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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the show. This is the place where we bring the latest in Harry Potter news, discussions, cooking recipes, drum sets, iPods, thumb drives, house keys. It's all right here bundled into a little hour of your time. I'm Andrew Sims.
Ben: I am Ben Schoen.
Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Ciaran: I'm Ciaran.
Andrew: [in high-pitched voice] Hey!
Andrew: I got so excited my voice almost cracked.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: New MuggleCaster on this week with us. Seer... Ciar... [laughs]
[Ben and Kevin laugh]
Andrew: [laughs] Ciaran! Welcome, Ciaran!
Andrew: [laughs] Hey! Clearly, you hate me now.
Andrew: Before we go anywhere else, let's check in with Micah for the past week's, the past two weeks' top Harry Potter news stories.
Micah: Thanks, Andrew.
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is now situated at #10 on the list of the highest-grossing films of all time. Chamber of Secrets is in seventh position having earned $876.7 million. Goblet of Fire has grossed a total of $866 million worldwide.
WB has also announced that Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: The IMAX Experience is now IMAX's highest grossing digitally re-mastered 2D release. It earned a staggering $16 million on 89 screens around the globe.
Harry Potter has received several nominations at the 2006 Moviefone Moviegoer Awards. Nominations are in the areas of Movie of the Year, Actor of the Year (Dan Radcliffe), Actress of the Year (Emma Watson), Best Scene-Stealer (Brendan Gleeson), and Vilest Villain (Ralph Fiennes).
The 2006 BAFTA nominations have been announced - Goblet of Fire has been nominated in the categories of "Production design," "Achievement in special visual effects" and "Make Up and Hair." The awards, hosted by Stephen Fry, will be held on February 19th in the Odeon Leicester Square, London.
Warner Brothers Home Video confirmed on January 11 that Goblet of Fire will be released on DVD, March 7th. The film will be available as a single-disc, a two-disc special edition, and as part of a collector's set of the first four films.
Moving on to Order of the Phoenix, Warner Bros. announced on Tuesday that they have narrowed down the 15,000 Luna Lovegood hopefuls who turned up at the open casting call on Saturday to just 400. Order of the Phoenix casting director Fiona Weir said:
And actor Chris Rankin confirmed yesterday that he will be coming back as Percy Weasley for the fifth movie after being absent from Goblet of Fire.
In book news, Scholastic has announced that Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince will be released in its paperback form on July 25th for a retail price of $9.99. There will be an initial print run of two million copies.
Aaron Lambert, the genius who stole two copies of Half-Blood Prince last June, has been sentenced to prison for four and a half years . The body-builder later attempted to sell the books to a Sun newspaper reporter, threatening him with an imitation firearm. Following the incident, Lambert admitted to two counts of phoning and blackmailing Harry Potter publisher Bloomsbury.
Jo Rowling recently sat down with Tatler Magazine for a very in-depth interview. A portion of the interview has been published in the UK newspaper The Telegraph. She discussed everything from her fund-raising for Multiple Sclerosis to the new children's book she has finished. The interview will be published in its entirety in the February 2006 edition of Tatler. Scans of Jo and transcript of the interview are available on MuggleNet.com.
The author of the Harry Potter series, J.K. Rowling may take part in a charity dinner on January 25 organized by Baroness Emma Nicholson in Bucharest, with the purpose of raising money for children in European orphanages. A public TV station will also interview the Harry Potter author. The program will air Wednesday, January 25th at 9:50 PM.
Finally, PotterCaster John Noe set fire to his dorm while trying to cook dinner. The building had to be evacuated. Noe later admitted he wasn't really cooking but attempting to destroy a set of Horcri in the back of the stove.
That's all the news for this January 23rd, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.
Andrew: [laughs] Thank you, Micah. So, first of all, we need to apologize to everyone. I guess apologize, because people were upset.
Ben: For what?
Kevin: They were. They were very upset.
Andrew: We have... Well, we...we duped everyone by not showing up last week for the show. We were a little busy. We had some scheduling problems, not everyone could be on at the same time. So, we're sorry, I guess.
Andrew: We shouldn't be sorry. We put out 31 shows for the past...since early August.
[Andrew and Kevin laugh]
Andrew: [in old man's voice] Give us a break please!
Ben: Actually, Andrew had a hot date at Sophomore Cotillion. Oooh.
Andrew: Are you saying the show can't go on without me, Ben? [laughs]
Ben: No, I'm saying there were other scheduling conflicts, but your particular scheduling conflict was the lamest of all.
Kevin: Yeah, it was.
Ben: The lamest of the lame.
Andrew: Sorry I had a life. Announcements! Last week instead of bringing you the new show, we brought you a MuggleCast Remix created by Eric Scull. He wanted us to plug it because he really did do a great job on it and he put a lot time on it. So, definitely give it a listen. You can download it at MuggleCast.com. We didn't put it in the feed because we weren't sure if everyone would want to get it. But, it is really good. So, check it out. Also, Micah Tan has a quick update on the transcripts for us.
Micah: Yeah. I've been getting a lot of e-mails asking about where the last, I think three transcripts are. They are on the new MuggleCast.com site. We have a cool little update box that Andrew put on there that has the most recent transcript in it, as well as the "Transcript" link in the navigation bar because we're not updating MuggleNet.com's main page anymore when we release our transcripts. They are only going to be on MuggleCast.com.
Ben: [in deep voice] Thanks, Micah.
Andrew: Thank you. Yeah, so that whole update, that tab bar thing - I don't even know what to call it - at the top of MuggleCast.com on the main page, that has all the latest news updates and stuff like that. So, we encourage you...
Ben: It's called pure genius is what it is called, Andrew.
Andrew: Thank you, Ben. Thank you. So, we encourage everyone to check that often to stay updated with what's going on around the site and the show. So, let's jump right into the main discussion this week, which would be, as promised, Hagrid. Rubeus Hagrid. That's how you pronounce it, right?
Ben: It's "Ru-bay-is." According to the Scholastic Pronunciation Guide, it's "Ru-bay-is."
Kevin: According to the movies, it's...
Andrew: Rubeus, Rubus...
Laura: It's Rubeus.
Ben: [in cackling voice] Ru, Ru, Rubeus Hagrid!
Ben: Let's give you some information about Hagrid. He's a half-blood. His mother is Fridwulfa, one of the latest remaining British giants. His father was a Muggle and she abandoned his family when Hagrid was only three years old.
Ben: Awww. His Dad died in 1941-1942 during Hagrid's second year at Hogwarts. Hagrid has a brother, half-giant brother named Grawp who has actually becomes civilized in the last book. He was raised by his human father and was orphaned in his second year at Hogwarts. By the way, I made a mistake. His father was not a Muggle. His father was a wizard, so please don't spam my inbox.
Ben: Hagrid has a love for very, very dangerous creatures. Things like dragons, Acromantulas or giant spiders, Hippogriffs, you know, big giant dogs, three-headed dogs. Yeah, and Hagrid is a big, fluffy, loveable guy, and we all love him. Right, guys?
Andrew: So, what is up with his love for magical creatures? Why does he have such a love for them?
Laura: I think it's because he can sort of identify with them. Because people see them as, you know, dangerous, obviously. And people see Hagrid as being dangerous because he is part giant. And Hagrid always talks about how he can see himself in Harry, so I think he likes to be close with creatures that he can identify with.
Ben: Not only that, but it has a lot to do with, like you said, he can identify with them because they are outcasts, they're dangerous, people think they don't belong with the rest of society, and they think the same thing about him.
Kevin: Not to mention a lot of the creatures he gets aren't dangerous to him because of his size.
Andrew: Yeah, they are intimidated by him.
Kevin: [laughs] Yeah, so I mean, you know, they're dangerous to wizards and Muggles, but to Hagrid it is just a normal creature.
Andrew: So, really he is perfect for the position at Hogwarts.
Andrew: That he currently is in.
Ben: He develops a love for all these creatures. I think Laura and I both already hit it on the head, that the reason he likes them is because he is able to identify with them, and he was an outcast, they were an outcast...they are outcasts. So, he has to find someone like him or something like him because I doubt he had many friends when he was at Hogwarts because they thought he opened the Chamber of Secrets. They thought he was trying to Petrify everyone.
Ben: Speaking of which, since he was expelled in his second year, what do you guys think about his magical ability, I guess you would say?
Kevin: It's very, very...
Kevin: Limited. Exactly.
Kevin: That's the word. [laughs]
Kevin: He really doesn't have a great knowledge of magic and I think that's one of the reasons why he identifies with magical creatures. Because there is really no need for a vast knowledge in Dark Arts to control them.
Ben: What was Hagrid doing the night of Voldemort's demise? We all know he met with Sirius to get the motorbike and to go get... Well, that was actually after his demise, but he had to end up going to get...Harry, actually. [laughs] He stole Sirius Black's motorcycle. What do you guys think went on that night?
Laura: I don't know because there is a whole day lost in there.
Kevin: Well, I think Hagrid was always considered to be one of Dumbledore's most trusted friends.
Ben: He trusted him with the Sorcerer's Stone too. So...obviously...
Kevin: Exactly. So, I think that whatever he was doing, it was vital to the Order and Dumbledore would trust him with it.
Laura: Oh, of course.
Ben: Yeah, because you notice at the beginning of Sorcerer's Stone McGonagall says, "Why would you trust Hagrid with such a thing?" And then Dumbledore says, [impersonating Dumbledore] "Professor McGonagall, I would trust Hagrid with my life."
Andrew: Why, though? What developed that trust?
Ben: There had to be some thing.
Laura: Well, I mean you look at Hagrid... He was...
Andrew: I know.
Ben: Maybe he has just been reliable over the years.
Laura: Well, yeah. He's served as gamekeeper for years and years, and Dumbledore has plenty of time to get to know him, not to mention Hagrid is fiercely loyal. I mean, he has never once in the books broken an alliance to someone he promised one to.
Ben: Yeah, and the thing about that is, is do you think... Why do you think Hagrid was in Gryffindor? Don't you think he should have been in Hufflepuff because of the whole loyalty thing?
Laura: Well, he's really brave too. I mean...
Kevin: But you never know, because we never got a chance to see what Hagrid would have developed with magically. So, it's possible that he has some skill that we don't know because he was kicked out of school too early.
Laura: Yeah, but we also know that you can have multiple traits...
Kevin: Talents, yeah.
Laura: ...that apply to different Houses. You know, we see Hermione, who the Sorting Hat considered putting her into Ravenclaw. So, it is entirely possible that Hagrid could have some Hufflepuff traits, but I think his bravery pretty much outweighs that and would make sense for him being in Gryffindor.
Andrew: Is there still a question about, is it really a big deal what happened with the motorcycle? Where the motorcycle went?
Laura: Didn't Jo say that we were going to find out? It seems like she did, but I don't remember.
Andrew: I just don't see what's the big deal about finding out.
Kevin: I don't see the significance.
Andrew: Yeah. Who cares? Yeah.
Laura: I don't think it's... I don't really think it's going to be a major plot point. It just might be something that Harry inherits.
Ben: I also don't see the significance of the order of the names on the Map, but you guys had to discuss that.
Ben: Actually, I heard Voldemort strolls downtown London and picks up chicks on his motorcycle.
Andrew: So that's where it went?
Andrew: No, but at least the Map had some sort of backing to it. The motorcycle - is just stupid. It's like where....
Micah: It's a Horcrux.
Ben: Yeah, it's a Horcrux.
Andrew: ...did the bed sheets go that...that...Mrs. Weasley talked about in Book 2? Nobody cares. You're supposed to laugh at that.
Kevin: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Micah: Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Andrew: A few applause.
Laura: Like I said, it's not a major plot point, but it just might be something that Harry would like to have eventually.
Kevin: It could be like whimsical, the kind of thing she brings up just for fun.
Laura: Yeah, maybe Harry and Ginny ride off on the motorcycle in the end.
[Kevin and Laura laugh]
Ben: This has been Pointless Discussion #654 on MuggleCast.
Ben: Okay. What do you guys think that Hagrid knows about Tom Riddle? Because they went to school together, obviously.
Kevin: And they had some social contact, we know that because Tom Riddle spoke to Hagrid, so he was familiar with him.
Ben: And he framed him.
Ben: So he had to know him somehow.
Kevin: I don't know. I mean, I don't.
Ben: Why was Hagrid chosen to be framed by Tom Riddle? Why did Tom Riddle choose him?
Kevin: Because Hagrid is an easy target. People are scared.
Ben: That's what I thought.
Laura: Yeah, he is.
Kevin: They are very willing to believe that Hagrid is evil because of his giant blood. So...
Ben: And he's a big oaf.
Laura: Not to mention that, he's pretty gullible.
Kevin: He is, yeah.
Laura: You know?
Kevin: He's almost too trusting.
Ben: For example, the dragon, when he meets with the person in the Hog's Head in Book 1, and he wins a dragon egg off of them, and he gets really drunk and tells him about Fluffy. [laughs]
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Laura: And pretty much was the reason that Quirrell managed to figure out how to get to the Sorcerer's Stone.
Ben: Get to the Sorcerer's Stone or try to get it.
Laura: Yeah, almost.
Andrew: But, we didn't finish answering, what does Hagrid know about him? But I think we can conclude from that, from what we've seen, not much. Maybe personality.
Kevin: Yeah, especially since he was manipulated.
Kevin: So, what he does know probably wasn't real.
Micah: Well, not the Horcruxes. Does he, could he possibly know anything after spending some time in school with him?
Andrew: Locations? Well, yeah, you would think so. The Horcruxes relate to parts of Voldemort and if anyone's... I think Hagrid would be useful for that. But then there's the question: Why hasn't Hagrid given any of this information to, say, Harry?
Kevin: But does Hagrid know?
Laura: Yeah, that's the thing...
Andrew: Well, anything.
Laura: How would he know, though?
Andrew: We haven't even heard if Hagrid doesn't know.
Laura: But how would he know about Horcruxes?
Kevin: Yeah. See the thing is, yeah, the Horcruxes were...
Andrew: Well maybe not Horcruxes in general, but anything. Any information though.
Kevin: Yeah, but I think Horcruxes are one of those things that if he was told about them, he would go back in his memory and go, "Wait. I remember something."
Kevin: The kind of thing that, you know, brings up memories that at first you didn't think it was suspicious, but when you get more information, it tends to be. You know what I mean?
Andrew: But he hasn't been approached about it at all.
Kevin: Right, right. But...
Ben: It would be stupid for him to tell Hagrid about it because Hagrid can't keep his mouth shut.
Kevin: It's true. [laughs]
Laura: Not to mention I have a sneaking suspicion that if he did tell Hagrid, Hagrid would be dead by now. [laughs]
Ben: Why would Voldemort tell Hagrid?
Laura: Exactly. He wouldn't.
Ben: Why would he say, "Hey Hagrid! I plan on splitting my soul into a million pieces and conquering the world!"
Kevin: Yeah, but I think...
Andrew: No! No, no, no, no! But I mean any information that could suggest where he would have put it. Like if Hagrid always saw him hanging out in a certain spot or was always obsessed with...
Kevin: A certain item. Yeah.
Andrew: Yes. Or, you know... yeah.
Kevin: Yeah, a certain item that...
Ben: He was always sitting in the corner of the Great Hall with a T-shirt on that says, "I'm making a Horcrux over here."
Laura: No, no ,no! I see what Ben's saying, though. I see what Ben's saying.
Andrew: [still laughing] You're so mean.
Laura: How much attention would Hagrid have paid to him? I mean it's not like they, it's not like they were friends or anything.
Andrew: We don't know! We've got to ask Hagrid!
Laura: It's not like they talked on a regular basis.
Ben: Okay, in your high school.. Andrew, tell me. In your high school, do you walk around writing down the habits and particular objects people are obsessed with?
Andrew: No, but there are people, there are people that you see on a daily basis that I'm not saying act weird or anything, but...
Kevin: Yeah, but their actions seem normal at the time but...yeah.
Andrew: Yeah! You can tell! You can tell what they're, you know, like...
Kevin: You, you...
Andrew: You know, if someone's always sitting in one corner, you know, drawing out little sketches of the school, you know something's up.
[Andrew and Kevin laugh]
Micah: As far as we know, he really only made one Horcrux while he was at school. Right?
Kevin: Ehhh, that's an assumption. I mean, we really have no proof on how many he made or if he made...
Ben: [interrupts Kevin] I think he only made one. Okay, why would he, he's not a stupid person. He would know that someone might catch on if he's always obsessing over a trophy in the trophy room, or something like that.
Kevin: Yeah, but [sighs] I don't think that it takes that much time that it would seem he was obsessing. I think he would make his mark where...
Ben: Hey, if he were going to make a Horcrux, he would do it secretly.
Kevin: Of course!
Ben: I mean, he's not going to...
Kevin: Of course. But does he need to see the trophy to know that the trophy is there and to know where he's going to go to make the Horcrux? Does he need to obsess?
Ben: I have no idea! Do I look like, do I look like Jo?
Kevin: What I'm saying is he may show no indication of obsessing over an item and then just create the Horcrux.
Micah: But doesn't the item have to be nearby?
Andrew: Of course.
Kevin: It does have to be nearby, but that's why I'm saying. If, for example, it was a trophy, he knows the trophy's there. So when he's ready to create the Horcrux, he goes to the trophy room and creates a Horcrux.
Andrew: This is what I'm sayin'!
Ben: I'm sure when he went to the trophy room to make the Horcrux, he invited Hagrid along too.
Andrew: Oh, stop being sarcastic. [laughs] It's the personality thing. It's just, you can assume...
[Andrew and Kevin laugh]
Andrew: Sorry. What's the word I'm looking for? You can gather information about a person just by observing what they do at different points in the day or whatever.
Laura: Yeah, but how much does Hagrid observe? I mean, how much does he observe other students?
Andrew: I don't know! We need to ask him! That's what I'm saying.
Ben: We need to ask him. Hagrid's going to be on MuggleCast next week.
[Laura and Kevin laugh]
Ben: Okay, what about Hagrid's parents? We already discussed how his father was a wizard and his mom was a giant. I mean, the conception of Hagrid must've not been pretty.
Kevin: Let's not go into that.
Andrew: Whoa. Please don't.
Laura: Thanks, Ben.
Ben: Well, what about the relationship with his brother, though? Grawp.
Ciaran: Well, I think it must be pretty strong for him to endure it like what Grawp put him through in Book 5. You know? And he had bruises nearly every day, so he must've been beating him up pretty hard. So, I think we can gather from that that it's pretty strong and I think Grawp would definitely be an asset in Book 7 in, like, the fight against Voldemort.
Kevin: Now do you think Grawp is going to play a role in convincing other giants to join the cause, rather than Hagrid?
Ben: I think it's a lost cause, personally.
Kevin: Do you?
Laura: Mhm, me neither.
Kevin: See, the thing is, is that Hagrid has been kept around until this book. I mean, we've been predicting he'll die every book, for two books.
Ben: That's because people are a-holes: they want him to die.
Kevin: I know, but J.K. Rowling herself said that she keeps characters around because they have purpose.
Kevin: If they don't have a purpose, she's not going to show them, mention them, or, you know, deal with them. So, why is Hagrid...
Laura: She kills them.
Ben: Of course Hagrid has a purpose. Hagrid has a purpose because he's one of Harry's mentors. Just because... just because-
Laura: Well, so was Dumbledore!
[All except Ben laugh]
Ben: I know! I know! No, no, no. Listen. Just listen.
Kevin: We're listening.
Ben: She had a reason for killing Dumbledore. She wouldn't kill Hagrid because Harry's taken enough blows as it is and Hagrid's sort of like a fatherly figure to him.
Laura: But that's not real life, though! That's not real life; the thing she always tries to portray, real life. And just because someone's a mentor doesn't stop them from dying.
Kevin: It's true.
Ben: Okay... that has nothing to do...
Andrew: Shot down, Ben!
[Laura and Kevin laugh]
Ben: Not really shot down, because that has nothing to do with what I was even talking about.
Kevin: No, but it's true.
Ben: I was saying that Hagrid still has a purpose in the series. If you want to talk about real life, last time I checked, there wasn't a school where people are running around shooting spells at each other. So, you can just back down.
Laura: No, that's not what I'm saying. [sighs]
Andrew: Well, okay. Hagrid is a lifeline to Harry because he's one of his mentors and he's always there for Harry when Harry's in some problem or difficulty. Harry goes down to his hut and blah, blah, blah. But so is Dumbledore and Sirius!
Andrew: They were both mentors for him too. So...
Kevin: So why is Hagrid still around when they aren't?
Laura: Why is he special?
Ben: Because! Okay, she's not going to kill everybody! Why is that third-year kid who was...
Andrew: We know that!
Ben: Why is Ernie Macmillan still around?
Kevin: But why would...
Micah: [laughs] Pigwidgeon?
Ben: Why is Justin Finch-Fletchley still around? And why is Filch still around? Why is...
Kevin: [interrupts Ben] Why do you think there's a limitation for her to kill only one character per book?
Ben: There isn't a limitation! Multiple people die per book.
Kevin: Yeah, but one major.
Andrew: But one major. It's one major character.
Laura: Yeah, it's one major.
Ben: WHO CARES??
Andrew: Although I think it's Book...
Kevin: Because there's still purpose to that character! Just like Dumbledore was kept around in Book 5 because he had to show Harry the Horcruxes, Hagrid has a purpose in Book 7.
Ben: Okay, I think you guys... Hagrid isn't that major of a character anyways.
Kevin: Yes, he is! What is...who is the first magical character that Harry ever meets?
Ben: Okay, that's fine. But his role in the books has diminished.
Kevin: Okay, so that character's not significant? Of course it's...
Ben: No, his role in the books have diminished, [stammers] has diminished! And you're always...
Kevin: [interrupts Ben] But that's what I'm saying, he's going to...
Ben: [interrupts Kevin] You're trying to make a connection here which doesn't even make sense.
Kevin: No, no. All I'm saying is...
Laura: Actually, I disagree.
Ben: You're all, [in a mocking tone] "Hagrid is the key to the series!"
Laura: No, no, no! No, no, no, no, no. Hagrid's role has not diminished. we haven't seen him as much...
Laura: ...because I think he's been doing other things.
Kevin: I agree.
Laura: Especially going out and trying to gather the giants in Book 5.
Ben: He's going to throw rock cakes at Voldemort, that's what he's going to do.
[Micah and Laura laugh]
Kevin: Honestly, I think it's, I think it's either to deal with the giants or to help Harry directly fight Voldemort in some way like...
Ben: Okay, just because he's still around doesn't mean that he has this ultimate purpose in the end.
Andrew: I think it makes sense for Hagrid to die in Book 7 because... [laughs] I'm going to talk about my pattern.
Andrew: Listen, there's one significant character that dies in...well, in the past two books. Sirius was very important to Harry and he died in Book 5. Dumbledore was very important to Harry and he died in Book 6. Now, wouldn't it make sense that, the only other really important character, besides Ron and Hermione, is Hagrid. Right? Is there anyone else that is really important to Harry, like a mentor?
Micah: The Weasleys...
Andrew: So, according to my pattern, my calculations, my... Well, the Weasleys... I don't know.
Andrew: They are sort of separated because...
Ben: Okay, Micah's definitely tearing you down.
Andrew: No, Lupin is not a mentor as much as anyone else.
Ben: Micah's just destroyed your pattern, dude.
[Everyone laughs some more]
Andrew: Lupin is not a mentor as much as...
[Everyone is still laughing]
Andrew: Lupin is not as much of a mentor as Hagrid is.
Kevin: But he is a mentor.
Andrew: So, according to my... Yes, but not as major. I'm just saying it would make sense that Hagrid would kick the can in Book 7.
Kevin: Honestly, I don't know if he's going to die.
Andrew: Because he's Harry's final lifeline inside the school.
Kevin: Honestly, I don't know if he's going to die, but I do think he is going to play some role.
Laura: I agree.
Ben: Okay, Sherlock Holmes. Thanks, Captain Obvious.
Andrew: I just think it would make sense because Hagrid dying...
Kevin: No, let's do a roll call. Who believes that Hagrid will play a significant role? Laura?
Andrew: Yeah, well, all of us. I think we all do.
Kevin: Ben doesn't.
Andrew: But, I...
Ben: No, no.
Andrew: Ben is Ben.
Andrew: What, Ben? Go ahead.
Ben: Okay, you guys are definitely misconstruing my viewpoint on this. What I am saying is that you guys have to find an ulterior reason for everything. There's always something else that has to be going on. Hagrid is still around just because he's not 85 and he's not dead yet. It's not like JK Rowling says [Ben continues in a high-pitched voice] "Well, I haven't killed Hagrid off for this reason." Of course he's still going to have some purpose in the final book, and it may be to mentor Harry, but being a mentor could be enough because Harry's had multiple mentors killed off already, why would she kill off another? And also, like you said...
Andrew: [Laughs] Because...look at my pattern! Clearly!
Ben: I haven't seen your pattern, I haven't seen your pattern.
Andrew: I'm going to draw a picture of it.
Kevin: And we will include that in the Show Notes?
Ben: We'll have a picture of Andrew's pattern.
Andrew: Hagrid dying would tear him apart more than many other people in the books.
Kevin: I think so, too.
Andrew: And Sirius dying tore him apart and so did Dumbledore.
Ben: Why doesn't Jo just kill everyone?
Andrew: That's what I'm saying...it's what should happen.
Kevin: That's a good idea.
Andrew: It would be an easy way to end Book 7. There'd be no more mysteries.
Kevin: An apocalypse!
Ben: Andrew, what does your pattern say about this?
Andrew: Everyone dying? My pattern says "slim to none."
Andrew: The ratio is a little bit off.
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