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Show Intro

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Andrew: Because I bet a plane flight on it, this is MuggleCast Episode 224 for April 4th, 2011.

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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 224! Eric and I are here this week. We're sorry for the later-than-planned release of Episode 224, it's been one of those weeks.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And our news anchor is gone, he is on duty today in New York City working hard bringing visitors lots of coverage from the exhibition and - what's the other thing? Oh, the DVD red carpet!

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: I think he's having a good time.

Eric: I think he is, too. I think...

Andrew: He's...

Eric: By all reports on MuggleNet, Micah seems to be having the time of his life!

Andrew: Yeah, and he got a chance, actually, to speak to David Heyman...

Eric: He did.

Andrew: ...the film producer, so we'll get to hear what he had to say. I still haven't heard what they talked about, have you?

Eric: Yes, yes, actually.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Yeah, he talked about - well, Micah introduced himself and it ended with David Heyman saying that he hoped that Micah enjoyed the final film.

Andrew: Oh!

Eric: Nice guy. Very nice...

Andrew: I bet if Micah hated it and Heyman said that to him, he would still pretend like it was good because I don't think Micah would ever be honest, brutally honest [laughs] to Heyman's face.

Eric: I don't know. Yeah, not to Heyman, though, because Heyman is always...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: polite and so nice, so yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, Micah has a little crush on Heyman, I think.

Eric: I do, too.

Andrew: [laughs] Anyway, so this episode is not going to have Chapter-by-Chapter, it's going to be a different format because there's a lot of news we've got to tell everybody about. Plus, Eric and I - we were very lucky, we got to go to the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 test screening in Chicago earlier, just a few days ago. It was, what, Saturday?

Eric: Saturday, yeah.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Yeah, for those of you who have been familiar with this in the past, they always do a test screening of the latest Harry Potter film a couple of months prior to release. And historically it's been in Chicago, and this time, Andrew and I got in...

Andrew: Yeah, it's...

Eric: ...thanks to a very, very happy MuggleNet reader - MuggleCast listener, actually...

Andrew: Mercedes.

Eric: ...tipped us off.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: And it - people forget this and we say it every time but they don't believe us or something. We don't know for sure that when this mysterious test screening is happening that it is Harry Potter, we just assumed from past test screenings that it is Harry Potter. So, I bet a plane flight on it [laughs] in this case.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Eric lives in Chicago. But we assumed it had to be, it had to - the timing was right, everything made sense.

Eric: It's true, it's true.

Andrew: And...

Eric: There's nothing - there was never any knowledge ahead of time that this was going to be Harry Potter, I think that is an important point.

News: No Plans for a Potter Hotel at Leavesden Studios

Andrew: Anyway, we'll talk about that in a little bit. First, a couple of news items to catch everybody up on. No plans for a Harry Potter hotel near the Leavesden museum.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: And this was something that Micah - he was all excited about last episode. And I don't know if you remember, Eric, but I was kind of, like, "I don't know, guys, this seems kind of weird. I don't know if I believe it," because it seemed odd that an entire hotel would be built around Harry Potter...

Eric: Well, hang on...

Andrew: the middle of nowhere. [laughs]

Eric: But they're building the whole - this museum for Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah, but that already exists!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don't know.

Eric: Kind of, kind of.

Andrew: I mean, I guess that's a valid point.

Eric: USA Today posted it. Wasn't it USA Today?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, it was a credible source, talking about this Potter hotel.

Andrew: Yeah, that's true.

Eric: But as it turns out, it's not happening. So, that's interesting, but I don't know, I've always found this Leavesden museum to be kind of odd because - especially what's happening this week is - Harry Potter: The Exhibition is alive and well, touring the world.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: For the next - I think it's four years they have it planned. Obviously, this Leavesden museum is a chance to see the sets on the stages where they - or on a different stage but in the same location where they were built. So, it's going to be magical and quite different, but I always thought it was weird because all these props and everything are kind of shared now between these two museums. But...

Andrew: Yeah, that is true. It's slightly odd.

Eric: Yeah. So, what does it mean about people who want to stay in London and see this Leavesden? What's going on?

News: First Poster for Deathly Hallows: Part 2 Released

Andrew: I'm guessing they're going to have some bus plans, so you'll be able to stay in London, you'll take a forty-five minute bus ride up to Leavesden, and it will take you back home all in the same day. I mean, or you could stay in a hotel but there's not much to do up there other than the museum, so I don't know. Unless you want to get a good look at suburban England life, then you probably just want to do the bus ride. [laughs] I say that being a spoiled American who went to visit Jamie who lived in middle-of-nowhere England, and it's not that exciting, you know? It's suburban life, just like in America. Not even suburban, it's lots of green. But hey, to each his own. In some other news, the first poster for Deathly Hallows: Part 2 was released and this is a pretty awesome poster. It's not the burning castle which we've seen for over a year now, that was promoting Parts 1 and 2. This one is Harry and Voldemort face to face. Somebody on my Twitter feed said it looked like Voldemort was giving Harry the finger.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But I don't think...

Eric: It's the Elder Wand! He's giving Harry the Elder Wand.

Andrew: Oh! Because now every time I look at it, I picture Voldemort [laughs] giving Harry the finger.

Eric: Actually...

Andrew: Anyway, you like this poster, Eric?

Eric: Yeah, he's got a pretty nubbed finger with these ridges, then, because the Elder Wand has those little breaks in it...

Andrew: Mmm.

Eric: ...every couple of inches, it comes out a little bit. But no, first time I saw this poster, I got to be honest, I thought it was fake.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Yeah, yeah, because there's a lot of blood, a lot more blood then there have been in previous Potter posters, it just seems. Like, look at the gash on Dan Radcliffe's forehead.

Andrew: That is pretty brutal.

Eric: On Harry's forehead, it's not just a drop of blood here or even a streak of blood. We're talking, like, instead of hair there is this - it looks like brain matter because it's shimmering.

Andrew: They're trying to appeal to the people who really want to see a film with a lot of action and gore...

Eric: That's true.

Andrew: ...besides - all Harry Potter fans are going to see this movie...

Eric: But...

Andrew: ...but they need to appeal to the broader audience as well.

Eric: It's true, but there's - and if you look even closer there's another streak of blood on his lips, on Harry's lips, around his mouth. He's been...

Andrew: Are you sure that's not ketchup? Maybe he was eating? I mean...

Eric: Eating a hot dog before they filmed this?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Maybe, maybe.

Andrew: Well, because battling takes a lot of calories so you got to replenish.

Eric: [laughs] Now there are - the fire and the ashes at the bottom of the poster is really cool, I like the way that that's done.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And Voldemort, too, is pretty bloody. I mean, he has the slits for the nose which are always kind of gross to look at upfront. But I can totally see this poster on a bus shelter or spread across a brick building somewhere in downtown L.A., you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And it's going to be - I think it's got the excitement. It's got the excitement. But there is a lot of blood.

Andrew: It's badass. I'm a fan, I like the direction they're going in and I think it's a good sign for the million other posters to come with all the other characters.

Eric: What does that mean? What do you think - how could they top this one? How in what ways...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...could they top this one?

Andrew: I mean, you know how they do all the solo shots of the individual characters. I like the theme that they're going for, I guess is what I'm saying.

Eric: That will be interesting. So, do you think there will be...

Andrew: And the tagline, "It all ends". What did it say, "It ends here?"

Eric: "It all ends." Well, the burning Hogwarts said, "It all ends here," and now this one says, "It all ends 7/15," for July 15th.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So, that's kind of cool. That also is a message that kind of speaks to us, too, because this is...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...ten years of Harry Potter films. Seriously, the people who are going to be most excited for this poster are also going to be - their world is coming to an end, our world is coming to an end soon enough.

Andrew: Well, as I tweeted after seeing the test screening, I was the first person to individually confirm that there is life post-Potter.

Eric: [laughs] You said that, did you?

Andrew: Now, I was in a hospital the next night...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: ...but it had nothing to do with seeing the Harry Potter films, [laughs] the eighth Harry Potter film.

Eric: It's very true.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: But are you feeling all right now? [laughs]

Andrew: Yes, better, but not completely.

Eric: So, there is life afterwards.

News: How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying Opens

Andrew: There is life, yeah. And you know what - never mind, I won't get into it. How to Succeed in Business opened in New York City and Andrew - or... [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Andrew and Micah.

Andrew: As you can tell, I'm reading straight from the Google Doc. Micah and I attended the musical and I got to say, it was really good, we had a great time. Micah is not too big a fan of musicals, but he went and he enjoyed it thoroughly, and actually he was laughing more than I was.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: There were times when Micah would start laughing and I felt like I had to look as entertained as he was...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I started laughing along with him.

Eric: Well, that's good to hear. That's really good to hear, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. And I can't wait to see it, I'm going to see it in, like, three weeks.

Andrew: Mhm. And now will you be judging it thoroughly to see if it lives up to your performance as Pierce - J. Pier Finch? [laughs] What's his name again?

Eric: [laughs] J. Pierrepont Finch.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: You did really good. No, no, no, I'm not going to be judging. I know it will far surpass mine because obviously this is a professional production and I...

Andrew: Oh, don't put yours down.

Eric: No, no, no, no, it was - okay, mine had a pretty big budget for a high school production and the costumes were great. But the dancing - from all accounts, Dan's dancing - we've seen video, there have been these production video trailers of How to Succeed that they released on the web and it just seems like the dancing that Dan is doing is going to be simply ridiculous, it just seems that way. And not to mention singing, there have been clips already released. So, yeah, I have a good feeling that Dan's performance is going to blow me away and I fully expect to be blown away by everything about this show. But the fact that you guys have seen it and that even Micah really, really, really enjoyed it gives me more hope that...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric:'s just going to continue to blow me away.

Andrew: Dan's singing, dancing, overall performance, it was all really good. I mean, especially at the end, Dan is dancing his ass off and he does a great job. Really, just really impressive, and it's great to see Dan branching out and succeeding. [fake laughs]

Eric: Ha. So, how is his American accent?

Andrew: It was good. I actually thought the British accent, the English accent leaked through a couple of times, but it wasn't distracting or anything. So...

Eric: Yeah, it's a work in progress. Now, you saw him in Equus too, right?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Now, how are those different? How were those performances - obviously...

Andrew: In this one, he wears more clothes.

Eric: Clothes, okay.

Andrew: I can't remember if he - was he? No, he's not shirtless in this one at all.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Or pants-less or underwear-less.

Eric: [laughs] Oh God.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: That's right. He was nude, wasn't he for a period there?

Andrew: Yeah. Mhm.

Eric: In Equus. That's - so...

Andrew: This one I would say - I mean, in terms of audiences, obviously How to Succeed appeals to a much larger audience.

Eric: Ahhh.

Andrew: So, I would say, in that regard, this one is better. It's funny, whereas Equus was very dark, dramatic. This is the complete opposite.

Eric: Okay. And...

Andrew: And...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Hmm?

Eric: Oh, and I wanted to mention before we move on that the cast of Harry Potter has now seen Dan in the musical.

Andrew: Yeah, which is really nice.

Eric: Kind of an update, they're all in town and we'll find out why, next time Micah is with us because he's got - they've been doing so many press events and Micah's been covering them. But Evanna Lynch wrote on her Twitter last night that they had actually - they were all in town - I mean, David Heyman, Warwick Davis, everybody you can think of, Robbie Coltrane, Phelps twins...

Andrew: Phelps twins.

Eric: ...everybody. Yeah. And they said that - or Evanna Lynch wrote that they saw Dan on Broadway in his show in How to Succeed, that he smashed it, I think were Evanna's words, and that they all really enjoyed his performance. So, that's got to be wonderful for Dan because his whole family, all these other actors that he's worked with come to support him and see his show, and not to mention David Heyman, David Barron, David Yates. It must have been amazing, a wonderful night.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm happy for them all.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I'm sure that was a good - a fun night. And don't forget, Eric's interview with Dan Radcliffe is now on, we'll include a link in the show notes. Eric obviously did a really good job with that interview since he was in a different version of that play.

Eric: Yeah, I wanted to give us the edge with those sort of more intimate questions about the show, which I think Dan really responded to, so it was really kind of cool.

Andrew: Yeah, it was.

Eric: Really, really lucky. Really nice guy. But he talks, he does tend to answer questions at length, [laughs] so - it was tough because we were timed to actually get in all the questions we had but we did a good job. I think he really responded to us, it was a good interview.

Andrew: So, visit for that.

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Andrew and Eric Attend Deathly Hallows: Part 2 Test Screening - Spoiler-Free Review

Andrew: Okay, now the big news of the week. Like I said at the beginning of the show, Eric and I had the very high honor, privilege, to see Deathly Hallows: Part 2 in Chicago. Like we said, again, [laughs] I bet a plane ticket on it.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: We - Eric lived in town, so it wasn't as risky for him. All we knew was it was a test screening, and timing of it lined up and all of that. So, we did post our initial spoiler-free reactions on and I think - is that what we're going to do, Eric? Maybe start with those, maybe just browse through a couple of those...

Eric: Yeah...

Andrew: ...things that stood out.

Eric: ...initial thoughts, especially - just the quick things we can report so that - but at the same time, keeping free - I know I have a lot of friends who I told them we were going to record MuggleCast about this film and they said, "Oh, I might not listen to it because it's going to be all spoilery." So, there are people who don't want to be spoiled, people I know, and I understand that and I respect that. So, at first we're just going to talk about it kind of over - all the things that we felt were safe to talk about. And then what we'll do is we'll give you a timestamp to return to the show after we sort of discuss a lot of the fan questions because even though there's a group of fans who don't want to be spoiled, there are - there's another distinct, separate group of fans who do really want to hear...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: least a little bit about it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, I think we'll try and play to both audiences on this show, and we'll see where that gets us.

Andrew: So, for now, if you don't want to be spoiled that's fine. We're going to talk about the movie in a spoiler-free manner and we'll warn you when we start talking about the spoilers.

Eric: So, let's talk about Mercedes at first because we haven't...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: We kind of mentioned her earlier, but - she e-mailed in, I guess, to MuggleCast and...

Andrew: Yeah, and she said, "Hey, I got invited to this test screening and I think it's Harry Potter." And so we spoke to her at length and she seemed - she was really serious about it.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: She gave us her phone number, she was, like, "Call me, this is serious!"

Eric: [laughs] Not a joke.

Andrew: And we're, like, "Okay!" And so we spoke with her, and yeah, we - she graciously added our names to the list and - thank you so much to her...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: ...because otherwise - for me personally, if she hadn't given us, like, six days advanced notice, I personally wouldn't have flown down. So...

Eric: Yeah, you couldn't have done it because...

Andrew: Right.

Eric: were already on your way back to Los Angeles.

Andrew: L.A., yeah. And I never would have had the rare opportunity to sleep in Eric Scull's bed.

Eric: Oh, yeah. Totally.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: You lucky S.O.B. So, [laughs] the other thing I wanted to talk about - let's talk about, first, how unfinished the film was, just so people...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Just to kind of clear the air, here. I want to say that this film in particular has a lot more special effects than the previous films. That could have been guessed because a lot of the film is the final battle, as also could be guessed. Now because we're seeing this screening - or we saw this screening at the same time, say about three months prior to release as we had seen - or as I had seen the other - the last two films, the difference was that it was even less finished than previous test screenings, and I think - I do want to mention [laughs] the title cards - Andrew do you - take it from here. [laughs] What do you think about those?

Andrew: Oh, the title cards were very funny [laughs] because what happened was when a scene wasn't complete, to help the audience understand what was going on, they added subtitles, like captions that you would see for deaf people, it would be at the bottom. And so we saw several of those throughout the film and some of them were so descriptive, even during very dramatic, important scenes, that the audience roared with laughter [laughs] because it just - the writing was so ridiculous on these very dramatic scenes and we won't talk about it now because it would be spoiling...

Eric: It would be a spoiler.

Andrew: But - yeah.

Eric: But yeah, and I just think these test screenings are done to an innocent audience of varying ages, races, genders, everything. They try and pull aside an assortment of pretty much everybody so that they can judge where the laughs land, and to make sure that the film is hitting in the right moments that the producers and the directors want.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And the directors are always at these screenings, which is really cool because David Yates, and David Heyman, David Barron were all there, and the editor. But I think this time [laughs] with all of these funny, funny, funny cue cards, title cards going, it was kind of bittersweet for them, I think, because obviously it was - the film was more amusing than it will be when it's completed.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And I think - but I do think...

Andrew: But I felt really bad for Heyman and Yates because during this one scene where everybody started laughing at the subtitle that appeared on the screen - it was a very dramatic scene that they would want to look around in the audience and see if people were crying or something but...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: ...instead everybody was laughing and I felt bad. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Yeah, but for the most part I think - oh, and the acting though - and I just have to say, again, without spoiling, everybody has picked it up a notch in this film. And when those special effects are completed [laughs] and the captions hopefully or maybe not hopefully are removed from the finished product, I think we're going to have the most epic film, definitely in scope, and I think it's going to be - we see so much of Hogwarts. We see - it's just the battle and everything to do with it is just really massive and I have to say, I think it's just going to blow everybody away.

Andrew: The interviews we saw, I guess, maybe six months ago, maybe even more, were correct. The Battle of Hogwarts is forty-five minutes to an hour, I would say, and...

Eric: Only? Where do you - where are you counting from?

Andrew: I would count from when Harry gets there.

Eric: From when Harry gets to Hogwarts?

Andrew: Yeah, when he arrives at Hogwarts and rallies the troops.

Eric: Oh, I would argue that it's maybe an hour, fifteen at the most.

Andrew: That could be. Yeah, you may be right. So, it is a good chunk of the film and that's important, I think, and that was the advantage of Part 2. I mean, that never would have happened if this were just one film.

Eric: It's really weird, too, because looking back, you try and look back and imagine, "What would this film have looked like if it were only one film?" And I think you're totally right, there was - and it was the right call to make, to split the film. Not like that - not like Breaking Dawn. But...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...I think this was a very wise decision.

Andrew: And speaking of length, the film is two hours, which David Heyman and David Barron, the two producers, said at CinemaCon last week. And a lot of people were kind of up in arms in this, they were saying, "Two hours?! Come on! What the hell?!" But me personally - Eric, tell me if you agree - two hours was plenty, I did not need any more. And honestly, there was a point or two when I was watching the movie and I was, like, "Come on, let's go!"

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: "Let's wrap this up!"

Eric: Well, yeah, I thought the pace was good. I never felt like there needed to be less. But I do think that the two hours is a healthy length, I think, and it may be a little bit longer - it was two hours for us but I think it may be a little bit longer once, obviously, the special effects are completed and the music is added. I think that's a really important point, too, there was no music when we saw it. But the two hours - which, again, was revealed by Heyman and Barron at CinemaCon last week - it makes this film the shortest film. But even when that news was revealed, what does that mean for it to be the shortest film? Well, it can still be two hours and, like, nineteen minutes in length, and still be the shortest film. It's about two hours, and I think that that's a good length.

Andrew: Let's see, what else should we talk about here.

Eric: Let's see if we can do any more spoiler-free stuff besides what has kind of been revealed in the news. Should we talk about the scenes that were leaked just as it pertains to the film, or...

Andrew: The opening on the DVD? On the Part 1 DVD? Is that what you're talking about?

Eric: Yeah, maybe there's a spoiler about that.

Andrew: Well, here's something: the humor in the film. This is obviously - this part of the book is a very serious part, there isn't much humor. There are some moments that might motivate you when you're reading it because it's really inspiring to see all these people uniting together to take on Voldemort. But I noticed in Part 2 that there were a couple of instances of humor that were not needed and they seemed kind of forced to me. And there was one point in particular that annoyed me so much, and again, I won't go into it now because it would be spoiling it. But I'm just a bit worried that the producers and the director - or maybe we have to blame Steve Kloves for this. It felt like in order for a Harry Potter movie to be a Harry Potter movie, they had to inject a couple of pieces of dialogue that are funny but it seems a bit out of place.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: And when I wrote in our spoiler-free review on MuggleNet was that it's not necessary when there's so much action going on and it doesn't need to be there to make up a good film.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: The action takes up that place so there's no need for the humor, but they put it in anyway and it's kind of disappointing.

Eric: Well, I - oh, I don't think it's disappointing at all, but I do think that the attempt was certainly to give every character their moment. I think that that was something that they really strived to do because obviously there are a ton of characters, there are a lot of recurring characters. We won't mention who in this part, but all of these characters that we've come to know and love, they really wanted to make sure that every one of them was seen. And I think that a lot of these funny moments were added or created or shifted in there just to make sure that fans who - especially fans who, after viewing Part 1, when it's just Harry, Ron, and Hermione for so long, and the book was like that - seeing everybody again is kind of going to be really rewarding, I think.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, perhaps - because we were going into it not looking at it from previous films or anything - that it might actually stand the test, it might actually look a lot better once the film is complete and once we can kind of focus on sort of everything else. I think the action, though, is absolutely - in comparison with previous films, where there's a lot of melodrama, where it gets darker every film - there are sad scenes in here, let's not - let's be honest, but I think a lot of what it is offset by is the action and the fast pace of everything because Harry's got four Horcruxes or more to destroy, and he's got to kill Voldemort and the Battle of Hogwarts has to happen. So, it's a lot of fast-paced stuff.

Andrew: Speaking of sad scenes, that reminds me. Eric, you were a bit of a cry baby when we were watching the movie.

Eric: Oh, come on...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: were sitting next to me, but I think...

Andrew: I heard a lot of sniffling. [laughs]

Eric: I - you know what it was? I was trying to force myself to cry to say that I'd be able to cry, that's what it was.

Andrew: Oh, brother.

Eric: That's what I'm sticking - that's the story I'm sticking to.

Andrew: If I weren't having my health problems I probably would have been a little more wrapped up in it, too, but at the time they were kind of pulling me out of the zone.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But yes, there are some very important emotional scenes that like - as I think back on them now, they kind of [laughs] blow my mind in terms of epicness. I've got to say, they were really good. And you weren't the only one crying, of course, there were others. I mean, you weren't crying, you were... [makes sniffling sounds]

Eric: Yeah, I - no, there was wetness in my eye and that was legitimate. I wasn't forcing anything there because I...

Andrew: It's justifiable.

Eric: These - and all the time when I was watching the film, I was thinking, "It all ends here, it all ends here." [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, you just can't think about that, you've got to think about that after.

Eric: That definitely helps. So, yeah, anything else - I mean, I think - I just thought of one more thing, which is that I really feel like people, fans like to watch these Harry Potter films back to back, and I think one of the most successful films to watch back to back are going to be Part 1 and Part 2. I really felt, given the beginning of Part 2 and where Part 1 ends, that they're going to flow really well together. Did you - would you agree with that?

Andrew: I agree, yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Because Part 2 does pick up pretty quick. There's not much of an intro to Part 2, there's not a slow start, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

Eric: That's a good point because before it was always he's back at the Dursleys or something, and...

Andrew: Right, and he has to leave.

Eric:'s quite a while before something happens. But...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...right away you're jumped - you're sort of into the action and obviously these films were filmed at the same time, so they're the same age. There's nothing to take you out of it, you're kind of...

Andrew: [laughs] They don't have dramatically-different haircuts...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: between "3" and "4", and "4" and "5"...

Eric: But...

Andrew: ...when everybody had to get - Movie 4 was, like, "Let's all go in and get really long hair!" [laughs] and then "5" was, "Let's cut it!"

Eric: [laughs] "Let's cut it! That thing we did with our hair, we need to undo that."

Andrew: But Emma waited until after Movie 8.

Eric: I'm so happy. She would have just looked so strange in this film...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...without her normal Hermione hair. Although Bellatrix could have attacked her and cut it off if they needed a scene. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] That's true.

Eric: So, shall we segway?

Andrew: Oh, the one other thing I wanted to mention is the interview with Ciar·n Hinds we talked about...

Eric: Oh yeah!

Andrew: ...on MuggleCast a few episodes ago. He had said that he had a "blink and you'll miss it" appearance and this worried us because we were, like, "Wow, they're cutting his time down?" But that's not the case, you see a lot of him.

Eric: Yeah!

Andrew: And something, actually, I haven't mentioned yet in the report or anything and I haven't talked to you about is that I actually - Aberforth looks great! And he has somewhat of a resemblance to Dumbledore in terms of his hair, I thought, at least. Did you notice that?

Eric: You mean to Michael Gambon's Dumbledore?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Like overall, too? And yeah, I really felt that way. And I think we've examined what could Ciar·n Hinds possibly mean, fans sent in their e-mails about "blink and you'll miss it" in several different interpretations. I think I'm going to go out on a limb and say every single one of those interpretations of how Ciar·n Hinds could have a "blink and you'll miss it" role, I think I still disagree and I think everybody will kind of agree once they see the film, that his role in no way is "blink and you'll miss it." Well, unless...

Andrew: I agree.

Eric: ...he was - unless he meant that he was very fortunate and proud to have gotten the chance to play that role because he does shine and there is a lot of Aberforth in this film. So - but everything to do with whether or not his role was cut or omitted or downsized, that is not the case, just for people who were worried.

Andrew: Well said. All right, two more questions I have in the Google Doc. First, I wanted to say that this movie is very re-watchable, I think. Within 24 hours I was already really excited to see it again because there are so many giant scenes in this movie. It's a lot to take in, more so than the other films, despite it being only two hours. And yeah, I think it's just a great ending overall. This is a wonderful film, I think all of the fans are going to enjoy it. All of the fans are going to be pulled into it and feel very emotional, and it's going to be a great ending. Do you feel the same way?

Eric: Yeah, that's a good idea. This film won't be perhaps as exhausting a two and a half hours endeavor as other films are simply because it is a lot of action, it is a lot of - and the film leaves us in a good place as does the book where nineteen years later, everything is happy. And it being a conclusion is also a lot more rewarding because the mystery is resolved as opposed to other films where it's kind of like it always has to end on a cliffhanger because it's not the last film in the series. This one will do that and so maybe just for that reason alone, this film is going to be more re-watchable, that's a really good point.

Andrew: All right. And best film - [laughs] I don't know. You know what? I think we should save the best-film-of-the-series question for once we see the movie with the special effects and the music, and all that.

Eric: Yeah, I completely agree.

Andrew: Because it's not fair, yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I didn't think about that. Okay, so now we will get into the spoiler stuff, so again, if you don't want to be spoiled just turn off the show now.

Eric: And there will be another MuggleCast soon...

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: ...because tons of news have happened.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: So, you'll hear from us - don't worry about turning us off, you'll hear from us very soon.

Deathly Hallows: Part 2 Test Screening - Opening Scene

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, now into the spoiler stuff. This film sucked! No, I'm just kidding. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] Worst film ever.

Andrew: Where do you want to start? Where do you want to start?

Eric: Let's start at the very beginning, Andrew. That's a very good place to start.

Andrew: Of the movie?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay, so I guess we'll try to go in chronological order.

Eric: Well - and we don't need to list all the scenes.

Andrew: Yeah. Oh God, no. [laughs]

Eric: [laughs] But what we should talk about - because we know I've listed them. But I think what we should talk about is how we felt about sort of just the opening, what surprised us. What surprised you about the first 15-20 minutes?

Andrew: The opening itself? Well, I thought - a nice touch - the W.B. logo is almost about to break apart. It's crusting...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: ...and one little touch from shattering into a million pieces.

Eric: Like burnt paper in a way, I think.

Andrew: Yeah, it's sort of like with the final book cover the curtains are kind of in a mess, in a wreck. So, yeah, the opening is - the tomb, we see Voldemort breaking in and gaining control of the Elder wand. So, we know - so that's a slight refresher, but really that's the only kind of reminder of what happened in Part 1 and then it jumps right into the action.

Eric: Mhm. Yeah, with Harry interviewing Griphook and Ollivander separately about the future...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...about what he has to do. And I think the quest for the Horcruxes just overall in this film was done really well. I think in the book what confused me, and again I haven't really re-read the book too many times since it first came out. I just remember rushing through it the first time and at the same time, I felt that the Horcruxes mixed in with the battle. It's a little hard to follow towards the end of the book because so many exciting things are happening, but also Harry has to do so many things. In the film they had to kind of realize and set a do-order almost for Harry where he's got to do this, and then he's got to do this, and then he's got to do this. And you have to watch it because they have to put it to a pace, it actually made sort of a lot more sense as opposed to when you are reading it. You read at your own pace so you can read four chapters at once and so much stuff will have happened, where in a movie you have to wait until they show it to you. So, it's almost like - I thought that that was - the whole film was like that, where it makes a lot more - it's a lot more gratifying to just watch Harry on his journey and it's not slow or it's not confusing.

Andrew: One thing that kind of bothered me - this is very minor, but one thing that kind of bothered me was Harry does not refer to Griphook by his name in the movie. He says, "Bring me the goblin," or "Bring me to the goblin." And the point behind that is that movie viewers don't really know his name, I guess, so they just figure, [laughs] let's just call him the goblin.

Eric: [laughs] The goblin.

Andrew: Which was kind of like - all right, producers, see this is what happens when you don't really plan ahead too much. But minor thing, minor thing.

Eric: I don't know about that. One of the first lines in the room is, "I don't know if you remember but -" and then Griphook says, "I was the first one who brought you to your vault when you first came to Gringotts."

Andrew: And that's in the book.

Eric: That's in the book, too.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But that's also in the movies is what I'm saying, so they do make that connection without having to know who Griphook is, who or what a Griphook is.

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