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Ben [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast - Episode 25 for January 29th, 2006. This week's show is sponsored in part by, your No. 1 source for all of your Internet needs. has domain names, transfers, and renewals for as low as $1.99. Plus, check out their hosting plans, website builders, secure certificates and much more! Plus as a MuggleCast listener, enter the code MUGGLE, that's M-U-G-G-L-E, when you check out and save an additional 10% on any order. Get your piece of the Internet today at

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John: Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of MuggleCast. I'm your favorite MuggleNetter, MuggleNet Greg, bringing it to you this week.

[Everyone acts puzzled]

Andrew: Ummm, I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: Ummm, I'm Ben Schoen.

Eric: I once was a man named Eric Scull.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Laura: Ummm.

Andrew: Ummm.

Ben: MuggleNet Greg?

Andrew: Hold on.

John: Muggle... Yeah.

Andrew: MuggleNet Greg? Yeah. Hey!

John: Did I miss my cue here, boys? I apologize.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: No, no. You did fine. Just...did anyone invite you this week? Or... This is sort of...

John: I did get that postcard in the mail the other day.

Andrew: Oh...oh, right. Right.

Eric: He's MuggleNet Greg. He doesn't need an invitation.

Andrew: Right. That's cool.

John: Is there...

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: He doesn't need an invitation.

John: Ummm.

Andrew: Alright. Well, if you want to host, just...

Ben: But dude, hold on.

Andrew: ...go ahead.

Ben: Hold on. MuggleNet Greg...

John: Alright.

Ben: Wait a second.

John: What?

Ben: MuggleNet Greg sounds an awful lot like someone else.

John: No, surely you must be mistaken. There's only one MuggleNet Greg.

Andrew: No, he sounds like MuggleNet Greg.

John: There's only one MuggleNet Greg.

Andrew: I've heard...I've heard MuggleNet Greg on PotterCast. I know he's for real.

Ben: But who is that guy from The Leaky Cauldron, from PotterCast. What's his name?

Andrew: Kim Blaire?

Ben: No, no, no.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: His other name.

John: They have a podcast. When did they have one?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I know. It's total crap.

Andrew: iMuggle? [laughs, then yells] I'M CONFUSED! THERE'S TOO MANY MUGGLES!

Ben: Well, there is only one good one.

John: Yes.

[Laura and John laugh]

Ben: Okay, the jig is up. Guys, the jig is up.

John: The jig's up.

Ben: Joining us this week is PotterCast's John Noe.

[Andrew laughs]

John: Oh my, you just spilled the beans.

Ben: He's now MuggleCast Pyromaniac - that's his nickname.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: For those of you who don't know, John almost burned down his dorm last week.

[Everyone laughs]

John: No, that's probably getting a little over-exaggerated there.

Ben: Oh whatever, dude. The fire department had to come and his windows were bursting out, and flames were everywhere.

[Andrew laughs]

John: Only three kids jumped from the balcony.

[Everyone laughs]

John: But, that was not my fault. They over-reacted. They would have jumped anyway.

Ben: Okay guys, enough chitchat. Let's go to Micah for the News.


Micah: Thanks, Ben.

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has now climbed to No. 9 on the list of the highest-grossing films of all time, one place behind Chamber of Secrets. The fourth movie has accumulated more than $286m domestically and over $589 million overseas, bringing its international total to $874.9 million, roughly $2 million behind the second Harry Potter film.

Each year, NBC's morning news show asks special guests to sign a coffee table book to sell for charity. The 2005 book includes signatures from Dan Radcliffe and Emma Watson and is currently up for auction on eBay. All proceeds will go the Lupus Foundation of America (LFA).

Jo Rowling attended a press conference in the Romanian government's Victoria palace in Bucharest this past week. At the press conference in Bucharest, Jo spoke about her concerns for the mental and physical well-being of children in Eastern European orphanages. She said, "There is now widespread agreement among child health experts that irreparable long-term damage is caused to young children who are institutionalized without a parent."

Yahoo! News reported that during the charity dinner in Bucharest, the Harry Potter author raised a Ä170,000 by auctioning off six signed Harry Potter books and purchasing a famous Brazilian footballer's shirt. A number of photos from the event can be seen through various sources over on

Voting for the 2006 AOL Moviefone Moviegoer Awards is now open. Nominations are in the areas of Movie of the Year (Goblet of Fire), Actor of the Year (Dan Radcliffe), Actress of the Year (Emma Watson), Best Scene-Stealer (Brendan Gleeson), and Vilest Villain (Ralph Fiennes).

Warner Bros. has announced that the Goblet of Fire DVD will be released on March 20th in Britain. Here in the U.S., it will hit shelves on March 7th.

Earlier this week it was confirmed that Katie Leung, the actress who portrays Cho Chang will be back for Order of the Phoenix.

In book news, the Polish translation of Half-Blood Prince was released to eager fans in a thousand bookstores across the country yesterday at midnight on January 29th.

Yesterday's Daily Telegraph has a early preview of what we will be seeing at this year's Book Aid International Auction, benefiting the poorest countries in the world. JK Rowling is one of the authors who are participating in the donation of a special item related to their books. Her item is a handwritten version of the Black Family Tree. The auction will be held in London on February 21st.

Finally, be sure to head over to as the Harry Potter author has updated both her Diary and News sections this past week.

That's all the news for this January 29th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Ben: Thanks, Micah.


Ben: Now, let's go to the Announcements. This week we have tons of announcements, right, Andrew? Maybe two.

Eric: Yeah, all three of them.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Do you want to do one, Andrew? Do you want to do an announcement?

John: I want Eric to do one. I want Eric to do one.

Andrew: MuggleNet Greg, hold up for a second. First of all guys, I have a bone to pick with you.

John: MuggleNet Greg says...

Andrew: What's going on? Joe Vitale beating us on John: Yeah. [laughs] That guy.

Ben: "Yeah!"

John: Isn't that that guy?

Andrew: This is Joe.

Ben: No.

John: Oh, son of a gun.

Ben: But the point is, the point is...

John: It's his brother Joe.

Ben: ..we're sucking it up on Podcast Alley and we need your help.

Andrew: We haven't asked in a few weeks.

Ben: Go out and vote for MuggleCast on

John: Yeah.

[Ben and Andrew laugh]

John: And if you forget how to spell MuggleCast, you can probably type in PotterCast. You know, it's the same thing - Harry Potter.

Andrew: Oh, I knew this would happen. Lots of shameless plugs.

[Laura laughs]

John: It's all good.

Andrew: [Laughs] Yeah.

John: Shameless nothing.

Ben: [Laughs] Yeah. Hey Eric, Eric, Eric, did you have something to say - an announcement of some sort?

Andrew: [Whispers]: Just don't talk.

Eric: Andrew can do it if he wants to.

Andrew: As we mentioned last week, don't forget, we have our MuggleCast Remix, which is basically a look back at all the past episodes - from Episodes 1 to 23, I believe it is.

John: Woo-hoo! Golly!

Andrew: Yeah, aren't you impressed? [laughs]

Eric: Cool beans.

John: Oh, funny.

Eric: You should check it out, though.

Andrew: Yeah. It was headed by Eric Scull.

Eric: Hooray.

Andrew: You put in all the hours in on it and we recommend everyone check it out. It's long, it's not just, you know, your average everyday remix. It's a MuggleCast remix. We don't mess around.

Eric: That's right. That's right. [starts humming]

Andrew: So, check that out on the MuggleCast site at [Says something that can't be understood] Oh, I screwed it up!

[Eric says something weird]

Andrew: Over to you Ben.

Main Discussion - Ronald Weasley

Ben: Over to me. Oh geez, what's going on this week, Andrew? Oh yeah, at the end of each show I always comes up with some random character and we end up discussing them. This week, it is Ron.

Andrew: Oooh.

Ben: So, it's time to go on to our Main Discussion of the week. Oooh. Throw the confetti everywhere. Yay! Main Discussion time.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Andrew, do you have, what's that one site? HP-Lexicon? Do you have that up?

Andrew: Oh, you mean...part of the Floo Network, which is also in affiliation with The Leaky Cauldron.

John: Oh, I've heard very good things.

Eric: Okay, stop plugging. Honestly.

John: Well, we're not called that anymore.

Andrew: What?

John: We changed the name.

Andrew: What do you call it?

John: Yeah.

Eric: It's

John: It is Leaky News,

Andrew: Oh, right. I thought you were talking about the network got changed. But anyway... [coughs]

John: Noooo. [laughs]

Andrew: He was born March 01, 1980. He's a pureblood...

John: Ohhh.

Andrew: ...with five brothers and one sister, blue eyes, and green hair? Oh no, red hair.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And in the book he's described as a tall, red-hair, and gangly...gangling...gangling...

Ben: Gangling...with freckles, big hands and feet, and a long nose.

Andrew: What on Earth? [laughs] I'm sorry, but that's kind of raunch.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: His Patronus is a Jack Russell Terrier. His Boggart is a spider.

John: "Boe-gart."

Ben: And in the future...whatever it is. And in the future he wants to pursue a career as an Auror.

Time stamping The Series

Eric: I wanted to start off this week, since it's Ron, and since I'm back, and I'm happy to be back and all that crap. I mean, all that stuff. I wanted to start off by saying I noticed...

Ben: Steal the show?

Eric: ...when you were going to the Lexicon stuff, you said Ron's birthday was the first of March, 1980. Now, I for one, don't agree or never really have agreed with labeling dates.

Ben: Put a timestamp on the series?

Eric: Putting a timestamp on the series. Right. This whole 1980 thing, and I realize, you know, the main reason is the 500 years since Nick died, and you know, 1492, and that kind of stuff, but I really don't think there is substantial evidence. And I think in the first few books, there had been people who had proved that she was purposefully trying to make the series unplottable. So, do you guys agree with this whole timestamp thing: from 1955 to 1970, the Marauders went to school, and...

Andrew: Yeah, it makes it feel old.

Ben: I don't like it.

Eric: Yeah, I really don't like it either.

Ben: Personally, I think it takes away from the timelessness of the series.

Andrew: Right. That was so Ď99.

Eric: Not only that...

Ben: Yeah, whenever, whenever you read it, you want to make it feel like itís happening right now. Not that, "Oh yeah, this was 1983," this is happening.

[Eric laughs]

John: I donít think Joís too up into that.

[Andrew starts singing "I Want To Party Like It's 1999"]

Eric: Yeah, Jo hasnĎt really, like she hasnít come out said...she hasn't confirmed it. I mean, has she?

John: I think sheís on the fence because she doesnít really give recent dates, but then she puts in stuff like, "Yeah, you know, Dudley got a PlayStation for Christmas."

Eric: Well, right.

Laura: Yeah.

John: Thatís going to be irrelevant in twenty years, ten years even.

Eric: Well thatís...

John: Playstation what? PlayStation 5? It doesnít say.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But isnít there a timeline on one of the Harry Potter DVDs?

John: Yeah.

Eric: I think so.

John: Thereís going to be one on the new one too.

Eric: But itís a question about...

Andrew: Yeah, so, whatís going on there? Who proved all that? Thatís always been a big question, hasnít it?

Eric: Yeah, I think itís a matter of...

John: I think they can for the third one or the second one, that Jo helped them out with that thing. The timeline.

Eric: I think JK is starting to give in.

Andrew: I guess, just basically what weíre trying to say is that even if Jo confirms it, we still see it as a little strange to date the book. Because thatís basically what it is.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And thatís like saying, you know...

Andrew: I agree with Ben that it throws you off. You donít, it doesnít feelÖwell it doesnít completely ruin it, but you donít get that current feeling.

Ben: Itís not as timeless, yeah. You donít when Iím reading the books, I want to feel like itís happening right now, that Iím with Harry, that type of thing. Where, when Harryís fifteen... For example when the last couple books have came out, I was the same age as Harry.

Laura: Mhm, same.

Ben: I donít know, it just felt like...

John: Awww.

Ben: I want to think that itís happening right now, rather then "Oh yeah, this was 'X' number of years ago."

Laura: Oh yeah, I completely agree with that. I mean itís that whole feeling of growing up with the series and being the same age as Harry when you read the books. Iíve never really thought too much about the timeline on it. Iím pretty indifferent to it because when I read the books, itís about reading the books. I donít really care what timeframe itís happening in.

Eric: And I think with...

John: Yeah.

Ben: Because since the books are still being released, I think that takes away from...that adds to the timelessness of it too because right now, since we donĎt know what's happened even though theoretically in the series, it may be in the past, we still feel that itís still in the future for us. If you get what Iím saying. If you catch my drift.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, and you canít say that JKR didnít use current events to influence what she writes.

John: Yeah. So like, your timeline and all this stuff has actually already happened years ago, that sort of thing.

Andrew: Yep. So back to Ron.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That was very impromptu. That wasnít on the schedule, Eric!

Eric: Oh, Iím sorry.

Andrew: Youíre killing me.

Eric: Sorry.

Andrew: Prove the world wrong. We do plan our shows out, we do!

John: Itís actually brilliant.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: Okay, guys, something everyoneís dying to know.

Andrew: Yeah, right.

John: Itís even color-coded. With little clip arts.

Ben: Hey Andrew, Andrew, stop taking away from the show.

Eric: Color-coded black and white.

Would Harry Have Befriended Draco?

Ben: What do you guys think? Did Ron prevent Harry from going to the dark side by becoming friends with him instead of Harry becoming friends with Draco? Basically, if Harry had not have met, yeah, if Harry wouldn't have met Ron...

Micah: No.

Ben: ...on the train, do you think things would be a different story?

Eric: No.

John: No.

Laura: Nope.

Eric: Micah?

Micah: What?

Andrew: Well, he...

Laura: Well, obviously he wouldnít have Ron, but he wouldnít have gone to the dark side.

Ben: Doesnít Harry find strength in his friends, though?

Andrew: And Harry was...

Laura: Yeah, to a degree but...

Andrew: Harry didn't know... Oh, how do you put this?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Harry wasnít sure...[laughs] Okay, if he had become friends with Draco, he would have, he would have...Was it possible for him to get into Slytherin?

Micah: Sure.

Andrew: Okay, so it would have been a completely different ballgame.

Laura: Not necessarily. No, no, because it's been...a theme that has been presented throughout the all books is that our choices define who we are.

Eric: But you know what, Laura...actually...

Laura: Harry didn't like Draco, from the moment he met him in Madam Malkins...

Eric: Wait, that's true but... Wait! Laura, Laura, Laura...

Laura: Harry chose not to be put in Slytherin. I don't think Harry would allow himself to go over to the dark side.

Eric: Wait, if it weren't for Ron, he wouldn't actually know that all the dark wizards were in Slytherin. He might not actually be opposed to Slytherin because he wouldn't have found out beforehand, before the sorting ceremony, that Slytherin was bad.

John: Hmmm.

Laura: That doesn't mean he'd be a dark wizard though.

Eric: No I mean, I agree completely and wholeheartedly that he'd be good guy no matter what. But as far as being put in Slytherin because, he might have actually been because if you think about it... I'm just trying to bring more validity to this question because we've already talked about how, you know, Harry's...

John: Well, this question is also saying's putting it in the context of Ron becoming friends with Harry at the beginning, but I think also we have to remember and at least I hope this actually happened in the book and not just in the movie, [laughs] I haven't read the first book in a while. Draco making fun of Ron at the beginning.

Eric: Yeah.

John: And just Draco demonstrating the kind of personality he is.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

John: And I think that initial introduction to Draco like that there...I mean, I know they met at Diagon Alley, or wherever the hell they were trying on clothes, but I think that that's also one the purposes for the character of Dudley is to parallel these two people in Harry's mind and that Draco reminded him of Dudley immediately made it clear to Harry this is not someone he wanted to be friends with.

Eric: Oh, and you know what?

John: I think, regardless of whether or not he met Ron he would have known that he wouldn't like Draco and...

Eric: And that...that was a...

John: While he could have ended up in Slytherin, that really...

Eric: Yeah.

John: I don't think that would have guaranteed any other choices.

Eric: I like that parallel, MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: Mhm. Yeah, me too.

Micah: Yeah, I completely agree with that. The way he was brought up, I think that he never would befriended Draco to begin with.

Eric: Yeah, he got hand me down clothes just like Rupert did...I mean...sorry...Ron.

John: Exactly.

Eric: Yeah, growing up with Dudley and stuff. So, that was very nice, MuggleNet Greg!

[Andrew laughs]

John: Yeah, MuggleNet Greg is good for one of those every once and a while. Now, I'll mute for 30 minutes until I think of something else.

Eric: Don't go mute! Don't go mute.


Ben: [Laughs] What about Ron's Quidditch skills? He kind of guided the team in Book 5 to the the House the Quidditch House Cup...whatever you want to call it. The Quidditch Cup I guess. [Laughs] What do you guys think about his Quidditch skills?

Eric: I think it was very cool how Ron was characterized as being the kind of person who, if he lets his emotions get in the way of his Quidditch playing, you know, he can't do it...he can't do a thing...and he lets himself get defeated by his own, you know, confidence. But, if he has confidence, he can do anything. I really like...I think that fit with Ron in, you know, the rest of the world, not just Quidditch.

Ben: Anyone else have anything to say?

Laura: Yeah, you pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. So...

John: I think the lessons he's learning from that about confidence when he's playing Quidditch is probably going to help him if there is any kind of war scenario in this last book where he's going to be doing fighting and stuff.

Andrew: Now, when he looked into the Mirror of Erised, was he Captain of the Quidditch team or was he on it?

Eric: That's the question...

Ben: He was Captain.

Laura: Yeah, he was Captain and he was Head boy and all this other stuff.

Eric: But all this stuff, he know that's coming true or something, isn't it?

Andrew: What's coming true?

Eric: Isn't it starting to come...a lot of what he saw in the mirror?

Laura: Well, sort of. He got on the Quidditch team and he became a prefect.

Eric: He's Head he's not Head boy...he's a prefect.

John: And didn't, wasn't Hermione in the mirror too, with her hands in his pocket, I thought?

Andrew: [Laughs] What?

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: [Laughs] No.

[Everyone is still laughing]

Eric: MuggleNet Greg! That's dirty!

John: [Laughs] I thought...

Andrew: Report him.

Ben: John doesn't know that he comes from PotterCast.

Andrew: PotterCast!

Ben: Actually, I'm going to call up iTunes. Call up Jobs and make sure he removes your "Clean" rating from your Podcast.

John: Hey, you know the day they stick us with an "Explicit" tag, is the day our ratings triple.

Eric: That's true.

John: "PotterCast: Unrated."

Andrew: Well, I think he's already...

Harry's Stupid Little Friend

Ben: Yeah. [laughs] What do you guys think about Ron always being overshadowed by Harry? Everyone's always viewed him as "Harry's stupid little friend." He's never really made a name for himself, if you guys understand what I'm saying. Do you think Ron will be able to step out from under Harry's shadow?

John: That's...

Ben: Because we've seen the jealousy towards Harry because, Harry got to be a Triwizard Champion and all of those things.

Laura: I think Ron's matured beyond that, though.

Eric: Yeah, I think they do view him as a separate person, though. I mean, they realize he's Harry Potter's friend and that's all cool. But, I think, in the later years there are more and more moments where he gains more respect, you know, separately as far know in the fifth book and all those Quidditch triumphs and "Weasley is Our King" and stuff. Those are things that happened to him without Harry.

Laura: Well, Lavender is a perfect example of the fact that people are starting to see him as his own person.

Eric: I really like that, that's...yeah. So, even though it may have seemed like that at first, the older they grow together, they know more and more about their fellow Gryffindors, you know? They know them more as individual people. The thing about what's going on with Voldemort is that many things happen to each individual's family that it really separates them apart. So, you know, when Mr. Weasley got attacked, you know, everybody could see that happened to Ron, and even though, Harry had a lot to do with it. I think that they were separate. Like, Seamus and his mom...basically all the Gryffindors are individually characterized more and more throughout the books. Some people are their own individual people, just generally.

Laura: Uh-huh.

John: Yeah. Well the only real worry about looking at Ron as Harry's "stupid little friend" is what happened to the characterization of Ron in the movies. That's where you want to see Harry's little stupid little friend.

Eric: Yeah.

John: ...and watch, you know, number three.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: But, Laura's right, he's sort of matured out of that, and I think it shows by him becoming a part of the Quidditch team that he's becoming...

John: Oh yeah, totally.

Andrew: ...his own person and building his own reputation.

John: In the books, that's never supposed to be. I mean, that may be his poor self-image of himself, but he's supposed to have a lot of positive traits in the books.

Eric: Yeah.

John: They just missed those chapters when they were writing the script.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: [Imitates Ron in a high pitched voice] "My wand, look at my wand!"

John: ...up late reading, yeah...

Andrew: Steve Kloves was lazy...oops! Skipped six chapters.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Yeah, that was Columbus...all, like at the press conference, "Yeah, we were going to do the Death Day Party, question, please."

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Steve was like, what? When did that happen? What? You didn't see Steve Jobs sneaking out the other side of the limo, you know, during that interview?

Andrew: How does Steve Jobs always make his way into our conversations?

Eric: Not Steve Jobs, I meant Steve Kloves, sorry. I'm sorry, Steve Kloves. Kloves.

John: [Laughs] You have a crush on Steve "Jobes"!

Ben: "Jobes"?

Eric: I don't even know what he looks like, actually. I've never even seen a picture of him.

Ron and Hermione

Ben: Well, guys, speaking of romance, what about Ron in Book 6? He's sort of started to lay the mack down on Hermione.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I think he's desperate at this point...he's desperate at this point.

Ben: Do you think they are a match or not?

Eric: I don't think Ron is boyfriend material in certain ways. He is for Hermione and I think that's why...I mean, I think if it's Hermione...

Laura: In five years, Eric! [laughs]

Eric: What?

Laura: No, as of right now, Ron... Okay, if I were Hermione, he would drive me up a tree. He would absolutely drive me insane. I would want to strangle him. And I think that Book 6 completely brought that across.

Eric: No, no, no, that's if you were Laura.

Laura: No!

Eric: If you were Hermione...

[John laughs]

Eric: No, Hermione loves him, she's...

Laura: I'm sure she does, but she also set off a flock of birds after him. [laughs] I mean, he clearly ticked her off.

Eric: Well he...she has feelings for him and I think if you were Hermione, you would have the same feelings, but if you were Laura, you'd strangle him, and, you know, rightfully so. But, you know...

Laura: I would strangle him regardless, because he's an idiot sometimes.

John: Are you a man-hater, Laura?

Laura: No!

Eric: You're a Ron-hater!

Laura: If I were a man-hater, how could I do this show every week? Come on. [laughs]

Eric: You do hate us! You threaten us...

John: That's a very good point.

Andrew: [laughs] Good point.

Eric: ...Andrew has to edit out the death threats. I helped him edit one day and counted all the death threats we get.

Laura: That's right. Mhm.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

John: Oh, Laura.

Eric: Yeah, people...

Andrew: Let's pause now for editing.

John: To tease Laura.

Andrew: We're back!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: That's great.

Ben: Awww, geez. Okay.

Eric: Micah, Micah, what do you think about Ron and his...

John: What are we talking about?

Eric: What do you think about Ron and his...

Andrew: Uh, Micah dropped out. Micah dropped out.

Eric: Micah dropped out?

John: What?

Andrew: Micah dropped out and then he went offline. I don't...he's...I guess his internet is sucking. His modem fried and then now he's on wireless, so I think he has a problem.

[Andrew and John laugh]

Eric: So, let's talk about this a little bit more. Ron: boyfriend material? MuggleNet Greg, what do you think?

John: Let's think here. MuggleNet Greg thinks that Ron had to go through the trial that was Lavender before he can have a relationship with Hermione.

Laura: Yeah. Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah, I agree.

John: I forget where I discussed this with, and who it was, but I think after Ron's bouts of jealousy with Hermione and Krum, I guess he probably had to figure out what exactly it was that he wanted...

Eric: You know, that's...

John: ...if he wanted a girlfriend. Why did he want a girlfriend? Did he want it just so he had somebody to make out with in the common room in front of everybody?

Ben: Of course. Social acceptance.

John: Or, for the other good things, you know?

Eric: You know what? That happened to everybody.

Ben: Dude, hang on a sec, there are other things?

John: [laughs] Well, one day, Ben, you'll meet that right, lucky girl.

[Everyone laughs]

John: Who you will have a connection with.

Andrew: Ben, now, this is called a...

Ben: What?

Andrew: No, but I think Lavender was sort of like a test monkey...

Eric: Test monkey.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: No, she was prepping the oven, man, prepping the oven.

Laura: It's really sad to say, but she was. [laughs]

Ben: Oh, it's just terrible to say. It just breaks my heart to say it. It's really sad.

Andrew: Shut up. Ben, you're so negative.

[Ben laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I think...

Andrew: Um... [pauses]

Eric: Yeah, continue. No, no, Andrew, please.

Andrew: Go ahead, Eric. Go ahead, Eric.

Eric: No, Andrew. Really.

Andrew: No, no, okay, fine.

Eric: No, Andrew. Go.

Andrew: Okay, if you insist.

Eric: Alright. Andrew, everybody!

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, so I think Lavender was just basically a test dummy for Ron. His first [laughs] relationship couldn't have been with Hermione. I don't think it would have worked.

Eric: Well, she would have to...

John: It certainly wouldn't have been...

Andrew: Natural?

John: It certainly wouldn't have been the same kind of "make out with you in front of your little sister" kind of junk, like with Lavender. You would have never had that with Hermione. I think by the time he was done with Lavender, he figured out...

Laura: No!

John: ...that's not really the kind of girl I like.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, Greg.

John: Yeah.

Laura: No, because Hermione expects more out of him. She expects him to be more mature and she expects a more mature relationship out of him. No one can go into that when they are sixteen.

John: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah, and also, if you think about it, they've been friends for such a long time. I think it would be awkward at this point to have a relationship.

Eric: Well, at a previous point. I think it really brought out...See the thing with relationships, I think, in the books is that all of fact, now that we're mentioning this, all of them really taught the characters, like everybody, each one of the trio had a somewhat bad or different first relationship that didn't last. Like, you know, Ron's with Lavender taught him that he should, you know that snogging wasn't everything. Hermione's with Krum taught her that, maybe she doesn't need to look for a star Quidditch player, you know? And maybe she doesn't need to look for the sports guy who really isn't particularly loquacious, or whatever the term was, you know? So, each one of their first relationships kind of taught them something about their future relationships and stuff.

John: I think that's absolutely not the reason why she started being interested in Krum. I mean...

Ben: I completely agree. I think it's that Krum...

John: ...the Krum relationship was's this strange new guy's this strange guy that's, you know, paying attention to Hermione and she's like, "What's this all about? Some dude's paying attention to me and he's an older guy?"

Ben: Yeah, he's the first guy that actually give her the time of day.

Laura: Yeah.

John: Yeah. Nothing to do with him being a sports star or anything. She's not impressed by that stuff.

Eric: Well no, I thought that was her...

Ben: So, in other words, Eric, Eric, get off my show.

Laura: Well, she made it pretty clear in the book, you know, basically Krum noticed that she was a girl and Ron didn't.

John: Yeah. Krum knew what was there. Did you see his face in that movie? She comes down the stairs and you see that little wink, that little nod of the head.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Well, I just thought...

John: He's like "Yeah, boy!"

Ben: Oh yeah.

Eric: Book 4 was all about Hermione actually being more of a girl than she was before too, you know, with Krum and things. I don't know. You're right.

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