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MuggleCast 234 Transcript

Show Intro

["Hedwig's Theme" plays]

Andrew: Because we're live at LeakyCon and reviewing Deathly Hallows - Part 2, this is MuggleCast Episode 234 for July 15th, 2011.

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Andrew: Hello everyone!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Let's wait for Eric. Welcome to MuggleCast Live in Orlando, Episode 234! Very exciting.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: This is actually really exciting, it's a brand new development, Ben is now an employee here at the Royal Pacific Resort. [laughs] Congratulations, Ben!

[Audience cheers]

Ben: Thank you. About this shirt...

Andrew: Seriously, why are you wearing that?

Ben: Huh?

Andrew: Why are you wearing that?

Ben: Because I saw it in the gift shop and I was like, "Hey!"

[Audience laughs]

Ben: So I decided to buy a shirt...

Andrew: I thought you were like, "Hmm, now that Harry Potter is done, I need a new job."

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: "I know, I'll just live next to Hogwarts for the rest of my life."

Ben: Well, all of my MuggleNet shirts - I had a steady diet of MuggleNet shirts for a long period of time and they're all - the logo is all worn down and everything, so...

Pottermore Discussion: Earning Money

Andrew: So, just before our panel here, there was a Pottermore presentation here. Actually, what I wanted to do - because I personally had a lot of questions while watching, so I wanted to get anybody's thoughts who - anybody have any comments or questions about Pottermore? Obviously we don't have specific answers but I thought it'd be good to have some sort of interactive discussion on Pottermore. So does anybody have any questions or comments about what they saw today? Here, you can come up first. And I have to say - oh, does that work?

Audience Member: Well, maybe.

Andrew: Go ahead now.

Audience Member: Is it on? Yeah.

Andrew: Oh. Awesome.

Audience Member: I just want to know how you can earn more money to buy more things.

Ben: How you can what?

Audience Member: Earn more money, the Galleons in your Gringotts bank, so you could keep buying things.

Andrew: Well, I think what it is, is it's - well, first of all I don't think it's Farmville style...

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: ...where you actually have to pay real money to get that. I think what they're doing is they are giving you a certain amount of money to start, and part of the Beta process is - [laughs] Melissa is going to come out and knock me on the head with something. Part of the Beta process is them figuring out how much money they should be giving you when you start with your account. So...

Ben: Well, what can you do with the money?

Andrew: You're going to be buying - like what you saw up on there, the potions and the different items. Your school supplies.

Ben: Is it going to be like The Sims where you can just hit "Shift +" and make your money just go up?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Type in "rosebud"?

Ben: Yeah.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Nice reference! We should ask about cheat codes because everybody is like, "Oh my God, this is a video game. This is a video game."

[Audience laughs]

Pottermore Discussion: JK Rowling's New Information

Andrew: Okay, here's another comment about Pottermore. What's your name?

Audience Member: My name is Hayley.

Andrew: Hi Hayley.

Audience Member: My major concern is the amount of time that you have to spend on the website to get extra information. Do you know if - to get all of JK Rowling's extra text, do you have to sit there and click around and explore? Or can you just access the information [laughs] in a different way?

Andrew: Well, here's what I think, and I know they're going to hate that I'm saying this, but you know what's going to happen. Somebody is going to create a site called...

Ben: Potterless.

Andrew:, and you just go to it and you find everything [laughs] just copy-and-pasted from Pottermore.

Ben: Isn't that called MuggleNet?

Andrew: [laughs] Yes.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: We're announcing today our new Pottermore section where we're going to annoy the Pottermore people by just putting all the info. No, but I think the whole point of Pottermore is that you do have to explore, so you are going to have to go through it, of course unless people actually [laughs] copy and paste the info. Did anyone get a good look at the new stuff on the screen? Because it went by so fast.

Eric: I looked at some of it.

Andrew: What's that?

Eric: I looked at some of it.

Andrew: McGonagall was particularly interesting. I was hoping to see "McGonagall fell in love with a woman and it was..."

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Big revelation.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Or "McGonagall and Dumbledore got together, and then Dumbledore realized it's not his type of thing."

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Like McGonagall turned him?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Next question here?

Pottermore Discussion: New Book Releases

Audience Member: Hi. I was wondering, did they say when they're releasing the new books? What's the time period between them?

Andrew: They said Chamber of Secrets in the middle of next year.

Audience Member: Okay.

Andrew: And then the other books over the next few years. I think that's actually one of the more exciting things about Pottermore...

Audience Member: Yeah.

Andrew: that there's going to be new books coming out for, what, three or four years? Or five?

Ben: New books?

[Audience cheers]

Ben: You mean like you experience the new book...

Andrew: Yeah. The new experience is - yeah. So the Chamber of Secrets experience will be coming out next year.

Audience Member: All right.

Andrew: Sorcerer's Stone obviously being the one that comes out this year.

Audience Member: Thanks.

Andrew: Thank you.

Eric: And just based on the things that they are going to be able to do, not only sort you but the wizard duels that's ongoing, it's going to completely fill the time in between each release of each book.

Ben: Is it going to be like - are they going to have parties?

Andrew: Release parties?

Ben: I don't know, like people on Skype in their pajamas...

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: ...counting down and all that?

[Audience cheers]

Eric: You would be able to get together with members of your own house, so who knows.

Andrew: Honestly though, you would think that would make sense because the night or the eve of Chamber of Secrets release on Pottermore, you're going to want to - you're going to be really looking forward to it because you're about to learn about all this new information.

Eric: They did say, though, that they would not do chat rooms. They said that's not part of their thing.

Andrew: Not do what?

Eric: Chat rooms.

Andrew: Oh, chat rooms.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, but you can leave comments which is...

Eric: That's right. Comment party!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Next question?

Pottermore Discussion: Quidditch

Audience Member: Hi, I'm Cyrus from Albuquerque, New Mexico. I was just wondering if you guys think there's going to be any Quidditch involved?

Andrew: Like playing Quidditch?

Audience Member: Anything. Anything at all.

Eric: There was something I read up there that said, "Welcome to Hufflepuff, hope you enjoy Quidditch because we haven't been that great over the years," so...

Audience: Oh!

Audience Member: [laughs] Awww.

Eric: I don't know. Who knows.

Audience Member: Hopefully. Fingers crossed.

Andrew: Hold on, wait a second. Here, do you want to come up real quick? She asked - who was that who was with Melissa? I forget his name. Jamie. Really cool guy.

Ben: Not our Jamie, though.

Andrew: No.

Audience Member: I asked that after his presentation and he said that it wasn't going to be so much an interactive thing, that it's not like a game or anything.

Andrew: Right. You wouldn't be flying on a broom.

Audience Member: Right. But it is a chapter in the book.

Andrew: Cool.

Audience Member: There's the flying lesson, but I think you might just watch.

Andrew: Okay.

Audience Member: Like there might just be pictures or something.

Eric: Cool.

Andrew: It will be one of the Moments, I think.

Audience Member: Yeah.

Andrew: And you'll probably learn more about Quidditch. And didn't Jo say you are going to learn more about Quidditch? I think during the press conference, the Pottermore press conference, she had said that she does have a thing, a dialogue between Harry and Dumbledore where Dumbledore explains Quidditch? Someone back me up, I'm not the only one who read that.

Eric: Cool.

Andrew: Yeah? Okay. Just checking.

Eric: It makes sense too, because how many chapters in the Harry Potter books are dedicated just to Quidditch? Or one Quidditch match, the Quidditch final, and things like that.

Ben: So you think Dumbledore is going to make some profound explanation for how Quidditch...

Eric: It's going to blow them all the way.

Ben: really like a metaphor for life or something like that?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Audience Member: Probably.

Micah: How would that go?

Ben: [laughs] I don't know. Something about choices and all that good stuff.

[Audience cheers]

Micah: How does that go?

[Ben laughs]

Micah: How does that go?

Ben: [imitating Dumbledore] "It is our choices, Harry."

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Next question?

Pottermore Discussion: New Merchandise

Audience Member: I'm honestly kind of curious if they're going to start having new merchandise, because they showed us all the new house crests and I kind of wonder if they're going to make patches or something, or - I mean, they said...

Andrew: Like actual merchandise?

Audience Member: Like actual merchandise.

Andrew: Physical merchandise?

Audience Member: I mean, they do e-books so they have plans for a shop.

Andrew: Yeah.

Audience Member: Well, what if they expand that shop to include T-shirts with the crests or something?

Eric: Now, they did stress that Pottermore was completely free. But yeah, I believe that was...

Andrew: Well, the e-books...

Eric: ...when they were talking about the content. They were talking about the content.

Andrew: Right. The e-books are the things that you have to pay for.

Eric: So they're going to sell e-books. I don't know, I have a feeling that a lot of this content that's created specifically for Pottermore is going to remain on Pottermore as a prize, as something special to the following. Because it's a "thank you," not a "please pay up."

Audience Member: Well I mean, the e-books are still paid for, so...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Right, e-books. Yeah, yeah.

Audience Member: Yeah.

Eric: Which will be interesting how they do it, because you're traveling through the books on Pottermore but then you have the opportunity to buy the e-books. So they're two separate things, it's not - because you don't have to buy the e-books to participate.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And somehow still follow every single scene in each book.

Andrew: Right. Pottermore is Jo's gift to the fan, but still buy the books. Wink!

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Now, are they going to - is there going to be a leader-board where it's like, "Oh, this person is our number one fan," kind of thing?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Well, you're supposed to be a student, so I don't think they would call you a fan. You would just be a student.

Ben: Oh.

Andrew: But I remember on the graphic up on the - one of the slides up here, they did show a little leader-board I think on the house pages. And it may be for best duelers, or something like that?

Eric: Yup. You can earn points for your house. It makes sense.

Pottermore Discussion: Moderating Submitted Content

Andrew: House points, that too, of course. Miss Waldo is right here...

[Audience Member laughs]

Andrew: ...asking a question.

Audience Member: Hi guys. My name is Aiya, not Miss Waldo. My sock monkey is really excited to see you. But...

Andrew: Well, thanks for coming.

Audience Member: Thank you. I was just wondering how you guys thought they would be able to manage the content, aside from choosing our username for us. Because there's artwork and comments and...

Andrew: You mean moderating it all?

Audience Member: Yeah. Because it's supposed to be child appropriate, you know?

Andrew: Right.

Audience Member: There's just so much.

Andrew: Well, I think they're going to have a lot of filters in place to make sure that there's nothing inappropriate that goes up. And then of course they could always delete stuff if something inappropriate goes up, but...

Ben: Wasn't that what that whole "follow the owl" thing was about? Because they were like, a million special people get to be the special...

Andrew: Beta testers.

Eric: Beta testers.

Ben: Yeah.

[Prolonged silence]

Ben: I forget where I was going with that, but...

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Yes.

Ben: Do you think that they might get to be moderators or something like that?

Andrew: No, I don't think so. But I think...

Micah: I think Kevin Steck actually worked on that.

Andrew: Yeah, did he?

Eric: That's where he's been the last three years on MuggleCast.

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: What about Jamie? Where is he?

Andrew: He was just here! He did this presentation, that Pottermore presentation.

Ben: [imitating Jamie] Trust the Brit, trust the Brit.

Andrew: No, he's in England. Sorry.

Audience Member: Why? [laughs]

Ben: Jamie died.

Audience: Oh!

Andrew: Okay, let's get - okay, no!

Audience Member 2: Wait, really?

Andrew: No, he didn't really die!

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: He was on the show a few weeks ago, right?

Audience Member: Yeah.

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Pottermore Discussion: House Sorting

Audience Member: Hi. So me and my fiancé were just vehemently debating about this issue of the sorting, whether maybe some fans wouldn't want the houses that they've identified with for years and years sort of messed with. They - it's kind of personal. Or whether Jo's method might be the ultimate authority, she devised this way that you're sorted and whether that should really be... Audience Member 2: Right.

Audience Member: ...what people accept themselves in. So... Audience Member 2: Pretty much, what are your thoughts on the sorting process?

Andrew: You know what? You bring up a really good point. I mean, some people who started reading the books maybe as early as Sorcerer's Stone in 1998 or 1997, they read the books - they read the book, that first book, and were like, "Wow, I'm a Ravenclaw."

Ben: Yeah, but that's the thing though.

Andrew: And for the past fifteen years they've called themselves a Ravenclaw. And then to go on this and be told you're not Ravenclaw? That's got to sting a little bit.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: Yeah. I mean, all that goes to show is that you don't know yourself very well.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: Because if you knew yourself you would know what house you actually are. And I think that so many people are in denial about their house. You can't just pick your own house, that's not how it works.

Audience Member: Harry did!

Andrew: Harry did.

Ben: Okay, he...

Andrew: Harry suggested it.

Ben: And he would have done well in Slytherin and all that, but...

Andrew: Eric, are you going to buy new robes if you don't get into Gryffindor?

Audience Member: Don't do it!

[Audience laughs]

Eric: I might. I also have a Cedric Diggory outfit, so...

[Audience cheers]

Eric: ...I got at least two of the houses covered. So...

Ben: I think Jo has corrupted us.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Because everybody is like - back when I first read the books, everyone I talked to claimed to be a Gryffindor just because Harry was a Gryffindor, and I think there needs to be more house diversity. And I think if you get sorted into another house, don't close out your account and retake the test to get into the house you want to be in. Just accept it.

Eric: Yeah, he stressed that there was only one chance at this, so it seems like they've had that decision made for quite some time, that like it or not, it is going to be in some ways definitive, and by the only person who can make it definitive, JK Rowling herself. But the other thing is that the books are slanted, they show more Gryffindors, so when he did say that we'd learn more about Hufflepuff - perhaps if I take the quiz and I'm disappointed a little bit at being sorted into Hufflepuff, Hufflepuff actually has the most new content. So to look at it that way - and I'd learn a little bit more about it and maybe understand a little bit better why I was chosen for that house.

Andrew: Next question or comment?

Pottermore Discussion: Usernames

Audience Member: I was kind of wondering if you guys could provide more insight on the username process, because I was wondering why them choosing a username for you would keep us more child-friendly. I don't really understand that.

Andrew: Sorry, the what process?

Audience Member: You know how they choose a username for us?

Andrew: Oh yeah, how it helps child safety.

Audience Member: I don't really get how that really works, that's all.

Andrew: Well because - so you can't do a username like something we probably shouldn't mention here. You know what I mean? So you couldn't use an explicit word, an expletive.

Eric: Well, there's that but there's also - you can tell children to say, well, don't reveal any identifying information like "Lives at 4 Privet Drive, Little Whinging, Surrey" at pottermore dot com.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: So in this way they've used words like "moon" and "crescent" and "cat."

Andrew: Right, yeah.

Eric: And it'll be really cool to be - because it's also like something you get directly from Jo, too, as another alias.

Ben: She's naming us.

Andrew: Yeah, but she's - that's not really from Jo.

Eric: Well, it's from the construct that is Pottermore.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And so everything that we see here is going to be tied directly back to Jo, and Jo is responsible for everything we find on there.

Andrew: Mhm. Next question?

Pottermore Discussion: House Cup

Audience Member: I'm a little curious about how the House Cup is going to work in the sense that since we're following through the books - at the end, will Slytherin be winning and then suddenly Gryffindor wins?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Audience Member: Are we - I'm guessing - it feels like it's not obviously going to be the exact same results as the books, or is it just the Internet community that's actually going to have to fight each other to win? And - what house will actually win in the end?

Andrew: Maybe that just won't be a Moment in...

Audience Member: Because didn't he say that the House Cup winner will be right before they release the next book? Audience: Yeah.

Audience Member: So right before they release in 2012 - when they're about to release Chamber of Secrets, we're going to find out who actually wins, whether it's Gryffindor or Slytherin, Hufflepuff or whoever.

Andrew: Hmm. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know.

Audience Member: I'm curious about that.

Andrew: But maybe Jo will submit an alternative ending...

[Audience reacts angrily]

Andrew: ...with the winning House Cup. [laughs] Or the person who wins the - who won the House Cup. That's just a joke, don't worry.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Next question?

Pottermore Discussion: Fan Sites

Audience Member: Hey guys. You know, the first time I saw this, when they unveiled the Pottermore thing...

Andrew: Mhm.

Audience Member: I was really afraid about people with websites, or people like me who are thinking about making a site. I looked at this and I thought, "Oh, she's trying to close down all the people that have their own websites or something like that."

Andrew: Nah!

Audience Member: Or copyright getting into that. I'm still a little worried about that. What do you guys think about people who just want to have their own site?

Andrew: Well, what do you mean your own site?

Audience Member: This is a substitute for that, right?

Andrew: What do you mean - one of the things they've said from the start to the fan sites is that, "This is nothing to compete with you guys. This is something entirely new." And of course it doesn't compete with us because there's all this new information by Jo! [laughs]

Audience Member: Right, there's the Harry Potter Lexicon and I want to see that going on, yeah.

Ben: It helps all these other sites.

Andrew: Yeah. What did you say?

Ben: Oh, I said, I think Pottermore is actually a help to anybody who is...

Andrew: Definitely.

Ben: ...reporting on Harry Potter and the Harry Potter brand online in general.

Micah: Yeah, it definitely gives us more content, more to talk about on podcasts.

Andrew: Right. All right, second-to-last question. Hey!

Pottermore Discussion: Information on Other Houses

Audience Member: All right. You guys are the best, so thank you so much.

Andrew: Thanks.

Audience Member: And my question is about the sorting. If you're sorted into Gryffindor, will you ever find out about Hufflepuff or...

Andrew: Yeah, that's an issue, right?

Audience Member: Yeah.

Ben: Check MuggleNet...

Andrew: Check - yeah.

[Audience laughs]

Ben: ...for more info on Hufflepuffs.

Andrew: [laughs] We're going to have all the information right there for you.

Audience Member: Thank you.

Andrew: Yeah, no problem. [laughs]

Pottermore Discussion: Sharing New Information

Audience Member: She kind of jacked my question, but I have another question related to hers. Let's just say that you are in Hufflepuff, and of course you are going to get more information with Hufflepuff. Let's say that MuggleCast or whatever decide to take that information. Is that all going to be copyrighted, or are we going to be able to share that?

Andrew: Oh yeah, there will definitely be cease-and-desist letters.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Audience Member: I kind of figured that there would be, but I was just wondering how we're all going to be able to find out, like she said, the information. Yeah, like the other houses because I mean, there's going to be so much information that we're never going to find out because the accounts are going to be locked to where you can only get one house. Unless you want to share it.

Andrew: You know, with the Internet these days, this stuff is everywhere.

Audience Member: Oh, I'm sure, yeah.

Ben: Yeah, people will find a way.

Andrew: Yeah. And we'd love to post it on MuggleNet and they'll probably be like, "Haha, no. Take it down."

Audience Member: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: But yeah, it'll always be there.

Audience Member: Yeah.

Andrew: With leaks these days. When photos from the films leak and they go up on MuggleNet and Leaky and all the other sites, and then they also go up on Tumblr, [laughs] and then WB is like, "Take that down right now!" And we're like, "But it's being Tumbled everywhere!"

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: You can't - it's kind of an unfortunate struggle.

Eric: But do you think JK Rowling - well, I think that's something they're probably going to work on through time, figure out how to not isolate the fans by 75 percent if they are only giving them specific house content. That said, it is the Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw, Gryffindor, or Slytherin logo that you're going to see when you log in, and they're tailoring this specific information. So, it really is a question: Are they going to leave it to us to have a hub, which I think they'll probably find another way, maybe even down the line, to give you the same information but not right away. They're going to jump-start you with information that pertains to your house to give you a more interactive experience.

Ben: What if there are like house secrets? Where it's like secret information that pertains to just your house that you don't want to tell anybody else about because it would be like telling your family secrets. You know what I'm saying?

Eric: Yeah.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Eric: Maybe click the button, take the Unbreakable Vow.

Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Discussion: Crying

Andrew: Okay, so now let's talk about the movie. Everybody saw Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 last night?

[Audience cheers]

Ben: Who cried? Did anybody cry? Raise your hand if you cried.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Okay, I want to talk about that first, and this is going to upset some people but I've heard numerous complaints about the sobbing.

[Audience makes noise of agreement]

Ben: About what?

Andrew: The sobbing. The people crying.

Audience Member: It was so loud!

Andrew: It was so loud, right. [laughs]

Eric: Let's...

Audience Member: Cry silently!

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Yeah, let's recount our experience.

Andrew: Well listen, it is justified. It is justified, the sobbing.

Audience Member: How many times did you guys cry?

Andrew: Twice, I shed a single tear.

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: But I was also reaching over Ben, consoling someone else, so I was taking care of someone else and then - it was a big ordeal! It was just like - listen, I'm not complaining about the sobbing, but I have heard from an alarming amount of people who are actually annoyed [laughs] at people crying.

Ben: Well, I mean, they kind of started off the film with a double whammy. It's like, "Here Lies Dobby, A Free Elf," and then Harry is looking at the mirror, and it's like, "Wow, this sucks."

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. So, I don't know. What did you guys - were you guys - was anybody else upset by the sobbing? I feel like it almost - at least in our theater, it got into a competition, like who could start sobbing the most?

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: So you would just hear like... [makes sobbing noises]

Ben: Yeah, it's like, I'm here to watch a film, not watch you cry.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Right.

Micah: It was two completely different experiences because when I saw the movie on Saturday, it was with a bunch of press who had no idea what was going to happen in the film, and there's no real emotion. And then you go and see it with everybody else who is actual fans of the series. Just a completely different experience.

Andrew: Right, yeah. It was brutal because it started - I would say about 45 minutes to an hour in, was when the real tears started going. It became this competition where at first you would hear [makes sobbing noises] and then... [makes louder sobbing noise]

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: And then somebody else on the other side goes... [makes louder sobbing noises]

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: It was just like a chorus.

Micah: It's like you're preparing yourself.

Andrew: It's like - what's that song called? "The Dueling Banjoes."

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: What were you going to say?

Micah: I was going to say it's like you're preparing yourself. You know the moment is coming when the scene is going to show up.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: And you're trying to - how much are people going to cry? What are they going to do?

Andrew: Yeah. Somebody told me there was somebody crying even just before Snape died, because they knew what was going to happen, so...

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: ...they were preparing themselves. You know when you're about to go over Splash Mountain, you just start screaming ahead of time?

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: At least that's what I do. I don't know if everybody else does that.

Eric: Yeah, I mean, can we blame them? [whispers] Yes.

Andrew: No - and on the opposite end - as somebody just said, what about the cheering? I mean, there was a lot of great cheering, too.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah, but that's a lot more positive than... [makes sobbing noises]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, that feels better.

Ben: I mean, I kind of, a little bit, lost it when he's all talking to his dead parents and stuff. When I read the book, that scene really resonated with me. But yeah, when that happened I was like, "Whoa, this got real," and what surprised me was how quickly - it didn't surprise me, this was Part 2, but they just went right into the action.

Andrew: Yup.

Ben: There was no messing around, which I thought was awesome.

Andrew: Mhm. At one point I tried to get the audience clapping with me because I felt like - occasionally, there was - I couldn't figure out why everybody decided at that moment to cheer for any specific reason, so what I did personally was at one point I just went, "Yeah!" But it didn't catch on at all and it was really bad.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: In fact, Andrew, the kids were at our screening, and I saw them look at you when you did that.

[Audience laughs]

Eric: You're very impressionable.

Andrew: Yeah. And I don't know if anybody else had this issue, but we were sitting in front of Andrew Slack, the guy from the Harry Potter Alliance.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: And I love Andrew, but for God's sake, he's sitting there - and those chairs, they need some WD-40 on them, they're squeaky. So he would start leaning back but he does it really slow. And these are crucial scenes, quiet moments, and you just hear... [makes squeaky sound]

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: And you petted his head at one point, and I just put my foot up on his seat to try and stop him because - what are you doing?! Do you not hear this? Sorry, Andrew.

Eric: Suffice to say though, the eighth Harry Potter film moved him.

[Audience laughs]

Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Discussion: Favorite Scenes

Andrew: [fake laughter] Door is that way, buddy. Just kidding. That's funny. So let's talk about favorite scenes.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: "All of them!"

[Audience laughs]

Audience Member: Prince's Tale!

Andrew: Prince's Tale. I think...

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Is that generally everybody's favorite scene?

[Audience makes noises of approval and disapproval]

Andrew: A comment - well, we'll get to them all. We'll get to them all. A comment a lot of people I have been hearing, and Melissa brought up on the Leaky Mug yesterday, was that Alan Rickman deserves an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: And it's deservedly so because in the other films you kind of see Alan, or Snape, as - the way he - he is a great Snape, but you really don't see any emotion out of him until this one, and I think it really struck people and that's why now they're saying, "Alan Rickman, Best Supporting Actor." What did you guys think of that scene? You're crying already. You're having an allergy attack or something.

Ben: Yeah, I'm just crying thinking about it.

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Audience: Awww.

Ben: Not really.

Andrew: Not really.

Ben: There's something with the lights and my nose and all that stuff.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: Honestly, I wish I could remember more of the movie. It was just all such a blur between all the cheering and the clapping and the crying and Andrew Slack moving his seat.

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Ben: And then next thing I know, the credits show up, and I'm just like, "Whoa, how did that happen?"

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Andrew: Micah, what did you think?

Micah: I just thought it was a great scene, an amazing scene.

Andrew: What other ones did you guys want to talk about? McGonagall?

Audience: McGonagall! [cheers]

Andrew: And I assume you're talking about the moment she walks out onto the steps and says, "Do your duty to the school!" Yeah?

Audience Member: Fighting Snape!

Andrew: Oh, and fighting Snape, too.

Eric: Defending Harry, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Personally, my favorite was the moment when she walks out and brings the statues to life. That was great.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: And that was another one of those applause cues, where everybody really applauded.

Micah: What did you think about the line she gave after that, though?

Andrew: Yeah, I didn't like that. I didn't like when she said, "Oh, I've always wanted to do that spell!" Just because as somebody who's such an - she's an older witch, and she's just doing the spell now for her first time? I mean, granted, okay, this may be the first battle where she has to bring the statues to life. But she's never brought statues to life before? I don't know, it's just - it was just a moment of comic relief that I felt wasn't needed because she just delivered these really badass lines, and then she has to do this little joke.

Ben: Well, maybe Dumbledore used to be the one who activated all the statues and stuff, and he never let her do it because it was like...

[Audience laughs]

Ben: was his thing, so now she's like, "Finally!"

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Eric: That's true. Wasn't he Transfiguration teacher? He used to be. Dumbledore used to be the Transfiguration teacher.

Audience Member: What about the line about Seamus?

Andrew: The line about Seamus?

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: The boom?

Audience: Yeah! [cheers]

Eric: What was it? Was it the "penchant for blowing things up"? Pyrotechnics. P-p-p pyrotechnics.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: She used alliteration, which is great fun.

Andrew: Yeah, it was great.

Eric: McGonagall was really good.

Andrew: What other scenes?

Audience: Neville!

Audience Member: Snape!

Andrew: Snape? Well yeah, we talked about - I mean, we didn't talk specifically about that one.

Audience Member: Draco and Voldemort hug!

[Audience laughs]

Andrew: Snape holding Lily's body, which is not in the book, right? Yeah, that was another one of those sobbing cues. That was a big one. That was a big one.

Ben: Wait, Draco and Voldemort hugged?

Audience: Yeah! [cheers]

Audience Member: Voldemort hugged Draco.

Eric: Well, it was kind of one-sided. Draco was crossing the courtyard.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: He hoped to get away scot-free, and Voldemort kind of suckered him into...

[Audience laughs]

Eric: ...a nice little - yeah.

Andrew: Ben turned to me at that moment and he said, "Why is everyone laughing?" And I was like, well, because Snape and Voldemort - Draco and Voldemort are hugging. It was just - but you know what I thought about that? I may have brought this up yesterday to somebody. It was - Voldemort was so good in this film because Ralph Fiennes kind of pulled off this Joker from The Dark Knight where he's so evil, but also crazy and just silly, and moments like that. And then there's also a moment, I think a little before that, where Voldemort makes a little noise. He just goes like, "Umph!"

[Audience laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I think that was when one of his Horcruxes was destroyed.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Eric: When it was just a shot of him, and he was like, "Umph!"

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And then he like took it all in, but the camera didn't move.

Andrew: Speaking of that, those realization scenes where you see Harry and Voldemort both realize that another Horcrux has been killed, where Harry experiences Voldemort's pain. The one part was when that one time when Harry jumps into the lake and then he comes out, and Voldemort realizes that the cup has been stolen and you just see him freak out. And then there was another one later on, which was around that time, I guess.

Eric: Yeah. Each time Harry learns what the next Horcrux is or where to start...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: find the next Horcrux, which I thought was - I mean, it's different from the books, where Voldemort - he has that memory where Voldemort first learns that Harry is destroying the Horcruxes, which I think happened a lot sooner in the movie. But just the whole pattern made it really flow a lot better, Harry's journey to destroying the Horcruxes and kind of explaining how that can realistically be achieved.

Andrew: Yeah. What other favorite scene should we talk about?

[Audience calls out suggestions]

Andrew: Oh, Neville. Okay, yeah, let's talk about Neville.

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: And then I think I heard "Bellatrix." We should talk about her. So, Neville, as in the books, he has this huge comeback and he becomes the hero, killing Nagini. Yeah, what do you guys - anyone want to talk about that?

Eric: He rigs the bridge with explosives.

[Andrew and Audience laughs]

Eric: He's got cuts and scrapes. He can walk through portraits.

Andrew: Yeah. I didn't like - you guys are going to hate me for this, but I did not like Neville in this, making that comeback. I don't know, it just didn't - I was actually just annoyed by Matt Lewis. [laughs] Sorry.

[Audience boos]

Andrew: Because it just sort of comes out of nowhere. It's like suddenly he's the hero. And I know in the book you understand it more, but I don't know, maybe I just don't like Matt Lewis.

[Audience boos]

Andrew: Sorry. Sorry.

Eric: Somebody had to do it.

Andrew: Somebody had to do it. Yeah, I mean, it was great. Everybody loved it. Everybody got all fired up, so...

Audience Member: There's no build-up, though.

Andrew: There's no build-up, right.

Audience Member: It's like Dobby in Part 1. It just came out of nowhere.

Andrew: Yeah, the Dobby thing. It just comes out of nowhere. [laughs] I'm just repeating what he said.

Ben: Something that made me unhappy about - not Neville and Luna, but...

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I mean, changing gears here a little bit, the death scene where Voldemort dies, and he just kind of evaporates and turns into confetti. I didn't like that.

Micah: And what about Bellatrix, too, when she just kind of bursts into pieces?

Eric: Yeah.

Audience Member: Finish her!

[Audience and Eric laugh]

Eric: Fatality.

Andrew: So, how did everybody like Julie Walters' delivery of the line?

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: Give it up!

Ben: [laughs] Give it up for Molly Weasley, yeah!

[Audience cheers]

Andrew: So she - and in the books it's all caps, so I think you probably would have expected a giant scream.

Ben: It was more like, [imitating Julie Waters] "Not my daughter." [back to normal voice] It was really slow and...

Andrew: It was stern.

Ben: ...kind of deliberate.

Andrew: Yeah.

Audience Member: They did the same thing in the first book, with Hagrid.

Andrew: They did the same thing in the first book, with Hagrid. [laughs] Here, come on up to the mic.

Audience Member: When Harry first meets Hagrid, in the book, it's all caps when Uncle Vernon insults Albus.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Audience Member: And he's like, "Don't you..." all caps, and then in the movie he was just like, [quietly] "Don't you insult him."

[Andrew and Audience laugh]

Audience Member: It was the same thing with that.

Andrew: So, did you guys like that more stern change? The more serious "Not my daughter, you bitch"?

Eric: Yeah. Plus - I mean, they're in a lot closer quarters it seems in the movie. They're right next to each other. And even though she's emotional, I thought they really built the performance around that. That line was - the way she delivered it was the way she felt she would deliver it, as opposed to just screaming her head off. There was more sort of a daring, getting a rise out of Bellatrix by intimidating her.

Audience Member: There wasn't much build-up though.

Eric: That's true, that...

Andrew: It was very quick.

Eric: They were going between the scenes of Harry chasing Voldemort and the rest of the battle.

Andrew: I heard a report from another screening that people obviously knew the big line was about to come up, and somebody screamed in advance of the big line hitting because it was like, "Oh my God, it's about to happen! Ahhh!" And then, apparently, that person who heard that was annoyed by that. [laughs] In the trailer talk episodes, the Part 2 trailer talk, we discussed how Voldemort quite frequently in the trailer goes "NYAHHHHH!"...

[Audience laughs]

Andrew:, what, twelve times or something?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But not in this movie at all.

Eric: Not once. Nope.

Andrew: Not once. [laughs] They heard all the complaints. They were like, "Let's cut out this silly sound."

Eric: That's - I'm glad they got them all out of their way with the previews. That line, I was so worried about it.

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