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Andrew: Because even JK Rowling gets un-followed on Twitter - by who?! - this is MuggleCast Episode 249 for February 12th, 2012.
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Andrew: Welcome everyone to MuggleCast Episode 249! Micah, Eric, and I are here this week. And also on the show, first time in a long time, Mikey B!
Mikey: Hi everybody!
Andrew: [in a funny voice] Hailing from Kentucky, America.
Mikey: What is that voice, Andrew?
Andrew: [in a funny voice] North America!
Andrew: I don't know, it was what you were doing.
Mikey: Is that what I did? Okay.
Andrew: Kind of.
Mikey: I don't know.
Andrew: Anyway, good to hear from you, Mikey.
Mikey: I know.
Andrew: How is life out there, living the married life?
Mikey: Yeah, living the married life. It's a little bit different than what I was used to out in California, but it's fun. It's colder out here.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, you ain't in California no more.
Mikey: I know.
Micah: But he's got California weather.
Mikey: Oh, I did for a while but now it's like 24 degrees. I'm freezing.
Eric: I know. Mikey, what is that?
Mikey: I know! You're in Chicago.
Eric: Chicago is...
Eric: Chicago is the same way, and we had...
Mikey: You're only five hours from me, so I know.
Eric: Yeah. That's cool.
Andrew: Well, we have lots of interesting news to get through. Thanks to Dan Radcliffe and his Woman in Black publicity tour. That's of course his new horror film, and he's been going all over the United States and United Kingdom promoting it, probably other countries as well. And now that he's done Harry Potter, he sort of is like speaking more off the cuff, I feel.
[Eric and Mikey laugh]
Andrew: These interviews have been insane.
Andrew: Like every new interview, there's something else to be talking about that is surprising or shocking.
Andrew: So, go ahead, Micah. Lead us through it, please! Like always.
Micah: Well, the first piece of news that we have here was Dan Radcliffe discussing Twilight as a potential threat to Potter. And he also went into which series he believed was more [laughs] sexually aggressive, and this just goes to what you were talking about before, Andrew. It seems like he's opening up a bit more. He has freedom of speech now, whereas maybe Warner Bros. put a little bit of a lid on him through all of these films. And it's interesting. He told I guess a magazine in London that there was never really any kind of competition between Potter and Twilight, and - I kind of agree with him though, because I think you have to have two things that are on equal footing to be competitive. Isn't that right?
Andrew: Yeah. And it was funny because he kind of called the whole comparison between - you know, Harry Potter versus Twilight, that whole versus concept in the first place, just odd for people to be doing that. And then addressing these sexual aggressiveness of things, I think he was more referring to the content of the books. [laughs] But still very funny. It's always interesting to hear Dan, who is so of course attached to Harry Potter, talk about other fandoms.
Mikey: Well, I like that he said he was Team Edward because he's friends with Robert Pattinson. So...
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Mikey: I was like, "Oh, that's interesting."
Mikey: They're two book series, that's the common thread between the two of them.
Andrew: Yeah, you really can't compare it. I mean, there's no point in comparing it and people like to say, "Oh, one is better than the other," but of course listeners of this podcast will probably say Harry Potter is better. But it's just silly. It's all entertainment. It's all the same trip.
Mikey: Yeah, one has got wizards, one has got vampires. Again...
Andrew: Sparkly vampires.
Mikey: Sparkly vampires. You're right, you're right. I can't - the only thing I can compare is Wizards of Waverly Place had wizards and vampires so that might be the common thread between the two of them.
Mikey: I watch that on Disney Channel, you guys know that, so I have to bring that in. [laughs]
Micah: Well, wasn't it - I saw a graphic recently saying that Disney created a better love story in seven minutes with Up than Twilight did...
Andrew: Twilight did in four books.
Micah: ...in an entire series.
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Eric: Well, not a whole lot of things can top Up, that first seven minutes.
Micah: That was an awesome movie.
Mikey: Yeah, Up was phenomenal. So...
Andrew: Anyway, what other shocking statements did Radcliffe make?
Mikey: Well, he also said that Potter Oscar snub was snobbery. So he's really laying it all out there, and he went on to say:
"I don't think the Oscars like commercial films, or kids' films, unless they're directed by Martin Scorsese. I was watching 'Hugo' the other day and going, 'Why is this nominated and we're not?' I was slightly miffed. There's a certain amount of snobbery."
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Andrew: It's so funny to me that he would put down Hugo, which has gotten very, very, very good reviews. I haven't seen it, but I've heard good things.
Eric: I don't know that he...
Micah: Did it top Deathly Hallows - Part 2's 97% on Rotten Tomatoes?
Eric: Oh, 96%, look at that. Well, I think - I haven't seen Hugo, I do want to, but I think people are misreading that quote where he says, "Why is this nominated?" He says, "Why is this nominated and we're not?" It's kind of the second half of that that's...
Andrew: Oh, that's true. That's true.
Eric: ...more important because I think what he's saying is that Hugo and Potter are very similar, which - based on what I read about Hugo, it's not. But when I first saw the trailer for Hugo, it looked exactly like a Harry Potter film.
Andrew: Yeah, it did have that feeling. And maybe what he also meant was that up to ten films could have been nominated for Best Picture and only nine were nominated. So...
Eric: That was the most shocking thing. We didn't even cover that, because before - on our last show, the announcements hadn't come yet. It was like the day before the announcements.
Eric: So nine categories - or nine nominees for Best Movie this year instead of the...
Micah: When he says "commercial films" though, is he referring to Potter? Or when he says "kids' films," is he referring to Potter? Because I wouldn't consider at least the latter half of the Potter films to be kids' films.
Eric: Well, you wouldn't, but would critics?
Mikey: It's a children's story. I would say that's what he can consider. At the same time, I think commercial films - like when you look at all the films that are Best Picture, none of them made nearly what Harry Potter did. But again, it's a huge franchise, so...
Andrew: Well, we'll discuss the Oscars more in a little bit. We have a main discussion on this.
Mikey: I know.
Mikey: I'm excited.
Andrew: Let's hear more in a bit.
Mikey: I'm excited.
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Micah: Well, one of the other things that Dan was asked about was if the Potter films were to be remade, what character would he want to play. And not surprisingly, he said he'd want to play James Potter.
Micah: Not a very exciting choice.
Andrew: No, but he selected it for that reason, it's because it wouldn't require much work of him.
Mikey: See, if he was going to come back to Harry Potter films, they're remaking them, I'd want him to play Hagrid.
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Mikey: I think it would be fun!
Andrew: I don't think he has the stature.
Mikey: I think it would be fun. But see - come on, they could do amazing things in post. Like come on, wouldn't Dan Radcliffe being Hagrid just be fun for fans?
Eric: Not as cool as it would to see him as Snape.
Mikey: Ehhh. But see, Hagrid is just a love-able character. Snape - I still have a hard time loving Snape.
Eric: No, me too, which is why it would be really cool if he were like this dark - oh, maybe in like fifteen, twenty-five years, something like that.
Mikey: We'll see.
Micah: It's interesting though because I wonder how the people who are behind The Woman in Black feel about the fact that Dan Radcliffe is putting out all this material related to Potter when he should be promoting that film. Or do you guys think that it kind of lends to the promotion of the film anyway? Because he's saying some pretty interesting stuff here that we've never heard before.
Mikey: It's lending to the film.
Eric: Yeah, he's showing up at the places. Whenever they talk about promoting a film, it just means appearing in interviews. And when they get introduced like on Letterman, "Oh, appearing to talk about his new film Woman in Black is Dan Radcliffe." But then when you get to the interview part, they can talk about anything. And it doesn't really matter because...
Andrew: And people want to hear talk about Potter.
Mikey: And at the same time, it's Dan Radcliffe. He is Harry Potter.
Mikey: So here's what happens, is if they can bring in a quarter of the Harry Potter fandom in to see Woman in Black, that movie does well.
Mikey: So they're - it's kind of like taking the best things [laughs] that Dan Radcliffe did...
Mikey: ...and put it in this film, so it's like, "Hey, come on, let's get him in here."
Eric: The other thing is - guys, how often do you think he gets asked, "Oh, are you sad Harry Potter is over?" Or, "How often do you think -" if you had to divide the questions that people ask Dan Radcliffe these days, how many do you think have to do with Harry Potter and how many do you think don't? So I think just in general there's this - people still want to talk about it and he's like - I think he's being forced to kind of...
Andrew: But he knows it's good though because if he does say these surprising, interesting things, then it makes for a good headline, then people read the article, and then at the end they see "Dan Radcliffe is in The Woman in Black in theaters now."
Mikey: Yeah, that's exactly it.
Eric: Yeah, I like - yeah. He's definitely able to open up about Potter now a little bit more. It's been some time...
Andrew: Which is good.
Eric: Yeah. So it's a good thing.
Andrew: And then a little side-note to that story, he also said he would be Harry Potter again.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: So he's kind of contradicting himself. And the "I would play Harry Potter again" comment came out before the James Potter comment, so...
Micah: Well, it's just headline of the day, whatever fits with how he's feeling, I guess.
Andrew: Yeah. But it makes you think what - I mean, is he saying that because he knows he has some theme park work coming up, or what?
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Mikey: "Get your picture taken with the real Harry Potter!"
Eric: Oh no.
Micah: Book 9.
Andrew: I mean, I don't mean that. I mean like new video stuff for the upcoming theme park expansion or whatever.
Eric: Gosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder. Huh.
Andrew: So maybe he's just playing to save - if he said, "I will never play Harry Potter again," that probably wouldn't go well...
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: ...when we knew he had to go film some theme park stuff.
Micah: Well, it's interesting you say that, Andrew.
Andrew: Oh why?
Micah: Because there was a time he thought about never playing Harry Potter again.
Micah: He told the...
Andrew: Man, he just really can't make up his mind, can he?
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Micah: He told The Fan Carpet that, quote:
"There was a time after the third film when I thought about quitting. It was only for a second, but I thought, 'If I do the fourth, I'll have to do them all,' and that seemed quite daunting. If I was going to leave, that would have been the perfect time because it would have given whoever came in to play Harry enough films to establish himself properly. It wouldn't have totally dumped him in the..."
[censored] I guess is what he meant to say.
"But then I started thinking..."
Oh, am I allowed to say that?
Andrew: Yeah, whatever.
"...'What other good parts are there for fifteen-year-olds? None.'"
Andrew: Yeah, and my feeling on this is, okay, he considered it. Let's say he actually decided, "Yeah, I'm going to leave Harry Potter," first of all, very stupid decision; second of all, WB wouldn't have let him go. They would have just kept throwing money at him until there was an offer that he would have accepted. You can't get rid of your lead character halfway through the series. I mean...
Eric: I feel like - but we had heard those news stories - even we reported on those stories. Even during the first days of MuggleCast, there was - wasn't it for Movie 5 or Movie 6 we weren't even sure? Because they didn't have contracts.
Eric: They never had contracts all the way through.
Andrew: Up until Movie 5.
Eric: Up until Movie 5.
Andrew: Yeah, and then I remember there was a big press release about how [in a dramatic voice] Warner Bros. signs the trio on for all the remaining Harry Potter films.
Eric: Right. So up until Movie 5...
Andrew: It was like a sigh of relief.
Eric: Yeah, I remember that being a big deal. So it was interesting to me, reading this story, because Dan said as early as - before Movie 4 he considered - or at least was thought - it came to his head about possibly leaving. So that's interesting.
Micah: Yup. And another piece of information that came out probably a couple of months ago was that Dan Radcliffe had a pretty bad drinking problem. But what we found out more recently was that he was drunk night before going in to film Harry Potter. So - I mean, this is something that is dicey to talk about. It kind of falls under that tabloid label almost.
Micah: But I guess it's still news.
Eric: [sighs] This story is - this story upsets me. This is the one where I'm like, "Okay, Dan talking about this is not going to serve any good purpose." Like, it's not going to help you to talk about "Hey, go back and view all these movies. I'm going to point out scenes where I'm dead in the eyes and that's because I had been drinking the night before and was still drinking - or still drunk when I arrived on set." Okay, that to me hurts the film and it hurts his - how people view him.
Eric: On one hand, it's good that he's being open about it. But it's also saying...
Micah: Yeah, he's not afraid to talk about it.
Eric: He's not afraid to talk about it, okay. But - "What was the context?" I guess is what I'm asking.
Micah: Well, the information was revealed, like I said, months ago where he was very public about the fact that he had a drinking problem, and he said it was due to his addictive personality. And he felt that this is something that would have happened whether or not he was a part of the films from the beginning. And so I don't know. I mean, I just think that it's something that he had to combat in his life, and...
Mikey: If anything, it's kind of him showing that he's overcome this drinking addiction.
Mikey: Although I will say that I think the interviewer - like I'm looking at it right now. In context, it's really the person that's kind of baying him at it. It says:
"You're only 22. Don't most people in their early twenties drink too much?"
And he's like - and then he goes on and said it's because of his addictive personality, so he admits he was at fault here. But then he also says he can also say he never drank at work on Harry Potter, so he didn't drink while doing Harry Potter. But he went to work still drunk, meaning he had drunk the night before. And that's being honest. He's not trying to say that - "I had a drinking problem but I can honestly say at work I tried to stay as professional." And then they go:
"You mean Harry Potter had a hangover?!"
And he's like, yeah. If he went to work drunk, he knows where he was. Probably - I dare someone to point to certain scenes and say that that's when he was drunk. He might see it but it's because this was a hard time for him. It's like anyone dealing with addiction. So I think that's being taken out of context and...
Andrew: It is.
Mikey: It's a good tagline, "Harry Potter was drunk at work," you know?
Andrew: Go ahead.
Eric: I misread this, yeah. Mikey, that's a - okay, I see it now and having read the interview now or the part of it that's quoted from HeatWorld, now I see it. And you're right, I think the fact that he can see those scenes doesn't mean that anybody else can. It just means that that kind of thing - it'll always be there kind of...
Mikey: To haunt him. It's going to haunt him.
Eric: To haunt him...
Eric: ...in a way, yeah.
Andrew: And it's good that he feels confident enough to speak about it now. That's the other thing. He's not particularly ashamed by it because he has moved passed it and he accepted that time of his life. But very interesting. [laughs] This is going to sound kind of bad, but [laughs] I was considering - because he says in the interview he can point out scenes where he looks dead in the eyes [laughs] and I was thinking of watching Half-Blood Prince and making a list like, "The top ten scenes Dan Radcliffe is definitely drunk or hungover in."
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Andrew: But then that would have been bad taste. [laughs]
Eric: Yeah, it would have been. But I think, too - the other thing is I don't think it was that obvious.
Andrew: No, me neither.
Eric: Yeah. But if we go back and look, of course, then yeah, we might see something that...
Mikey: Well, it's hindsight - in hindsight you can see things and now that I know this, I might be watching Deathly Hallows - Part 2 again and re-watching...
Andrew: Half-Blood Prince.
Mikey: Or Half-Blood Prince, sorry. I'm where it's at. But going back and looking for specific stuff like this. But you know what? Am I really going to notice it? Probably not.
Eric: Yeah, I think it's probably one of those things where you know yourself so well you can tell when you're buzzed or whatever. But I don't think anybody else - because the other thing is the director - this one - the movies - whatever you see on the finished product went through a hundred other eyes, and if there was a problem with it, Dan was obviously one way or another. It wouldn't have made it into the film.
Mikey: If anything, I think for this right here, he can see it and I think if anything we just think that, "Wow, he is a better actor. He really was sullen from Dumbledore's death or something like that."
Eric: [laughs] The bags under his eyes are real because he didn't sleep well.
Mikey: Yeah, the bags under his eyes are real but we thought it just, "Wow, they did great makeup on him."
Eric: No, that's...
Andrew: Somebody left this comment on Hypable and I think this about sums it up. She said:
"So that's how he did the Felix Felicis scenes..."
[Andrew and Mikey laugh]
Eric: Which are the best scenes in any of the movies.
Andrew: That was from Katelyn.
Micah: But I think - it's interesting that we expected all of these kids really to go through the series without having any sort of blemish on them, and really we talked about how insulated they were and how they grew up really out of the spotlight and kind of maintained those images over time. And now we see a story like this, but - I mean, I don't think it should shock anybody, right?
Andrew: Well, it's...
Micah: I mean, this kind of stuff happens all the time. It's just magnified by the fact that he played Harry Potter.
Eric: Well, I mean, if anything - if anybody was lashing out in rebellion it was Emma Watson when she cut off all her hair. "Finally! Got a - I'm free!" That was what that said. So...
Andrew: But you're right, Micah, and we've always thought about, "Wow, all these kids have really grown up well." And they all really did, and Dan Radcliffe obviously did grow up really well and he's a great guy and professionally has a great career ahead of him. But you never know what's happening behind the scenes sometimes, and...
Mikey: But that's - Dan Radcliffe and the trio themselves are kind of put under a microscope because of who they are. But it's the same with anything else. Like, look at Disney. Anything that happens in their parks - Apple, they're huge now and so everything that they do, it goes everywhere. So big companies, actors - you see it all the time. TMZ makes a living out of this type of stuff, so...
Eric: Oh, I don't know that TMZ does anybody I care about. [laughs] I think now would be a good time to ask, have you guys seen The Woman in Black? Did you guys all see it?
Micah: No, I didn't.
Mikey: [laughs] No.
Mikey: Did you, Eric?
Eric: [laughs] What?
Andrew: Honestly, I'm not that into horror films and I'm not going to be...
Andrew: ...following Dan Radcliffe through every film that he does, so...
Mikey: You know what? I...
Eric: That's fine.
Andrew: Did you like it, Eric?
Eric: Yeah, I saw it. [laughs]
Andrew: You like it?
Mikey: See, the thing is I want to see it but...
Eric: Yeah, it was good.
Eric: It was - yeah, it was good.
Andrew: Oh. [laughs] Well said.
Mikey: That's good.
Andrew: Well, speaking of that, there's a related story - well, not really related but I hear somebody else is going to be in a horror film too, huh, Micah?
Micah: [emphasis on "I"] I am? Really?
Andrew: Emma Watson.
Eric: Goat Night. [laughs]
Micah: [laughs] Goat Night? Is that what you said?
Andrew: [laughs] The Goat in Black.
Micah: According to Bloody Disgusting - I've never heard of them before.
Andrew: They're a horror site.
Micah: Oh. Well, that makes sense.
Eric: It was the first time I had heard...
Micah: They're reporting that Emma Watson may be up for a lead role in an upcoming horror film entitled [pauses] Kristy. Sorry, I couldn't find the title.
Andrew: Kristy. Just Kristy.
Micah: So it's a slasher film.
Andrew: And what's interesting about it is that - yeah, and it takes place on a school campus.
"It follows a college coed who stays in her dorm during Thanksgiving and is terrorized by four masked assailants..."
Eric: Over Thanksgiving?
"...on the empty campus - the killers are up against far more than they bargained for."
Micah: That means boobies.
[Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: Well, I just think...
Andrew: The reason I kind of think it would be a good role for Emma Watson is because she is in school right now, so it's kind of like this interesting little connection. And when she's doing all the press interviews, she can be like, [poorly imitating Emma Watson] "Well, I'm in school right now, so I thought this was a great role for me. I could really get behind it and really get into the scene."
Mikey: [laughs] Is that your Emma Watson voice, Andrew?
Micah: Are you her spokesperson?
Andrew: No, but - yeah. Well, I just figured that's what she'll say. [poorly imitating Emma Watson] "I went to Brown and I'm at Oxford now, so..."
Mikey: Not your Emma Watson voice?
Eric: I don't know that this is - this film is in good taste or that it's - well, I mean, it's a horror film, so - just contemporary horror films, I'm over it. If it's compared to - what? The Strangers but on a college campus. Like, that's a messed-up movie and it's...
Micah: That's the thing, though. Compare it to what you just saw, though. Compare it to The Woman in Black which is a real horror film versus just cutting people up and - I don't think they should call it horror, I think they should call it...
Micah: Slasher, yeah exactly.
Andrew: The Woman in Black got a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes, by the way, so it's a fresh movie by Rotten Tomatoes' scoring system. But obviously...
Micah: I wonder how the woman feels about that? Maybe we could get her on the show.
Micah: I wonder how the woman in black feels about this.
Andrew: Oh. [laughs]
Eric: Oh, you don't want her on the show, Micah.
[Micah and Mikey laugh]
Eric: You really, really, really don't.
Micah: I'm afraid to turn around right now.
Andrew: There's other Emma Watson casting news too.
Eric: As long as you don't have any kids, it's good. As long as you don't have any kids, things are safe.
Micah: Well, apparently she is reuniting with director David Yates on a project called Your Voice in My Head.
Andrew: And this is the role that David Yates said a few - or maybe a couple of months ago at this point, that...
Eric: He has something.
Andrew: ...[poorly imitating David Yates] "Oh, I have this great role for Emma. It'd be perfect for her. I really want to work with her again. Blah blah blah." [back to normal voice] So this looks like the role. That will be nice for them, to work together.
Micah: I'm sure David is very happy with your impersonation of him.
Eric: Apologize now.
Micah: Treating former guests on our show. Such disrespect.
Andrew: All right...
Mikey: I think that's the last of the news.
Andrew: Yeah, that is it for the news. That is it for the news! Okay. Thanks, Micah. Great job as usual.
Micah: No problem.
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