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MuggleCast 231 Transcript

Show Intro

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Micah: Because we're just about five days away from getting Pottermore - or is it more Potter? - this is MuggleCast Episode 231 for June 18th, 2011.

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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 231! It is a big, big episode. I think it's fair to say this may be one of the biggest episodes we've done in a long time. And to talk about the news that's been going on over the past couple of weeks, we have here Micah, Eric, Matt, and of course, your fantastic host, me!

Eric: Yay!

Matt: Woo!

Andrew: And we're not doing Chapter-by-Chapter this week because like I said, there's a lot of news. There's too much news and this episode may be close to two hours. [fake sobbing]

Eric: Oh no!

Andrew: Even without Chapter-by-Chapter. So, I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: And I'm Matthew Britton.

Andrew: Micah, what is in the news this week?

Micah: Not a thing.

Andrew: Not a thing?

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Then we should have had Chapter-by-Chapter.

Eric: Yeah. We're going to get e-mails.

News: Pottermore

Micah: It's been a very busy news week. Let's start with the mysterious Pottermore.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: And Andrew, you were involved in this whole process of revealing the name, and - tell us a little bit about it.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: I mean, what you can, obviously, and how it all came about.

Andrew: Yeah, I'll run through what happened - or what's happened over the past week. Basically JK Rowling - this new project she has, Pottermore - clearly she wanted to get the fan sites involved so on Tuesday of this past week, multiple fan sites each had a coordinate for fans to punch in to a map and when you punched in the coordinates - like you're a little hacker, you're punching these GPS coordinates - it brings you to a location important to Jo/the Harry Potter world, and you go into Street View and you could see a giant letter there. Now, it's not actually there, it was virtually inserted. So anyway, there were ten of these coordinates, made up ten letters, people slowly got each letter. They weren't in order, you had to put them together yourself, and they revealed the name of this project called Pottermore. And fans were really excited. Then the next day, all the fan sites as well as a lot of the official sites such as Bloomsbury, Scholastic, the official Harry Potter movie website, and a bunch of Harry Potter fan sites, all added these banners that say, "The owls are gathering." And you can click them, you can click the banner, and it brings you to a YouTube page which is counting down to June 23rd, where JK Rowling will be making a momentous announcement on YouTube. And if you notice these banners, guys, are really clever because more and more owls are showing up by the day on the banner.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: It's kind of a...

Micah: Who's cleaning up after them?

Matt: I know.

Eric: Yeah, that's the real question.

Matt: You never see under the tree.

Andrew: Oh no, you see the poop. It's showing up on the MuggleNet design right below it.

Eric: Oh no.

Matt: Oh, and you can mouse over it and what will happen?

Andrew: You sweep it up.

Matt: Oh.

Eric: Well, Micah, you know those guys who stole the Harry Potter books and leaked them early in past years, at gunpoint and stuff? I bet their community service is they have to clean up after those owls.

Micah: Oh, that makes sense.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: They - [laughs] it's kind of a fitting punishment.

Andrew: So the fan sites have worked - one representative from multiple fan sites has worked with JK Rowling's people on putting this together. I was lucky enough to represent MuggleNet. I did get a sneak preview of Pottermore. Obviously, I can't say what it is, and I hate being that guy who's like, "I know what it is but I'm not telling you."

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: So, I will say it is really cool, and - na na na na na - no, just kidding.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I want to hear the theories from you guys. Obviously, everybody is trying to speculate what the hell is JK Rowling announcing. I've got to say, the name is awesome because people love hearing "Pottermore," more Potter. That's what they want to hear right now, when...

Eric: Well, is it Pottermore, or is it more Potter?

Andrew: No, it is Pottermore.

Eric: Obviously it's Pottermore, so that's - what does that mean? What is Pottermore?

Micah: Well, technically speaking, that's more Potter, so...

Andrew: Right.

Micah:'s both.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: It's not more Potter, though. It's Pottermore.

Andrew: Well... [laughs]

Matt: For some reason, I keep connecting Pottermore with Paramore.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yes, and I hate that. Somebody said that to me the other day and now all I think of is, [singing] "Whoa, whatever makes you break."

Eric: So, how about this title for JK Rowling's next project? This is the next project, this is the next thing she's doing since completing the Harry Potter books, Pottermore. What's...

Andrew: And when you think about it, it comes at such a good time, when Warner Bros...

Eric: It does.

Andrew: The three words - the four words coming out of their mouth is, "It all ends here."

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: And sometimes just, "It all ends." [laughs]

Andrew: Right, right.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So...

Micah: And JK Rowling turns around and says, "Well, not really."

Andrew: Yeah, right. Right. Warner Bros. is like, "Ugh, come on!"

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: "We're trying to market the end here and you're saying there's more."

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Micah: Yeah, what did you guys think about that, though? I mean, she makes this huge announcement right before the film comes out. Isn't she taking away from it a little bit, or do you think she's adding to it?

Andrew: No.

Eric: Well, the announcement is that there's going to be an announcement at this point. It's so weird, people are saying, "JKR announces Pottermore, da da da," but we actually haven't heard from her. The fan sites, we dealt with JKR's people doing these coordinates. We still actually haven't heard from Jo. She hasn't tweeted for the seventh time on her Twitter. She actually created a brand new - there's a Pottermore Twitter to handle Pottermore stuff. So I just - we haven't heard from Jo yet. I'm itching to actually hear what she has to say about this. I can't wait for the announcement.

Andrew: So, Micah, what do you speculate Pottermore could be?

Micah: Well, I would think that it has some tie to the encyclopedia because that's the only thing that we know that she's going to be working on that is related to Potter. That's definite. She has stated that she would do an encyclopedia at some point in the future. So, I'm not sure how it ties in or if there's more to it, but I do think it has something to do with the encyclopedia.

Andrew: How about you, Eric?

Eric: Well, we can assume that it does have to do with Harry Potter, right? Because it's called Pottermore, obviously.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes.

Eric: So, I just - I don't know what it's going to be. It's online. Whatever it is, it's online, and I think, Andrew, even in your post you said it's not a new Harry Potter book.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: This announcement is not a new Harry Potter book, so it's something online and I just feel like it's going to be either a resource or just a really cool place with content from Jo, like an online - somehow she's going to work a way into releasing - providing new content, much like she used to do on her own website, but it'll be themed and it will have certain rules to it, and maybe it'll be like an online community. Just looking at the logo that was released on - I think it's the YouTube channel, it looks kind of - I don't want to say "cartoony" but it looks like it's supposed to be something that's inviting a lot of people to come partake in this experience. That's just what I gathered from it. So I think it'll be an online - like a place where Harry Potter fans can gather and there'll be new, directly-from-Jo Potter content.

Andrew: How about you, Matt?

Matt: I haven't - all I really know is that it has to be a companion to the original series because - I don't really know, because the name really throws me off because to be honest, it's a weird name.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: It's a weird title for anything.

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: Pottermore.

Eric: And this is the woman who gave us Xenophilius Lovegood, Rufus Scrimgeour, Dedalus Diggle.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: I mean, there are other names that she pulled out of a hat, for crying out loud.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Pottermore? Ehhh, I'm not sold on it. Sorry, Matt.

Matt: Yeah, I keep thinking either Paramore or The Raven with "nevermore," you know?

[Eric laughs]

Matt: So I think you're right, Eric. It probably will be something online because the fact is that she made Pottermore one word together, so it would be easy to put on a website or something. It's just - to think of it as - I really hope it's not an encyclopedia because I want like a ten-word title for the encyclopedia like "The-Realization-That-The-Harry Potter-World-Is-Over Companion: The Encyclopedia of Harry Potter" or something like that.

Eric: Mhm. Instead of Pottermore.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: Well...

Matt: Pottermore is just one word, nice and simple, so it seems like it would be easy to put on a website.

Eric: Well, I've always argued, too - look, there is an online encyclopedia for Harry Potter, it's called the Lexicon.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And what it is, though - it's a summary of - or it's all the facts that exist in the already-existing Harry Potter books, are compiled and...

Matt: Well, Eric, do you think that it might be a social network though?

Eric: Well, it could be. I mean...

Andrew: That's the thing. A lot of people have thought they were really clever by digging up the trademark and one of the things that the trademark for Pottermore covers is some legal verbiage like [deepens voice] "a computer-to-computer social network, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah," [normal voice] and everybody was like, "Oh, it must mean it's a social network."

Eric: Well, what does it say?

Matt: No.

Eric: What does it say specifically? What's the trademark?

Matt: But do you think people actually - do you think if it was a social network, do you really think it'll stand on it's own and last? I mean, we've seen a lot of these kind of things.

Eric: But it's coming from Jo.

Matt: It's coming from Jo, okay, but even if it did come from Jo only the hardcore Harry Potter fans will go on it.

Micah: I'll be the pessimist. I'll be the pessimist. I'll say, no, it wouldn't last. I don't think so, because you're going to have to be providing content to it on such a regular basis. And I don't know, maybe it's something where she consistently releases information about the Potter series over a period of time, but even then, how long can that go on for?

Eric: Well, I think...

Micah: Unless it's already pre-programmed into the site to release at certain dates.

Eric: That's the thing. Wasn't Pottermore - the trademark was trademarked like three years ago, wasn't it?

Matt: Yeah, it was like in 2008.

Eric: That name.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] So, she was set on that name for a very long - she must really like it. Well, the other thing is we don't know what it's for so I hope the name - final thing about the name for me, I hope it fits the content. I'm sure it will. Obviously it will, because...

Matt: She did announce that it's going to be just as good as a new book.

Eric: Well, was that JK Rowling or Andrew Sims? Which one said it was going to be just as good?

Andrew: The news post that was made on MuggleNet and multiple fan sites was the verbiage that JK Rowling's people wanted us to use, exactly.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: We couldn't change it.

Eric: So, just as exciting.

Andrew: Just as exciting as - it's not a book, but we believe it to be just as exciting.

Eric: Well, hang on...

Andrew: The trademark, by the way - just to throw it out there - is, quote:

"Providing multiple user access to a global computer information network, online chat rooms, and electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among users in the field of general interest, and online facilities for real-time interaction with other computer users concerning topics of general interest."

So, it's a very broad statement.

Eric: Hmm, I hear forums, I hear chatrooms, I hear...

Matt: Oh, I hope not.

Eric: ...maybe, online - like MuggleNet Interactive or Leaky - Leaky has an interactive, don't they? Where you go and buy spells and stuff? I hear all that stuff in that trademark. But...

Matt: I really hope it's not, because - I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad idea at all. I'm just saying, to say it's just as exciting as a new book... [laughs]

Andrew: You don't think a chatroom is just as exciting as a new book?

[Eric laughs]

Matt: No, because there's a million chatrooms!

Eric: But it's Jo!

Matt: Or more than a million.

Eric: It's Jo.

Andrew: [laughs] It's Jo.

Eric: Most chatrooms have creepers in it. Maybe there are anti-creeper charms placed on this site.

Andrew: What if Jo announces she's going to be in the chatroom 24/7?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Would that be an exciting development?

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Eric: Well, could anything be as exciting as a Harry Potter book? Let's be realistic.

Andrew: That's a good question. That's a good question.

Eric: Yeah. What can be as exciting as a new Harry Potter book, other than another Harry Potter book?

Andrew: Well, I think a good gauge on the interest in this is by looking at the Twitter and YouTube numbers for the respective Pottermore channels. On Twitter there are 60,000 followers already, and that's in about five days - four or five days? And the YouTube has over a million views. Keep in mind there's not even a video on it yet. It has a million views and it's already getting a lot of honors on YouTube. It's the "Most Subscribed All Time" in the United Kingdom.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: For the week.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It now has 28,000 subscribers. Is that a good number? I mean, I guess it's good without actually hearing an announcement from Jo yet.

Eric: So the first thing - it is good because people don't know what it is and they're still clicking onto it. So that's the popularity that it's gotten because of her name, or because of our passion, more specifically. But it's also - that's the one thing about doing a web project and not a book project: What about the disadvantaged children who don't have Internet?

Andrew: Oh, that's true. That's very true.

Eric: How are they going to - [laughs] I'm not - I feel bad for the disadvantaged children. But...

Andrew: No, that's a great point.

Matt: No, it's...

Andrew: If you want to reach as many people as possible, you put out a book. It's what made the books so successful. If JK Rowling did online books back in 2000, [laughs] it wouldn't have worked out as well.

Matt: Well, she wants to reach out to the same fan-base that read her books. Therefore, it's people who love to read books.

Eric: So...

Matt: So it has to - I mean, I would hope that she would put into consideration encompassing that part of her fandom, the ones who read the books the most.

Eric: And a book is something you can read at the beach. This...

Andrew: Well, I can do that with my Kindle, too.

Eric: [laughs] The Kindle...

Matt: Maybe it's the new version of an e-reader.

Andrew: I don't have a Kindle.

Eric: Well, that's the thing. Okay, so look - with the Kindle, okay - JK Rowling's last project which was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows came out four summers ago and was number one highest-selling on Amazon...

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: ...for 150 weeks, until it was replaced by the Kindle e-book reader. And...

Andrew: Top-selling item on Amazon, yeah. It was Harry Potter, until the Kindle.

Eric: For years, until the Kindle. And - so we live in a world now where, four years later, Borders is closing all of its stores. Most of its stores. Borders is closing, bookstores are failing. The only person, the white knight who could save them - JK Rowling, whose books are guaranteed to sell...

Andrew: [laughs] The white knight?

Eric: - the person whose books are guaranteed to sell, chooses to do a web format instead of a new Harry Potter book. Is she contributing to the decline of the book?

Andrew: Now, in fairness, it hasn't been announced what exactly this is. So nobody knows - well, it has...

Micah: Aside from you.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Eric: But you said it's not a book.

Micah: And several other webmasters.

Andrew: I'm trying to word this properly. It hasn't been announced whether or not it - okay, fair enough, she says it's not a book. But we don't know for sure if it's just online or what exactly it is. So just keep that in mind while you're putting down Jo.

Micah: Well, if it's not online...

Eric: Oh no, I don't mean to put her down...

Micah: ...why is there a website registered? Why is there a Twitter account?

Eric: A Twitter - and you know she...

Andrew: Well...

Eric: ...doesn't use Twitter for - if it wasn't a project she would work on, she's not going to use Twitter and we know that because...

Matt: She doesn't even use her own Twitter.

Eric: Yeah, she doesn't use her own Twitter.

Andrew: But who's to say Pottermore just isn't an informational site, just like is an informational site for the movies?

Eric: No, was supposed to be an information site and she put fun into it.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: All right.

Eric: Because it used to be an information site, and she made it more fun.

Matt: Anything about information, I want as an encyclopedia. I want it physically in my hand.

Andrew: So is Pottermore - will Pottermore extend the life of the Harry Potter fandom? I know it's early to say, because we don't know exactly what it is...

Matt: [laughs] It's a little too early.

Andrew: ...but is Pottermore...

Micah: Why don't you tell us, Andrew?

Andrew: Will Pottermore live up to its name?

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: What are your thoughts, Andrew?

[Matt laughs]

Eric: You're hearing from us, but we'd like to hear from you.

Matt: Yeah.

Eric: If you were a betting man, would you say...

Andrew: [laughs] No, I'm not doing that.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: There's no room to mess around with that.

Micah: Well, the other thing, though, that Jo did talk about with respect to the encyclopedia - this was a while back - was that it was going to be for charity.

Andrew: Mmm.

Micah: And unless she's charging some fee for people to use whatever Pottermore is going to be, then how are you generating any sort of money for charity?

Eric: Well, if you're generating money you can donate to charity. And we know that Jo Rowling can match anything she gets to charity, or just give money to charity any day anyway. I mean, I don't think that's a real concern. I mean - no, it's true...

Micah: Well no, the point is if this is the encyclopedia, let's say, she did mention that the whole idea behind it was that the money was going to go to charity. So when you think "encyclopedia" you think, like Matt was saying, a physical book so that the proceeds end up going to charity.

Eric: Well, my point in bringing up the Lexicon as an online encyclopedia was that I never liked us calling this next book from Jo that we expected an encyclopedia, because what it's going to be is backstory. Like never before seen - it's not a collection of information - or it is, but it's a collection of new information. She's producing this entire history, this new history, and that's what we were expecting in book form. If she does it online, I don't really see why it would be harder, except less people are online. Books are farther reaching for now than e-books. But is it a sign of the changing times?

Matt: Well, are you referring to ñ are you saying that it's going to be in e-book fashion?

Eric: Well no, I'm saying that if Pottermore involves releasing new information about the Harry Potter series, which really is ñ I don't think it's a stretch - because she named it "Potter." She could have named it something else entirely. I actually didn't expect her next project, or her next five projects, to have anything to do with Harry Potter. I would have still bought them and read them and got excited about them, just because it's her and we know that she can write. The fact that it's Potter related really begs the question. She's - or there is no question. She's going to release more information that extends the canon.

Matt: Right.

Eric: Or that extends the Potter series. So yeah, I don't see - I mean, anything that she releases is new information, and I don't think she's going to create all new characters.

Matt: Oh, no.

Eric: So she is really going to tell us more. So this is I guess the web version of an encyclopedia book or a history, a new history, for the Harry Potter characters.

Andrew: All right. Well, I think we can leave it at that. Again, JK Rowling will be making her YouTube announcement June 23rd. I don't think there is an exact time, so ñ I mean, I'm sure they have one in mind, but I don't think we know it yet.

Matt: And it might be leaked before it even...

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: It's not going to leak.

Eric: Well wait, we didn't go into how exactly she did this, I mean the scavenger hunt thing. Did you guys play? Did you guys go in and find...

Micah: I did, yeah. I was excited because it kind of took me back to when she used to reveal things on her website, and...

Eric: With the "Do Not Disturb" sign?

Micah: ...I got kind of pissed off that somebody hacked the site a day earlier and revealed everything, because...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: ...I thought that kind of cheapened the whole announcement and what it was that she was trying to do. Now, one would hope that you could protect against that kind of thing, but I guess they didn't think it was going to happen.

Andrew: No, it wasn't even so much a hack, just that a clever person could view the page source and click around a little bit, and find the code where it has all the letters and the locations. [laughs] So it was just in the code of the site.

Micah: Got it.

Andrew: And that happens all the time, I guess it was...

Micah: But why not update the site until the following day at least? Have those three coordinates for Day 1...

Eric: Yeah, were they not expecting it? I mean...

Micah: ...and not update the site until the following day? This way nobody could find them.

Andrew: But you could still find them in the code and it was getting around on the Internet. I'm glad that they just let us post the rest of them, because in the meantime all these other sites who aren't partners were just releasing all the letters and what they presumed to be the name of the project.

Eric: Oh, I see.

Andrew: So it would have been bad for MuggleNet and all the other sites because we would have been stuck being like, "Okay, only three letters are out!" In the meantime all these other sites are like, "Here's all ten letters. It's "Pottermore"!"

Eric: Okay. So it was supposed to be a two-day event, right?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Where they would release coordinates, and it was half a day. I didn't actually get to play the scavenger hunt. I was at work from 10:00 AM until 10:00 PM that day.

Matt: I missed it.

Micah: You can still play it.

Eric: And by 5:00 PM - really? You can?

Andrew: Yeah, you can still punch in coordinates. Yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Matt: We won't spoil.

Eric: To be honest, I heard JK Rowling had this huge announcement and I was - and that she wasn't giving it away and that it was still going to be a week, and I was like, "I am too old for this." That was my first thought. But it did seem...

Andrew: [laughs] Here's the other thing to keep in mind, what's been exciting about this is this is the first time Twitter has been around when JK Rowling has made an announcement. And it's...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No, why I bring it up is because it was interesting to see people's reactions on a social media service like Twitter where you're getting these initial reactions from people freaking out.

Matt: In real-time.

Andrew: In real-time, right, as people are discovering the letters. And you looked on the Twitter trends and the phrases "More Potter" and "Pottermore" came up pretty quickly after the first couple of letters were discovered. And it was just fun because then we asked on the MuggleNet Twitter, "What do you guys think Pottermore is?" and we were getting answers by the second. I was just sitting there watching the @ replies come in. The Mac application lets you watch them come in in real-time, and it was fast and furious. And it was just really exciting seeing the fans react that way. And before Twitter you could watch a chatroom but everybody is on Twitter at the same time these days, especially when big news is happening. So it was really fun to watch the community react.

Eric: So the Pottermore Twitter did release the tenth coordinate, right?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Was that supposed to happen? Or...

Andrew: Yes, it was supposed to happen, but we knew the tenth letter anyway because of that little hack, quote on quote.

Eric: Okay, so the tenth partner was the Pottermore Twitter, right?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Eric: Okay. But we knew it because that - well, I'm glad she still went ahead with it, you know? It says a lot about JK Rowling too, because Stephenie Meyer, who was writing Book 1 of Twilight from Edward's perspective - the book was called Midnight Sun - she got hacked, and some of that book was released online and she gave up.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: I mean...

Andrew: Well...

Eric: Quote me if I'm wrong, but she was very upset and it took her...

Andrew: To be fair to Stephenie, though, a book leak is different than a title leak. [laughs]

Eric: It was a couple of chapters though.

Matt: Yes.

Eric: I read that part of Midnight Sun though, and it was awesome. It is above and beyond. It's like my favorite thing that she's written and I would really love her to continue it, but...

Andrew: Eric Scull, a TwiHard. Look at this.

Eric: A TwiHard, I've read it all. But Midnight Sun is really, really good. And it was just so disheartening to see that a few fans could really spoil it for everybody. And I'm so relieved that that's not the case with Jo, that she's still going ahead with whatever this Pottermore thing is. Andrew, you said I was putting down Jo earlier by saying she contributed to the decline of the book - or might be contributing to the decline of the book. But now I'm just going to say I think it's really cool that she's still going ahead, that she powered through, and that we're still getting this announcement.

Matt: Wait...

Eric: And the most exciting thing about Pottermore - we don't know what it is, but it's coming from Jo. She - it's...

Matt: How did, really, anything get spoiled though? All they did was just basically...

Eric: Well, the name.

Matt: ...reveal what really any hacker could have found out. I mean, it wasn't that big of a secret. It was just a little bit of fun to find out what the title was.

Micah: Well, it was just that the information was released a lot earlier, I think, than what they anticipated. So...

Matt: It was a day, wasn't it?

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Well, fortunately they only planned to release the name this week, right?

Matt: Well, I...

Eric: They didn't have the whole package to go.

Matt: To be honest, I'm kind of glad that they did it all within one day, even though it wasn't intended.

Andrew: Yeah, two days, to me - because everybody was on Twitter like, "Oh my God, when's the fourth letter coming out? When's the fourth letter coming out?" And the fourth letter wasn't supposed to come out until the following day. So all these poor people are waiting for a fourth letter.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And if it hadn't been hacked it wouldn't have come.

Matt: Well, it also would have lost a lot of steam, too, after two days.

Eric: So they were only going to release three letters...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...on day one, and seven letters on day two?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That's - why not do five and five?

Andrew: I don't know.

Matt: Why not just pull each one of my teeth out?

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Because you got to have the Hallows and the Horcruxes.

Andrew: Ahhh, of course. Okay.

Eric: Wait, what do you mean?

Micah: No, I'm just joking. But no, it was cool. I was just going to say, if you actually went to the map, the places that you were taken to were places that had some sort of tie to the series. And there was a little graphic there, if you waited long enough, that popped up and described to you what its reference was to the series.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: That was cool.

Eric: Oh cool.

News: Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Trailer

Andrew: Let's move on now to the other big story of the week, Micah, which is the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 trailer. I don't know - I don't think Warner Bros. knew that JK Rowling was making this Pottermore announcement at the same time, so I think this was kind of unintentional, for two big news items to happen in one week. But hey, it was a good week for the fans.

Micah: Yeah, definitely. And it's what, I guess, we could call the final Potter trailer ever - for a movie. I'm sure...

[Eric laughs]

Micah: ...there'll be other stuff that is released later on, for DVDs and Blu-rays and other things like that. But...

Andrew: Right.

Micah: ...this is it. This is the last trailer you'll ever see for Harry Potter.

Andrew: And it really was, honestly, the best trailer. I mean, it told a story, which I really loved about it.

Matt: Mhm. It was a proper trailer.

Eric: Yeah, but all the other trailers - instead of saying that this trailer is the best because of that, all the other trailers were not as cool because of that...

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Which is true.

Eric: what I prefer to say.

Andrew: But that's okay.

Eric: They should have done what they did with this trailer with all the other trailers. Except the one thing they did do was they showed too much. This trailer shows way too much.

Matt: You're one of those people?

Andrew: Well, he's not the only one to say that.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Let's - and that's coming from someone who saw the movie, so imagine the people...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: ...who haven't seen the movie, what they're thinking. There are a lot of recycled scenes in this trailer that were in previous trailers. So, for the sake of time and sanity, let's just try to focus on the new clips. And there are quite a few in this trailer.

Matt: Thank God.

Andrew: And if you're listening at home, you can load up the trailer, and you can kind of move along with us. We'll give the time stamp of each scene that we're talking about, so you too can watch what we are discussing here on MuggleCast.

Matt: Unless you've promised yourself that you weren't going to see any of the trailers and want to be surprised when you see it in person.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. And that's good considering - to be perfectly honest, stay away from this trailer if you don't want to be spoiled.

Micah: Because you haven't read the books.

Matt: [laughs] Yeah, you haven't read the books or anything, so you don't know what's going to happen.

Micah: And you don't know what happens. [laughs]

Eric: No. Look, even if - okay - no, it's not like that at all.

Andrew: I agree, Eric.

Eric: Because the question is, "How are they going to adapt it?" And this trailer answers all those questions. All the pivotal moments of the book are in this trailer, and that matters not because you've already read the books so you know what's going to happen, but because the film adaptation is - the definitive film version is just as important as the book.

Matt: You see two minutes of a two-and-a-half hour film.

Andrew: Two hours.

Matt: Oh, I beg your pardon.

Eric: The most emotionally charged scenes from the film are in the trailer. Having already seen the trailer, you will go into the film and it will feel less fulfilling.

Matt: I have never felt less fulfilled though.

Andrew: Well, let's discuss it anyway.

Micah: I don't agree with that.

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#244 (November 20th, 2011): For the first time ever, MuggleCast has a DVD commentary! Watch Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 on DVD with us. We'll comment on each and every scene - it's as if we're in your living room watching alongside you!

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