MuggleCast 245 Transcript
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Micah: Because Ben and I are starting a new fan club, this is MuggleCast Episode 245 for November 27th, 2011.
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Andrew: Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 245! We are officially the Harry Potter podcast with the most Harry Potter podcast episodes! Woo!
Matt: It's only taken six years.
Andrew: Well, there was - we were the leader for a good point…
Andrew: …and then PotterCast went on tour and went on, like, an eighty-city tour…
Micah: Those don't count though.
Andrew: …and then released all the episodes. Huh?
Micah: You can't count "on tour."
Andrew: Yeah, do those count?
Andrew: Yeah, I don't know if that counts.
Eric: ...we did have that 12 hour MuggleCast, right? Or the 24 hour...
Eric: Where Episodes 113...
Micah: Yeah, but that was only broken up into about two or three episodes.
Andrew: I think...
Eric: I think six or twelve, to be honest. But...
Matt: ...twelve hours. Yeah, if - I mean, if you think about it, if an episode consists of one to one and a half hours, that's at least ten episodes that you can count.
Eric: Yeah, I'm really sure...
Andrew: Yeah, but we broke it into...
Andrew: We broke it into three or four parts, I think. In one of the episodes, I remember it was exported incorrectly, so it's faster and so we sound like chipmunks...
Andrew: ...for, like, two hours. And we got a million e-mails about that but I didn't really know how to fix it because it was kind of too late.
Matt: That was actually the first episode I was ever on.
Eric: Was one of the...
Andrew: The 12 hour ones?
Matt: The 12 hour one. You called me and - although that was during the chipmunk era, so everyone thought I sounded like a chipmunk.
Eric: So yeah, guys, we're ahead of PotterCast. Is PotterCast ending? Is it...
Andrew: [laughs] No, let's not start that. No, I just - it was just a - I mean, it's true, but it was a joke. I'm just noting the occasion for no reason in particular.
Eric: No, I think - well, do you think we'll be the first to 250, though?
Eric: Yeah, we should be the first to 250.
Andrew: I'd say so, yeah.
Matt: How about 300?
Andrew: Yeah. Oh God, that seems so far off.
Matt: We can do a tour.
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Andrew: Yeah, do a fifty-city tour. Just...
Matt: Just crank it all out.
Micah: And we could break each tour stop up into about four episodes.
[Andrew and Matt laugh]
Matt: Or we just do one episode with one episode lasting a minute.
Andrew: Well, this is not a standard episode of MuggleCast, really. We have a couple of special features. We're going to - Micah is going to run through the LEGO Harry Potter: Years 5-7. He reviewed it and we're also going to talk about the futures of "The Big Seven" stars kind of as a main discussion. And we have some e-mails to catch up on and who knows what other surprises we have for you. Don't get your hopes up, though. I'm Andrew Sims.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Matt: And I'm Matt Britton.
Review: LEGO Harry Potter: Years 5-7
Andrew: All right. So, we are going to skip news this week. We'll get to it on another episode. It has been kind of slow, so no particularly huge stories to talk about. But Micah, you reviewed - I assumed this is you, or was this Eric?
Andrew: One of you...
Eric: Totally Micah.
Andrew: Okay. Micah, so you enjoyed the LEGO Harry Potter: Years 5-7 video game and you want to tell us how it was!
Andrew: Did it meet your expectations first of all?
Micah: Yeah, it did meet my expectations. I think part of the problem with the other Harry Potter video games is - we've talked about pretty much at length on this show and past episodes with the EA games. It's just - there's something about them that - but this game just feels like you're having a good time, it's fun. It's also easy and I don't mean that in a bad way but you can tell that the game is geared for you to go through and to really just have a good time. And it's made for fans of Harry Potter, by fans of Harry Potter. And I think that's one of the major differences. Eric got a chance to interview the game director Arthur Parsons down in Orlando and he's a huge Harry Potter fan. His team consists of all Harry Potter fans and I think that's where the key difference is. And I know that Eric and Matt both got a chance to play Years 1-4. What did you guys think of that?
Matt: Mhm. I loved it. Although - I mean, it's very immersive so you can spend so much time playing other mini-games and stuff. It's definitely not just Books 1-4, and 5-7, and then you're done. Once you finish a level, that opens you up to other places to play games and such, especially - I think all the LEGO games do that too, don't they?
Eric: Yeah, like...
Matt: For Indiana Jones...
Eric: ...free-play mode?
Matt: ...and Batman.
Matt: Yeah, free-play and then you get to do other levels and stuff. But no, I really enjoyed it.
Micah: Yeah. And - go ahead, sorry.
Eric: Well, I was going to say the Arthur Parsons interview is on the previous episode of MuggleCast, isn't it? Didn't we...
Andrew: Yeah, or 243.
Andrew: One of the two.
Eric: Yeah. So I mean, that's - you get a sense there and yeah, they took what they did in the first game and they just improved upon it. And that's kind of one of the good things about making more than one, is that you learn from critics and stuff like that.
Andrew: So, it was the same exact team, right? 1-4 and 5-7 had pretty much the same teams?
Eric: Yeah, pretty much from what I understand. He didn't mention anything. Arthur...
Eric: ...didn't mention any difference and that's kind of a good thing too because from the stories that he told, they're just super, super, super passionate.
Micah: Yeah. And in the review, I refer to the EA games more as being a corporate carbon copy of the movies. And it's true, but LEGO does follow the movies as well, but I think the difference is that they allow you to do more that you would want to do if you were a fan of the books. So, there's really just the smallest detail that's in there that you're not going to get in the Electronic Arts game. You have two hundred playable characters that are able to be unlocked. Everything from let's say Professor Trelawney or Professor Slughorn to the woman that serves the trio when they're inside the cafe in Deathly Hallows: Part 1. I mean...
Micah: ...you're talking the most obscure - you can play as Fang, you can play as Witherwings, you can play as the peacock that roams around Malfoy Manor, so - or even I think in the interview, Arthur Parsons mentioned you can play as Ginny's Pygmy Puff. That probably sounds a little dirty to say but... [laughs]
Eric: Well, no...
Andrew: It does.
Eric: Yeah, her pet...
Matt: Oh. No.
Eric: If you're playing as Ginny, you push the button to get your pet out and she takes it out of underneath her shirt, and it's her Pygmy Puff.
Eric: I've seen it happen.
Micah: And humor... [laughs]
Micah: ...has been a focal point of all the LEGO games, not just Harry Potter. There's a lot of funny scenes that take place throughout the game. And one thing that they've done, and I don't think it was in the first one, is now you have the opportunity to use Dark magic, so you have to actually unlock more of the evil characters in the series like Bellatrix or Voldemort, and then you actually have to go and purchase the character once you've unlocked them.
Eric: Mhm. And you get...
Micah: And you go back through the game.
Eric: It's like...
Micah: You can't do everything in the game.
Eric: ...gold studs, right? It's like golden studs that you have to collect by blowing stuff up...
Eric: ...and that's your currency, yeah.
Micah: But there are actual things that you are prevented from doing unless you unlock these characters, so as Matt was saying before, it's very time-consuming.
Micah: You're going to spend hours.
Matt: Which is great. I mean, you definitely get...
Matt: ...what you paid for.
Andrew: Now on the other hand, I'm looking at the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 game review and it just - bad ratings just like the rest of them, really. I mean, this one got a 4.0 on GameSpot and they say that - they call it, "Conceptually ridiculous, exceptionally tedious, incredibly short, three hours of gameplay, fails to capture the tension and excitement of the novels." In these games, the spells act like guns. "Expulso isn't an exploding spell: It's a rapid-fire machine gun."
Eric: [laughs] Whoa!
Andrew: "Confringo isn't a blasting curse: It's a grenade launcher."
Andrew: "Stupefy isn't a stunning spell: It's a pistol." [laughs]
Andrew: And not like a physical gun. I mean, they're still holding wands but that's the way the spells shoot...
Eric: They are more like...
Andrew: ...according to this review.
Eric: They are really more like first-person shooters, you know?
Andrew: And Apparating is just, like, short-distance moving around a field. It's just ridiculous.
Micah: And see the difference is with - in Year 5 when you start out in this game, you don't have all your spells. You're very limited in your arsenal, but then your...
Micah: ...arsenal expands to a lot of the spells that you had in LEGO Harry Potter: Years 1-4 once you decide that you've had enough of Umbridge and how she is going about running Hogwarts, so it's like once that change occurs - and it's a very inventive way to do it. And then all the rest of the spells that you learn, you have to learn from Professor Flitwick in Charms class.
Matt: Mhm. It's very good, and the more spells that you learn and accumulate, the more you can immerse yourself and do other things, too.
Micah: Yeah, absolutely.
Andrew: So Micah, you give this game a thumbs up? A recommendation?
Micah: Yeah. I mean, just...
Andrew: A buy?
Micah: [laughs] Yeah, exactly. It's just fun. I mean, that's what video games are supposed to be. I know - the way you just described Deathly Hallows: Part 2 from EA sounds like a - what's the big game right now where everybody goes online and they're playing, blowing people up?
Matt: Oh, Mission Warfare?
Andrew: World of Warcraft?
Eric: Modern Warfare?
Micah: Modern Warfare, yeah.
Matt: Modern Warfare, there you go.
Micah: So, I don't know. That's not how Harry Potter should be on a video game for. [laughs]
Matt: No. Maybe that's what they were trying to do, was trying to get...
Matt: ...that whole niche in the gaming community.
Main Discussion: "The Big Seven" - Daniel Radcliffe
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As we discussed at the beginning of the episode, or as I teased at the beginning of the episode, one of the things we wanted to talk about today is the futures of "The Big Seven" stars. And now we say "The Big Seven" because you may remember at the Deathly Hallows world premiere this past summer, J.K. Rowling referred to "The Big Seven" stars/characters: Dan, Emma, Rupert, Evanna, Matt, Bonnie and Tom. She characterized those as "The Big Seven." So, today we wanted to talk about where their futures are because obviously Harry Potter is over now, so what's next for each of them? And we'll start with Dan, the biggest of "The Big Seven" easily. And we all know he's had - he's done a really good job, I think, of moving on from Harry and he started even before the franchise was over. Of course, he was in Equus in London and in New York. And then afterwards he went to How to Succeed, the musical on Broadway, still going on right now through the end of December, then he is finished. And then he has a film in the can which is coming out in February called The Woman in Black. And then recently - and this is kind of a new news item - he said - he heavily hinted actually. He is, "very likely to take on a gay role in a film next year." So, he'll portray a gay character and he did not say at all who it would be.
Andrew: He just said it's a gay character.
Eric: So, he was promoting The Woman in Black and he said this?
Andrew: Yeah, it may have been during that. I'm not sure.
Matt: It's going to be the life story of Lance Bass.
Andrew: But actually, I think it's a really good idea by Dan because I think he's trying to go completely opposite of Harry in all ways, so the musical, Equus where he had to be nude, this gay role, The Woman in Black, it's a very creepy thriller...
Micah: He's dressing up as a woman in black?
Eric: He wants to...
Matt: That's Halloween.
Eric: No, but he does want to diversify, you know? You need to get...
Eric: ...out of that shell and I don't think anybody doubts that he can do it because he has done it. But it will just be very interesting to see him in, like you say, all sorts of different types of roles.
Eric: And that will really give him the strongest - not only resume, but for moving forward for a couple of years from now.
Micah: Yeah, I was going to say I think he is the one who is probably the most likely - and he has already proven this - to test himself.
Micah: To push the envelope a bit to really challenge himself. And that's not to downplay any of the other actors or actresses we're going to talk about. I just think that he's willing to take a risk.
Matt: Mhm. I think he's very excited to explore other roles and he's definitely hitting every - trying to hit every spot in the spectrum.
Andrew: And he's been asked a lot, "Would you take on another fantasy series?" And I think he has said no and I don't blame him because you don't want to just be identified as someone in a fantasy series and something that Harry Potter is so rare. I mean, he could star in the next Percy Jackson which is flop.
Andrew: Although a fantasy film could definitely benefit from him starring in it, I think.
Matt: Well, any film can benefit from him starring in it.
Andrew: Well yeah, I guess. I mean, The Woman in Black I don't see doing huge at the box office.
Matt: Well, it will do a lot more than it would have done if he didn't star in it.
Matt: But do you guys - I seriously do not think that it's possible for Daniel Radcliffe to shed away from Harry Potter. Do you think that he still has that - is he trying to not be remembered for Harry Potter...
Eric: No, no, I don't think that's it at all...
Matt: ...and remembered for other things, too?
Eric: ...and I think some of the special features - I think his conversation with J.K. Rowling. He said as much he's not trying to get away from Harry Potter but - because he'll always be grateful for the experience. He'll always take that experience that he's had working with all those people close to his heart. But I think the other thing is is that that's not going to be the only thing in his life, you know?
Matt: Right, he wants to have a career.
Eric: He really wants to take what he has learned and apply it to other things, which is really cool.
Matt: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that's cool.
Main Discussion: "The Big Seven" - Emma Watson
Andrew: Let's talk now about Emma Watson. Micah I know is leading a new fan club. Never mind, bad joke. So, Emma Watson, she...
Micah: Ben and I actually started it up.
Andrew: Oh, cool.
Micah: I don't know where you're going with this, but... [laughs]
Andrew: I don't know. Like a, "Emma, we know you can break free of Harry Potter," that sort of thing. I don't know.
Matt: Dot com.
Andrew: So, one big film that she's going to have next year in 2012 is The Perks of Being a Wallflower and this is based on a very popular book. And the book is interesting in that it's set up like a diary and - she's not the writer of the diary but she plays one of the bigger characters. I'm in the middle of reading it right now. It's a really good book. There's a lot of anticipation around it because there's a great fan base already there. The addition of Emma Watson in it, I think, is very beneficial to it. And yeah, so that's coming up. I think that will be a great next move for her. And then also a film that's out now, or out very shortly, is My Week with Marilyn and she has a smaller role in that, but...
Eric: Yeah, I remember reading The Perks of Being a Wallflower, actually, and it would have been in ninth grade or so. And I remember it being very moving to me at the time and also because the main character Charlie, who is writing this diary, goes through some really moving changes in his life. But also a lot of it comes from this character Sam, who is the character that is being played by Emma Watson. And it's a very coming of age - and by coming of age, I mean at times it's sexual, at times it involves drug use - kind of performance, and so it is going to be one of those steps away for Emma Watson from the bookish Hermione role that was kind of not sexual at all. And also the idea that the film is actually being filmed in Pittsburgh which is where the book is set. And it's being directed by the author of the book, so it's going to be - hopefully. I have high hopes that it's going to be an exact or a very faithful adaptation, considering this director has written the book and the screenplay, so there's that.
Andrew: The studio behind it is Summit, which is the studio behind Twilight so they have some experience with book-to-film adaptation. You can decide on your own...
Andrew: ...if Twilight did a good job or not.
Andrew: But Summit doesn't really have a hand so much in the adaptation, that is more up to the screenwriter.
Micah: Are those the vampire movies?
Andrew: Yeah, that's the vampire movies, yeah. And there's no release date, but the film is in the can. I mean, they shot it, I assume it's pretty much finished. They - Summit just hasn't decided when exactly in 2012 to release it yet, so...
Matt: Right. I mean, they do have promotional stills of the movie.
Eric: Yeah, didn't Emma recently talked about her role in the book?
Andrew: Yeah, there has been...
Eric: Or there was a positive experience, I think she said.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, I think she really enjoyed it. And there has been a little bit of press for it but not much because you still don't have a date for it, really. And then a side note, and this is another recent news story, David Yates said recently he has a really great script for Emma Watson. He said - let me try to put on my Pooh Bear voice.
Andrew: [poorly imitating David Yates] "I've got a really great script." [normal voice] No, that's awful.
Matt: What is that? [laughs]
Andrew: I don't know. "I've got a really great script for Emma Watson. I just have her voice in my head for this part, an amazing role and she'll knock it out of the park." So, Yates really wants her to be involved and I think Emma would be inclined to work with Yates again.
Matt: I think so.
Matt: I think Emma probably has the best platform for making it, I think, the most out of "The Big Seven."
Eric: Is that - do you think?
Matt: I think so because for Dan, he has a bigger chip on his shoulder because he was the central character in the entire series. He was the title character. And for the supporting roles, it's not as hard for them to break out because they weren't center stage as much.
Eric: Well, we mentioned Equus with Dan, obviously, and his Broadway roles. Emma was one of the models for the - was it 2010 season of Burberry? So, she's done some modeling which was interesting.
Matt: Yeah, that is interesting. I think...
Eric: She still is appearing in sort of French commercials...
Eric: ...for beauty products.
Matt: Well, I think that's great. I think for Dan, I think he'll probably have - be more proficient in Broadway and theater once he gets older.
Andrew: Yeah, he seems more like a Broadway type of person to me, personally.
Matt: But regarding Hollywood or mainstream films, I think maybe not soon, but once she gets older too, I think - in the long run, I think Emma would have a more lasting career.
Andrew: She is kind of more Hollywood. She does feel more Hollywood.
Matt: Well, I see her being like one of like Kate Winslet and...
Eric: Oh, yeah.
Matt: ...those kind of actresses.
Eric: Yeah. Well, I did see - speaking of that, I did see My Week with Marilyn.
Andrew: Oh, how was it?
Eric: It was good, it was a screening. She plays - it's like a smaller character but it's an important one because it's basically about this guy who becomes intimate with [laughs] Marilyn Monroe. And Emma does not play Marilyn Monroe, so she plays sort of a costume assistant or something who this guy is initially infatuated with and goes out, but she gets her heart broken. But it's a good role. There are clips on the Internet of her in the role. Kind of small role but Kenneth Branagh is in it, he plays Sir Laurence Olivier. So, it's kind of a high-profile film in a way, but it still feels kind of obscure or different or out there. But yeah, she has a good role in that, too.
Main Discussion: "The Big Seven" - Rupert Grint
Andrew: So, now let's talk about Rupert Grint. He has one role - well, he has a couple of things. He has a couple of projects in 2013 and one in 2012. One in 2012 is called Into the White with Gunner Robert Smith, and the two in 2013 - at least the more interesting one, the larger one appears to be Postman Pat: The Movie. Now most Americans are probably thinking, "What on earth? Postman Pat? Bob the Builder? What? Is there a connection here?" And actually yes.
Andrew: [laughs] Well, they seem similar to me, actually. Postman Pat is an animated children's series and they are - television series, rather. And they are turning it into a movie and actually it stars a couple of Harry Potter stars: David Tennant, Jim Broadbent and of course, Rupert Grint. And I believe Rupert Grint has the lead role as Postman Pat himself, so...
Andrew: Do you guys think Rupert is going to continue with a film career or does he seem not so interested in pursuing it?
Micah: I don't know. Why don't we ask him?
Eric: Well, we certainly don't have to - or he certainly doesn't have to. But one of the things that he did and this is a movie that came out sort of over the last year, I want to say. It's a film called Wild Target and he appears with Bill Nighy who is a hitman and it's really about sort of escaping, running from these other criminal characters. And Rupert plays this really large role in this movie. He's kind of just - I want to say a careless stoner, at first. But he gets involved in sort of the escape attempt of Bill Nighy's character who I believe fails to kill one of his charges. See, they're accidental - it's kind of like a comedy but there's a ton of action in it. And I was just surprised, watching this film, how good Rupert was in the film. And we've known he's done other films, too, such as - what's the one where he's with Julie Walters?
Matt: Oh, Driving Lessons.
Eric: Driving Lessons. It was really good and obviously very early during Potter. Something like Wild Target just kind of showed me that he can still - he just has a really unique role in that film and I would like to see him continue to get work, maybe not as - my prediction is that he won't be in as much of stuff as some of his other co-workers, for sure. And like I said, he doesn't really have to be in anything. But I will still enjoy watching him, I think, and not having grown up with Postman Pat, who knows how that film will be? But we've seen prominent actors lending their voice to characters in animated films and it goes well for them, you know? And it's just another way to reach a different audience.
Andrew: There is...
Micah: Yep. He also seems to do a lot of charity work as well.
Micah: A lot of things that he draws and...
Matt: I could see Rupert doing a television series or something.
Main Discussion: "The Big Seven" - Tom Felton
Andrew: It just doesn't seem to me that he - as a child he got into it and I could see him just not really being - he can live off Harry Potter money for the rest of his life [laughs] if he wanted to very comfortably. It just seems like he - well, let's move on now to Tom Felton, on the other hand. Tom Felton has a smaller role than Rupert, Emma and Dan, but he's really pursuing acting. I mean - and he seems very Hollywood. He has quite an impressive list of films coming up. There is at least six or seven listed just on IMDB. In 2012, there is Night Wolf, The Apparition and Labyrinth. And then in 2013, there is Grace and Danger. And there is a couple of others: Evac, which is listed for this year, and From the Rough.
Matt: Wait, Labyrinth?
Matt: Is that a remake? Is this the Jim Henson remake or is this something else?
Andrew: It's a T.V. series, it's coming out next year. There was a few photos online the other day.
Matt: Oh, okay. Yeah.
Eric: From what I understand, yeah, no relation to - and when that image came out, which I know we're going to talk about, I was concerned because he's got long hair, kind of like David Bowie at one point. But I don't think they're the same at all, but it is a film called Labyrinth.
Andrew: So, there are new photos of him in Labyrinth and he looks good.
Eric: He's got...
Andrew: I mean, he looks crazy.
Eric: ...long brown, sort of medieval looking...
Andrew: Unshaven, bloody face.
Andrew: [mocking Matt] Dirty.
Eric: Yeah. But way to diversify, right? And I mean...
Andrew: Yeah, exactly.
Eric: ...even Planet of the Apes, Rise of the Planet of the Apes film, he's in it and he's a fairly important character in it, and seeing him get this work is really good. But you're right, he does appear to be working really hard at - and really wanting to pursue his acting as a result of all these projects he's got lined up.
Matt: Well, he already had an acting career before Harry Potter, too.
Eric: That's true. That is true.
Matt: His resume wasn't very big or anything, but he was actively in roles before Harry Potter.
Andrew: Yeah, it just seems like he is very committed to making a big career for himself and I know he's in L.A. quite frequently...
Andrew: ...having meetings when not about future films. And don't forget, Planet of the Apes as well. That came out earlier this year. Got good reviews. He didn't have that huge of a role but it was a Hollywood film.
Andrew: very Hollywood.
Matt: He has said in interviews that he is actively trying to pursue the whole Hollywood acting career.
Main Discussion: "The Big Seven" - Evanna Lynch, Matthew Lewis and Bonnie Wright
Andrew: Now, let's talk about three others. Evanna Lynch, she plays Luna, of course. No - at least according to IMDB, nothing yet for the future but she - it's been clear she's been out in Los Angeles trying to make some moves, meeting with people, all that good stuff.
Andrew: And then there is Matt Lewis. He has a 2012 film called Wasteland but that's about it for him. And then Bonnie Wright. She has two 2012 films: Geography of the Hapless Heart and The Philosophers.
Matt: God, didn't get too far from Harry Potter, did she?
Eric: The Philosophers? What's that about?
Matt: It's looking for a stone.
Andrew: I don't know. [laughs] Yeah, where is the stone? I found the stone. The end.
Eric: Oh wow, this is the plot summary for The Philosophers: "At an international school in Jakarta, a philosophy teacher challenges his class of twenty graduating seniors to choose which ten of them would take shelter underground and reboot the human race in the event of a nuclear apocalypse."
Matt: So, it's a comedy.
Eric: Actually she's starring with Daryl Sabara who was in the Spy Kids films but has now grown up, and James D'Arcy who looks familiar.
Matt: Oh, Freddie Stroma!
Andrew: He's from Harry Potter, yeah.
Matt: He played Cormac.
Andrew: In - now maybe this was just the screenwriter's fault, I don't know. But Bonnie Wright in the Harry Potter films has always sucked to me. She's never been a good actress, I can't believe when Jo said she was one of "The Big Seven." I was, like, "Are you kidding? Is this a joke?"
Matt: Well, no. Okay, well, first of all, when J.K. Rowling says, "The Big Seven," regarding to the literary characters...
Eric: Because Ginny is?
Eric: Yeah, it's probably muddled for Jo. But the thing is, and if you watch The Women of Harry Potter documentary that's on the latest Blu-ray release, I was blown away because I found myself being most interested in what Bonnie Wright had to say. So, there's that. I mean, she's really, really smart. You just get...
Matt: Her interviews haven't really... [unintelligible]
Eric: You just get the impression that she was completely for whatever reason underutilized, under-placed in the Potter films. Blame anybody. But the films are not about Ginny and any time spent with Ginny is very awkward. She gets a lot of flack from people, I'm sure.
Matt: Even the character gets a lot of flack.
Eric: The character does, too. But in the books, it's such a strong character.
Matt: Not a lot of people like her.
Eric: And she seems to be a very intelligent girl, so I'm looking forward to her in particular moving on because I want to see what she can really do.
Andrew: I think you're just attracted to her.
Andrew: This is your hormones talking.
Matt: No, I think Eric is right. We haven't seen Bonnie Wright actually act, like had the spotlight, had a role, seeing what she can do. We've seen her being underused in the Potter series. Her character was definitely - she definitely got taken for granted.
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