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MuggleCast 227 Transcript

Show Intro

["Hedwig's Theme" plays]

Andrew: Because we are here for one last trailer review show, this is MuggleCast Episode 227 for April 28th, 2011.

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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 227 for our final [gasps] trailer show ever which is kind of weird to think, I have to say. Micah and Eric are here. Hey guys!

Eric: Hey!

Micah: Hey!

Eric: Is this really the final trailer show? Is there not going to be...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...another trailer prior to the film's release?

Andrew: No, and I mean, there was just that one teaser trailer for Parts 1 and 2. That kind of did like double duty. So we didn't get a teaser trailer for Part 2, we just got this trailer. But I don't think anybody is complaining.

Eric: Well...

Andrew: Because the trailer was really good.

Eric: Yeah. Well, then there was also what appeared on Deathly Hallows - Part 1, right? That was kind of a teaser-ish. It had - was that part of the scene between Harry and Ollivander and then it opened up into other shots?

Andrew: Oh, you're talking about on the DVD.

Eric: Yeah, on the DVD. Yeah.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: So we get that.

Andrew: That was an opening scene, yeah. And it was good.

Micah: On the Blu-ray, not the DVD. [laughs]

Andrew: Right.

Eric: You guys [laughs] discussed that last week, right?

Announcement: Hypable

Andrew: Yeah. So, obviously we're back pretty soon, and it's just because this is going to be a trailer show, nothing but trailer talk. But before we get to the trailer talk, first I want to tell everybody about a new site I'm doing with a couple other MuggleNet staff members. It's called - H-Y-P-A-B-L-E dot com. It is a MuggleNet for multiple fandoms. It is an entertainment site for fans by fans. I really want you to check it out. We decided to create Hypable when we realized that there was really no good entertainment site out there that really dedicates themselves to particular fandoms. That's what Hypable is about. It's multiple MuggleNets, so to speak, all in one site. So whether you're a fan of Harry Potter, Twilight, The Hunger Games, Glee, a bunch of other TV shows, you go to Hypable, you can get all the news you need for each fandom that you're a fan of - that you're a part of. It's all very easy. We have seventeen fandoms currently, and we're going to be adding more and more as time goes on. Just over the next couple of weeks, we plan to add at least five more fandoms. All of these fandoms have thorough and quick news coverage. And what I mean by that is we will bring you every story in the fandoms that we cover. And we don't waste time, we get the news to you very quickly. We are dedicating ourselves to this project. Of course MuggleNet is still going to be around, you don't have to worry about that, but we're in Hypable for the long run so I encourage you to check it out. The reviews so far have been very positive and we're so glad to hear that a lot of people like it. H-Y-P-A-B-L-E dot com., check it out! Thanks for your support.

Quick Trailer Roundtable

Andrew: Let's get into the trailer talk. We're going to go through it frame by frame, quite literally, actually, because we're going to be looking at every little clip. There were so many clips, unsurprisingly, in the trailer that there's a lot to talk about. And I keep - I follow a lot of Harry Potter friends on Twitter and everybody is like, "Ooh, this clip! This clip!" and I'm like, "I didn't notice that clip!" And it's because everything goes by so fast, it's kind of like, whoa. So Micah, as the only person here who has not seen the film, [laughs] did it get you excited for the final movie in the Harry Potter franchise?

Micah: Yeah, definitely. I think there's so much action in this trailer and that's what differentiates it from - I think the ones that we've seen before, there's been so much plot that we've had to go through, and now finally this is it, this is the last film. You guys have talked about it on previous shows and you've said so much of this film is dedicated to the actual battle. And I think we saw a lot of that in this trailer, probably, even for me, more so than I would have liked to have seen, to be honest with you. But that's part of these trailers being put out there. Inevitably, we see things that we'd rather leave for the theaters. But it seems like - I don't know that you can be disappointed with this film, based upon looking at the trailer.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Eric, being the person who has seen the film, does the trailer live up to the film - does the film live up to the trailer?

Eric: Does the film live up to the trailer? Well, Andrew, the version we saw did not have many special effects completed, so what I was looking for in this trailer was sort of the - as Micah said, lots of action, all of the effects that have been completed. Particularly because the Battle of Hogwarts, when we saw it, was very fast-paced, but we didn't see, for instance, some shots in here that have been completed since. And that's really awesome. Like spells flying, breaking windows, and even people on brooms, during the battle. That's all really cool, and that's all new. To see it in the final version is more rewarding.

Andrew: I would have to agree. I, too, was looking for the special effects because, like you said, there weren't many complete in the test screening we saw in Chicago. And the special effects looked great in this movie. So, very pleased. Let's start going through it then. We're going to start - and what we're going to do is give you the second-by-second marks, so if you were sitting there on your computer, listening to this, you too can kind of watch with us. You can kind of just scroll through, frame by frame...

Eric: Bono is going to watch this with us?

Andrew: Who?

Eric: Bono and the Edge, they're going to watch this with us?

Andrew: Yes, U2 are watching it with us tonight. [singing] "It's a beautiful day." [stops singing] So, at the seven-minute...

Micah: You know those jokes, man. You know it's late when those jokes are coming out.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: What, I asked - I made the joke.

Micah: I know.

Scene-by-Scene: "Hedwig's Theme"

Andrew: All right. So at four seconds, the very first shot in the trailer is Snape walking through Godric's Hollow. And you know what? I think, actually, the bigger story here - well, at least for these first few opening shots - and we'll talk about each shot but first, let's just hear the music at the beginning. I thought something was wrong with my computer when I heard this.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So take a listen.

[Clip from trailer plays]

Andrew: [laughs] Personally, I was like, "What's going on with my computer? Is it the Internet?"

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Anyway, that's...

Micah: Yeah, it's very child-like, you know? It's almost like you're about to enter this really - what's it called? Like this horror film, of sorts. It has a really eerie feeling to it.

Eric: Yeah. It's like...

Micah: And then you see this weird, shadowy figure walking down a corridor.

Eric: Mhm.

Micah: Or an alleyway.

Andrew: It's kind of like something's broken, the sound.

Eric: Well, it's really like a music box.

Micah: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: Mmm.

Eric: It's like a music box winding down. So after it's been playing this high-speed Harry Potter theme, it's now slowing down to where it's going to die.

Scene-by-Scene: Ravenclaw's Diadem

Andrew: The next shot that we see, at the seven-second mark, is the Ravenclaw tiara. A very close look at it. You can really see the detail, every little diamond. I mean, it's a beautiful piece.

Micah: You can actually see the writing, too. You can make out the...

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: What does it say? "Wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure," or something along those lines.

Andrew: Yup.

Micah: You can actually see those words written. So it really gives you an idea of how much time and effort the crew, the prop crew, put into creating these items. I know we always talk about that, we always hear about it from David Heyman and David Yates, all the producers, but this is another example of just how much time and effort they put into these things.

Eric: Yeah. The cool thing is that this tiara - like Micah said, the detail. Also, it appears to be resting on its original blue velvet case that's sort of holding it. It just makes the whole artifact look so much older and authentic, as being this really old relic, the oldest relic in the Harry Potter series, next to obviously the other items of the founders, like the sword. But it's a really nice shot.

Scene-by-Scene: The Prince's Tale

Andrew: Also at the seven-second mark is a shot of Petunia and Lily, and...

Eric: Oh, don't spoil it! [laughs]

Andrew: What? Oh. Well, that's the thing. An average person would see this shot and not know exactly what this is. I mean, quite frankly, you don't really - well, I guess you do know it's a Harry Potter film because you hear that little music at the beginning. But it takes - not until you see Voldemort...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: you see that this is Harry Potter.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. And I agree.

Micah: It is misleading. I think that when...

Andrew: Misleading?

Micah: Well, no, no...

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: No, no, listen though.

Eric: And then there's...

Micah: Exactly, because you just brought up the point that until you see Voldemort, you have no idea what this movie is, unless you're very familiar with "Hedwig's Theme."

Eric: I think - but who isn't?

Micah: And it's very eerie, like I said. You have this - as Eric pointed out, this music box song that's playing, and then all of a sudden you see this person walking down a hall and there are these kids standing on a grassy hill. It's almost like something out of Children of the Corn or Poltergeist or something like that.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, like ominous things are going to go bad.

Andrew: So we see - by the way, this does confirm that in the memory scene, there is - in "The Prince's Tale" Petunia is there. And I wanted to mention that because on the last episode, I think somebody asked me if Petunia was in "The Prince's Tale" and I said "I don't know, I went to the bathroom." [laughs]

Eric: Oh. Yeah, she definitely is, and she has dialogue.

Andrew: And then they cut to the close-up shot of Lily's hand with the flower kind of coming out of it, showing Petunia that she's a witch.

Eric: See, this is probably the least - this is the special effect shot that's in the trailer that I'm least happy with.

Andrew: It's not good.

Eric: It's not good. I think, to me, that the flower was supposed to be blossoming in her hand, like on top of her hand, and not sort of coming out of her hand. And it's not that it specifically looks like it's coming out of her hand to me, but that's - Andrew, you just said that's what you thought it was. And to be honest, it's just - it looks fake and it doesn't look like the flower is resting on her hand. I thought it was a little disappointing that this was the first intro to CGI in this final, only trailer.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Not that I would change it, I would just improve it. I hope it looks better in the final film.

Scene-by-Scene: Dumbledore's Hand?

Andrew: We then see Dumbledore's hand picking up the - is that Dumbledore's hand?

Eric: No, they've got - somebody with nails. Yeah.

Andrew: It wouldn't actually make sense for it to be Dumbledore's hand.

Eric: No, his nails are painted.

Micah: Because it's Harry.

Eric: Yeah, I think it's...

Andrew: And it's not Harry, no way.

Eric: It's not Harry. Look at the finger, look at the nails.

Andrew: Yeah, those are old...

Eric: Old man's...

Andrew: Old man or woman.

Eric: Yeah, it's got to be Dumbledore.

Scene-by-Scene: Harry and Lily's Hands

Andrew: All right. And then we see a shot - now, Micah, in the notes, you wrote - you think it's Snape and Lily's hands, but I actually think it's Harry's because if you see the jacket the guy is wearing, it's the jacket that Harry is wearing during the final battle.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: It's like the corduroy.

Micah: Yeah, I honestly didn't know.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: You guys would probably know better than I would.

Andrew: My guess is this is Harry and Ginny, and they're kind of like, "Don't leave me!"

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: Or Harry - something is going on there.

Eric: This is weird.

Andrew: I don't remember this specific shot in the film.

Eric: No, I don't either. It looks like it's in the forest though. The background is specifically forest. I would have...

Andrew: Could it be his mom? Is he reaching out for his mom?

Eric: I think - yeah.

Andrew: I think that's it.

Eric: It could be the resurrection scene.

Andrew: Yeah. See, Eric wouldn't know that because his eyes were filled with tears so much, he could hardly see the screen.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Yeah, I think during this scene - yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, I think it's his mom.

Eric: Yeah.

Scene-by-Scene: Close-up of Voldemort's Face

Andrew: That would make sense, Eric. Okay, so now we advance to twelve seconds, and like we mentioned just before, this is the first time - this is when you actually see it's Harry Potter. We got a look - we got three shots of hands and arms in a row - four shots of hands and arms in a row!

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: And then we get a close-up...

Eric: And it's not over yet!

Andrew: Right.

Eric: There are more shots of hands and arms in this trailer.

Andrew: We see a shot of Voldemort opening up his eyes, and he sees the...

Micah: Now, is that him lying in the forest? Is that - does that happen in the film, where he's actually knocked out for that period of time that Harry gets knocked out, for King's Cross?

Eric: Yeah, that happens. I don't know why the shot is off-center, though. But I think that that's probably what's going on.

Micah: It looks like grass.

Andrew: I can't tell...

Micah: A little bit underneath.

Andrew: Yeah, it does, but it's hard to tell if he's laying on the ground.

Eric: Yeah, he is.

Andrew: I don't know.

Eric: I'm fairly certain that's when he wakes up from having the shared experience with Potter. But that - it's so off-center. [laughs] So still, if you can't recognize it as Voldemort, there's no hope.

Scene-by-Scene: Dobby's Grave

Andrew: And now we get to seventeen seconds, the Warner Bros. logo, of course. And then at the twenty-second mark, we see Harry overtop of Dobby's grave.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: With Shell Cottage in the background.

Eric: Next to Harry.

Micah: Now, what is he looking at, though?

Andrew: Yeah, he's - I think that's...

Eric: He's looking at the mirror.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. He's reminded - he's reminiscing in this scene about how Dobby came to find them, and it was because he shouted into the mirror, in Harry Potter: Part 1. Or Deathly Hallows - Part 1.

Scene-by-Scene: Voldemort's Voiceover and Scream

Andrew: Okay, advancing to 23, 24 seconds, 25, it's a very close shot of Harry. Let's listen to what's going on here to kind of help us keep - I think this is Voldemort giving the message, right? Here, let's listen to this.

[Clip from trailer plays] "Harry Potter, you have fought valiantly."

Andrew: So this is Voldemort telling Harry it's time to fight. And so we'll jump back to 24 seconds there, and - you could probably presume this is when Harry is listening to Voldemort's message.

Eric: Yeah. So here's - also at 25 seconds is the first instance of this really odd sound that's coming from Voldemort. Voldemort screams.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It's like...

[Andrew and Eric imitate Voldemort's scream]

Eric: Right? Well, it's repeated throughout the trailer, I think at least three times.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: And - yes. Especially when Harry grabs him, pulls him off the cliff - we'll talk about that later. But this scream appears at least three times in this trailer. It just - it irks me. It's really weird, it reminds me of - there's a common film scream, it's - basically it's stock footage. A long time ago somebody recorded this scream and instead of having actors do their own screams throughout history, it's - they've been replaced, essentially. Inserted over dialogue is what's called the Wilhelm Scream. It's been used in hundreds of films in Hollywood.

[Clip of the Wilhelm Scream plays]

Andrew: Interesting. So that scream - that's kind of a movie - I mean, obviously it's not the one that's in this trailer, [laughs] but...

Eric: No, no, no.

Andrew: ...that's kind of an interesting...

Eric: But it's the same idea. So different movies, different...

Andrew: Same scream.

Eric: ...different scenes, same scream coming from all different people. It's footage. And they repeat this scream in this Harry Potter trailer - it's Voldemort's scream. They repeat it at least three times.

Andrew: I think it lends to Voldemort's craziness, though. I mean...

Eric: But why the same exact scream?

Andrew: Are you sure it's the same exact...

Eric: If Voldemort...

Andrew: You'd have to cut it up and compare, I don't know if you can claim something like that.

Eric: If Voldemort isn't actually screaming, like the scream is not coming out from his body, why would they play it during this trailer?

Andrew: I don't know.

Micah: That's a good question, but I mean, if Voldemort really screamed like in the way that you just played that, I don't know if I could take him very seriously.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It's to make a sense of eeriness. I like it, I think he's a crazed man.

[Andrew and Eric imitate Voldemort's scream]

Eric: Play it again. Play Voldemort. Play Voldemort again. It's 25, 26 seconds.

Andrew: Okay. Now here's Voldemort's scream.

[Clip from trailer plays]

[Andrew imitates Voldemort's scream]

Eric: So that's - anyway, that's number one. That's the first time we hear that scream in this trailer.

Scene-by-Scene: Voldemort Shooting a Spell

Andrew: All right. Well, at 26 seconds we see the quick shot of Voldemort throwing a spell, and the way they cut this it looks like it's hitting Greyback. But we know better than this. I don't think this is actually what had happened. I think this is obviously two different scenes.

Micah: Yeah, that little creative splicing going on there.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. And Greyback...

Eric: What does Voldemort have against Greyback? Geez.

Andrew: Greyback looks kind of not interesting. I don't think he looks that great.

Eric: [laughs] What?

Andrew: I don't know, he looks like a - I don't - it just looks like he's wearing a mask, I guess.

Eric: Well, you can only see him if you are really creative with your freeze-framing.

Andrew: Yeah. We're using QuickTime.

Eric: Otherwise it's... [laughs]

Micah: Well, what you're saying, Eric, is anybody who normally would watch this trailer and not pause it would just think Voldemort is shooting a spell and it's hitting somebody.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That's true.

Eric: Yeah, and hitting a student. Yeah.

Scene-by-Scene: Bodies Falling in the Water

Andrew: All right, then there's a quick shot of bodies falling in the water. Again, that's kind of lending to the whole watching this very quickly, not going [laughs] frame by frame like we are.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: We're essentially destroying the trailer by going frame by frame. [laughs]

Eric: Well, that only works if the film doesn't hold up as well - the trailer doesn't hold up as well, if we pick it apart.

Scene-by-Scene: Voldemort Screaming

Andrew: At 27 seconds we see Voldemort with his mouth wide open, and this is obviously when he made that little scream.

Eric: [laughs] No, it's not though. We see him make the scream later in the trailer.

Andrew: Well, he does it a few times.

Micah: He's just an angry man.

Eric: Well, here he's...

Andrew: Yeah, whatever.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Who cares.

[Eric laughs]

Scene-by-Scene: Body Falling

Andrew: We see - very quick shot of bodies falling at 28 seconds and then at twenty - yeah, at the end of 28 seconds you see a body falling. Almost looks like it doesn't hit the ground, it may be resting an inch above ground, kind of like in Order of the Phoenix when the...

Eric: Well, that effect appears in this film.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: But not at this moment. This is Malfoy Manor, this is when he's angry at everybody because Harry broke into the vault.

Micah: It almost...

Andrew: I'm talking about that body with the hat on it.

Eric: Yeah, yeah, the body.

Andrew: The guy wearing the hat, 28 seconds.

Eric: Yeah, that totally - it makes the loud thunder sound of falling and hitting the ground.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Why would you say it didn't hit the ground?

Andrew: Because it's a trailer.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: They manipulate everything.

Eric: That's true.

Scene-by-Scene: Malfoy Manor

Andrew: The best shot is at thirty - well, first at 29 seconds. A wide shot of Malfoy Manor, Voldemort walking barefoot. This is like - either one of you two just mentioned Bellatrix - realizing that the vault was broken into. You see Draco in the background. Very cool shots.

Micah: So is he cursed or has he killed all these Death Eaters?

Andrew: I think killed.

Eric: They're not getting back up.

Micah: Okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Oh, but they're not all Death Eaters. A lot of them - I think it's actually - if I'm remembering correctly it's goblins. It's nearly all of the goblins.

Andrew: Yeah. You can tell they're goblins, too, a couple of them.

Eric: A couple of them. It's just the officials of Gringotts who have obviously broken the news to Voldemort that his vault - or Bellatrix's vault has been...

Andrew: Robbed.

Eric: He brings them there to torture them and kill them.

Micah: Oh okay. So this is Malfoy Manor, it's just...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It's like he went and seized all of these goblins and brought them in for questioning.

Eric: Yeah. Or they came to him. I feel like there has to be sort of a...

Andrew: It's probably their duty to come to him.

Eric: Their duty?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, something like that.

Andrew: Of course we also see Nagini there, too.

Eric: Hmm.

Scene-by-Scene: Trio Looking at Sky

Andrew: And then advancing to 32 seconds we see the trio looking up at the sky. Based on some information from WB in the past, I am pretty sure this is when they are in Hogsmeade and a Patronus had been sent.

Eric: Oh. Yeah, I don't know what this is.

Andrew: It's hard to tell because it's a close-up shot of them, but I'm 99% sure.

Eric: Yeah, they're against a tarp or something.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Interesting.

Scene-by-Scene: Gringotts Carts

Andrew: Advancing to 33 seconds and 34 seconds we see some special effects that were probably not in the test screening, Eric.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: It's when they're moving through Gringotts and...

Eric: This - yeah.

Andrew: Hmm? Go ahead.

Eric: And the cart is spinning. This was the point in the film when there was a title card instead of a special effect and it said something like, "A cavernous and vestigious pit is revealed."

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: Or - there was some V word. It was funny.

Andrew: Got Griphook in the front.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Harry, Ron, Bellatrix/Hermione...

Eric: And Bellatrix.

Andrew: the back.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Now, who is behind Griphook? Is that Travers?

Eric: It's another goblin, isn't it, Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah and he's under Imperio.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Because - to help them get into the vault.

Eric: Yeah, there may be a slight departure from the book but it's not - I think it's very slight in the break in scene.

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