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Micah: Because after seven years we're still going strong, this is MuggleCast Episode 248 for January 22nd, 2012.

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Andrew: This week's episode of MuggleCast is brought to you by, the Internet's leading provider of audiobooks, with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, non-fiction, and periodicals. For a free audiobook of your choice, go to

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Andrew: Just a little editor's note before we get into the show, Eric lost his audio file for about the first fifteen minutes so you'll notice he's missing but he comes on about fifteen minutes from now. So if you hear strange edits it's because we had to take out the blank spots where he was talking but we lost his audio. So just to clear that up. Enjoy the show.

Welcome to MuggleCast Episode 248. It is a new year. This is our seventh year of Harry Potter podcasting. I don't know if you guys know this but coincidentally there are seven books by JK Rowling, and seven tweets by JK Rowling as well.

Micah: [laughs] Is that how you want to start off 2012, talking about Twitter and JK Rowling in the same sentence?

Andrew: [laughs] I'm sorry. Actually, a correction: There is actually eight.

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: So...

Micah: Good.

Andrew: I thought there were seven. There are seven years of Hogwarts and seven years of MuggleCast. Ahhh, that's perfect! Seven years of Hogwarts, seven years of MuggleCast.

Micah: So you're saying this is it.

Andrew: So that means we have to finish - yeah. [laughs] We have to be done. I'm Andrew Sims.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: What's going on in the news this month, Micah? [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Well, now that everybody has stopped crying since you said that we're ending the show this year...

Andrew: What? Oh, I see.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

News: Daniel Radcliffe Hosts Saturday Night Live

Micah: First thing to talk about that Dan Radcliffe obviously has a lot going on right now, The Woman in Black coming out soon, but he hosted Saturday Night Live back on January 14th. And there was only one Harry Potter skit. His opening monologue poked a little bit of fun here and there at Harry Potter but one Potter skit. What did you guys think overall? Did you get a chance to watch Saturday Night Live?

Andrew: Yeah. I liked it. I thought it was a really good show. I personally think Saturday Night Live hasn't been that great overall the past year or two other than a couple of the stars, but Dan did a great job. They had some good skits for him. I thought the Harry Potter skit was actually pretty funny. I mean, it was slightly easy of a theme to write, like, oh, Harry has been - Harry is desperate to still be at Hogwarts and be living at Hogwarts, and he's just like a creep now and - that was kind of an easy thing for them to do. But overall it was good. He did a good job on the show.

Micah: I think the only thing that would have made that better is if they had at least one other celebrity from the series show up.

Andrew: Hmm.

Micah: And I thought it was actually going to be when they showed Snape and possibly had Alan Rickman, but...

Andrew: Oh! Yeah, that would have been good.

News: Deathly Hallows - Part 2 Wins 4 People's Choice Awards

Micah: That would have been good. But I agree with you. Overall I liked it. I thought it was pretty well done. Other news, Deathly Hallows - Part 2 cleaned up at the People's Choice Awards back on January 11th. It won for Favorite Movie, Favorite Action Movie, Favorite Ensemble Movie Cast, and Favorite Book Adaptation. The series was also nominated in the category of Favorite Movie Actor for Dan Radcliffe which he did not end up coming away with, and [laughs] Favorite Movie Star Under 25. Now, this was a category people seem to take the most issue with when we were announcing it on Twitter, because Dan Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, and Tom Felton were all nominated in this category and they only had one other person that they were going up against, and that person won. And I think what most people were able to deduce was that they split the vote.

Andrew: Yeah. Even so, I still don't understand how one of them couldn't have pulled ahead of this actress who won it. It just still doesn't seem to make sense to me because Tom Felton was promoting voting for him on his Twitter - it's just odd. It's very odd. The thing though is that the People's Choice Awards aren't really that epic of an awards thing. It's just like some lame award show on CBS that they do just to make a quick buck. And Daniel Radcliffe was in New York rehearsing for that. I guess Tom Felton - if any of those four were going to show up, I would have expected him to but not Rupert or Emma.

Micah: Well, just to...

Andrew: It's not that big of a deal of an award show.

Micah: Yeah. I was just going to say to your point, you look at the categories that they won in and the only one that was announced on the show was Favorite Book Adaptation. So they didn't even announce - for an award show, Favorite Movie. [laughs] I mean, how do you go through...

Andrew: Yeah, it does seem odd.

Micah: ...a whole award show and not announce Favorite Movie? Usually, that's one of the last things.

Andrew: I think this award show is swayed a little bit because it just seems very odd that CBS shows - this award show was hosted on CBS and yet CBS shows had won particular awards like Best New Comedy and Best New Drama, which just seemed odd to me because they're both on CBS and it's like - I don't know, there's a conflict of interest here.

News: BAFTA and Oscar Nominations for Deathly Hallows - Part 2

Micah: The BAFTAs. I believe initially the Potter series was long-listed for eleven awards, eleven BAFTAs, but the announcements were made - actually by Dan Radcliffe - earlier this week and Deathly Hallows - Part 2 was nominated in four categories: Production Design, Sound, Special Visual Effects, and Makeup and Hair.

Andrew: Hmm.

Micah: Not necessarily - maybe with the exception of Sound and Special Visual Effects, the categories I would have thought would have made their way through to the end here. Not even Best Movie?

Andrew: The Best Film nominees were The Artist, The Descendants, Drive, The Help, and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I can see why those - I mean, all five of those have been quite popular this award season. So maybe Harry Potter was long-listed for Best Film. I can't particularly remember.

Micah: Yeah, I think...

Andrew: But they'll take what they can get [laughs] at this point. They need whatever they can grab so if it's going to be Best Hair and Makeup, okay.

Micah: Yeah...

Andrew: The ones that matter...

Micah: ...the Oscars...

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: ...which are going to be announced on the morning of January 24th and...

Andrew: 5:00 AM Pacific.

Micah: You'll be awake, right?

Andrew: I hope you guys are up! I got my alarm set already.

Micah: I'll be at work, 8:00 AM.

Andrew: It's pretty exciting actually, I have to say, because - I mean, there's just been so much anticipation with Warner Bros. pushing Harry Potter so much. So the big question is going to be: Did all that advertising, and all that campaigning and kind of lobbying pay off? And I have to think once the nominees are announced and let's say Harry Potter did grab a few nominations, I think WB may try to kick off another campaign.

Micah: Yeah, we...

Andrew: And it's exciting for Harry Potter fans because it's the last chance, so it's like it'll be exciting to see if all this hard work from WB paid off. [laughs]

Micah: We know as of right now that it's been shortlisted for Visual Effects and Makeup. I don't know if it's been short-listed for anything else. Do you guys - off the top of your head, have you heard anything?

Andrew: I think it's just those two. They've been announcing shortlists one by one and they haven't been announcing all the shortlists, so...

Micah: But then the big ones get announced on the 24th.

Andrew: Yeah, everything will be announced that day. I think the only other shortlist that was announced - there may be one other, but I know earlier last week there was - they announced the shortlist for Best Foreign Film or Foreign Language Film or something like that. Obviously Harry Potter is not in that.

Micah: Right. And just to go back real quick to the BAFTAs, it was nominated - or long-listed, I should say - for Outstanding British Film, it didn't make the final cut, and also for Supporting Actor for Alan Rickman, that did not make the cut. So that's interesting to see how that translates over for the Oscars.

Andrew: The awards will be held Sunday, February 26th on ABC in the United States.

Micah: Can I make a prediction though?

Andrew: What?

Micah: I'm going to say that if Alan Rickman is nominated for Best Supporting Actor that's he's going to win, because it doesn't make sense to me to nominate him otherwise. They haven't nominated any Potter actor or actress in that category at all throughout eight movies - or seven, I should say.

Andrew: Are you kind of saying that he's kind of like the attractive male or female that enters the bar? Like he's going to be picked up? He or she.

Micah: I don't know if that's how - yeah, sure. Why not?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Well, I don't see how else you could mean that. I mean, if he's going to walk into the bar - in this case, for this metaphor's sake I'm referring to the nominations - he has to win.

Micah: Well, let's just take a look here for a second. Of the awards that WB is pushing for - the categories, I should say, that they're pushing for - what do you think is the best chance for them to win?

Andrew: Best Film! No, I'm kidding. I think Best Supporting Actor. I would have to look at the list again, to be honest with you. But I think Best Supporting Actor is a good one.

Micah: And Visual Effects possibly?

Andrew: Oh yeah, definitely. I think there's something with sound, right? Sound Design or something like that?

Micah: For Desplat?

Andrew: Yeah. Visual Effects - oh, you just said that one. Okay. Well, we'll have all the answers in - not all the answers, [laughs] we'll have some answers in a few days. What else is going on in the news?

News: "Should JKR Win a Nobel Prize?" Asks The Huffington Post

Micah: There was an interesting article while we've been off enjoying the holidays, about JK Rowling. And it was in The Huffington Post and it asked the question: Should she win a Noble Prize in Literature? What do you guys think?

Andrew: I would say yes. Well, let's look at who this award gets awarded to. Quote: "The person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction." I think that's right. I don't want to be paraphrasing Keith here, but I mean - well, I will paraphrase Keith. He says, "Certainly, the Harry Potter series has inspired people around the world to read and this does follow the guideline of 'an ideal direction.'" I think he's right. I mean, it has inspired millions of people to read when they wouldn't have been. And not just to read. I mean, everybody reads. But just to really love reading again. So yeah, I could see her doing that. She definitely deserves it.

Micah: The question is: When are these awards - or excuse me. When is the Noble Prize normally awarded?

Andrew: Isn't that a once-a-year thing?

News: The Woman in Black Premiere and Release Dates

Micah: I would think that she's probably been nominated at some capacity before this. That's it really for the news. I mean, I mentioned earlier the piece about The Woman in Black. It's going to be in theaters February 10th, it premieres actually on the 24th of this month, so I'm sure a lot of people are going to head out to the theaters to go check that movie out. But just another project. It looks pretty creepy, I got to be honest with you. Why is it not being released in October or something like that?

Andrew: Maybe they couldn't get it out sooner than now and they just figured, well, let's just do it - I mean, they also got to look at what else is in theaters at the time, so maybe they don't want to be competing with other films in particular.

Micah: Like Nightmare on Elm Street 55 or...

Andrew: Yeah. Well, maybe...

Micah: ...Halloween?

Andrew: ...there's a - well, no, but seriously.

Micah: I know.

Andrew: Maybe there's some serious big horror films coming out around October, they just don't want to compete with that. So - I mean, it's good they're releasing it in the winter though, right? Because it's kind of like a cold movie.

Micah: Yeah.

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Make the Music Connection

Andrew: So let's move on now to a segment we haven't done in a while: Make the Music Connection.

Eric: Yes!

Micah: Oh baby.

Andrew: In case you don't remember how this is played - it actually started with a segment Jamie came up with called Make the Connection, but now Make the Music Connection is where we play a song and one of the hosts has to connect it to Harry Potter somehow. Now, these songs are...

Micah: It actually makes a lot more sense. I don't know, Jamie had you...

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Harry Potter to...

Eric: Whatever he...

Micah: ...a helicopter flying upside down at midnight...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: ...on Christmas Eve or something like that.

Andrew: Running low on fuel.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: It was a little too arbitrary with Jamie's imagination.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: He got a little creative.

Andrew: So you can take the themes of these songs and sort of connect them to Harry Potter somehow. And you can also kind of interpret it as, well, where would this song be in one of the movies or in one of the books?

Eric: Mhm.

Andrew: So anyway, who wants to go first?

Eric: It's all you, Micah.

Andrew: Okay, Micah. I know you listen to this song a lot.

Micah: I'll go first.

Andrew: You'll like this.

Micah: Hopefully. [laughs]

Andrew: Like I said, we're doing top forty. There's a recent song out...

Micah: Oh, we're doing top forty?

Andrew: Rihanna called "We Found Love." Are you aware of this song?

Micah: [laughs] Oh yes.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: Top of my iPod.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay. Well here, I'll play a little sample and you have to make the connection.

Micah: All right.

["We Found Love" by Rihanna (feat. Calvin Harris) plays]

Andrew: All right, so this is "We Found Love" by Rihanna.

Micah: Hmm.

Andrew: Go ahead, make the connection.

Micah: I actually know that song.

Andrew: Oh good. Well yeah, I knew you would. You...

Micah: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Who knows? There was some stuff going on in the Chamber of Secrets which is kind of a hopeless place during Deathly Hallows during the battle.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: Between Ron and Hermione, right?

Eric: For a second there, I...

Andrew: And didn't Chamber of Secrets - in the film Chamber of Secrets, didn't Harry and Ginny kiss in the chamber? Or no?

Eric: I don't think they kissed.

Andrew: Or maybe not.

Eric: She's still like eleven, she's still like... [unintelligible]

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Okay, so she's still kind of young but it's the start of something.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: When it was very hopeless. It was a hopeless place.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. For a second there, I thought Micah was going to connect it to two mice in the chamber finding love...

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: they're about to be eaten by the Basilisk, then I was like, "Oh thank God you didn't do that."

Micah: That too. We have to respect all creatures.

Andrew: All right, Eric. Now it's time for your song. Again, another top forty hit.

Eric: Yay!

["Moves Like Jagger" by Maroon 5 (feat. Christina Aguilera) plays]

Andrew: All right. So this is "Moves Like Jagger" by Maroon 5, featuring Christina Aguilera.

Eric: Awww. Love that song, can I just say? I rock out to it all the time.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I'm going to make the connection, I think that - we're talking about to move like Jagger, to move like somebody who is iconic, and there's lots of meaning and kick some ass, frankly. Dumbledore moves like Jagger, I'm going to get that out there. It's Albus Dumbledore, he's broken and scarred, he's got all this stuff but he can still take on the badest baddie in the Harry Potter-verse. Dumbledore moves like Jagger.

Micah: Do you think he really has moves like Jagger though?

Eric: I think - well, I don't...

Micah: I mean, I think Jagger twenty years ago.

Eric: Jagger twenty years - yeah, I think...

Micah: Even the third year.

Eric: Maybe in another life?

Micah: You think he could break it on the dance floor?

Eric: Dumbledore? Yeah, absolutely. If not, he could totally stun everybody and make them think that he did.

Andrew: All right, fair enough.

Micah: Good enough.

Favorites: Future Potter Story Jo Could Write

Andrew: Now, let's move on to Favorites. This is future Potter story that Jo could write, that's today's theme. So what story would you want to see her write if she continued in the Potter world? So only one. You can only pick one. It has to be your favorite idea. Does anyone want to go first before we get to Twitter responses? We got a ton of responses on Twitter.

Eric: So favorite imaginary upcoming book?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. So if Jo - the pen and paper thing that she keeps talking about. Let's say it's actually Harry Potter.

Eric: Oh my God, I'm so tired of that.

Andrew: What would you...

Micah: Can we talk about that for a minute? We touched on that a little bit earlier but - I get the whole idea of having an official Twitter account because there are people out there that are going to pretend to be you. But really, what's the point?

Eric: I'm confused. [unintelligible] a news post about you.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Okay, but that's besides the point.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: Let's focus on the Favorites segment. Go ahead, Micah. If you would like to see one Potter book be released now, what would you like it to be?

Micah: It could be about any of the characters?

Andrew: Yeah, it may be a group of characters or maybe something like Fantastic Beasts.

Micah: Which adds to the story. I'd like to see something about the Marauders, more in-depth - what their time at school was like. We got a little bit of a taste from that - didn't she release something a couple of years ago which was kind of a scene...

Andrew: Beedle the Bard?

Micah: ...with James and...

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: No, it was for charity.

Andrew: The prologue. Or no, the prequel.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. It was basically - it was very short, and it was James and Sirius on Sirius's motorbike outrunning Muggle police.

Micah: The cops. Yeah.

Eric: [laughs] Yeah. That was cool.

Micah: Yeah, I would like to see more stuff like that because my favorite book was Prisoner of Azkaban, and I really like the whole backstory that you got on the Marauders and Harry's parents and things like that. So I'd like to see more from that time, learning more about those characters.

Eric: Yeah, I'm going to be quite annoying by the time this Favorites segment is done. I'm just going to echo everything you said.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: It think the Marauders are where it's at. If they do - because any story after Harry's journey - she does this nineteen years later. Nothing significant really happens in those nineteen years. Voldemort is the baddie of this Harry Potter series and with him gone, there's really nothing to write about. It wouldn't be interesting whereas if you're writing about the Marauders, you're leading up to something. You're leading to their eventual demise and redemption by the hand of their kids.

Andrew: But let's say that...

Eric: Which is good. Yeah.

Andrew: Let's say that Jo did decide to write a post Book 7. Could she create another enemy that is as epic as Lord Voldemort's story? I've wondered that recently and I don't think so, actually. [laughs] But that is the type of story I would like to see.

Eric: Okay, so...

Andrew: I would like to see another - maybe not another seven-book Harry Potter series but multi-book Harry Potter series with an archenemy that has to be defeated, and that would be a challenge for Jo because we really aren't aware of any others.

Eric: Right.

Andrew: Unless she started writing about existing people who we read about, maybe Death Eaters or something and one of them ended up going bad again. Something like that.

Eric: It's very interesting. I mean, you could make the argument that first it was Grindelwald, right?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Before it was Voldemort, there was Grindelwald so there is this history of dark wizards that exist that she could just do another one.

Andrew: And let's face it, there has to be. If we're speaking realistically, what, is there never going to be evil again in the wizarding world? No, of course not. There has to be more evil. And Jo could write about that.

Micah: Yeah, it would be interesting to see how it gets created, knowing that Voldemort existed and he created these Horcruxes, and that was his means of sort of preserving life and essentially going undefeated for the time that he did. What is the new route that she's going to take us down in terms of - what makes this new person not defeated - not defeat-able I guess, if that's even a word. But - you know what I mean? Like what's their dynamic going to be that's going to make them last throughout all these books without somebody just going up and killing them?

Eric: Maybe there are vampires.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Or shapeshifting werewolves.

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