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News: Harry Potter Wins Two MTV Movie Awards

Micah: Well, that's a great segue to MTV.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: [singing] "I want my MTV."

Micah: So, the MTV Movie Awards took place over the weekend, and not surprisingly Potter did not so well. [laughs] So, they did walk away with...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Hang on! Hang on here because I thought that Potter - I thought we discussed this, and we thought it had a chance...

[Selina laughs]

Eric: ...and the two categories that it actually won in...

Micah: Well, no, because the category - one of the categories didn't even exist when we did our last show. [laughs] So...

Eric: Oh, geez. Okay.

Andrew: It was interesting that the movie awards - The Hunger Games actually ended up doing the best with four awards. Harry Potter won two.

Selina: It's not really that interesting.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: Or it's not really surprising, is it? [laughs]

Eric: Well, it's freshest on everyone's mind, right?

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: I think the good thing here is that the Potter fan sites all reminded people, "Go out, vote, make your vote count," because ultimately it was down to the users. This awards show, we could affect change. So, Hunger Games is freshest on everyone's mind, I think.

Selina: Mhm.

Eric: Out of the nominees, it was probably the most recent film.

Micah: Yup. That's a good point.

Andrew: So why didn't it win 'Best Hero'? Harry Potter won 'Best Hero' by a landslide.

Eric: People don't like Peeta, I guess. I don't really know.

Andrew: No, no, Katniss was the nominee in 'Best Hero'.

Eric: Katniss is a girl, dude. Sorry, she's not the best hero.

Selina: Well, I think because Harry as a character...

Eric: As a character?

Selina: ...probably has a lot more cred than the Potter films. Does that make sense?

Eric: Katniss is awesome, but I can see where...

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: If you're talking about a category of 'Best Hero' and you're talking about Harry Potter who's just been around longer, I think that's probably why. Also, maybe it was just people frustrated because Harry didn't win anything at the Academy Awards.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Still, though, you're talking about Harry Potter's last or second to last - I think the Saturn Awards are later this month, but pretty much his last big chance at winning an award. I'm glad that he won 'Best Hero' but maybe that had something to do with it.

Micah: Yeah, so the other award that it picked up was 'Best Cast' and it beat out The Hunger Games there as well, but...

Andrew: Emma...

Micah: Go ahead.

Andrew: And Emma Watson was there and she accepted the award, and...

Eric: I'm glad they had somebody there.

Selina: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Well, she was actually there for Perks of Being a Wallflower.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: And that trailer premiered, which actually - by the way, very, very, very good trailer.

Eric: Oh, I haven't - I read it a long time ago and I haven't seen the trailer yet, so I've got to look at that.

Andrew: Yeah, great book.

Micah: Now, just out of curiosity, how do you pronounce Voldemort's name - the actor who plays him?

Andrew: Oh!

Selina: Ralph? [pronounced "Rafe"]

Andrew: Yeah.

Selina: Is it Ralph Fiennes?

Andrew: She...

Micah: I thought it was Ralph Fiennes, right?

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Ralph Fiennes.

Andrew: Yeah, me too. But then Emma said "Ralph", right?

Selina: Oh.

Micah: Yeah. [laughs] So...

Eric: Wow.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It must be her - she spent some months filming in America. I think that's her American showing.

Andrew: It could be. Yeah, that's funny, Micah. I thought the same exact thing when I heard her say it.

Eric: [laughs] Ralph.

Andrew: But her acceptance speech for 'Best Cast' was really good because she even thanked Dobby and another creature, Hedwig.

Eric: Oh, wow.

Andrew: And that was like "Aww."

Selina: Aww, Hedwig. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, she was like, "There's Harry, Dan, there's Ron, there's Rupert, and there's Dobby and there's Hedwig."

Eric: [laughs] Oh, Hedwig. I wonder how much - if Hedwig was real at any point?

Andrew: But that's it now, right? Are there any other awards show that could possibly recognize Harry Potter?

Eric: Yeah, I think the Saturn Awards.

Andrew: It's been a year now.

Eric: Yeah, I'm going to look it up. I'm pretty sure the Saturn Awards, I'm looking that up now. But 'Best Cast' - this...

Selina: I'm still pissed about that 'Best Kiss' one. [laughs]

Eric: This one we did talk about - nope, Saturn happened in February. Jupiter Awards? [laughs] No, I'm just throwing awards...

Selina: Pluto Awards? [laughs]

Andrew: How about the Pluto? Thank goodness, I can't take this pressure anymore.

Eric: Yeah. We talked about 'Best Cast', though. We did think that that was the film that was nominated...

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: ...that had the best chance, because you're not going to beat all of those British actors that came out, the entire cast. Not even for Deathly Hallows - Part 2, but yes for Deathly Hallows - Part 2, just throughout the years. Hunger Games, great movie and good cast, but it just doesn't hold a candle to Harry Potter when you're talking about the whole group.

Selina: Mhm. Yeah.

Micah: I mean, obviously when they say "cast" they mean the entire cast, but they only mentioned a few. I think sort of the main younger actors, but really I thought it could have been more impactful had they included some of the adult actors in that category as well.

Eric: The interesting thing is that when you're voting for these awards, your interpretation of what that category means is different from - an awards show can only list maybe three or four people because they have to read under each award, because they have to read those on the air, who this means. But if you're talking about 'Best Cast' that means everybody, and I think everybody who voted accordingly, they didn't - or otherwise it would have just said 'Best Main Character' which is another category, right? So...

Micah: But you know what bothered me? And it probably shouldn't because this is just the MTV Movie Awards. [laughs]

Eric: Whoa.

Micah: Is that you saw The Hunger Games win a lot, but then it got to 'Movie of the Year' and it was the Twilight film.

Andrew: Breaking Dawn: Part 1.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Don't act like you don't know the title.

[Eric laughs]

Selina: That movie with vampires. [laughs]

Micah: I've never seen the movies and I've never read the books.

Eric: You know what? I thought that movie - sidetrack, I thought that movie was actually pretty good.

Andrew: Well, we know who voted. You, clearly.

Micah: Over and over and over again.

Selina: I just...

Andrew: That was odd. That was odd because Harry Potter and Twilight...

Micah: No, but you see what I'm saying from a continuity standpoint.

Andrew: Right.

Selina: I just think it was odd.

Micah: You would have expected The Hunger Games to win.

Selina: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: Right. That would have made perfect sense.

Selina: Because they are sort of the strongest fanbase at the moment. But I suppose in a way - could it make sense that maybe The Hunger Games and Harry Potter fans sort of split the vote? I know that all three kind of overlap, but...

Eric: Yeah, I think maybe the Breaking Dawn people thought - the Breaking Dawn troop, Twilight troop...

Selina: Right.

Eric: ...thought that they had the best chance under that one award, because you're talking about 'Best Hero' - sorry, Bella Swan doesn't really cut it, and some of the other cast. Just in terms of all the other awards, I think maybe they all saw and united under one award. Not like I saw tweets about it saying, "Oh, only vote for - get Breaking Dawn in there," but you're right. But I think maybe they just all realized that that was kind of - their way to make their mark was for 'Best Film'. I guess it is interesting.

Micah: One of the big things this year...

Andrew: Well, it was truly the Harry Potter/Twilight/Hunger Games awards because every single award that they presented on stage either went to Harry Potter, Twilight or The Hunger Games.

Eric: That is funny.

Selina: This is the only year where all three major franchises would...

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: Yes. That's why it was so exciting, and yet it wasn't exciting at all.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: What I was going to ask, though, is I thought that there was a lot of news about the fact that Twilight hadn't been nominated in a lot of the categories that it usually was. In fact, their nominations were cut down, so their chance of winning actually wasn't as high as it has been in years past.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: Hmm.

Andrew: Yeah, because they've been winning non-stop for the past few years, so...

Micah: Yeah, might as well not even host the awards.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Just give them out to Twilight every single year.

Andrew: But you know what? Truth be told, Harry Potter won all the awards because that Gibson Amphitheater is being torn down and Hogwarts is going to be sitting on top of it.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: So take that, Twilight! Take that, Hunger Games!

Selina: Wow.

Eric: The last laugh goes to Harry.

Selina: I love that.

Andrew: Harry Potter has pwned them.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Cedric is just sold out.

Eric: [laughs] I just pwned them? He's pwned them.

Andrew: I just wish there was a commercial at the end that said, "Coming to this exact location..."

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: " three years: freaking Hogwarts!"

Selina: [laughs] They'd have a graphic of - yeah, all of the people in the audience being crushed by a massive Hogwarts falling...

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: All those...

Andrew: The Twilight cast gets bulldozed over because...

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: ...they're starting to clear the amphitheater for the park. [laughs] "I'm sorry, we started an hour too early! Thought the show was over!"

Selina: [laughs] Oh no, this is so inappropriate.

Andrew: It was the last - was it 'Best Movie'? That was the last award, they could have done that.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Andrew: A bulldozer could have came in and knocked them over, and they could have started laying down some Hogwarts bricks.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Micah: Yeah, I mean, all those guys' and girls' acting careers are over anyway, after being in Twilight, so...

Andrew and Eric: Oh!

Andrew: Come on.

Eric: Oh man.

Selina: Aww.

Andrew: That's below the belt.

Eric: [laughs] Oh.

Micah: It's a joke, come on.

Andrew: Maybe they could work at the theme park.

Micah: [laughs] Exactly!

Eric: I'd suggest we move on but I'm not entirely done laughing yet.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Says the person who liked Breaking Dawn.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: Cedric could work in the theme park. He knows all about Harry Potter.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: No? Enough.

Announcement: Ascendio 2012 & LeakyCon 2012

Andrew: Okay, well that's it for the news this week. We don't have a new theme park to look forward to this summer, but we do have LeakyCon and Ascendio, two Harry Potter conferences happening this summer. First up is Ascendio, happening in Orlando. That will be taking place July...

Eric: 12th...

Micah: 12th.

Eric: ...through the 15th.

Andrew: 12th to the 15th.

Eric: Yup!

Andrew: [laughs] At the Portofino Bay Hotel, that's on the Universal property. They're going to be having a private party in the park. That is an extra ticket, just FYI, but when you go to register on, you can learn all about all the extras that you can buy. And MuggleCast will be there. No word yet on what day and time exactly what's happening, but...

Eric: Oh, we've got to have a talk about that. [laughs] We can - hmm, excuse me. Yeah, to be announced. We'll discuss that.

Andrew: And then a month later...

Eric: Woot!

Selina: Yay!

Andrew: ...almost exactly a month later, is LeakyCon 2012, taking place August 9th until the 12th in Chicago, and we will also be there.

Eric: This, ladies and gents, listeners, boys and girls of all ages - MuggleCast is going to be celebrating our seventh birthday...

Selina: Wow!

Eric: ...during LeakyCon week.

Selina: The magic number.

Eric: This is - I cannot say - yes, seven. Isn't seven the most magically powerful number?

Selina: [laughs] Something about that, yeah.

Eric: Yes. Yes, it is. So, anyway, just throwing that out there. We don't know what we're doing yet, but it'll be cool.

Andrew: Maybe we should get stickers printed up, like "Celebrating seven years" or something.

[Selina laughs]

Eric: The number seven? What would be really cool is if we could get all seven original hosts to go out. So pick up Laura, Jamie...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...Ben - what's Ben doing? Kevin Steck, bring him back. And get all of us there.

Andrew: You could probably talk Kevin into going. I feel like he would...

Eric: I could probably - I'll give him a call.

Andrew: He's doing well, he could come out. So yeah, so that is August 9th to the 12th. You go to for information about LeakyCon, you go to for information about Ascendio. And we'll see you at one or the other, or maybe both.

Eric: Ooh.

Listener Tweets: Future Release of Harry Potter Encyclopedia

Andrew: Or maybe both. Okay, so now we have a Twitter question of the week. We asked to those who follow us on Twitter, - we said:

"With all that has been said and announced by JKR recently, when do you predict an encyclopedia may be released?"

We've talked about all this conflicting info, and now there's Book of Spells with new info, so we want to know when you think it realistically will be out. YESENIAORTA...

Micah: [laughs] What?

Andrew: ...says:

"At least another two years until its release."

cassiesavini says:

"I thought it was all going on Pottermore and there wasn't going to be a book? If not, not until Pottermore is completely done."

Uh-oh, that could be years away. That could be four or five years, for all we know. dakotah109 said:

"Not very hopeful it will be anytime soon, unfortunately."

Catapiee says:

"I'm guessing not for a few years, based on her recent statement about it and that she is giving info for free on Pottermore. :("

TDADC said:

"Honestly, I don't see it happening anymore."

[laughs] That's a bold statement.

"My hype has gone down the drain. Guess digital world (Sony) is Jo's new fav. #bummer"

This user is also giving the middle finger in his profile picture, so he's naturally a very negative guy. Ceilidh Brennan said:

"Even though I'd love there to be one, I have a feeling we're never going to get a physical book, which is really disappointing."

Here's another surprising comment. Alissa_V says:

"I'm not convinced she'll ever write it, at least not in a traditional format with all extra material compiled in one book."

Eric, Micah, Selina, everybody thinks - a lot of people think this is the end.

Eric and Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: No encyclopedia.

Eric: This is the end.

Selina: I'm kind of with them. Yeah.

Andrew: Really? Why, Selina, why?

Selina: Because I...

Andrew: Don't say it's so.

Selina: [laughs] Because I just - all this information that's being released...

Micah: What do you know?

Selina: [laughs] I have secrets.

Micah: What have you heard in that country of yours over there?

Selina: [laughs] All of this information that's being released online, and through games and what have you, I just think the more information is released in other ways, the less likely it is that we're ever going to get an official handwritten - not handwritten, [laughs] that would be too much, but an official written...

[Andrew laughs]

Selina: ...encyclopedia by J.K. Rowling where she gathers all this and she took all this stuff that she's already published everywhere else. Because the great thing about the encyclopedia was supposed to be that she - we got all this new information about all the characters, all the backstory, but if that's already been released, that's not going to be - I don't know. But then again, she will be doing it for charity - I don't know. Andrew, you can convince me otherwise, because I want to believe. [laughs]

Andrew: I think she's said so much at this point about an encyclopedia happening, it has to happen.

Eric: Yeah, possibly.

Selina: Okay, that's a fair argument. [laughs]

Andrew: I mean, there's no way she started working on it and then what, she changed her mind?

Selina: Yeah.

Andrew: She started working on it - let's say a few months ago, even though it may have been a year or two ago for all we know.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Even though - in that message on her site, she said, "I have started work on this now," implying that it just got started. So what, she just started working on it and then changed her mind? No way.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No way.

Eric: Well, it did sound like that though. That's what I thought. I was like, "Maybe it's not going as smoothly as she hoped. Oh well, there goes that idea."

Andrew: Well, it hit a bump in the road when Sony came knocking and said, [in a snobby voice] "Uhhh, don't tease the encyclopedia, we need to tease Book of Spells and Pottermore."

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: Maybe.

Eric: That could be it.

Selina: That could be it.

Andrew: [in a snobby voice] "You're taking attention away from our deal with you."

Eric: That's how Sony sounds to you?

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: The voice of Sony.

[Eric and Selina laugh]

Selina: Sony. But, yeah, no...

Eric: I love your voices.

Selina: I think that because she has been doing all this stuff with Casual Vacancy and whatever else she's writing, I'm sure this is just a way for her to say, "Okay, well, it might not be in the next two years. It might be in five, even ten years." But...

Eric: Speaking of, guys, where is The Casual Vacancy book cover? Come on! How many pages is it going to be?

Selina: [laughs] It's just going to be Jo's face.

Eric: Where are the...

Andrew: Oh, I love sitting in anticipation.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: She can take her time with that.

Eric: Really?

Andrew: I'm looking - well, yeah, but I would bet - I'll guess next month.

Selina: You know what? I think...

Eric: Really? With a - September 27th, is it? 29th release date? When will the cover have to be completed for that? Not to change the subject, but...

Micah: Ask Little, Brown, I don't know.

Eric: Okay.

[Micah laughs]

Selina: I think it's going to be something like a door, or something like that on the cover. I don't know.

Andrew: Yeah, it's going to be boring.

Selina: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It's not going to be interesting.

Selina: That's the thing with The Casual Vacancy, is that I don't know if she intentionally chose the most boring title imaginable, but it's just - [laughs] I wish it had a more exciting name, I don't know.

Eric: Is J.K. Rowling trying to be boring? As if, as if she could.

Selina: I don't know! [laughs]

Andrew: No, but I really think - there's not going to be anything to the cover, it's not like we're going to be able to analyze it much.

Selina: Mhm.

Andrew: We don't know the characters, we don't know anything about it. We're not going to be able to be like, "Oh wait, is that Harry in the background? Is that Sirius in the background?"

Selina: Or maybe we will. [laughs]

Eric: Well, our track record is not that great either, because [laughs] remember when we analyzed Book 7 and they were in, like, a colosseum and it was...

Andrew: Hey, we got some things right over the years!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Give us credit.

Eric: It did look like a colosseum, I'm just going to say that. But...

Andrew: Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I'm excited for the cover, don't get me wrong. I just think we're not going to be able to - and it will be very exciting to see it, [laughs] there just won't be much to discuss. Because also remember, it's an adult book and traditionally, I think those have pretty simple covers.

Eric: Yeah, usually focusing on one object, like a typewriter with blood on it.

Andrew: Right. Or even look at The Hunger Games. I mean, those have just a simple...

Eric: It's the mockingjay.

Andrew: I mean, they're representative of a lot.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Right, but it is simple. Of course we'll analyze it no matter what.

Selina: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Selina: I was going to say that. [laughs]

Andrew: It could be a trash can and we'll pick it apart.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: This is where the encyclopedia went!

Micah: But was there much anticipation for the original Hunger Games? Didn't it kind of take off on its own? I feel like there's a lot more anticipation because J.K. Rowling is a known author, and having written Harry Potter, then anything on the cover is going to be analyzed and...

Andrew: Definitely, definitely. And that's why I think there's going to be midnight release parties for the book because people want to recapture that spirit.

Eric: That's what I do want to organize, or see organized. I want to get that e-mail - I almost said from Borders. I do want an e-mail from Borders, I'm still waiting for another one - but Barnes and Noble, saying, "Hey, come party with us, we're going to do some Casual Vacancy stuff." I mean, it's never too soon to...

Andrew: I'm going to one!

Eric: I'm going to plan my - you're going? So is that set up? You already...

Andrew: No, no, but of course I'll go to one.

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: I don't care where it is. I'll find one and I'll go. I don't want to out somebody, but somebody prominent in the Harry Potter fandom said that they are not - they don't want a midnight release party.

Eric: Oh, wow.

Selina: But why?

Andrew: I thought, "You are nuts!" I - but yeah, midnight party, count me in. I'll make my own midnight party if people aren't - if bookstores don't have them. [laughs] I'll sell my own. I'll buy a crate of Casual Vacancies and I'll [unintelligible] to my apartment.

Eric: [laughs] I was going to say, Walmart will be the only bookstore still open at midnight if everybody doesn't decide to do them.

Andrew: Yeah. Or you know what? This is what anybody could do at home: Have an e-book midnight release party. Everybody come over with their pajamas and their e-reader...

Eric: Oh no!

Selina: Oh my God, that's just sad.

Andrew: ...and at the same time...

Eric: A slumber - wait, do e-books...

Andrew: Everybody hit refresh at the same time and get their purchase at midnight.

Eric: Does that work? Do e-books become available at midnight?

Andrew: Yeah!

Eric: Crazy.

Andrew: Yeah. Just like with iTunes when an album is released.

Eric: Oh, yeah? Midnight. I've never bought - I've never waited for an album on iTunes, that's why I don't know. But okay.

Andrew: Well, there you go. Yeah, I think it'll happen. And the advantage there is, actually, that if you're on the West Coast, you can get it at 9 PM.

Eric: Ooh.

Andrew: So you get it a little early.

Eric: Yeah.

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