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Show Intro


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Andrew: Because it all ends here [pauses] except for MuggleCast, this is MuggleCast Episode 233 for July 2nd, 2011.

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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 233! We have arrived, it's been five or six years of podcasting for this: it's the final episode before the release of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2. And it's going to be a different show today. A bit more relaxed, a bit more chill. No Chapter-by-Chapter, we have to get everybody into the movie mood, or at least that's our excuse. Matt, Micah, Eric are here this week along with me. Hello gentlemen!

Eric: Hello host!

Matt: Good afternoon.

Micah: Hello Andrew!

Andrew: Eric in his attempt to create some extra show material is podcasting today from his vehicle.

Eric: Yes. Not while operating my vehicle...

Andrew: Oh good.

Eric: ...but inside my vehicle. This is not a first on MuggleCast.

Micah: Taking after Ben.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Yeah, right.

Eric: I'm pulling a Ben.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: There are - now you live in Illinois, right?

Eric: Yes, in...

Andrew: Okay, because I know at least twelve states it's against the law to podcast while driving, so...

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: I don't think one of them is Illinois.

Eric: Not the beautiful Land of Lincoln. We're all about freedom here, baby.

Andrew: [laughs] We podcast where we want!

[Eric and Matt laugh]



News: Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Posters & Billboards


Andrew: Okay. Well, let's get into some news. There's been so much news this week, Micah, so we're not going to pick apart every little interview or whatnot, but we're going to talk about some things that are going on leading up to the release of the film on July 15th.

Micah: Yeah, like you said, I mean, [laughs] there's just so much news. It would take probably two or three shows just to go through all of it, bit by bit. But I want to talk a little bit about the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 posters, billboards, everything that's showing up throughout the world, really. And somebody pointed out that not a lot of them have the title of the movie in it, but I think everybody in these films is so recognizable that it doesn't matter.

Andrew: Yeah. It really speaks to the impact of the films. Every time I see another one of these posters or these billboards, it just says, "It ends here." And I think about the marketing behind that, how interesting that is where they don't have to put "Harry Potter" and I would love to speak to some marketing expert about the thinking behind that. But I really appreciate it.

Eric: I'm sure somebody forgot. Somebody else is going to lose their job, you know? They rolled out with these fifteen posters, and somebody is like, "Ahhh, it's missing these..."

Andrew: "Oh no!"

Eric: "Oh no!" Yeah. I mean, you're right.

Andrew: "They forgot the title!"

Eric: They're recognizable, but I still don't think you should be able to get away with it. I just don't like that idea, because you know what? Everything Harry Potter does, Twilight does to follow it, and so pretty soon we're just going to have these huge posters of Jacob shirtless, and we're all going to know what it's going to be.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Well, then it worked. Then the promotion worked.

Eric: Well no, it's lazy advertising.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: I think it's very artistic.

Matt: I think Eric is just trying to redeem himself from the last episode when he outed himself as a Twilight fan.

Andrew: [laughs] That too. What else is going on in the news, Micah?



News: Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Clips


Micah: We've gotten a lot of Deathly Hallows - Part 2 clips, this last week in particular, and it's interesting to see the feedback that we get: a lot of comments, a lot of tweets. And I'm wondering - Andrew, you wrote [laughs] in the document that we have here, "We're done talking about 'too much,'" and the fact that fans often say, "Well, are they going to leave any of the movie to the theaters?" And we got a look inside Gringotts, we got a look at the Chamber of Secrets. And these are things, I think, people don't necessarily want to see until they go to the theaters, but there's nobody that's telling them they have to press the "Play" button.

Andrew: Yeah, and I honestly hate that "Ooh, they're showing too much!" This happens with every, every movie.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: But speaking about the clips, the Chamber of Secrets clip, I think that's the only actual clip. The Gringotts one was a featurette. That featurette is really good because, yes, you do see new footage, but you also see lots of behind-the-scenes footage. And you see all the goblins, the actors playing the goblins, all in one room getting all their makeup on at the same time. It's actually really interesting to see that process. And they also talked about designing Gringotts, and making it really big inside and just very pretty.

Eric: So Andrew, maybe you can answer me then. What is the benefit of them showing this? Behind-the-scenes stuff belongs in DVD features. We know that there are precious few DVD features for these Harry Potter films, yet they released these...

Andrew: Because with every film they've released a featurette. Simple as that.

Eric: Oh, every other film before, so that makes it okay for them to release five times as more, five times as many for the eighth film?

Andrew: It's not five times as more or many. They've always done three or four featurettes.

Matt: I think people tend to forget how much they show on the previous film and think that this is the first time they've released so much.

Eric: Maybe it's not...

Andrew: And people love to complain.

Eric: But this is the last film! I'm telling you, what is the benefit - or I'm asking you, what is the benefit of them releasing all these key, crucial scenes before the movie comes out? I mean...

Andrew: You don't have to watch. You don't have to watch.

Matt: Also, fans tend to get really upset with it because they go on fan sites every day, and fan sites have to post everything that Warner Bros. posts. So...

Andrew: Yeah, we're slaves to Warner Bros.!

[Eric laughs]

Matt: So of course they're going to have everything that Warner Bros. releases on the fan sites. But if you're not a fan or if you're just the general public, you're not seeing all those clips. You may see one clip completely.

Andrew: That's true.

Eric: We need an alternative to the Harry Potter fan sites, a Harry Potter fan site that only posts what fans want to see and not what...

Matt: So basically...

Eric: Yeah.

Matt: In order to not be spoiled, fans of Harry Potter have to not be fans of Harry Potter when the movies are in promotional stage.

Andrew: Yeah, these - right, these clips are for people who aren't necessarily fans.

Matt: Exactly.

Andrew: It's just to get the word out.

Micah: Yeah...

Andrew: What else is going on in the news, Micah?

Micah: I was just going to add, though, just one final bit to that - for example, the Chamber of Secrets. Say you're just a moviegoer. You're going to look at that clip and you're going to say, "Wow, they're going back to somewhere that they went in the second movie." So it probably ties it together if you're not somebody who has read the books. So I think the advantage of it though, Eric, is that they're just promoting the film. That's what it comes down to. This is their last film and they're going all out to put as much out there as possible to drive people to the theaters. That's what it is.

Eric: And yet they won't even put the title in the poster. Because they're going all out to promote this film...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...but yet they just show a picture without the title.

Micah: We're going to agree to disagree, and we're going to move on and just don't look at anymore clips because I'm sure there is going to be more that come out before the movie is released.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Micah: ABC Family is releasing some next weekend, so...

[Eric sighs]

Andrew: So is Larry King.

Micah: So is Larry King, yes.

Eric: Thanks for the forewarning.

Matt: So don't go on MuggleNet.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I can't be alone. I cannot be alone on this. I need to hear...



News: Deathly Hallows - Part 2 World Premiere to be Live-Streamed


Micah: I'm sure you're not. There are plenty of people in the comments and on Twitter and on Facebook who definitely agree with you. But one thing that they all want to do is check out the live-stream for the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 world premiere next week.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Ooh.

Matt: They're showing the first hour of the film right before the live show.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: July 7th. I think that is next Thursday. It's going to start at 11:00 AM Eastern. Google what time that is in your part of the world because that's a question we always get. "What time is that where I live?" Well, where do you live? Google where you live and do the conversion.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. And we'll of course tweet when it starts on the MuggleNet Twitter. We'll tweet, "Hey, the stream is starting." So if you follow Twitter.com/MuggleNet, you'll...

Micah: Well, won't you be there?

Andrew: You won't miss it. Hmm?

Micah: Aren't you going to be at the world premiere, Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah, I don't know if - I mean, I'm going to try be on camera, like flashing the camera and doing inappropriate things. I don't know if I'm actually doing the red carpet, that may be somebody else from MuggleNet. But yeah, we may tweet some pictures from the actual scene.

Micah: From MuggleNet Live, right?

Eric: Somebody else from MuggleNet?

Andrew: From MuggleNet.

Eric: Who else is there?

Andrew: Well, Richard.

Eric: Ahh!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Cool.

Andrew: He may be - well, he has first priority to do it, and we'll see what other access we get. But yeah, so we'll be covering all of that when it happens.

Micah: Yes, follow Twitter.com/MuggleNetLive.

Andrew: MuggleNetLive, yeah. And we'll plug it on the MuggleNet Twitter, too.



News: AMC Theaters to Play All Eight Harry Potter Films


Micah: Okay, and the last bit of news here, AMC Theaters is going to be playing all eight films. Is anyone of our group actually going to be attending something like this? That's a lot of time to spend in the movie theater.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, what AMC is doing - they're doing two films a day leading up to the film release, so I think it starts on a Tuesday. But I'm just wondering - and then there's at least one theater in Texas, not AMC, that is doing a marathon, all eight back-to-back. It starts at like 4:00 AM and goes through the entire day. I'm just wondering, do people - it's a good promo idea and all that, but do people really want to do this? Do people really want to sit there and watch all eight films in a theater? Go to a theater four times in one week to watch two films a day or sit there for eighteen to twenty hours, watching every movie back-to-back? Does this sound appealing to anyone?

Eric: Well - so how I would justify not doing it is that each film, different director, they don't flow together as well as the books do. So I could justify not going to see the movies beforehand because we know that this eighth film is going to be completely different from the previous films. You're not going to get the same sense of continuity and growing up as you would if you did a re-read. But you guys understand there are quite a few fans who do a re-read, where they'll read all the books before seeing the latest film. Isn't that the same thing? Isn't that about - and isn't it quicker to go and see all the movies back-to-back than it is to read all the books back-to-back?

Andrew: I just think you could watch them in the comfort of your own home without having to drag yourself to a movie theater four days in a week or camp out in a movie theater for an entire day.

Eric: But I just recently saw The Lord of the Rings extended editions in theaters, which was - they were four-hour movies but that was split across three weeks, so it's obviously a little bit different. But the theater is special. The theater is a huge, huge screen, and it's the way that certain films were meant to be seen.

Andrew: Yeah. No, that's true.

Eric: I can definitely see that there's a community aspect in going to the theater with your friends. But that said, I wouldn't do it. I attended a re-watch of Movies 4, 5, and 6, leading up to Deathly Hallows - Part 1, and it was exhausting. It was five, six hours, and I was pooped afterwards.

Andrew: Now, I would like to see more theaters offer just Part 1 before the midnight premiere of Part 2. So you start watching Part 1 at 9:00 PM or 9:30 PM, take a little twenty-minute break, you come back into the theater, and you get Part 2.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: That would be great.

Micah: Yeah, that makes sense.

Matt: That's about four hours.

Eric: Yeah, it does, and Andrew, you and I both said in our short review show from the preview that we had seen that these movies flow together. Part 1 and Part 2 are going to really flow together very well.

Andrew: Absolutely.

Micah: Well, here's the important question though for the people who do go to those back-to-back-to-back, all the way through, and watch the final film: Are they feeding you at all? [laughs] If you pay this all-inclusive price...

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: ...does the movie theater feed you throughout the day? Or are you on your own?

Matt: Well, I mean they probably may have an intermission between films, so you have enough time to go out and get yourself a bite to eat or something. I mean, most theaters are generally in a shopping center or something, too.

Eric: "Please visit our concession stand." [laughs]

Matt: Yeah. "Bring a lunch."

Eric: [starts singing] "Let's go to the lobby."

Andrew: Here, the one doing the major marathon is the the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, and it starts at 4:30 AM on July 14th, and they will play...

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: ...all eight films in a row. It's timed so Part 2 will screen at midnight, of course.

Eric: I admire them.

Andrew: Yeah. Really cool theater, by the way.

Eric: You said they're the Drafthouse, though?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: The Drafthouse?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So is that like alcoholic beverages?

Andrew: No, no, it's just the name of their theater.

Micah: Is it really cold in there from time to time?

[Eric and Matt laugh]

Andrew: It's seventy dollars for a ticket to this thing.

Eric: Seventy dollars?

Matt: Geez.

Micah: There's got to be food.

Eric: There's the IMAX, actually.

Matt: Memories aren't cheap.

Eric: Memories are not cheap. My cousin e-mailed just yesterday, actually, and told me that the IMAX in my hometown of Reading, Pennsylvania, is doing it, a re-watch. They're spreading it across three nights, but I think he said tickets are only ten dollars to see all the films. I'm going to double-check that, but that would obviously be a tremendous value to go and see the films in an IMAX for cheap. But they're doing a re-watch. So there are other theaters out there, non-AMC, but it's really kind of spread out kind of random. But...

Andrew: By the way - yeah.

Eric: It seems like a good opportunity for people who want to do it.

Andrew: By the way, at LeakyCon - they're not allowed to talk about this on the website because of the rules and stuff, but I'm pretty sure we can. Deathly Hallows - Part 2 will be premiering at LeakyCon at - [laughs] Matt already has an angry look on his face.

Matt: No, I'm - you're looking at me like I'm going to say something.

Andrew: Like you're going to be pissed. It's going to premiere at I think 6:00 PM on July 14th. We get to watch it really early at LeakyCon, which is really cool.

Matt: Whoa.

Eric: Oh, I'm pretty sure we actually can't tell anybody just yet.

Andrew: No, no, we can. It - they can't post about it on their site. You can talk about it. They can't officially talk - because it's like a private screening.

Eric: Well, they said in their e-mail that we have to swear them, or whoever we tell, to secrecy. So listeners, MuggleCast listeners, you are sworn to secrecy.

Andrew: Well, let's double-check that before I release it, but I'm pretty sure - I think that was before - Melissa was talking about - Eric, that was when they hadn't announced it on LeakyCon's site yet. I'll double-check it, but I'm pretty sure.

Eric: Okay, yeah, yeah.



Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Expectations


Andrew: I'll e-mail her to make sure. Okay, anyway, so that's it for news this week, besides the billion other stories you can go and see on MuggleNet.com. We also just wanted to talk about expectations for the film now. I mean, the first movie came out in 2001. It's been ten full years now, and we're at this place in time where we're about to experience the final movie. A lot of people are a bit sad, but at the same time a lot of people are really excited. I personally am excited for this franchise to wrap up. It's going to be a very interesting feeling with all eight Potter films out.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: So Matt, what are your expectations going into this final movie?

Matt: [laughs] I'm trying to find the best word for it but my guess would probably be closure, just to have it end full circle. I just saw a clip of the Chamber of Secrets scene that they released...

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: ...and it just made me even more excited about it because I got to see a set piece from four, five films ago.

Andrew: Mhm.

Matt: So...

Andrew: Six!

Matt: Six. So I'm really just excited to see everything come together and be - come full circle and complete. So I'm really excited.

Andrew: Micah? What are your expectations, Mr. Micah?

Micah: Well, I mean, I really expect it to be the best film of all eight of them. And I know I was pretty critical when it came to Deathly Hallows - Part 1, but I'm not going into Part 2 with the same sort of mind set after having seen Part 1. I've watched Part 1 over a bunch of times since that show that we did, and I think I was a little too overly critical of it. But just from everything that we've seen - and that's part of the reason why WB releases everything that they have, is so that people can get excited for the upcoming film, and I think that they've done a great job getting people ready. I mean, this is it. Everything comes to an end, all the questions are answered, and we finally have that last piece to be able to watch. So not just pick up a book and read, you can finally watch it on screen, and I'm really - I'm pumped up for it.

Eric: I'm expecting to see the best acting from all of the actors. And the best explosions.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I think that's fair.



Listener Tweets: Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Expectations


Andrew: Mhm. I just genuinely hope that nobody really feels let down. I hope that everybody, every fan, goes and sees it and just feels closure. I think that's a really important thing, too. And we'll talk about this more at our live show at LeakyCon when we're doing our big review. But on Twitter.com/MuggleCast earlier today we asked people, "What are your expectations for the film?" Wikmans said:

"I try not to have any expectations but some of my favorite parts are in the film, so I'm happy. Some things still bother me though."

This is a weird Twitter name, iAMtheBRA writes... [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: [continues]

"From what I've seen, looks great. They have stayed true to the book, devoting two hours for the battle scene. I have high expectations."

domnchips wrote:

"I expect 'Part 2' to be nothing short of amazing. I am so excited it's unhealthy."

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: lynn2223 says:

"I've avoided all the promo stuff like the plague, but based on the trailer alone it looks like the epic finale the series deserves."

christyvourcos writes:

"I'm really looking forward to an incredible final movie of the series. It will be a great movie, even if things have changed."

And finally, kelsey0403 writes:

"I stopped watching all the promotional material. After they showed the forest scene in the last trailer, I said I'd seen enough."

So generally everybody is really happy. I mean, I really didn't read much about people being sad. You know, something that's been around for ten years, it's kind of just time. This franchise has not been rushed in any way, shape, or form. There's still a lot to look forward to in the Harry Potter fandom, between Pottermore...

Eric: Do you think that's why, that you're no longer hearing about - because I used to hear about people really upset that "Harry Potter is ending!" and the first posters that said "It all ends" everybody was upset. But now with the announcement of Pottermore, do you think people are a little bit more able to come to peace with the end of the films? I mean, the films are only one aspect of the series, right?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Matt: I think also people have been getting themselves in the frame of mind about it ending and have learned to - just to not be upset about it and just to take it...

Andrew: Be prepared.

Matt: Yeah. It's better to enjoy it rather than to be emotional about it.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: I mean, sad about it.

Micah: Well yeah, I mean, I don't really know what there is to get sad about. But I don't know, maybe that's just my own take on it. But - and I think the announcement of Pottermore though was timed not to take anything away from Deathly Hallows - Part 2 but to do exactly what you guys just said, and that is continue it on. The movies are not the end. There is more Potter beyond July 15th, and JK Rowling has seen to that.

Eric: That said, do you guys expect to be emotional at the end of the film, come the end of the film? Are you expecting to be moved? I mean, there is a certain - now, we know the world isn't ending, Potter is still going on.

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

Eric: But it is still the end of an era. It is the end of these - first round, I should say, of film adaptations.

Andrew: Well...

Eric: Will you be sad because of that? Or will you be so detached from it that you don't anticipate being upset? Not even a little bit moved now?

Andrew: Being - seeing it with your friends, I think that helps a lot because everybody's kind of feeling the same way. At LeakyCon it will be very interesting, at all these midnight screenings across the world it will be very interesting. I just hope everybody supports each other, you know?

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: I know your answer, Eric. All I heard during the test screening was [fake sobbing] from you.

Matt: Awww.

Eric: I am not convinced that was me.

Andrew: [laughs] I think - I thought you 'fessed up. Well, I exaggerated slightly.

Eric: [laughs] You thought I 'fessed? I'm denying it now.

Andrew: Yeah, you're in denial. I am not going to sit next to you, I don't need those noises interrupting my movie-going experience.

Eric: I'm going to bring a recorder in and I'll record you guys crying then. It's a sad scene when...

Micah: I'm sure there are going to be moments during the film that are like that. I mean...

Matt: Are you going to cry, Micah?

Micah: I don't know, you never know.

Andrew: Whoa!

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: I didn't even expect that confession.

Eric: Micah is keeping an open mind!

Matt: Awww, Micah sniffles.

Micah: But Andrew, you brought up seeing it with your friends. I mean, the four of us and others would not be friends right now if it wasn't for this series.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: That's true.

Micah: We wouldn't even know each other.

Andrew: Yeah. And we've discussed the - well, yeah. No, we wouldn't have known each other which - I still don't know if that would have been a good or bad thing.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: But I think - the fandom - as we've talked about before on the show, on the website, and in various ways - is such an important thing to a lot of people because a lot of people met through the fandom. And by the fandom I mean through MuggleNet, through MuggleCast, through all the websites and podcasts. And not even just the people who work on them, but communities like MuggleSpace, you meet people through there.

Micah: You hear stories too, at a lot of these conventions, people who have met, they've gotten married, they've had kids, [laughs] and it's all because of this series. It's kind of crazy.

Andrew: It is crazy.

Matt: Mhm.

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