MuggleCast 238 Transcript (continued)
Muggle Mail: S.P.E.W. - Society of the Pottermore E-mail Waiters
Andrew: Next e-mail is from Jello, 14:
"Hello guys. Urgh, waiting for Pottermore e-mail is starting to feel annoying. I am officially a member of S.P.E.W. - Society of the Pottermore E-mail Waiters. Haha, saw that from Facebook. Can't wait for the new episode!"
Eric: Oh, I see what she did there. [laughs]
Andrew: I included that because that was funny.
Eric: Yeah. [laughs]
Andrew: You two are in that, too. In S.P.E.W.
Micah: Yeah, still waiting for that e-mail. I thought at least I could get it on my birthday [laughs] last week, but that didn't work out.
Andrew: Awww, sorry.
Micah: Awww. You want me to take the next e-mail?
Andrew: Well, you get the next e-mail, at least.
Micah: Yeah, what a consolation.
Muggle Mail: Epilogue Suggestions
Micah: Next e-mail is from Claire, 12, of California. She says:
"Hi MuggleCast! I'm a big fan of your show like everyone else, and this e-mail is in response to Episode 237. You asked if there was anything in the seventh book that we wish was in the movie."
I keep getting these e-mails.
"My answer is the very last bit of the epilogue where it says, 'The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years. All was well.' This was one of the parts of the book that you remember that's just stuck in your brain forever. And it's not just because it's the last line of the books that made the author one of the most famous writers ever. Rowling has the gift of turning something so plain and ordinary as 'The end' into something beautiful and enchanting. I think they could have done this effect by having Harry look a bit worried as he watches the train leave the station, Ginny tells him that their kids will be fine, then Harry would tell her that his scar hadn't hurt for nineteen years. All is well. Thanks for reading, Claire."
Eric: Hmm. So, turning "all was well" into dialogue as the closing line of the film. What do you guys think?
Andrew: That would have been kind of nice, but it had potential to get really cheesy, I think.
Eric: I think in the epilogue they were so worried about getting the makeup right, too, that they're just like, "Oh yeah, we're going to be minimalist with the dialogue here." But it was...
Eric: It was a nice...
Micah: ...keep in line - keep in line. [laughs] Yeah, you keep in line!
Eric: [laughs] Oh, geez.
Micah: No, keep in mind that the epilogue was shot twice, so it was shot once in the station and then it was shot at Leavesden Studios. And there are things, as Will and Arthur talk about in the interview, that were changed...
Micah: ...because of the location change. So, there was actually more dialogue in the first one. And there was actually another character in the first one that [laughs] didn't make it into the second one. And so I'm sure that maybe they played around with this idea. I mean, Andrew, was it you who said that they shot something, like four different endings for the Malfoys?
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Micah: So, it is possible that they did shoot a number of different endings to the movie.
Andrew: Mhm. Just decided what - I think in this case silence kind of worked best.
Micah: Well, it did because you had that same John Williams song playing as it did when the first movie ended.
Andrew: Yeah. And by the way, you gathered "all was well" without them saying it. I mean, in the scene...
Andrew: ...all was well, so any reader probably thought it in their heads. "All was well." Clearly all was well here. [laughs]
Andrew: You know?
Andrew: So, it could have been like sort of...
Eric: That's a good point.
Andrew: ...silent acknowledgement.
Eric: That's a good point.
Muggle Mail: Listening to MuggleCast While Hunting Blackberries
Eric: Next e-mail comes from Mandy, 24, from California.
"Hey MuggleCasters, this is Mandy. I've been with you guys from the beginning and I love the show! I was at my fiance's house the other day when he decided it was time for us to pick the last of his blackberry bushes and trim them back. On my way outside, I suddenly remembered Andrew saying, 'If anyone listens to us while they hunt blackberries, let us know.' So, I ran to my car and grabbed my iPod so I could listen while hunting blackberries. Just thought you'd want to know! Thanks for reading, and again, I absolutely love and look forward to the show. Mandy."
Andrew: Excellent. Thank you, Mandy.
Micah: Any other requests this week, Andrew?
Andrew: No, but actually on MuggleCast Twitter, somebody said, "Hey look, we're in a blackberry field while listening to MuggleCast," and this person included a picture of blackberries.
Muggle Mail: Pottermore Review
Andrew: So, it's been a good success, my request. Next e-mail comes from Pablo Ruiz, 18, of Colombia:
"I suppose you guys want reviews from us lucky users that are already inside Pottermore. Here's mine: Jo never disappoints. The extra material she has provided is extremely interesting, especially all we learn about wandlore and it is a lot. The images on the site are amazing, too. As a companion to the book, I found it extremely useful and it does add to the experience. However, I have some complaints. First of all, brewing potions is really hard. One little mistake and you got it wrong. That's not too bad, it's realistic. But after waiting one-hundred minutes and doing everything right, you get five points. If you just enter potion-making and you click your wand right away, they give you one point for trying. It's ridiculous! And I think they're so scared for children that they didn't realize there's absolutely no way to interact with other people. You can be friends and give gifts to each other, but you can't comment on other posts, send messages to other people, etc. To summarize, you can't make friends through Pottermore, and what we all love from being part of the 'Potter' fandom is how easy it is to make friends based only in the series. But here you are, the first official Jo/'Potter' site and no way of making friends."
"I know this is long but I hope you can use it. Pickles!"
Andrew: Says Pablo.
Andrew: It is a valid concern. You can't really interact with people. You can challenge them to a duel but you can't talk.
Eric: So, J.K. Rowling hates friendship. That's what we learned.
Micah: Well, what do you guys think about, as far as what we're going to do, reviewing content? Are we going to wait until all of us get in? Are we going to wait until the site officially opens up to everyone...
Andrew: Mmm, good question.
Micah: ...to start talking a little bit about the content that's provided?
Eric: Well, it's too late to start talking about it. Well, I mean, I guess if we're talking about specific content, like doing a review of the content?
Eric: Okay. Yeah, I don't know.
Micah: Yeah - no, I would think - and listeners can feel free to e-mail us, but I would think that they would want to be in it themselves and utilizing it...
Micah: ...before we talk about it.
Andrew: Yeah. So, we could still do reviews, but we won't start discussing the specifics.
Andrew: The specific new information...
Eric: Makes sense to me.
Andrew: ...that Jo reveals.
Andrew: All right, so that's it for e-mails. Now it's time for Micah, your interview with Will Dunn, who plays James Sirius Potter, and Arthur Bowen, who plays Albus Severus Potter!
Interview: Will Dunn and Arthur Bowen
Micah: All right, we are now joined by Will Dunn and Arthur Bowen, who play James Sirius and Albus Severus respectively in Deathly Hallows: Part 2. Guys, how are you doing?
Will Dunn: Yeah, we're good, thanks.
Arthur Bowen: We're good, thanks. How are you?
Micah: Doing well, doing well. And I know it's been, I guess, a month now, but you guys were recently down in Orlando for LeakyCon 2011. What was that experience like for you guys, kind of being immersed into the fandom and kind of getting an experience for what it's all like? I know you were at the premiere in London just before that, but actually walking amongst all the other fans and kind of experiencing that for the first time.
Will: It was awesome. I mean, it was really weird because we'd never really experienced anything like that before, and then we came in and there were all these thousands of screaming fans at the opening of it, and it was just really - it was, I guess, an insight into how crazy the world of Potter can be.
Arthur: Yeah, exactly. What Will said, it just opened up a new world of how the people - the fans of Harry Potter are really mental.
Micah: But mental in a good way though, right?
Will: Yeah, in a good way, of course.
Arthur: Yeah, in a good way.
Micah: So, was this your first trip, though, over to the United States? Had you been here before?
Will: No, I hadn't.
Arthur: No, I hadn't, yeah.
Will: We hadn't, no. It's our first one, and it was great. [laughs]
Arthur: Yeah, it was fun.
Micah: And you got a chance to go to the theme park, to the Wizarding World. What was it like comparing your time at Leavesden versus actually walking into the theme park for the first time?
Will: Well, of course at Leavesden there's all the scaffolding, isn't there?
Will: So, it's kind of - it was more real, but of course it was so hot because we went there at night, and it was so hot so that was a little bit...
Will: ...[laughs] of a downer, I guess. But yeah, it was amazing because obviously it's real as they make them, they're not entirely real, whereas this felt so much more real because it was sort of the full thing, I guess.
Arthur: Yeah, exactly. That's pretty much what I was going to say.
Micah: What was your favorite part about the park? I mean, I guess ride-wise. Did you go on all the rides, or did you only go on a few? Which one did you like the most?
Arthur: Well, I went on all the Harry Potter world rides, so I guess my favorite was the red Chinese dragon, that was really cool.
Micah: Oh, okay.
Will: Yeah, they were pretty crazy. [laughs]
Arthur: Yeah, it was really quick.
Micah: Yeah. Did you get a chance to go on the Forbidden Journey inside the castle?
Arthur: Yeah, I did, but that made me feel really sick.
Will: Yeah, he'd been on all the rides and...
Will: ...those ones are bad enough. And then he went on this one and it's all motion-y...
Will: ...instead of being a proper roller coaster, so he came back and he practically collapsed...
Arthur: Yeah, I felt so bad.
Will: ...at the Leaky Cauldron, which was a little worrying. [laughs]
Arthur: [laughs] Yeah.
Micah: Yeah, I had a hard time on the Flight of the Hippogriff, actually. I thought that that was a little bit more scarier than the actual Forbidden Journey, but I don't know. That might just say that I'm not a roller coaster person.
Will: I think the spiders freak you out as well, don't they?
Arthur: Yeah. Was the Hippogriff one the one which you had like no safety in it? Because in the dragon one you had like...
Micah: Yeah, yeah, exactly. The one by Hagrid's hut.
Arthur: Oh yeah, that's it.
Micah: Now did you - you explored around the rest of the Wizarding World, I'm guessing. Did you go into Ollivander's?
Arthur: Yeah, we did.
Will: Yes, we did.
Arthur: Yeah, and they like did all these effects and ringing bells...
Will: Whooshing and stuff like that! [laughs]
Arthur: Yeah, all that stuff.
Will: Yeah, which was great.
Arthur: Yeah, it was.
Micah: And did you go over and eat in the Three Broomsticks? Did you have Butterbeers? So, you guys got the full experience, then.
Will: Arthur attempted, but of course the only time we went there was...
Arthur: Yeah, was after I was feeling really ill, so I didn't have a Butterbeer.
Will: Unfortunately. But it was very nice, very nice stuff! [laughs]
Will: Very sweet.
Micah: You did - I guess you probably saw a lot of the other parks and things like that when you were down there. Is there anything comparable to that, I guess, over in England?
Will: No. Well, there's Alton Towers and Thorpe Park, I guess.
Arthur: Thorpe Park, I guess, some of the rides are pretty good.
Will: There's some pretty intense ones there, but...
Arthur: But yeah, altogether, all the theme parks...
Will: Nothing that's based on something and it's so realistic, I think.
Arthur: Yeah, yeah.
Will: Like, we don't have anything like that in England, I don't think.
Arthur: Yeah, and the rides are probably better.
Will: Yeah. [laughs]
Micah: Overall though, I mean, what was your favorite part of the convention? Or was it just being down there and getting to experience all this for the first time?
Arthur: Well, it was that and also the ball at the end.
Will: Which I couldn't go to! I had to fly home early. That was horrible. [laughs]
Arthur: Yeah, that was really fun.
Micah: Nice. No, I did as well. I flew home, I think, Saturday evening, so I missed out on that. So, Arthur, you were the only one there. I mean...
Arthur: It was good.
Will: He was the only one representing the three of us, but...
Will: Yeah. But the Q&As for me were awesome, I loved the Q&As.
Arthur: Yeah, the Q&As.
Will: And when we walked out that was really funny, when it's "young Arthur Bowen," everyone starts screaming!
Arthur: And also me and Will's banter.
Will: Oh yes, the banter. I took the mick out of you a little bit too much then, didn't I?
Arthur: Yeah, but then I got my revenge.
Will: He did.
Micah: Did you get tough questions? I mean, were they - did the fans really challenge you guys, or was there nothing that you guys couldn't answer?
Will: There was a question about the shipping, about which - do you ship your characters' parents?
Arthur: Oh yeah.
Will: Which everybody sort of froze a bit at and I sort of said, "Can we not go into the Draco/Harry thing?" Because I really didn't want to go into that.
Will: But yeah, I think that one for me was pretty...
Arthur: But the thing is...
Will: ...odd. [laughs]
Arthur: ...for some of the questions, I'm not being rude, but it was sort of the same answer for everyone...
Arthur: ...so it was a bit awkward.
Will: Yeah, it was a little...
Will: Well, it was quite funny by the end...
Arthur: Because you sort of had to say...
Will: ...because everyone says...
Arthur: ..."Yeah, basically the same." [laughs]
Will: ..."Yes, it was amazing!" [laughs]
Arthur: Yes, it was amazing...
Arthur: ...when we did that.
Micah: Yeah. All right. Well, I want to kind of shift it to talk a little bit about the movie, Deathly Hallows: Part 2. The epilogue scene had to be shot twice, right?
Will: It did, yeah.
Arthur: Yeah, it did.
Micah: And - I mean, what was the decision behind that? I mean, do you guys know why they decided to - because once it was in the actual station, and then it was moved to Leavesden, right?
Will: Yeah. Well, it was ridiculously busy at King's Cross...
Will: ...or something.
Arthur: Yeah, and also I thought...
Will: The makeup.
Arthur: Yeah, the makeup and...
Will: The makeup was...
Arthur: And they looked too - like Dan and Rupert, they looked too old.
Will: Yeah, I think the girls looked okay.
Arthur: Yeah, and they didn't like the script.
Arthur: I think they didn't, but I don't know.
Will: Yeah, I think he wanted to focus more on you, didn't he?
Will: He wanted to focus more on Albus's story of going to Hogwarts for the first time...
Will: ... so they changed things around a bit. Yeah, I think that's - and also the makeup because the makeup was...
Will: I mean, it was...
Arthur: It was really cool but it got over the top.
Will: Yeah, exactly.
Micah: Now was it dripping on the floor, or - I mean...
[Arthur and Will laugh]
Will: Well, that's the funny thing. On the first day, do you remember Dan had a fan?
Arthur: Yeah, yeah.
Will: Just so it wouldn't melt on his face...
Arthur: Yeah, yeah.
Will: ...which was really funny. But yeah, it was realistic but it was too old, really.
Arthur: Yeah, it was too old. They looked like...
Arthur: Yeah, seventy.
Micah: What was that scene like though, Arthur? I mean, like Will pointed out, the focal point of the epilogue really went to the conversation that you were having with your father. Was that kind of an intense scene to shoot? What was that like?
Arthur: Well, yeah, I guess it was a bit. It was pretty intense and I had quite a lot of pressure to get it right.
Will: You did good though, mate. [laughs]
Arthur: Yeah, so it was pretty - yeah.
Will: It was - yeah, it was sort of - I remember a funny thing about that, actually. Was it that Dan didn't know how to tie a shoelace?
Will: And so his double had to step in just to do that little shot, which is very funny. [laughs]
Arthur: Also, I had a cold in the scene...
Arthur: ...and it looked like I had been crying...
Arthur: ...which had quite a good effect. [laughs]
Will: Yeah, we all had terrible colds that week, so...
Micah: Oh, so what was it, probably in the middle of the winter some time? Or...
Will: Yeah, yeah it was.
Arthur: It was like just before Christmas.
Will: It was really snowy at Leavesden, actually. It was ridiculous.
Arthur: Yeah, it was.
Will: Yeah, so it was very snowy, so we easily got colds. [laughs]
Micah: I know that many listeners have asked about Teddy Lupin and according to a lot of reports that the websites got, he was cast in the film.
Will: He was, yeah.
Micah: Was he in the initial epilogue you shot and then just never made it to the final...
Will: He was in the original, wasn't he? Because I was...
Arthur: Yeah, he was with you...
Arthur: ...with owls and stuff.
Will: There's a scene - I don't really know if I can give it away, but he basically shares a look with Dan and I'm with him - with Teddy for that bit and I think they're putting it on the DVD extras.
Will: I think Luke mentioned that they're going to put it on the DVD extras, so...
Arthur: Yeah, he's a good actor.
Will: He's great. He did a really good job of that, yeah. A really good job.
Micah: Cool. Now what was your favorite part of the movie aside from the epilogue? Let's put the epilogue out of it. [laughs] What - I mean, sitting down and seeing the film, which part did you like the most?
Will: That's a tough one.
Will: Go on.
Arthur: Okay, thanks. My part was probably the bit when Voldemort dies and then he crumbles into the sky.
Arthur: I don't know. I think that's really cool.
Will: Yeah, that was really good. That was really cool in 3D, wasn't it?
Arthur: Yeah, it was.
Will: I don't know.
Arthur: That was a really good bit.
Will: I love the general epicness of the whole movie. There was a bit when they're all setting up the defenses and that was...
Will: And the music. The music was so good. He did a great job, Alexandre Desplat. But yeah, I just think the bit when they're sort of putting up the defenses because it's just ridiculously epic, and the fight between Harry and Voldemort. That's really good.
Arthur: Yeah. Yeah, that was really good.
Will: That's really good.
Micah: Cool. Well - I mean, who did - I don't know if that's - I was going to say, who did you enjoy working with the most? But I don't know if you're - you're probably not allowed to play favorites in that sense, are you?
[Arthur and Will laugh]
Will: Yeah, I don't know. Well, Dan was a laugh, wasn't he?
Arthur: Yeah, they were all really nice.
Will: They were. They were really welcoming, all of them.
Arthur: But I probably spent most of my time with Dan...
Will: Yeah, we all did.
Arthur: ...because he is my dad in that sense.
Arthur: So, I had most of the scenes with him.
Will: Yeah, we had a lot.
Arthur: But they were all really nice.
Will: They were all great, they were all fantastic.
Micah: Now, what did you think about Deathly Hallows passing the one billion dollar mark? I mean, it's moved passed Star Wars.
Micah: It's the highest grossing franchise of all time. All these records are being shattered, and it's pretty impressive. One billion dollars is a lot of money, and it's still going on. So, what do you guys think of all that?
Will: It's ridiculous. I mean, I guess it's sort of to be expected because it is such a huge franchise.
Arthur: Yeah, exactly.
Will: But it was absolutely amazing, the fact that they've got - it's just a ridiculous amount of money, isn't it? It's like with football players - or soccer players. It's like when soccer players get sold or bought they go for ridiculous amounts of money, but this is like...
Will: ...hundreds of times...
Will: ...multiplied by that, so it's just really kind of mind blowing.
Arthur: Yeah, it's like..
Will: And to be involved in that as well.
Arthur: ...amazing. Yeah, exactly, to be involved in that.
Micah: Yeah, so how much of that do you guys get? Like 400, 500 million? I mean...
[Arthur and Will laugh]
Will: Yeah, something like that.
Micah: [laughs] You're already looking at all the mansions and the cars, and everything that you're going to...
Will: Absolutely. [laughs]
Micah: Now, you guys are both pretty active on Twitter.
Micah: What do you like about it? Is it the ability to interact with your fans? The ability to interact with the cast? Is it kind of a combination of all that?
Arthur: Yeah, I would say it's a combination.
Will: Yeah, it's a combination because obviously we can keep in touch via other ways, but...
Arthur: Yeah, exactly.
Will: ...there's always loads of people that are really keen to talk, and so it's cool to chat to all of them and you get the really crazy ones that say, "Reply me! Reply me!"
Will: And then you get the ones that ask really good questions and...
Will: ...we can all join in with some banter and just stuff like that.
Arthur: Yeah, it's fun.
Will: It's great.
Arthur: It's so much fun.
Will: Really enjoy it, yeah.
Micah: And as far as the other cast members, you guys seem to be pretty close with the...
Micah: It seems like some of the epilogue actors and actresses, you guys stay in pretty close touch with, and then also some of the other actors and actresses that are on Twitter from the series as a whole.
Will: It's really me, you - it's just all the epilogue kids...
Will: ...the flashback kids.
Arthur: I would say mostly me and Will stuck together.
Will: Yeah, we're tight. [laughs]
Arthur: Yeah, we're tight.
Will: And then you've got Evanna and Scarlett - Scarlett Byrne, Chris Rankin...
Arthur: They are all really nice, and then you've got Ryan...
Will: Ryan of course, yeah.
Arthur: ...and Benedict...
Arthur: ...and Bertie.
Will: And Bertie.
Arthur: He's so funny.
Will: With his fantastic videos. Yeah, so we're all really - I think we're all really close, especially - I think Florida, because we were all staying in houses with each other and we all got quite a lot closer.
Will: Yeah, it was - yeah, we're all very good friends now. Yeah.
Micah: Cool! Now, are you guys excited for Pottermore?
Arthur: Well, I don't - to be honest, I don't really know anything about it, so...
Will: Yeah. [laughs] It's basically like a fan - sort of an interactive book, fan experience, isn't it, really?
Will: Yeah, I'm really - I've got my e-mail, I'm going to be on it, which is fantastic. Yeah, I'm just really looking forward to seeing what it's like because there's been so much speculation
Will: And there's been a few people that are on but I haven't really seen much of that because I want to just sort of take it in when I get it. But yeah, I'm just really looking forward to checking it out and seeing what J.K. Rowling has got up her sleeve next. [laughs]
Micah: Yeah, it seems like - they did a panel on it at LeakyCon where they kind of gave a look into it so you could see what you could expect and now it just seems as if everybody is waiting for that letter, that early access to get into Pottermore.
Will: Yeah, I think for the people that have got in, it's just fantastic because they will be ridiculously excited about that.
Arthur: Yeah, they were.
Will: But obviously the people that haven't are just like, "No!"
Micah: [laughs] It's frustrating, right?
Will: It is.
Will: And also - they got easier, but the clues at the beginning were actually quite hard.
Arthur: Yeah, I don't what we're on about it, but okay, yeah.
Will: There were these clues at the beginning that you could get so you could get your username.
Arthur: What? [laughs]
Will: But they got easier, so there was only a couple that were actually tricky. But yeah, I'm still one of the people that haven't got it. [laughs]
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