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Chapter-by-Chapter: "The Hearing"

Micah: Yeah, so that really kicks off Chapter 8, "The Hearing" and Harry recognizes the courtroom that he's in from when he went into the Pensieve back in Goblet of Fire. And he realizes that he is in the same room that the Death Eater trials were held in when he saw Bellatrix Lestrange and Igor Karkaroff and Barty Crouch, Jr. So right off the bat, he clearly is gone from being probably very uneasy to extremely uneasy. And he approaches the same chair that he remembers the chains kind of shooting up and tying the Death Eaters down, and fortunately for him, though, that doesn't happen and he sits down before the entire Wizengamot, and at the head of it is Cornelius Fudge. And he also sees Percy and at the very least, [laughs] the last bit of hope that he has inside of himself is for Percy to kind of recognize him, and Percy doesn't even acknowledge that he's in the room. And you can kind of see really the initial change in Percy now. He's gone from at least being somewhat cordial towards Harry to pretending as if he's not even there.

Eric: Yeah. I think it's so severe. I mean, these are the courtrooms that they tried [laughs] Death Eaters in, and now Harry is for a little misuse of magic here. It's just very intense and suspense.

Micah: Right, but earlier in the book we hear for Harry not to even ask about Percy and now we can kind of see why.

Eric: Yeah, and just - again, in the previous chapter when they're in Arthur Weasley's office, there's a picture of the Weasleys but Percy - Harry notes that Percy seems to have walked off so he's not even in the picture. He's not even appearing in pictures with the rest of his family. So it's very clear that - and again in this chamber, that Percy is kind of - not exile but he's disowned himself from almost everything they stand for. Or everything recognizable.

Andrew: And it's sad and an interesting plot point because it's like why would - seeing someone leave the Weasley family clan, it's always been such a - I almost said "perfect" but - a happy family.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And then suddenly there is this drama and it's surprising.

Eric: Yeah. Heck, if I knew there was an opening in the Weasley family I'd join in.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: I'd dye my hair red. Right? But it just seems like - yeah. Such a nice family.

Micah: So Fudge starts to make introductions - he introduces himself, Amelia Bones, and then Percy as well - and starts listing what the crimes are that Harry is being charged of. And all of a sudden, we hear the voice of Dumbledore, and Dumbledore really appears out of nowhere and says that he is counsel for the defense. And Harry notes that at this moment he feels something like Phoenix Song inside of him when he sees Dumbledore. But Dumbledore, much like his odd behavior at Grimmauld Place, refuses to meet Harry's eyes and this becomes a larger plot point throughout the rest of Order of the Phoenix. And so Eric, you brought up the fact that clearly Harry's time for his trial was changed and he just gets there on time. But there's a little bit of a funny back and forth between Fudge and Dumbledore, and Dumbledore notes the fact that while he didn't receive the owl that was sent to him, by lucky mistake he arrived at the Ministry three hours early.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: So did he in fact suspect that something like this would happen?

Eric: Yeah, I think the problem is that Fudge really wants to stick this on Harry. For whatever reason - and it could be coming out of this large issue that at the end of Year 4, both Harry and Dumbledore said that Voldemort was back. And that's essentially what this hearing is even all about, is a real strong ploy to discredit Harry and maybe even expel him. And it makes Fudge a villain even more so than he has been in the past but it really starts to make him a villain because his ignorance is now to the point where it's really affecting the natural order of things which is for Harry to go to school. And I feel like this scene is well represented in the film, where Michael Gambon as Dumbledore says surely it's become standard practice to hold a full trial for a little case of student - essentially out of bed. But I really think that Fudge is showing how scared he is about everything, because changing the time - I think Dumbledore having known Fudge for so long could absolutely predicted that this would happen, and who knows if an owl was even ever sent. Fudge asked Dumbledore, "Oh, so you received the owl we sent?" That's a quote-on-quote owl. Who says they ever sent one notifying Dumbledore of the change in time? They probably didn't.

Andrew: And Fudge clearly has it in for Harry. I mean, the evidence against him is not strong at all. He was clearly acting in self-defense. And this just shows that Fudge just wants to nail him.

Micah: Yeah, no question. And this kind of brought up an interesting question when Dumbledore comes in, and says that he's there to speak on behalf of Harry and argue in his defense. We saw the trials for the Death Eaters but there didn't seem to be anybody to speak on behalf of them, and I'm wondering, is the [laughs] judicial system in the Potter world similar to the one we have, or how does that work? Because clearly they have committed crimes and we know that but every person is entitled to somebody speaking on their behalf, and it didn't seem like there was anybody in the case of all the memories that we saw in the Pensieve.

Andrew: Who would, though?

Eric: Yeah, I'm sure that in dark times it would be inadvisable to associate yourself with other Death Eaters. I mean, unless it's a case where you're their family members. Like, that's what made the trial of Barty Crouch, Jr. so interesting, was that his father was so ruthless that he would try his son and do so without representing him. And Crouch's wife, pool gal, while she was alive had to sit in the crowd of that hearing. But again, it's a situation where they didn't - Crouch, Sr. had very little interest in protecting his son from the full extent of the law, and so perhaps back then they could have had a counsel but I feel like it would have been treated or met with impunity with this heavy dislike towards the Dark Arts because back then Voldemort was killing everybody's family. Like, left, right, people were dead. So if you were to somehow defend a Death Eater on trial you may be...

Micah: It doesn't matter, though. Every criminal has a defense attorney. It doesn't matter what crimes you commit.

Eric: But in the wizarding world, do they? I mean...

Micah: That's what I'm asking.

Eric: Yeah. I don't know, I feel like they don't almost because I mean, they're already in Azkaban, right? I mean, when we see some of those trials like for Karkaroff...

Micah: Well, let's say before that. They're arrested, they have to go before a trial.

Eric: I think based on what we know about Sirius Black, right? Like, there were the witnesses, and the witnesses - obviously they saw the wrong thing or they reported that they saw the wrong thing. But the problem with that is that they wiped their memories because they were all Muggles. So immediately after collecting the reports from the Muggles that saw Sirius Black get arrested, they wiped their memories so all you have to go on, really to convict Sirius Black, is the word of the collectors, right? I mean, the people who collected the memories. It's not a situation where you can have witnesses that were necessarily there at the same time. I think - although again what helped Sirius get convicted was that Dumbledore gave evidence in his trial. So, I just don't know. It sounds like there was a trial then, if Dumbledore gave evidence, right? So perhaps in all these cases there are people to defend - I just don't think - I mean, if your question is if everybody is entitled to a lawyer, perhaps, but I can certainly see why there wouldn't be. I feel like the pressure to defend somebody like this would be too high for...

Andrew: In dark times.

Eric: Unless it's...

Andrew: Like you said at the beginning.

Eric: In dark times, yeah.

Micah: Yeah. All right. Well, they start the trial and Amelia Bones is very impressed by the fact that Harry can produce a corporal Patronus. And I think you start to get a feeling that while Fudge is clearly against Harry, Amelia Bones is a fair-minded witch and is probably going to give him a fair trial.

Eric: Mhm.

Micah: And Fudge fails to believe Harry's story about the Dementors and Dumbledore then decides: well, I'm going to call in our witness, and he brings in Arabella Figg. And she tells her account of what happened but it's not very convincing and it's apparent that she was coached. Should we be surprised that Figg was coached by Dumbledore?

Andrew: Should we be surprised? No, because the character of Mrs. Figg is a nervous one, a weak one. I mean, Dumbledore had her just keeping an eye on Harry at Privet Drive, and that's really the only thing she could do, just keep an eye out and alert Dumbledore or someone else if there were ever to be trouble. So - but Dumbledore really needed her to stand trial because she was one of the witnesses so I think the coaching was necessary to help ensure that Harry would actually be proven innocent.

Micah: Mhm. It's interesting because in an interview after the book was released, JK Rowling said that Squibs can't see Dementors. But when you go back to what happened in that alleyway when Figg shows up, she knows that Dementors were there.

Eric: Mhm.

Micah: So it's interesting - maybe it's something that she can sense but not necessarily see.

Eric: Yeah, which is the problem with having her as a witness in this discussion because the last thing the Ministry wants to believe is that there actually were Dementors, right? And the witness is this Squib who actually can't see but perhaps can sense Dementors. And so you have a situation where Harry knows he was defending himself, Figg knows that Harry was defending himself, and the Ministry knows that he produced the Patronus Charm, and it doesn't make sense to produce a Patronus Charm in front of a Muggle unless you're protecting yourself and the Muggle against Dementors. But it's really a situation where it's completely fair to pick the side that's going to suit you best, which is what the Ministry does and it's what Harry does. But Harry - we know that Harry is in the right but the Ministry - they're in this situation where they know he produced the Patronus Charm, his defense is, well, there were Dementors, and that's very inconvenient for the Ministry to accept when they can't accept it.

Micah: So, you do get a lot of back and forth now between Dumbledore and Fudge, and Dumbledore ultimately says that he doesn't believe the Dementors were there by accident, and Fudge thinks Dumbledore is mad. And then Dumbledore says, "We must ask ourselves why somebody within the Ministry ordered a pair of Dementors into that alleyway on the second of August." So, now he's really starting to challenge Fudge because if - he's basically going through all the rationale that Fudge is providing and he's saying, "Well, the only option that you're leaving on the table, Minister, is that somebody within your command decided to send two Dementors to Little Whinging."

Eric: Which is exactly what happened, as we know later, yeah.

Micah: So, does he know? That's the thing. You know, Dumbledore is very smart...

Eric: But yet - but it couldn't - he couldn't know it was Umbridge. He couldn't know specifically it was Umbridge, because if he knew specifically that it was Umbridge who ordered the Dementors, I don't think he would have let her into Hogwarts.

Micah: Or maybe he would, to keep a closer eye on her.

Andrew: Dumbledore knows all. I think he absolutely knew, in some way or another. He's so well connected, he could have a source inside the Ministry that confirmed this to him.

Eric: Maybe. But I think - isn't - I mean, later on - we'll have to review this later on when we find out, but I feel like Fudge certainly doesn't know that Umbridge went and did that. Like, Umbridge was acting in Fudge's best interest, right, but she did it secretly so that - because she was essentially achieving his goals without - but - that way he doesn't carry the guilt of it, you know?

Andrew: Was it Dumbledore's choice to have Umbridge in Hogwarts? I mean, wasn't it...

Micah: No.

Andrew: Yeah. So, I mean...

Eric: Well no, but I'm sure he really could have prevented it, right? I mean, if he knew that...

Andrew: Maybe.

Eric: ...she was the one who set the Dementors on Harry...

Micah: Well, that's what we're getting to in a little bit. But we are introduced to Umbridge for the first time, and she's described as "...a large pale toad. She was rather squat, with a broad, flabby face, as little neck as Uncle Vernon and a very wide, slack mouth." And I just thought it was interesting that right after Dumbledore says that it had to be somebody in the Ministry that did it, it's Umbridge who speaks up. So...

[Eric imitates Umbridge's cough]

Micah: Yeah, a little bit of foreshadowing there, that it was Umbridge who was responsible for this. And she...

Eric: She was provoked.

Micah: Imelda Staunton has that great line in the movie where she says, "Pardon me, Professor Dumbledore, but I..." What is it? "It sounds as if you're insinuating that the Ministry had something to do with this."

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: And we can tell that she's a bitch right from the start.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: So - [laughs] now, more back-and-forth continues between Fudge and Dumbledore about what Harry has been accused of, and whether or not he had the right to defend himself. And really the question I have is, what does Fudge hope to gain from convicting Harry here? I mean, you start to bring up a lot of what's happened at Hogwarts previously, and Dumbledore makes the point that it's not the Ministry's business what Harry does at school, and that they cannot expel him for what he has done. And that's where I really think it all begins. Going back to what you were talking about before with Umbridge being allowed to teach there, it's not Dumbledore's choice. Umbridge is forced upon him. And I think this is really where Fudge gets the idea, "Well, if Dumbledore thinks that it's not our business what goes on at Hogwarts and that we can't expel students, well, I'm going to show him. I'm going to put one of my officials right in the teaching ranks."

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Right, right. And that makes sense. Yeah, it just - it makes sense that that's a logical step.

Micah: Well - but back to the other question, what do you guys think Fudge hopes to gain from convicting Harry? I mean, he's, what, fifteen at this time?

Eric: Well, he wants to discredit - he just wants to discredit.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: I think he senses, very rightly so, that - maybe even that he's wrong about Voldemort, but just in general that Dumbledore is such this force for good here, that he's clearly raising Harry to be his greatest defender, to - whether it's for Dumbledore's purposes or for the good of wizard-kind, Dumbledore has put all his stock in Harry, and Fudge is more inclined to believe that Harry's a misfit. And so any chance that Fudge can get to disrupt this process of Dumbledore essentially raising an army against Fudge, starting with Harry, who is very clearly the poster-child, then he's going to exploit it. He's going to exploit that opportunity.

Micah: All right. Well, the next part that I want to talk about goes back to that quote that you mentioned before, Eric, that Dumbledore says. And really, what I think Dumbledore is doing is he's trying to make it very plain and clear to the other members of the Wizengamot that are sitting there that something is really amiss, and the practices that Fudge has been using are really out of character of what the Minister should be doing, because he says, "In the few short weeks since I was asked to leave, it has already become the practice to hold a full criminal trial to deal with a simple matter of underage magic!" And what I want to know is - yeah, he's the Minister, right? Okay, we get that. But how could he justify calling a hearing of the Wizengamot for such a minor offense?

Andrew: I think it's for the same reason that Eric just brought up. He just wants to disprove Harry, he wants to prove that he's wrong, and he wants to make a statement that if anybody goes out there and tries to prove that Death Eaters are attacking, or Voldemort's back, or whatever, that they will take action and they will put you through a full trial or through a hearing.

Eric: And just like in the real world, right? Higher-profile cases get more attention.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: And they're therefore dealt with - they have higher security and lots more TV cameras. But I feel like it's a higher-profile case from the start, so perhaps it also aided in them maybe - and I'm talking about the members of the Wizengamot - saying, "Okay, maybe this wouldn't normally happen, but I -" they're going to support the Minister, not just because he's the Minister, but maybe it makes more sense since Harry is a high-profile case.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Well, he's only a high-profile case because they're making it one, and because he's Harry Potter, obviously. But it's...

Eric: Well, he's... [unintelligible]

Micah: Yeah, it's just - everything is being manipulated here. All the laws, all the rules, are being manipulated so that they can get a guilty conviction out of somebody who's clearly in the right and is innocent. And I think...

Eric: I think this...

Micah: ...that speaks to a larger issue.

Eric: It also...

Micah: I think...

Eric: Yeah, go on.

Micah: No, I'm just saying, paralleling it between our world and the series - we've spent many episodes talking about certain comparisons between what goes on in the wizarding world and what goes on in the real world, and how JK Rowling obviously took examples of things that have happened in history and sort of infused them into the series.

Eric: Well, I think looking at this in another light, which is the character building that this does for Harry - because I think that this experience, this negative experience, with being thrown to the wolves, essentially, by the Minister himself, allows Harry ñ first of all, it sets the stage for what is going to happen with Umbridge, which is that they had to disobey a teacher because she's an evil witch, and disobey the government because she's an evil witch who is not morally aligned. Harry has to be prepared, and he's prepared by this to eventually set the Ministry, the law, the governing body of law, aside because it's what he needs to do to fight Voldemort. So, I think this is one of those things that really sets his character up. It really builds his distrust in the government because they're doing this to him. So, maybe that makes him more sympathetic to us as readers to get behind his disobeying the law, which he does later. He hasn't done it in this case because as you say, he's in the right, but perhaps in the future - and when he breaks into the Ministry, it's all for a good cause and it can all be justified, and I think maybe that's why this whole thing was important.

Micah: Yep. So, what ends up happening is they go to a vote and Harry is cleared of all charges, and that's where the chapter ends. Dumbledore leaves the court room without ever saying a word to Harry, so that plot line continues to develop - or not develop, I guess, [laughs] depending on how you look at it. But it's going to become a major issue throughout the course of Order of the Phoenix.

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: Excelente.

Eric: Great.

Muggle Mail: Jamie's Accurate Prediction in Episode 6

Andrew: Well, that's Chapter-by-Chapter, Chapters 6 and 7 - or 7 and 8 of Order of the Phoenix. And maybe in another episode or two, we'll be back with another Chapter-by-Chapter. So, to wrap up the show, we're going to do a couple of e-mails then a little preview to what's to come on future episodes of MuggleCast to wrap up the year. First of all, this e-mail from BlackEyedLily, 49, of Palm Harbor, Florida. She writes ñ or he ñ no, it's a she.

"In your last episode, 239, you read an e-mail from a listener commenting on listening to past episodes can reveal times that MuggleCast staff made very accurate predictions to events in Book 7. They referred to Episode 71, and a comment about whether Harry might be called on to sacrifice himself, but then not have to. I've got a better reference than that."

Eric: Ooh!

Andrew: [continues]

"While I'm amazed that you discussed the "Harry is a Horcrux" theory as early as Episode 1, it is Episode 6 that blows me away. In that episode, Jamie speculates that Voldemort accidentally made Harry a Horcrux when he first tried to kill him, and that is why he has this special connection to Voldemort's mind and shares skills like Parselmouth. I think that was an amazing theory very early after the release of the 'Half-Blood Prince' book. Love the show and the old episodes are still entertaining."

I'm having computer issues so I can't play the clip, but very well done, Jamie. [laughs]

Eric: Wow.

Micah: Will those computer issues be resolved by the time you edit the show?

Andrew: Yeah, I just can't play stuff through. So, yeah.

Micah: Oh, okay. But the listeners will hear it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, you should still play it on the episode.

[Episode 6 clip plays]

Andrew: Yeah, that's a good point because - okay, so Voldemort - say Voldemort put a Horcrux into Harry. Well, if he wants to kill him so bad, then why would he try to kill one of his own Horcruxes? Hmm. I like that.

Jamie: No, he didn't mean to put the Horcrux in, that's the whole point.

Eric: I don't think he meant to, either.

Jamie: He inadvertently made the Horcrux when his spell backfired. Slughorn said that to create a Horcrux, you had to kill and then knowingly put the part of your soul that you've created into the Horcrux, and why would Voldemort want to make Harry a Horcrux if he's just going to kill him straight afterwards? The only thing that could possibly happen is that Dumbledore said that when he tried to kill him, he put a piece of him inside that he didn't realize, so the only thing that it could be is that Voldemort inadvertently put part of his soul into Harry after he tried to kill him. And now that Harry is a Horcrux, it doesn't really bear well for him surviving the series.

Eric: Which is probably...

Ben: We don't know what process goes into making a Horcrux.

Jamie: No, exactly. But...

Eric: But Dumbledore said that he unwittingly or unknowingly transferred powers to Harry that night. He doesn't really - no, that was in Chamber of Secrets...

Jamie: And that's different from the Horcrux.

Eric: ...after he finds the diary, and Dumbledore says in Half-Blood Prince that he knew then about the Horcruxes or kind of figured it. But Dumbledore said he transferred powers, he didn't say he transferred his soul or thing.

Jamie: Harry's scar can't be the powers that he's got. The scar tells him when Voldemort's close or it did, but the power that he has can't only come from the scar, so it had to be something else that was put into him. It had to be part of his soul.

Eric: No. I don't know.

Ben: I don't know about that.

Eric: Just because Dumbledore said it would be very unwise to trust another living thing with your soul because you could probably do something about it. But then Harry would...

Jamie: Exactly, he's a person.

Eric: Now he's been practicing Legilimency against Harry, or Occlumency. Whatever.

[Clip ends]

Muggle Mail: Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 & 2 Released As One Film?

Andrew: Next e-mail is from Alison, 23, of Stone Ridge, Virginia. She writes:

"Hey MuggleCasters! First of all, I'd like to say that I have been a long time fan of the show and I always enjoy listening to your discussions on the series, films, and everything in between. Here's my question: Do you think WB will ever release 'Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 and 2' as one film? Because I, like many other 'Potter' fans, would love to experience the two parts as one without having to switch DVDs. Well, just wanted to hear your thoughts."

Since we did talk about the DVDs, I thought that was a good question. I mean, why don't we see a set that's just Parts 1 and 2 combined?

Eric: Well, could you really fit four hours of media onto a disc? And would you want to? Like, whether or not this film was on [laughs] VHS or LaserDisc or CDs, DVDs, you're going to have to switch media. It's a long...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...project. I don't see - in other words, I don't see the - I don't see it as a hassle, to switch DVDs between the movies. You just plug it in, there's a main menu, you just push "Play", right? I mean, that's all there is to it.

Andrew: It still would be cool, though, if it was an uninterrupted transition. I think for Blu-ray they could probably put both, but yeah, definitely not DVD.

Eric: Well, WB, knowing them and how they've marketed these sets with the Christmas ornaments [laughs] and the house pins, I'm sure that it's not unlike them to possibly do that release in the future and I think it would be pretty cool, and depending on what special features come out with it, I think it would maybe even be worth buying. But in the meantime, I'm totally content. I feel like the - I don't feel like it's a problem to put the movies in back to back, and I think that's never a better time to take a bathroom break...

Andrew: [laughs] True.

Eric: ...than between two films.

Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul

Andrew: That's true. All right, and the final e-mail is a Chicken Soup today. Nicole, 16, of New York:

"Hey you guys, I just wanted to thank you for being awesome. I had a really tough day today because my cousin is leaving for Coast Guard boot camp tomorrow. The next time I see him will be in either late November or early December when he graduates. Then he will have five days with us until he is stationed. We won't find out where he will be stationed until probably middle to late October. He will be serving for four years and I don't know how often I'll be able to see him. I don't even know if he will be home for Christmas! We visited him today to say goodbye and on the car ride home, all of this was running through my head and I began to cry silently. Trying to hide it from my mom and sister, I rolled down my window and listened to an old episode of MuggleCast. You guys helped me take my mind off things and even made me laugh. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for providing me with comfort today, and for the endless entertainment every other day! I hope you guys continue for a long time, even though the books and movies have ended. Love you guys. Love, Nicole."

Well, thanks Nicole, and we wish the best for your cousin about to be stationed and heading away.

Eric: Yeah.

Announcement: Upcoming Episodes

Andrew: We wanted to talk also today about - over the next few weeks, we do have several fun ideas for episodes planned, because there is a lot happening in Potter world over the next few months. First of all, of course, the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 DVD. We will have a review episode where we break down everything on the DVD/Blu-ray and complain about it most likely, but also try to throw in...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: ...a few positives as well. [laughs] And also, for the first time ever, we are going to do a Deathly Hallows - Part 2 DVD - well, for the first time ever, we are going to do a Harry Potter DVD commentary, and we will do it for Deathly Hallows - Part 2. And basically what a commentary is, in case you don't know - we will record ourselves talking about the film in real time as we watch it, so then you will be able to take that audio file and play it back with the movie, and it will be as if you're watching it with us. And we'll comment on different things that we see and point out little things, and it will be a lot of fun. No, we are not going to do this for the other movies. [laughs]

Eric: Oh, no? Really?

Andrew: Do you want to? I mean, that would be a huge undertaking.

Eric: No. The problem is, too, they're two-and-a-half hour films...

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: it's a lot to download...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...and a lot to edit.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, maybe we could do the first one or - I don't know.

Eric: Never say never, right?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But - yeah.

Andrew: But for now, no plans to do any other ones, just Part 2, and I think that's probably - I mean, it's so action-packed that a commentary is so perfect for it because you can really talk non-stop about what's going on on the screen.

Eric: And not miss anything, yeah.

Andrew: And then also, we are planning to do some interviews from the Quidditch World Cup, which is going to be in November in New York City. It's actually the weekend that the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 DVD comes out. Micah and I went to it last year and it was so much fun. So, this year we're going to bring a little microphone and we'll talk to some of the players, the guy who runs it all, Alex Benepe - [attempts to pronounce "Benepe"] if that's how you pronounce his name.

Micah: [pronounces correctly] Benepe.

Andrew: [pronounces correctly] Benepe. Wonderful, thank you. And we'll talk to fans, too, just about the experience. It's really cool and it's so much fun. And so, we'll do that, [laughs] tentatively, so long as we're not going to that thing at Universal, but I don't know. And then finally...

Micah: But yeah, it's huge. I mean, you look at the venue transition, I guess you could say, from where we were last year, which was in a park, right?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: On the west side of Manhattan. And now they're at Randall's Island in this brand new stadium, and just going to be a weekend full of Quidditch.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: And it is really fun to watch because you say to yourself, "Quidditch? How can you possibly make a sport out of this?" and "How can you possibly do this without flying?" And it's - these are real athletes, and they hit each other...

[Eric laughs]

Micah: ...and they're not messing around. [laughs] And the other thing I thought was really cool that I learned about it was, because the person who kind of started this whole Quidditch World Cup idea was a comedian, that's where all the play-by-play announcers come from. They're kind of improv comedians, and that's why they were so funny when we were sitting, listening to them do the matches last year.

Eric: Oh, that's great. That's great. And I saw this list of all these colleges that are now participating in the IQA, even the ones that are not even official yet. The number of actual colleges - and it just shows the spread of, the reach of Harry Potter, but also that so many people are getting into a sport that everybody seems to really like. And they're competing, and they're able to do this Quidditch World Cup. This is the fifth one! I don't recall hearing about any of the other ones besides last year, so it's just growing and growing and growing, and the change of venue reflects that. It's going to be amazing. I wish I could go.

Andrew: Yeah, it will be fun. And then finally, we'll also, of course, do a year in review episode, and that will probably be the last episode of 2011. But in between those four episodes, we'll have two or three other episodes. So, there's still a lot of MuggleCast coming out this year, probably seven episodes before the year is out. So...

Eric: Wow.

Micah: So, it's actually going back to being on a little bit of a more regular schedule.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It's definitely not going to be monthly over the next couple of months.

Andrew: Right, exactly.

Eric: That'll put us really close to Episode 250.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: We're looking to do that, I guess, maybe January, February.

Andrew: Yeah, definitely. So, that's...

Micah: Huge episode, JK Rowling will be on the show.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Oh, are you kidding? After what we've been saying about Pottermore?

Andrew: Yeah, no. Yeah, definitely not happening now.

Eric: The expose.

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Andrew: So, to wrap up the show, just want to remind you about the MuggleCast website. On, you can find everything you need about the show. On the right side, you'll find the Twitter. Our Twitter account is, our Facebook is, our fan Tumblr is And also on the MuggleCast website, you can find links to subscribe to us on iTunes, take the manual RSS feed, download old episodes. Maybe you want to download some earlier episodes, like the first ten, and hear our Deathly Hallows theories, those are always fun. You can find us making predictions that are very wrong...

Eric: Or come true.

Andrew: ...or may be very correct!

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: And people should know that they're there. We still get so many e-mails from people asking, "Well, all the episodes aren't on iTunes. How do I get to them?" Well, you've got to go to the MuggleCast site.

Andrew: Exactly.

Micah: Every episode is available to be downloaded.

Eric: As well as transcripts, and I love reading those transcripts, actually. Like, actually reading. I can hear our voices and remember, but at the same time, the transcripts are a great resource as well, and you can Google search them, for crying out loud.

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Eric: So, it's a great way to find which episodes we said what on, if you have some fond memories you want to get back to.

Andrew: Well, thanks everyone for listening! From, I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: From and Illinois' apple district, I'm Eric Scull.

Micah: [laughs] And from, I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: Great. Glad to hear that's going well, Micah.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Andrew: We'll see everybody next time for Episode 241.

Eric: Bye!

Micah: Bye!

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Written by: The Transcribers