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MuggleCast 228 Transcript

Show Intro

["Hedwig's Theme" plays]

Micah: Because even we can make you invisible for less than $430, this is MuggleCast Episode 228 for May 12th, 2011.

[Show music begins]

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Andrew: Welcome everyone to MuggleCast Episode 228! Micah, Eric, and I are here this week. Hello gentlemen.

Eric: Hello.

Micah: Hello Andrew.

Andrew: We apologize for the late release. We know you like to rely on us for a new episode every other Sunday but we kind of dropped the ball this week. Apologies. But at any rate, we're here, we're square, and we're everywhere.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: And I just came up with the worst intro ever.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Micah, what's in the news?

Micah: I was going to let you slide there, Andrew, but you caught yourself. So...

Eric: Good for you.

News: Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 & 2 Win Two National Movie Awards

Micah: A little bit of news going on, actually, as we are recording the show: Deathly Hallows - Part 1 and Part 2 won awards tonight at the National Movie Awards in the UK. Deathly Hallows - Part 1 won for Best Fantasy and Deathly Hallows - Part 2 picked up - I think it was Most Anticipated Summer Movie.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Something like that.

Eric: It's about all it can win having not been released.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Right.

Micah: But...

Eric: Right when you were announcing that news, I was like, "Hey, what could it possibly win? Oh, Most Anticipated."

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Best Finale Movie of the Summer.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Exactly. There you go.

Andrew: Best Part 2 Film Ever.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: But David Heyman, David Barron, and Bonnie Wright were there. They accepted the awards and - it is interesting, though, to see the Potter series get some level of recognition, because it doesn't very often get it here in the US. It seems to get more in the UK, obviously that's where the movies are made and the story is based, but you would think with the success that it's had that we would see a little bit more recognition here in the United States.

Andrew: It's still not over yet though.

Micah: I know.

Andrew: Probably once it ends, everybody will start throwing some awards at them.

Micah: That'd be nice.

Eric: [laughs] I don't know. It's funny, it's David Yates, David Heyman, and Bonnie Wright. [laughs] Did they just call her up, "What are you doing Wednesday night? Let's go to some awards." [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It's kind of cool.

Andrew: "Can you break away from Jamie Campbell for a little bit to be with us?"

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: "Your old friends?"

Eric: Right.

Andrew: "Uncle Heyman and Barron?"

Eric: "Remember us?" Yeah.

News: Strong Sales Continue for Deathly Hallows - Part 1 DVD

Micah: [laughs] All right. Well, also in the news, Deathly Hallows - Part 1 the DVD is continuing big sales. Or actually, according to this article, despite strong sales during its first week, the Part 1 DVD/Blu-ray did continue its reign at the top of the sales chart. This was back on May 4th. And the article said that:

"The film boosted overall consumer spending on DVDs and Blu-ray discs by the double, and giving the home entertainment business some very good news in the wake of a very weak first quarter that spawned negative 'disc is dead' headlines all over the country."

Eric: So what you're saying is - what I take from that is, despite the lack of special features, fans are still buying the DVD?

Micah: Well no, it...

Andrew: Well, what they're saying is in an age where everybody kind of relies on Netflix and Redbox, Potter fans are still picking up the - they want to purchase the DVD for themselves, and one advantage is that with Netflix and Redbox you don't get the special features discs.

Eric: That's true.

Andrew: You just get the movie.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So I think that's what they're talking about here.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. And again, it was a little bit disappointing that there wasn't much available on the DVD itself, other than the film. I think that the idea behind it was to push the Blu-ray, but they could have missed the boat. I think they could have probably increased sales even more if they would've made certain features available on the DVD.

Andrew: Yeah. And also, fans just want a copy for their collection.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: It's true. I've argued this before with the future being streaming movies. A lot of people really feel streaming movies, that's the way to do it. It is really convenient, but I think there's something to having a physical copy in your hand.

Micah: Sure.

Eric: I think that's why vinyl hasn't died. But when I pointed that out to somebody they said, "Well, vinyl is dead because [laughs] it's relegated to these small stores." But yeah, same difference, I think. People always want to own it and have it on a shelf, and...

Andrew: For fandoms like Harry Potter, definitely.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Nobody is looking for a - nobody is looking to purchase Adam Lambert: Glam Nation Live...

Eric: Man, Adam Lambert...

Andrew: watch multiple times.

Eric: Glam Nation is his best show yet. Is it a show?

Andrew: It's - yeah, a concert.

Andrew and

Eric: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: What else is going on, Micah?

News: Deathly Hallows Set Visit Preview

Micah: Well, you recently posted a set report. You were on the set of Deathly Hallows, I won't say Part 1 and Part 2. You kind of were able to see both at the same time since they were filming them both at the same time. And...

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Tell us. What can you reveal?

Andrew: Well, we can't - I just released a teaser.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: We can't release the whole set report yet. [laughs]

Micah: Why not?

Andrew: [laughs] So...

Micah: The movie is...

Andrew: So what I did...

Micah: ...less than two months away. This is ridiculous. You should be able to say whatever you want. There's trailers out there, people who have already seen the movie including two out of the three people on this show. Why can't you say anything more?

Andrew: Because they just have lots of rules in place.

Micah: They embargoed you?

Andrew: Yes, exactly. It's an embargo.

Micah: And what happens if you break that embargo? This is the last movie, what are they going to do to you?

Andrew: Well, now that I live in LA, WB will personally drive to my apartment and firebomb it.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Firebomb it?

Andrew: Whether it's the last film or not we still want to stay in the good graces of Warner Bros. so in the teaser I didn't say much, but I did say there's going to be in my Part 2 set report - the full one that will probably be released in the next month or two. Before the film is released it'll definitely be out - I'll be able to talk about the scene that I saw being filmed. It's actually - now that I've seen Part 2 in Chicago at the test screening, I can say it's actually definitely one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

Eric: Ooh!

Andrew: And I also talk about some interesting quotes from Stuart Craig, Dan Radcliffe, some other crazy things, too...

Micah: If I'm not mistaken...

Andrew: ...including who I ran into while I was at the urinal.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: Whoa!

Micah: Well, I mean...

Andrew: I'm completely kidding. [laughs]

Micah: I'm sure everybody will want to hear that.

Eric: It was a guy, right?

Andrew: I'll stop that one.

Eric: [laughs] It's like...

Andrew: No, but I think I've said on the show, that was my one worst fear, was going to the bathroom, and then like Jason Isaacs walks in and - what do you say? What do you do?

Eric: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: I don't know what I would do.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: In the bathroom with an actor.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Anyway, so the full report will be out in probably a month, or maybe a little bit over a month.

Eric: Yeah, Andrew, as a quick question while we're talking about that, how do they - because it was two set visits at the same time. Did they just blindfold you and take you to a chamber and say...

Andrew: No.

Eric: ..."This is Part 1 being filmed, this is is Part 2"?

Andrew: No, no.

Eric: How did they separate it?

Andrew: When I was there, I was seeing Part 2 filming, and when we did interviews with the different cast members we talked about both Parts 1 and 2. The set report was of course done back in - we went there March 2010.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: Or March - yeah, March 2010. It was actually St. Patrick's Day.

Eric: Oh!

Andrew: So - yeah, and we saw some sets from Part 1, costumes, props, all that good stuff.

Eric: Right, cool. Can't wait to see that preview.

Andrew: And you can read the Part 1 set report now on MuggleNet.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I linked to it in the news post teasing the Part 2 set report.

Eric: Because they've allowed you to talk about Part 1 now.

Andrew: Right. Well, the funny thing was they said, "Okay, you can only talk about Part 1 in your Part 1 set report," but we were like, "Well, where does Part 1 end? You've got to tell us that."

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: "We don't know how much or little to talk about until you tell us where the split is."

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And wasn't there some type of incident occurred the night that you were at the set?

Andrew: No, it was like right afterwards.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: The fire on the set.

Eric: Oh, the fire, yeah.

Micah: Oh, so it's possible that you could have caused that.

Andrew: Yeah, if I let one of my cigarettes burn or something.

Micah: Oh.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don't smoke, I'm just kidding.

Micah: Smoking is bad. We do not endorse smoking in any way...

Andrew: Absolutely not.

Micah: ...on this show.

Eric: No. Smoking kills.

News: Empire Magazine to Include Special Potter Feature

Micah: But speaking of Deathly Hallows - Part 2, in the upcoming issue of Empire Magazine that's going to be on newsstands May 26th, they are going to have a special feature, kind of its own separate magazine, called Harry Potter: The Ultimate Celebration. And it's a huge 36-page feature with tons of interviews, and they said even some never-before-seen photos behind the scenes, and I think it's going to be something that a lot of Potter fans are going to be interested in. A lot of magazines are probably going to be doing this type of thing as we get closer to the release of the movie, but they claim that they traveled the world to get interviews with pretty much every cast member - major cast member from the film over the course of the last ten years, so it's not just people that are going to be in Part 2. It's probably going all the way back to Sorcerer's Stone.

Eric: Yeah. Can we expect Ian Hart, Kenneth Branagh, some of the older crew?

Andrew: I hope so.

Eric: That would be really, really cool.

Andrew: Yeah, it would.

Eric: And that was actually what I found most interesting, that they traveled the world. It's like Empire sent people out to find these actors and talk to them as opposed to just doing a tele-conference. That's the way it sounded, anyway.

Andrew: And plus they found these actors to take these beautiful pictures of each one of them.

Eric: Yeah, which I can't wait to see.

Andrew: Yeah, me too.

Eric: How they've all aged.

Andrew: I mean, traveling the world - presumably they conducted the interview with Dan while he was in New York, so they went over at least one ocean...

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: work on this feature.

Eric: Yeah.

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News: Emma Watson Denies Rumors of Being Bullied at Brown University

Micah: All right, and what is this news that - do I need to go up to Brown University?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Oh, what do you mean? And bully her because she wasn't? What do you mean "what is this news"?

Micah: Well, I see news there that Emma Watson denied rumors of being bullied at Brown University, and I guess this was all because of her decision to leave, right? She's no longer a full-time student there.

Eric: She says she doesn't know.

Andrew: There are rumors - right. This is the weird thing. At first there were rumors that she was being bullied. Then the publicist came out and said, "It wasn't because she was bullied, but she is leaving Brown." And then Emma came out with a statement saying, "I am leaving. It wasn't because of Brown, but it's only temporary." She said she was not done. She said she wasn't sure if she was completely done with Brown. She said:

"Like my other fellow Brown students I am trying to figure out my third year and whether or not I will spend it abroad. This is common."

So she's not dropping out, but the publicist made it sound like she was. So I don't know what's going on.

Eric: And there are no bullying - there's no bullying going on either, and she actually...

Andrew: Right.

Eric: She went so far as to say - there was this news story - I only heard it through word of mouth - of certain instances at Brown that she discredited as well. So she's fine. She's just schooling at Brown. She really likes it.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, it's college. Once you get to college - and everybody knows this. Once you get to college, the bullying goes away. There's no real bullying going on.

Eric: No.

Andrew: It was just a good tabloid story, "Emma Watson goes to an American college and gets bullied." There was that funny story about Emma [laughs] correctly answering a question in class and somebody yelled out, "Ten points to Gryffindor!" [laughs] But it was completely made up. It wasn't true. It was just a funny rumor.

Micah: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And if you think about it, over the course of the years that we've done this podcast there really hasn't been that many stories that are like this, where you have some of the main actors or actresses - where it's almost like a tabloid-type story.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And this is just such senseless stuff. They're just looking for something to grab ahold of and essentially create news, because apparently there's not enough real news out there.

Eric: Well, now that we're done...

Andrew: And Micah, you...

Eric: [laughs] ...getting angry at journalists...

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Well, "journalists."

News: Invisibility Cloak for Sale at

Andrew: So, Micah, you now have the ridiculous story of the week. Please tell us what it is.

Micah: Yes, the ridiculous story of the week belongs to the, and it going ahead and putting up the Invisibility Cloak, except that it doesn't promise to make you invisible. For $429.95...

[Eric laughs]

Micah: can't even do that for you.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: It cannot.

Micah: So...

Andrew: This is...

Micah: Let me tell people out there right now - and we love WB and the WB Shop is a great place to go for products that you might want to buy if you're a fan of the Harry Potter series, that you can actually utilize. Kids, listeners, go to your bed, take a blanket, put it over your head, and pretend it's an invisibility cloak, okay?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Right.

Eric: You will save so much money.

Micah: You don't need to pay $430.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: You know, WB has come up with some good merchandise over the years. They recently just released a personalized acceptance letter. I think that is a really cool idea.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: We posted about it last week. But an invisibility cloak for $430, you would think for that price it would actually make you invisible!

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Yeah. For that price, you're exactly right. The most I would pay for a Harry Potter invisibility cloak - and it looks nice, it looks like the one in the films. It will probably be really fun to have. The most I would pay for that cloak, I think, if I was really crazy and I just had a birthday or Christmas, 175 to 200 dollars, without shipping.

Andrew: Right. Because that's the cost of the regular cloaks, right?

Eric: Is it? Well yeah, and I mean, I used to...

Andrew: When you buy a Gryffindor cloak.

Eric: Gryffindor cloaks, yeah, $150. And it's not even that, it's an invisibility cloak. In a way, it's less recognizable even though it is modeled after the one in the films.

Andrew: Yeah. I just...

Eric: So $429 - I just don't know where they get their figures, where they get the - what kind of demographic - what kind of surveys they do to say, "Okay, it'll be totally cool if we charge this price for this cloak." And some of the comments on the MuggleNet post, they're really funny. I urge everybody to read them.

Andrew: I'm sure it's authentic. I mean, I'm sure it looks really detailed which is nice.

Eric: Yeah. Some of the people said it was - that they had seen this before on the WB Shop. I thought this was new news, because they posted it on their Facebook about twelve hours prior to my posting the news. So if it is old, fine, [laughs] but it's news to us. And $429.95...

Andrew: Well, there's zero ratings, so either nobody's bought it...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: ...since it's been around or it was just added. And it is featured on the home page, so I think it's just added. They may have just added it.

Eric: Okay. So take that.

Announcement: LeakyCon 2011

Micah: You know, Andrew? You could go to LeakyCon for less money than that.

Andrew: Oh, what a great...

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Wow, Micah. This is why you're still around. Yeah, we'd like to remind everybody we are going to be at - or at LeakyCon, not the website. But you can find information there, too. I bet, actually, you'll be able to find a couple of people who will have purchased this cloak or are wearing one very much like it, at LeakyCon. And it's going to be...

Micah: And you want to befriend them [laughs] because clearly, they have a lot of money.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Right, exactly. You may want to wed them. The conference is being held July 13th to the 17th in Orlando, Florida. You already know this. It's going to be at the Universal Orlando Resort where The Wizarding World of Harry Potter theme park is located. It is over the release of Deathly Hallows - Part 2, so it is really going to be a very cool event. There's going to be a ball, there's going to be special events, there's going to be an opening feast. They just announced their party in the park. It is called "Open at the Close." It's an additional ticket on top of your LeakyCon registration, but you'll be able to gain access to the park from 2:00 PM on until 1:30 in the morning. From 10:00 PM until 1:30 in the morning, it will be closed, only available to LeakyCon attendees who have purchased this additional park ticket. With the party in the park ticket, you get access to Universal's Islands of Adventure, you get access to the party, you get free Butterbeer and food. Unlimited Butterbeer and food. You heard me right! It's going to be dangerous. I mean, the Butterbeer is so addictive, and the fact that you can keep getting Butterbeer after Butterbeer, it's not - do not mix it with alcohol, ladies and gentlemen. They will not be good for your stomach. But [laughs] do enjoy all the Butterbeer you can handle.

Micah: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Well, the other thing, I thought, that they pointed out was, [laughs] there's not going to be this little - what did we have to go to last year before the actual park opening event?

Andrew: It will be - it was like a pre-event.

Eric: Oh. It's the pre-event that shall not be named.

Andrew: "Look how amazing" stadium event.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: There was a stadium event...

Micah: Basically it cut into the time that everybody could spend at the park, so...

Andrew: Right.

Micah:'s good to know that...

Eric: Well, that is why people from Leaky spent all their time last year at Infinitus writing down notes.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Taking notes of everything HPEF had done wrong.

Andrew: "Ix-nay on stadium event-ay." [laughs]

Eric: That's exactly why LeakyCon...

Andrew: Well, you know what? I'm sure that wasn't HPEF's idea. I think Universal really wanted that to show everybody how amazing Universal was. And it also gave them time to set up in the park, set up all the tables.

Eric: Yeah, which they did...

Andrew: All the extra Butterbeer and stuff.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I kind of understood it. But they're doing it without it this year so that's great. When you do sign up, use code "Muggle" and that way we can track all the MuggleCast fans who will be coming. Not literally track, we won't know your GPS location or anything. We're just...

Eric: Unless you send it to us.

Andrew: We'll just know how many MuggleCast listeners are coming. Right, unless you send it to us. And we can't wait to see you there. We're going to be doing a podcast, of course. We're going to be doing our live movie - well, I say live. I mean, I would like to stream it live online, we're not sure about that yet, but would like to - we're going to do our big movie review episode there, so we'll talk to everybody. It's going to be a lot of fun because people will be able to come to the mic, give us their thoughts on Part 2, argue with Micah as he says he hated it, worst film ever, etc. etc.

Micah: I'd never say that.

Announcement: Hypable

Andrew: It's going to be a lot of fun. And also I have to plug something else this week, it's actually a new site from a couple of people, myself included, who have run MuggleNet over the years. A few months ago we realized there was a problem with entertainment sites, and the problem is there's not a MuggleNet of sorts for entertainment sites. You can go to Entertainment Weekly or Perez, you can go to TMZ, Oh No They Didn't!, but they don't give you complete coverage for particular fandoms. So we made this site called >Hypable, H-Y-P-A-B-L-E dot com. It is a MuggleNet for multiple fandoms: Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, Glee, Doctor Who, Idol, Gaga, Adele, Katy Perry, Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, Dexter, The Hobbit, True Blood, Weeds. You name it, we got it. It is complete coverage for all these fandoms. We're currently covering 27 and we're continuing to add more. Soon - we haven't announced this yet, but soon we're going to be covering Fringe, Supernatural, and Vampire Diaries. Those are our next three that we're going to be launching. So if you're looking for complete coverage about the fandoms you care about, go to, H-Y-P-A-B-L-E. We promise you'll get the stories quick and you'll get all the stories, and that is something other entertainment sites do not give you.

Eric: Wait, which part?

Andrew: So visit Both. They don't give it to you quick and they don't give everything to you.

Eric: Oh! Looks like they have a...

Andrew: We're everything, Eric.

Eric: ...superiority complex, they think they can just withhold the news and hold it from the world because they can.

Andrew: Well, and they're not - they don't care about the fandoms. The people who write about the fandoms on Hypable are true fans. There's no corporate big-wig sitting at his desk deciding which stuff they're going to cover and which not. These are real fans. It's a MuggleNet for multiple fandoms, that's the best way I can describe it.

Micah: Have you added Game of Thrones?

Andrew: No. We have been reporting on it lightly. We do some miscellaneous news coverage as well, but no. Have you been watching that? Is it good?

Micah: It is. It's an interesting show. I know it's a whole book series that I haven't had a chance to read yet, but it seems pretty cool. It seems like a lot of people out there who are fans of MuggleNet and MuggleCast would be interested in it as well because it's kind of that fantasy genre.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, and the books are legendary from what I've heard.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Hmm.

Micah: And it already got picked up again.

Andrew: HBO...

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: HBO can really do no wrong.

Micah: No, they really can't.

Andrew: So it's definitely a series...

Micah: They really can't.

Andrew: Yeah. So check it out...

Eric: So, once again,

[Micah laughs]

Eric: If you don't know how to spell it, go on - has it in three separate places on the main page right now.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric and

Micah: H-Y-P-A-B-L-E dot com.


Andrew: You guys love my reads.

[Micah laughs]

Chapter-by-Chapter Introductory Facts: Order of the Phoenix

Andrew: I appreciate that. Thank you, I'm very flattered. Okay, now we're going to move on to Chapter-by-Chapter. We're starting a new book today! Order of the Phoenix, Chapters 1 and 2 we're looking at. I've said this so many times, it is my favorite book in the series and I'm so excited that we're finally going to go very in-depth on this book.

Eric: Okay, how about Micah, you take all the introductory facts? You take all the introductory facts.

Andrew: Yeah, you tell us since you're not doing a chapter this week.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Oh yeah, that's - well, I did do a chapter, but it may show up in the next episode.

Eric: [whispers] It's getting cut.

Micah: Or it will show up in the next episode. So Order of the Phoenix was released back on June 21st, 2003. It had an initial print-run of 6.5 million copies in the US and 5 million copies sold worldwide in the first 24 hours. Now...

Andrew: Let me stop you right there. Do you remember where you guys were? Did you guys go to midnight book releases for this one?

Eric: Yes! I absolutely do.

Micah: No.

Eric: This is the first book release - this is my first time since becoming a Harry Potter fan that I got to go to a book release.

Andrew: Oh!

Eric: And what a book release it was! It was the Oak Park, Illinois actually, which...

Andrew: Oh right, the MuggleNet one.

Eric: Well, MuggleNet and the town of Oak Park and Wizarding World Press, the published authors, all did - we did Wizards Chess in the middle of the street and it was absolutely wonderful. All the shops were turned into Diagon Alley. It was absolutely awesome, great, fantastic time. And then we got the book. So that was actually - that positive experience in Oak Park, Illinois is one of the main, main reasons I live in Chicago today, for the past three years.

Andrew: Wow!

Eric: So this was...

Andrew: Yeah...

Eric: ...kind of good cracking open this book again to do Chapter-by-Chapter, because it just reminded me of that good time that was nine years ago.

Micah: Wow!

Eric: Or eight years ago.

Andrew: I also went to a book release, it was my second one, and I went to a local bookstore. And it was packed, of course, absolutely packed. I went with a couple of friends. And I still remember so distinctly opening up the book and reading the first paragraph out loud to my friends because we were walking out. Of course everybody was really excited so we all kind of - I just remember opening it up and seeing that picture of Harry sitting in the grass.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And it was good. And then I got sick so I didn't pick up the book. For some reason I lost interest in reading it, so I didn't actually start reading it for another five days or something. [laughs]

Eric: You got sick?! Was it nerves?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: No. Oh, maybe, I don't know.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: But to answer your question though, I actually didn't pick up a Potter book until 2004 so I wasn't on the gravy train yet.

Eric: And only one year later, he would be on MuggleCast, pretending to know a lot more.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I still pretend to know a lot more.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Oh come on, I was joking. You know a lot. You're a good man.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: Give us some other facts.

Micah: The first book published after a Potter film adaptation was released, and in fact two film adaptations were released to theaters and to home video before Book 5 came out. That's an interesting fact.

Eric: Yeah. So there was a little bit of a gap, you guys remember? The first four Potter books came out year after year after year. And after the fourth book came out - the fourth book was huge, twice the size of the previous books. JK Rowling said, "Okay, that was too much too soon, I felt rushed," and to this day, even on her website, she said that she feels that Book 4 was rushed and she vowed never to do it again. So Book 5 came out three years after Book 4, and in that time they were able to have Movies 1 and 2 in theaters. Huge, huge success! And it also brought lots of new Harry Potter fans to read the books such as, well, myself included.

Micah: It was 870 pages, and as you note it's 111 pages longer than Deathly Hallows, 218 pages longer than Half-Blood Prince, and it has the most chapters in a Potter book by just one chapter, 38, and it goes up against Goblet of Fire and Deathly Hallows both for that honor. So it showed that she took three years to write the book.

Eric: Yeah, it did. It's a long book.

Micah: In terms of how long it was.

Eric: I still - that's what I'm most looking forward to in this Chapter-by-Chapter segment, is that reading this book again for it, I'm going to remember a lot because I feel like Book 5 - I just forget all sorts of stuff. So much happens! It's essentially the longest year in Harry's life as a result of it being the biggest book. So, so much happens on these pages.

Micah: Yeah, and you also noted that over 7,000 books were stolen...

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Britain a week before the release. I actually remember this story. There was a similar one, I think, with Half-Blood Prince, too.

Eric: Yeah, involving a gun.

Micah: I think that was in Germany. Was that in Germany?

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I can't remember. But yeah, this always seemed to be sort of the story to expect as you got closer and closer to release, that somebody was going to steal a copy of the book and put it out online.

Eric: [laughs] "Snape kills Dumbledore."

Micah: Yeah. And you noted that the dedication in this book was: "To Neil, Jessica, and David, who make my world magical."

Andrew: Awww.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, so a lot of other things happened in JK Rowling's life between Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix. She married her husband and had a son as well, I believe. So pretty cool.

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