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Andrew: Because we don't need a permit to podcast, this is MuggleCast Episode 226 for April 26th, 2011.
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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 226! It's almost kind of a reunion. I actually - when I mentioned who was on the show this week to other people, multiple people they were like, "Ooh! Ooh, no kidding! Oh wow! Wow!" Laura and Jamie are both on the show this week. Hey guys, welcome back!
Laura: Hey Andrew!
Jamie: Hey! We just need...
Andrew: It's been a while.
Jamie: ...Kevin Steck now, don't we?
Laura: Oh my God, is he still alive?
Andrew: I - like, I checked a year ago and yeah.
[Jamie and Laura laugh]
Andrew: I saw him, actually, in New York in November. Me and Micah both saw him.
Jamie: How is he?
Andrew: He's doing well! Yeah.
Jamie: What is he doing now?
Andrew: I don't know.
Andrew: I actually found him - he was in a box on the street. I just happened to run into him.
Jamie: [laughs] Is he a spy of some sort?
Andrew: No, I was implying he's homeless. [laughs] But...
Jamie: [laughs] Oh, right! Oh.
Andrew: No, he's not homeless, he's doing fine. But yeah, so we got a lot to talk about this week. The Deathly Hallows - Part 1 DVD came out and we're already looking forward to Part 2. Well, Micah, get us through the news, we'll get everybody updated. I'm Andrew Sims.
Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Laura: I had no idea how to do that order.
Andrew: Micah, what's in the news? Yeah, I know.
Andrew: I almost forgot to do the intro.
Micah: I was going to say to you - I'd be like, "You're Andrew Sims," because we always forget. But...
Micah: So, Andrew, apparently the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 teaser trailer is going to be debuting this Wednesday on ABC Family.
Andrew: Yeah. It's about time. But - well, okay, you wrote "teaser trailer" in the news post but it doesn't - I didn't see any mention of a teaser trailer. I'm wondering if this is the actual trailer if they're only doing one trailer, or what.
Micah: I just assumed, I guess, because it was ABC Family it would be a teaser trailer and not the full thing.
Andrew: Yeah. Well, we'll have it posted on MuggleNet when it does make its way online. It's kind of annoying that they're airing it only on US television. So poor Jamie, I know he would want to tune into ABC Family but he can't.
Jamie: I'm sure I could get it somehow. I'm sure I could get it. There's - I'm sure there's some internet way of doing it. I don't know.
Jamie: Or some satellite dish, something.
Jamie: But that's quite a lot of effort.
Andrew: It's a little extreme just to watch...
Andrew: Right. [laughs]
Jamie: Someone's probably going to post it online. [laughs]
Andrew: [laughs] Exactly.
Jamie: So that's probably the easier way I'll be seeing it.
Andrew: YouTube is the answer to everything.
Jamie: Yeah, exactly.
Micah: Yeah. So, Wednesday night during Happy Gilmore...
Andrew: [laughs] Oh, great!
Micah: ...from 7 to 9 o'clock. So I know if you haven't gotten your share of Adam Sandler this month, or Bob Barker...
Andrew: I haven't seen that film, so I guess I'll be forced to watch it now.
Micah: You haven't seen Happy Gilmore?
Jamie: Is it terrible?
Micah: Jamie? Laura?
Jamie: Oh, I might have seen it.
Laura: I think I'll just wait for it to hit YouTube.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Micah: It's a funny movie. He beats up - or actually, Bob Barker beats up him. Anyway...
Andrew: All right. Well, what else is going on?
Micah: Well, you mentioned earlier, Deathly Hallows - Part 1 finally hit DVD and Blu-ray. It was released on April 15th. And all the deleted scenes, really, made their way online before the DVD went on sale, so we've been holding off a little bit on discussing them. What were your guys' overall thoughts with some of them?
Andrew: For the first time on a DVD, it seems like there were scenes that were actually - people actually wished they had actually been in the final cut of the film, particularly Harry and Petunia's little talk in the Dursley house before the Dursleys leave. That moved a lot of people.
Laura: Yeah, and it was very well done, too. I mean, it wasn't - I kind of felt that the whole scene with Harry and Dudley shaking hands was a little cheesy, so I understand why they cut that.
Laura: But as per the Harry and Petunia scene, I don't know. It was twenty seconds, I think they maybe could have included it.
Jamie: It's quite a canon thing, though. I think big fans really, really like it but perhaps other people wouldn't appreciate it so much. I think they should have kept it in, though, yeah.
Micah: That was awkward, though. I don't know why they did that the way that they did with Dudley walking like he had something in his pants.
Micah: Or like he almost - like he had to take a dump, if I'm honest.
Andrew: He did look constipated.
Andrew: It was really awkward.
Micah: But yeah...
Andrew: In the "Maximum Movie Mode" feature on the DVD, there was - I think either Heyman - I think it was Heyman, he talked about why they took that little scene out between Mrs. Dursley and Harry because it sort of - it always comes down to the pacing. It disrupted the pacing because he said if they had kept that in, it would have taken away from the fact that something is about to happen, and the whole point of the intro of the film was to make it feel like something was brewing, something was going on, and that took away from it. So, that was their excuse for cutting that out. I don't know if I agree with it.
Laura: I mean, I understand that because if you watch the first five to seven minutes of the film, it is very fast paced and that scene I think would have probably taken it down a notch. So, I get why they did it. I don't think that the pacing thing was just an excuse. I think pacing was an excuse when it came to the sixth film, but with this one I thought they did a really good job with it. So, I don't know. I understand. I get that sacrifices have to be made.
Laura: This is a long lesson I've learned. I used to be one of those people who complained about everything, but...
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: You threw in the towel!
Andrew: WB won.
Micah: It could also be just because, though, that they haven't developed the relationship that exists between Harry and Petunia very much throughout...
Andrew: That's true, too.
Micah: ...the films.
Laura: And they've completely neglected the Dursleys in like the last three films, so...
Laura: I mean...
Laura: ...it would have seemed kind of strange.
Micah: Well, how did that play out, though, Andrew, during "The Prince's Tale"? Did they show Petunia at all?
Andrew: No. No, they didn't.
Laura: Oh my God.
Andrew: That was the one scene - and again that's the one scene - well, I can't completely confirm that because that was the scene I went to the bathroom during, so I don't know.
Laura: When you went to the bathroom?!
Andrew: Yeah, I had to...
Andrew: ...really bad. Because I thought I would rather go during "The Prince's Tale" than during like Harry and Voldemort fighting. I wanted to make sure I didn't miss that.
Jamie: Couldn't you have just...
Laura: Well, you could have held it.
Jamie: ...paused it, though? Or - wait.
Andrew: No, no, it was a Part 2 screening...
Jamie: Oh sorry, I got really confused.
Andrew: ...in Chicago.
Jamie: Oh, right. Yeah. Why didn't you just hold it, then?! Yeah!
Laura: [laughs] Yeah, I know!
Andrew: I couldn't! I was about to explode, guys! Leave me alone. Everybody's disappointed.
Jamie: So wait, Andrew. So wait, is it good, then?
Andrew: Yeah, it was good. It was really good. A lot of the special effects weren't finished so I'm really looking forward to seeing it again, because...
Jamie: So, what's it like when you see a film where they haven't been finished? Is it just like an outline or...
Andrew: No, it's pretty finished. It's just a lot of the special effects that aren't done, so the dragon, for example, some scenes either you didn't see the dragon or the dragon was like half complete. So...
Micah: It's like somebody walking around in a costume or something?
Micah: Like, "I'm the dragon"?
Laura: Barney the Dinosaur is like out there walking around...
Laura: ...as a place filler.
Andrew: No, it was an interesting way to see the film, because it was kind of like a behind-the-scenes look at the process that goes into it. So - no, it was good, though. For example, and I brought this up on - Eric and I brought this up on an earlier episode, Snape - for whatever reason, Alan Rickman was never - wasn't able to shed a tear when he was dying as Snape, so the tear wasn't added yet. So they added a caption at the bottom that says, "Snape sheds a tear," [laughs] and it just made the audience...
Jamie: That's weird.
Andrew: ...roar with laughter.
Jamie: Isn't that weird?
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. Anyway, so these deleted scenes. Any other ones that stood out to anyone?
Micah: Not really.
Laura: There were a couple of them that I didn't - I mean, I didn't really understand what the point of them was, like Ron and Hermione skipping rocks, like Harry and Ron chasing rabbits.
Laura: Like, I get they were trying to establish...
Andrew: That they were bored?
Laura: And they were trying to establish...
Micah: Talk about pacing issues.
Laura: Yeah, I know!
Laura: They were trying to establish the aggression between Harry and Ron, and the romance between Ron and Hermione, but I thought those things were both very evident already and - I don't know, I'm like, okay, so they're out there bounty hunting rabbits now. I don't get it, and I'm really glad that wasn't...
Laura: ...in the movie.
Andrew: Actually, I thought the one with them skipping stones, that was very - that kind of fed into the Ron and Hermione shippers. I thought they may have really appreciated that.
Laura: Yeah. I mean, it was a really nice scene. It was well done and it was very sweet, but I don't think they needed it.
Micah: What about Yaxley searching Hermione's parents' home?
Micah: Okay? Just okay?
Andrew: But yeah - I mean, it was just him taking five steps, looking around, and looking like, [in a silly voice] "Hmmm, what's going on here?"
Laura: [laughs] Yeah, exactly.
Laura: Can you imagine if they had just kept - its like, what, a fifteen-second clip? It's not that long.
Laura: If they had just kept that and [laughs] just randomly inserted it somewhere in the middle of the movie.
Andrew: Yeah, it wouldn't have - yeah, it just wouldn't have made...
Andrew: It just would have been weird.
Micah: Well, I mean, definitely the one that sticks out is the one that we first mentioned with Petunia, because if you really can't remember - like I can't even right now what the other deleted scenes were, then it's probably good that they left them out of the film.
Andrew: Yeah. Anyway, another big feature on the Blu-ray version was the "Maximum Movie Mode" and this was actually really cool because what happens is throughout the movie - you're watching it and the movie will kind of zoom out, and the movie will kind of move to the bottom-right corner of the screen, and then one of the actors or crew members will kind of talk about what's going on. It's kind of like a commentary, but then they'll also add another video window onto the screen and you see behind-the-scenes footage. And one of the best parts of it was they showed when the final shot ever for Harry Potter was being filmed, like in terms of the filming process. Not like the live shot in Part 2, but like in terms of their filming schedule. They showed footage from when they were finished, and Emma and Rupert were crying, and everybody was applauding. It was very emotional. And they showed footage of the little celebration that they had. So, it was really cool, and they kind of included a couple of deleted scenes and explained why they weren't included. So, that was really good and I wish they had started doing these "Maximum Movie Mode"s earlier because they're actually - I watched it with my friends at a party a couple of weeks ago, and it was really fun to watch and then talk about with everybody, so...
Laura: That's cool.
Andrew: A few of - yeah.
Laura: Well, Emma and Rupert were only crying because they thought that was their last scene they were going to shoot.
Laura: Then they found out they had to do the epilogue again.
Andrew: Awww, drats!
Andrew: All crying for nothing!
Andrew: Now we have to cry again! [laughs] If you have a Blu-ray, definitely check it out.
Micah: Yeah, so that's what I was just going to say, it's just for the Blu-ray, right?
Andrew: Yeah. I mean - and if you don't have Blu-ray at this point you're just living in the 90's, so it's time to get with it.
Jamie: Hey, I don't even have a DVD player.
Jamie: I don't even have a DVD player.
Micah: Your laptop doesn't play DVDs?
Jamie: No, no, no, I've got that, I mean I just don't have a DVD player connected to the TV.
Laura: Yeah, I don't...
Jamie: Hey, hey, get this...
Laura: ...have one, either.
Jamie: We don't even have a TV license. We don't even...
Andrew: What do you mean?
Jamie: Well, we just watch - there's this - I probably shouldn't admit this because this is TV fraud, but we sometimes watch stuff on iPlayer, like...
Jamie: Do you know what iPlayer is?
Andrew: Well, what's a TV license? Like, in America you need a license to kill, but why would you need...
Jamie: You don't need a license...
Andrew: ...a license to watch...
Jamie: ...to watch TV? To watch...
Andrew: Well, I mean, you need a subscription to a cable service.
Jamie: Yes, but Andrew, if you don't have cable what happens if you just want like a standard amount of channels? Like, [laughs] what's the standard amount of channels if you don't...
Andrew: You buy an antenna and you get the networks, the big networks.
Jamie: Yeah, okay, so you don't have to pay for that?
Jamie: What?! That's ridiculous!
Andrew: No, yours is ridiculous!
Jamie: We have to pay like two hundred and - no, a hundred and thirty pounds a year for the privilege of watching a television. Or...
Jamie: Yeah, or you can not pay that and do something good with your life.
Andrew: Yeah, that's odd. Yeah, no license here. But anyway, what were we even talking about? Oh, so Jamie has a - [laughs] Jamie lives in the Stone Age, he doesn't have a DVD player.
Andrew: Or a TV license. [laughs]
Jamie: But, saying that, we do have a VHS player. Do you still remember...
Andrew: Oh, great!
Jamie: ...what those are, Andrew? Do you know what they are?
Andrew: Yeah, Part 1 is coming out on VHS, uhhh, never. So...
Jamie: [laughs] Yeah, exactly.
Jamie: We've got those, and we buy a load of videos from charity shops and car boot sales because they're like six for a pound.
Jamie: So you just watch them, and then get rid of them, and then it's a kind of barter system.
Micah: Circle of life?
Jamie: Circle of life, exactly, exactly. Circle of life. However, you don't get the "Maximum Movie Mode" on VHS.
Jamie: So yeah...
Andrew: [unintelligible] ...just supported that.
Jamie: Unfortunately, you don't, no. That's the only bad thing.
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Micah: All right, so moving on in the news, Electronic Arts released the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 video game trailer and a couple of new photos. And I took a look at the trailer, and I've never been big on EA's video games and I have to say, this trailer [laughs] does not really make me want to play this game.
Micah: I don't know if anybody else has watched it, but it's really not cut that well, to be honest.
Andrew: Yeah, it's kind of - we've talked about this before. It seems like the Deathly Hallows video games are - or the Harry Potter video games, they're never good and we've always been disappointed with each one that comes out, and I'm sure Part 2 will be no different.
Andrew: I mean, the footage is cool but...
Micah: It's cool, I think part of the problem is - and we've discussed this many times, is that it needed to be more of a role-playing game, and having sort of free roaming ability to go different places within the world and really - which the LEGO Harry Potter does let you do, but these series of games just don't allow for that and so while you might be seeing a really cool scene on the trailer, you don't necessarily get to play that scene in the game, if that makes sense.
Laura: Yeah. Well, and speaking of someone who has kind of...
Micah: I know, Laura, you have played it, too.
Laura: Yeah, I was a video game nerd when I was younger and I probably got - I would get the Harry Potter games up until I was about 14 or so, and they were really easy. I would beat them in less than a day.
Laura: Like, I would sit down, seriously, for like four hours and be like, "Okay, I'm done."
Laura: So... [laughs]
Laura: I was home schooled, I didn't have anything better to do.
Laura: But yeah, so I don't know, they probably need to be a bit more challenging, too.
Andrew: Yeah, and I think from what I've heard - just the stories aren't that good, and - well, whatever. I mean, we'll try not to talk about this one much over the coming months because we've always been disappointed. [laughs]
Micah: Yeah, that's true.
Andrew: Jamie, do you need a license to play video games in the UK?
Jamie: Don't know, I don't play any. [laughs]
Micah: Do you go to the arcade?
Jamie: Well, saying that, I do go to the - like, penny arcades, you know? I don't mean like...
Jamie: ...with big digital screens and stuff, I mean where you put a 2p in, and it goes down to the bottom and then it pushes it, and - do you know I mean? And then it pushes the 2p off.
Andrew: Right, like skee-ball?
Jamie: I don't know.
Andrew: Do you remember skee-ball?
Jamie: No, I don't know. Oh, I don't think it has a specific name.
Jamie: Or it has like a generic name. But anyway, I've gone to those sometimes.
Andrew: Oh, okay.
Jamie: I quite like those but you don't need a license. [laughs]
Andrew: [laughs] Okay.
Andrew: All right.
Micah: All right.
Andrew: What else is going on, Micah?
Micah: All right, final piece of news, in a new article by Movieline, JK Rowling revealed how apprehensive she was at handing the keyboard over to screenwriter Steve Kloves for the movie adaptation of her magical world. And I'm reading a post by Keith Hawk here.
Micah: No, I mean, I think we're starting to see a lot of these articles now that the series is winding down. We're getting more insight into how this all got created in the first place. So, JK Rowling was just talking about what it's like. I'm sure it must have been, at least early on, pretty scary to hand this work over that you've been working on for pretty much your entire adult life to somebody who you don't know and...
Andrew: Yeah. Here's what she said. She said:
"Steve turned to me while food was being ordered and said quietly, 'You know who my favorite character is?' I looked at him, red hair included, and thought, 'You're going to say Ron. Please, please don't say Ron. Ron's so easy to love!' And he said, 'Hermione,' at which point, under my standoffish, mistrusting exterior, I just melted, because if he got Hermione, he got the books. He also, to a large extent, got me."
Jamie: I think that sounds like the kind of story that you come up with after the event [laughs] that sounds really good, you know?
Jamie: I mean, I'm not - I just don't know if you can say that from one word.
Laura: Isn't this old news, though? I feel like we've heard this story before, like a long time ago.
Andrew: Well, it definitely happened a long time ago. I don't know. This was a new interview she's doing...
Andrew: ...for a publication called Written By.
Andrew: So, there will be more. But maybe she has, I don't know. It may have been a long time ago.
Andrew: Yeah, I agree with Jamie, though. It does seem a bit odd that just one word, and then it's like, 'Oh, okay!' I sort of get it because Hermione was a very complex character, I think.
Laura: Well, and she was also based on...
Jamie: Yeah, exactly. JK Rowling, yeah.
Laura: ...Jo as a kid, so...
Micah: Yeah. Well, you see Laura, the thing is is that there's so little news about her these days that we have to start recycling things.
Andrew: We should find some interviews from '98 and just start reposting them as new news.
Micah: Yeah, exactly.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: We'll call it an exclusive...
Laura: I bet no-one will notice.
Andrew: Yeah, exactly! We'll call it a new MuggleNet interview with JK Rowling. We'll see how far we can get.
Jamie: Or we should probably do it with someone we've actually done an interview with before. [laughs]
Laura: [laughs] Release date for Chamber of Secrets has been announced.
Andrew: [laughs] Okay, so that's all that's in the news, Micah?
Micah: That's it.
Andrew: All right. Before we continue, we actually - [laughs] we got a lot of e-mails last week and Laura - actually this is why it's great that you're on this episode, part of the reason why - we talked about - we did a What If segment, "What if Harry Potter was a girl?" which we may have done before but we wanted to do it again and, you know, three or four guys...
Laura: And I'm sure you guys were just...
Laura: ...wonderful and complimentary individuals.
Andrew: Yeah, we didn't please a lot of people.
Laura: Yeah. [laughs]
Andrew: So we'll talk about those e-mails in a second, but first we want to remind everybody that we're going to be at LeakyCon 2011, going on in Orlando, Florida over the release of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2. It's going to be July 13th to the 17th at the Universal Orlando Resort. It's going to be a ton of fun. We're going to be doing some podcasts there, including our big movie review podcast. Micah, Eric, Ben, and I are all going to be there, it's going to be a ton of fun. There's going to be the ball, there's going to be the party in the park, there's going to, of course, be the big midnight movie release event that everybody attending LeakyCon is of course going to be going to. Everybody is going to be - I'm going to be sopping up Micah's tears as he's rolling all over the floor in despair.
Micah: Or it could just be how bad the movie is.
[Andrew and Jamie laugh]
Micah: I could be crying because of that, too.
Andrew: Could be that, too.
Micah: I'm kidding.
Andrew: I'm going to be cleaning up after Eric, too. It's going to be a mess, but it's also going to be a lot of fun. So, visit LeakyCon.com and when you register, we can't wait to see you there, and also enter code "Muggle" and that way we'll know you're coming! And more details to be announced pretty soon. We're finally going to talk to them about the podcast soon, we still haven't talked to them about that yet, but - we will be doing a podcast there, we just don't have the exact details yet.
Micah: What day does it start?
Andrew: July 13th.
Micah: So we'll let you guys know, like, July 12th...
Andrew: [laughs] Yes.
Micah: ...what's happening.
[Jamie and Micah laugh]
Andrew: No, no, no.
Micah: I'm kidding.
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