a lot.
Micah: It's going to be a lot because, let's face it, they are going to really, really blow this thing out here because it's the last film. But kind of surprising that...
Andrew: A little "inside baseball" information...
News: Deathly Hallows: Part 2 World Premiere
Micah: Yeah, exactly. But speaking of making a big deal about the final film, Warner Bros...
Micah: These transitions are unbelievable with these first three stories! Warner Bros. is...
Micah: They've been having a busy week or two weeks here. They have announced that the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 world premiere is going to be July 7th, it's going to take place in both Trafalgar and Leicester Square in London, and it's going to be "the most spectacular one yet."
Micah: But they don't really tell you what's going to be [laughs] so spectacular about it.
Micah: A little tease!
Andrew: There's going to be rain like never before!
Micah: Yeah, that too.
Andrew: I think the most interesting...
Micah: But what could they possibly do?
Andrew: ...part about this is that they announced it so early. I mean, we have never heard about a premiere this early.
Eric: Yeah, you were going on about that before. Why do you think it is that they did that?
Andrew: I guess they want a lot of pre-premiere hype. Yeah, I don't know what else it could be, and I doubt we are going to hear many details until, like, a month beforehand. So, for the next couple of months we're all going to be wondering, like, "Okay, so what's going to be so spectacular?" [laughs]
Eric: But - so they actually said that, "most spectacular yet"?
Andrew: Actually, I have to say something here about these premieres. They are exciting but dear listeners, do not be fooled by these promises. I hate to say it, I think most people who go to these premieres are let down. Most recently the New York City premiere, none of the stars even went and met with the fans who were waiting in line all day with the exception being Tom Felton. Apparently they couldn't shut the street down so they didn't want to put the actors out on the street. And I'm sure the fans will be meeting people in London, but there is going to be a ton of people there, so unless you want to see the stars, don't get really excited.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: Sorry. [laughs] If you're satisfied with just going and catching a glimpse of the stars, cool. But I wouldn't raise the bar any higher because you'll be disappointed.
Micah: Yeah. This has been Andrew's premiere disclaimer, basically what you just did. [laughs]
Andrew: I just don't want people to get their hopes up.
Micah: No, you're right. I remember for Deathly Hallows: Part 1 you and I were in New York, and it was really - from what the response was that we got, a lot of people e-mailed in saying that they were really disappointed with how the premiere was handled, the way that it was set up, the fans were across a street that wasn't even blocked off. And that was the biggest problem, that's primarily why I think you didn't have those actors and actresses going out to greet the fans was because the way that it was set up, they could get hit by a car.
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Micah: Tom Felton was the only one who was willing to risk his life.
Eric: They could all get arrested for jaywalking.
Andrew: And the red carpet was covered under a tent, so the fans couldn't even see the stars getting interviewed like usual. So, I just want the fans to know don't - if you're in the United States and you're thinking about going to London for this, I would think against it. It's not - I just don't want people to be disappointed. I care.
Andrew: This is actually just my secret plan to make sure nobody attends the premiere so I can have the stars to myself without waiting in line.
Andrew: Nobody go! Nobody go! [laughs]
Eric: Cat's out of the bag now, Andrew.
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News: Deathly Hallows: Part 1 at the Academy Awards
Micah: Well, Deathly Hallows: Part 1 did not win at the Oscars over the weekend. The two categories that they were nominated in, I believe, Art Direction as well as Special Effects. They lost in one category to Alice in Wonderland, I believe that was in the Art Direction category, and then to Inception in Special Effects, which I don't think there's really any surprise there. But now the Harry Potter series has been nominated - five of the seven movies have been nominated multiple times for each, I believe, and they have walked away with nothing. So, again it starts to stir the pot a little bit, we've had this discussion before on the show. I know there's something else that you guys want to talk about with respect to what happened during the Oscars. But just really quickly, what are you guys' thoughts on them not winning yet again?
Andrew: Well, it's disappointing but there's other great films. I mean, who did they lose to? I think Inception was one of them.
Micah: Yeah. Well, I just said I think they lost...
Micah: ...in Art Direction to Alice in Wonderland.
Andrew: Oh, right.
Micah: They lost - Special Effects was to Inception, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. I mean, and these other films are ground-breaking as well, so...
Eric: And I've said it before, the Harry Potter films - maybe I haven't said it before, the Harry Potter films are too blue. They are just too blue, they are too dark. The Half-Blood Prince DVD, I can't even watch, it's too visually dark. Not thematically or anything like that, but there's no color on the screen. So, I personally - really if it's compared to the costumes which Alice in Wonderland won for, it's zero comparison because there is far more color. I think the awards that Harry Potter has been nominated for were not the best awards to showcase the best parts of those films.
Micah: Right. Well, and it stayed away primarily from the acting. I mean, you've really seen no actors or actresses nominated for their roles, which - is that the point you're trying to make?
Eric: Well, there's that because especially with Deathly Hallows, we all felt that the acting was just taken up so many notches.
Andrew: And the other part of the story from the Academy Awards is that Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 got auto-tuned!
Andrew: And it was so funny. Here, let's play...
Eric: No, please don't.
Andrew: No, let's play.
Andrew: Here we go.
Micah: I missed this.
Eric: ...please don't.
Micah: I missed this.
Eric: Please don't.
[Audio clip plays]
Andrew: [imitating audio clip] "You're my tiny ball of light."
Micah: That was really disturbing.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Micah: I didn't - I missed that part of the show but - wow.
Eric: You have to see the video. You have to see the video with...
Micah: I don't want to see the video.
Eric: Yeah, I don't either. But I did.
Andrew: The segment also went into clips from Toy Story, The Social Network, and Eclipse.
Andrew: I mean, it was a surprise, I'll give it that. [laughs] Nobody knew it was coming. It was nice to see Harry Potter get a little attention at the Oscars, even if it wasn't the most brilliant spoof.
Eric: But they shared it with Twilight. They shared all the space with Twilight, that's like such an insult.
Andrew: Micah, what else is going on in the news?
Micah: I just want to bring up one more thing from the Oscars. When they were doing the award for "Special Effects," what they showed from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 [laughs] versus what they showed from the other movies I thought was really weak. I don't know who chooses what gets shown, but for example, they showed Nagini and how that all took effect with him slithering down the table. Why wouldn't you showcase the Seven Potters? Isn't that kind of the piece that you would look to promote if you were looking for an award like that?
Andrew: Mhm. That's true.
Eric: Yeah. I mean, it wasn't even, like, a real snake because I saw that, too, where they gradually show reality, and then with green screens and all that into the computer effects.
Eric: And they showed the snake slithering down the table, and the only thing that was edited was they made the image darker and more blue. [laughs]
News: Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince Ultimate Editions
Micah: Yeah, it didn't really represent, I think, the amount of effort that went into special effects in the film. I thought they could have chosen a better scene. But anyway, final bit of news here - and it actually came out now about a week and a half ago - that the features have been announced for the Order of the Phoenix and the Half-Blood Prince Ultimate Edition DVDs, and they're going to be released on June 14th, just in time - or a little bit before the release of Part 2. And I kind of looked these over, nothing really jumps out at me. Not to be a downer on these...
Micah: But no, nothing really jumps out. Nothing says to me, "I want to go out and buy this."
Andrew: Well, the one cool thing on both of these is the new documentary. As we've talked about before, on each of these Ultimate Editions is one new piece of an eight-part documentary. And on the Order of the Phoenix one, there is something called "Evolution" - it's an hour long, by the way - and on the Half-Blood Prince edition there is the "Magical Effects". So, I guess "Evolution" is going to deal with the actors growing, maybe? I'm not sure.
Andrew: Or just, like, the Harry Potter franchise growing.
Eric: Yeah, we thought that this would be the case, where they showed - because I mean, in each of these documentaries they show clips from all eight films, right? I mean, typically working on the first one being the score and stuff was easiest to show first because a lot of the scoring happened earlier in the series and now they're not reusing those themes but taking off. So, I feel like these documentaries - and I haven't seen them for the other extended editions. I want to, but I feel like they're the only bit of effort, the only scrap of effort that actually goes into these extended editions. And I feel so horrible about these extended editions, I have zero interest in ever purchasing them. I think they're a waste of discs.
Micah: Yeah. And part of...
Eric: There's too many and the features are just nil.
Micah: I agree with you, and part of the reason why I think that is is because so much of this stuff has already been released. Like, if you look for example on Half-Blood Prince, you have J.K. Rowling: A Year in the Life. People have already seen that. The Wizarding World of Harry Potter sneak peek, people have already seen that. And then even some of these things that I'm reading right now, it looks very similar to stuff that have been on past DVDs, like the Half-Blood Prince DVD I think had those Q&As, sort of those quick questions that the actors and actresses were being asked. So, it seems like a lot of this stuff is re-purposed. It doesn't seem like there's anything new or exciting about them.
Andrew: All right.
News: J.K. Rowling Tweets
Micah: Well, guys, I just wanted to let you know one thing real quick. This is the real me, but you won't be hearing from me often, I'm afraid, as pen and paper are still my priority at the moment.
Eric: Pen and paper?
Andrew: Ha ha ha!
Eric: What are you writing? What are you writing, Micah? Is it poetry?
Micah: I'm writing a book, yeah. No, not poetry.
Micah: No, I actually thought of writing a little book, see if I can make the New York Times Best-Seller List.
Eric: Ooh, like your cohorts. Like Ben and Emerson, right?
Micah: Yes. Yeah, I figured why not. They can do it, I can do it.
Eric: [laughs] Good for you.
Eric: Good luck with that.
Micah: But honestly, I mean, what the [censored] guys. Are you [censored] kidding me?
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Micah: [laughs] This is [censored]. How many times...
Micah: ...are you going to repeat the same tweet over and over again?
Eric: Apparently four times, Micah. That seems to be about right. Four times, yes? Four times.
Micah: Yeah. Well, that's about right.
Eric: Four times J.K. Rowling has said, "Pen and paper are my priority."
Micah: And they're about six months apart.
Eric: And she did it - so she did it again, that's where all this is coming from, right?
Micah: So, August...
Andrew: But surely there is a message within these tweets?
Eric: Yeah, yeah, there is actually. I - [laughs] - so guys, during the past week, since our last episode of MuggleCast, I went and I pulled - I put some of J.K. Rowling's tweets, this "pen and paper are my priority" into an anagram database. And it turns out the phrase, "pen and paper are still my priority" turns out to be an anagram, "Impartially perspire on pedantry". Pedantry is the art of inappropriate learning, I believe, a devotion to learning that is [laughs] beyond reason.
Eric: So, I...
Andrew: So, repeat that again.
Andrew: What's the anagram? "Impartially..."
Eric: "Impartially perspire on pedantry." So, J.K. Rowling - maybe the idea - maybe the reason she's been tweeting the same thing four times is because we're supposed to get a clue.
Eric: Maybe we're - maybe there's more to these tweets...
Micah: That she's...
Eric: ...than we think.
Micah: ...sweating on learning?
Andrew: Well, let's hire a research team who can pick apart every word possible in that anagram...
Andrew: ...and - surely there's a message there.
Eric: What I found to be interesting is that this most recent tweet she capitalized - all caps - "still" and she added that word, "still my priority". So, that's why I think that this anagram is superior.
Andrew: I think poor Jo just doesn't know what Twitter is about.
Andrew: I mean, it doesn't - the whole purpose of Twitter is that it doesn't take long to tweet. So, she could just be, like, "Hey guys, happy to have been at the -" what was she at? The BAFTAs. "Hey, I really touched by -" stuff like that, just...
Micah: Well, there's no reason - the thing is, everybody who follows her and is interested in what she's doing, they already know about what she said at the BAFTAs. So, it was kind of weird that she basically just tweeted and said nothing of any relevance whatsoever. Why even put that out there? So, like I was saying before, based on her time in between tweets she will tweet again sometime around August, early September.
Eric: Well, when she does...
Andrew: By the way, we put a poll on MuggleNet asking, "How many more times will J.K.R. tweet the same message before tweeting something new?" 23% said this is the last time, 41% said 1 to 3 more times, 11% said 4 to 6 more times, and 23% said 7 or more times.
Eric: God. Well, she's only on...
Andrew: We may be in this for a while.
Eric: She's only on tweet six, so that's why I suggested on the news post on MuggleNet, is tweet number seven going to be the tweet where she announces everything she's been doing lately...
Eric: ...in 140 characters or less and completely blows us out of the water? Lucky number seven! Isn't seven...
Eric: ...the most magically powerful number, Andrew?
Andrew: I think for Micah's sake, the seventh tweet should definitely be a big one because Micah is very frustrated as we heard when he intro'd this item.
Micah: Look, here's the thing, if you're going to have a Twitter account - I understand you initially created it because people were pretending to be you. But let's put something relevant up there, let's stop doing this to the fans. I know you listen to the show, so I'm asking you on my behalf, for my sanity, for your fans' sanity, stop tweeting...
Andrew: [laughs] Their sanity?
Micah: Yeah, for their sanity because...
Andrew: Wow! So, are you insane right now? Will you not...
Micah: Yeah, I'm insane.
Andrew: ...become sane until...
Andrew: ...she tweets something worthwhile?
Micah: Absolutely. She drives me crazy, Andrew.
Andrew: I think our newsman needs to be committed.
Eric: I think...
Micah: Yeah. Well, [laughs] you knew that a long time ago.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: Okay. Well, that's...
Micah: All right, let's get off this before I go off on another rant here.
Announcement: LeakyCon 2011
Andrew: So, that's it for news this week. We want to remind everybody before we move into our Dueling Club segment that we will be at LeakyCon 2011. Just visit LeakyCon.com to get details. We will be doing a couple of podcasts there, and it's going to be so much fun. There's going to be a dance, there's going to be a private party in The Wizarding World of Harry Potter theme park. All of the biggest Harry Potter fans, together, are going to be going to see the movie, Part 2, midnight release, at LeakyCon. It's just going to be fantastic. You've heard us talk about it before. When you go to LeakyCon.com, you'll want to check out all the details. They still have many more to announce, too, that's the most exciting thing. And when you go to register just use referral code "Muggle" and that way, we will get a better tally of how many MuggleCast fans will be there. And we can't wait, really. I mean, this is going to be...
Micah: Are we doing a podcast?
Andrew: Yeah, that's what I said.
Andrew: I think the exciting thing about doing a podcast there...
Micah: I thought we were just going on vacation.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Eric: Oh, we're working, too? Darn.
Andrew: The most exciting thing about doing a podcast there is that it's going to be our Part 2 review podcast, and everybody remembers how heated [laughs] our Part 1 review podcast was.
Micah: [laughs] We'll have to Skype-in Richard.
Andrew: Yeah, so to have it - so to do it in front of an audience will be very exciting because we'll be able to get feedback from people. People will not have to e-mail us their frustration with our review, [laughs] they'll just be able to yell at us, right?
Micah: Well, it'll only be yelling at me because I was the only one, I think, out of the two of you that really gave it a negative review.
Andrew: That's true. So, again, visit LeakyCon.com. It's going to be July 13th to the 17th in Orlando, Florida, right on the resort where The Wizarding World of Harry Potter is, and...
Eric: Andrew, I got a bone to pick with you. So, even the Leaky newsletter said that we're going to be at Leaky, but details are forthcoming, details are still in planning phase. How long are they going to still be in planning phases? I want to know when the Leaky...
Andrew: Well, we just haven't...
Eric: ...Mug is.
Andrew: We just haven't really talked about it yet, but we will be at LeakyCon. I mean, that's for sure.
Eric: All right.
Andrew: We just haven't figured out what day and time the podcast will be, and all that.
Micah: Don't worry, we'll do a show, Eric. It's okay.
Andrew: Yeah, you don't have to worry about that. We will be doing a show.
Micah: And Andrew...
Andrew: Even if we have to sit in one of the hallways...
Andrew: ...and sit around a laptop. People can watch us...
Micah: Yeah, Andrew, look - but I just wanted to get this out there right now. It's much different doing a live show, so I will, of course, agree with whatever the fans have to say when we're in front of them, but should we return...
Andrew: You don't want to face their wrath.
Micah: Should we return...
Andrew: You feel more comfortable...
Andrew: ...hiding behind your desk in New York City.
Micah: Exactly. Now should we do a show after the convention? And if there's something that I might have disagreed with, then I may voice my opinion.
Andrew: No, people want to hear the critiques...
Micah: No, I know.
Andrew: I mean, you don't have to be brutal.
Eric: Actually, people do like the change of pace.
Andrew: Honest opinions.
Eric: Well, I got to say, when I released the review and when we talked about it on the show, too, the fact that Richard was so against a lot of Deathly Hallows, and that you guys - for the most part, I think both of you did agree with many of his points or have your own points to say against the film, and I think people really responded to that. That's partially why everybody was so passionate, and we did the next episode a couple of days later just because we'd gotten so much response and I think that was a large part due to - we were all critical and we all had different opinions, genuine, different opinions on the film. So, I hope that's the same, I guess, for Part 2 or I hope it's not the same for Part 2, I don't know.
Andrew: Let's move on now to the Dueling Club! I think the last time we did this was with producer David Heyman, when he was awfully confused until you guys - until Micah led the way.
Eric: And lost.
Andrew: So, in case anyone doesn't know how this works, this is a little fun segment where two hosts each pick a character out of the blue and we decide who would win in that duel. So, I would like to go first. Who wants to duel me and my character?
Micah: Let's go, Andrew!
Andrew: Okay! [laughs]
Micah: If I could take on David...
Micah: Well, actually, David Heyman kicked my ass the last time so...
Andrew: That's true. I will select Sirius Black.
Micah: All right, I will select Karkaroff, keeping in the theme of our Chapter-by-Chapter discussion.
Eric: Ooh, very nice.
Andrew: Okay. Well, I mean, is Karkaroff an Animagus?
Micah: No, he's not.
Eric: [laughs] Oh!
Micah: Not to our knowledge.
Andrew: Okay, excellent. Well, here's the first advantage: Sirius Black is an Animagus, he could turn into a dog and bite Karkaroff's long neck.
Andrew: He's a very tall man. So, there's a lot of places where he could bite Karkaroff. And also, let's not forget, he was very clever during his Hogwarts days. I mean, he created the Marauder's Map for crying out loud. This is a very clever man who worked with, of course, James Potter. And yes, he was a trouble maker, but so was Karkaroff. And - but Sirius has the upper edge because he is a masterful magician despite being hit by Bellatrix and dying.
Micah: Well, he's alive for our purposes now.
Micah: Of course.
Andrew: But I'm just saying...
Eric: ...he lives on...
Andrew: ...he has one flaw...
Eric: ...in our podcast.
Andrew: ...which is that Bellatrix thing.
Micah: Well, Karkaroff is a former Death Eater and he could surely use his powers against Sirius Black. If Sirius wasn't able to take down Wormtail, who is by far the most inept of any of the Death Eaters, he's definitely going to have a problem with somebody like Karkaroff. And if Sirius decides to turn into a dog, Karkaroff could just, "Here, puppy, puppy!" and wham, right on top of the head. [laughs]
Micah: He would never see it coming!
Eric: ...animal abuse on MuggleCast!
Micah: [laughs] But no, I mean, come on, Karkaroff was in Voldemort's inner circle. Sirius is immature at times, and I think that - and plus, Karkaroff teaches at the school where Grindelwald once went, so - and he's the headmaster there. So, Sirius is a little bit too foolish and inexperienced after spending all this time - look what happened against Bellatrix! He should have been more prepared.
Andrew: Yeah, but he put up a good fight. He was in the Marauders, and he was also in the Order of the Phoenix. I mean, he had great defensive skills.
Eric: I don't know, I'm going to have to hand this one to Micah. I mean, he is the headmaster of the school for Dark Arts, so I don't know. I think Micah may have won this. Just the repertoire, for no other reason, the repertoire of spells would be greater. I think Micah wins.
Andrew: All right, if you say so.
Micah: You're just all for animal cruelty, aren't you?
Eric: Yeah, we got to break out the Sarah McLachlan here, I feel like there are animals caged that need our help somewhere.
Andrew: Now, Micah and Eric duel. Eric, you select the first character and Micah will have his.
Eric: All right.
Andrew: Go ahead.
Eric: Gilderoy Lockhart.
Micah: Barty Crouch, Sr. [laughs]
Eric: Ooh, all right. So, Barty Crouch, Sr. and Gilderoy Lockhart.
Andrew: So, Eric...
Eric: I think...
Andrew: ...why would Lockhart win against Barty Crouch, Sr.?
Eric: Well, we know that Gilderoy Lockhart is a bit of a fraud at times in certain areas. But the research that went into Gilderoy Lockhart's book is his ability to covertly, perhaps, move in and steal the identities of his charges, and not to mention memory charms make him a pretty competent thief. And I think for that reason, because he is a dueler, it must have taken a certain degree of planning and a lot of - a higher degree of acting, to pull of what Gilderoy did, especially with so many publications and awards for Most Charming Smile. I think that Gilderoy Lockhart is a very talented sleuth who would be able to overcome somebody with his powers of deception.
Andrew: Did you read Chamber of Secrets?
Andrew: Okay, never mind.
Eric: Once. Once. Twice, maybe.
Andrew: Go ahead, Micah.
Micah: Well, look, my only response to this is that Barty Crouch, Sr. would just simply have to hold up a mirror and then Gilderoy Lockhart would stare at it for the whole time...
Micah: ...during the duel, and Barty Crouch, Sr. could do whatever he wants.
Micah: That's my defense. I think...
Andrew: Well, that may be...
Micah: ...he would get lost within himself which would allow Barty Crouch to just - he could - all he would have to do is take out - I don't even know, just trip him or knock him over.
Micah: He would be so enamored by seeing himself in the mirror that he would be lost.
Andrew: All right.
Eric: Well, Gilderoy Lockhart...
Andrew: I think I...
Eric: ...dresses better.
Andrew: I'm sorry, Eric, this is what you get for making me lose. I do have to give it to Micah. I think Lockhart is a very hard person to defend, he is very full of himself, as Micah pointed out, and he's just not that great of a wizard. And it's proven by the fact he had to make up all of his stories rather than - or get the stories from other people rather than do them himself.
Micah: Now, if you had said that he could have used a memory charm somehow on Barty Crouch, Sr. because Barty Crouch, Sr. ends up getting put under the Imperius Curse very easily or - we don't know, but we find that out later in the book. So, yeah, maybe he's susceptible to certain spells, that would have been my defense of him.
Eric: Interesting. Well, Micah, you - I think I have to say you've redeemed yourself. I mean, you did lose to...
Andrew: You did very well today.
Eric: ...David Heyman, but you beat both of us with flying colors.
Micah: Well, David and I will meet again.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Eric: I think so.
Micah: We'll have to have him back on the show.
Andrew: At the premiere you should be, like, "David, it's time to duel again!"
Micah: We'll get him...
Andrew: Let's go!
Micah: [laughs] We'll get him back on the show.
Eric: And he'll be, like, "You want to admit defeat again?" [laughs] It would be funny if he remembered.
Andrew: [poorly imitating David Heyman] You want to defeat - admit defeat again, Micah?
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