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Hello everyone, and welcome to MuggleCast. I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: And that's it - four people this week! This is the core group of MuggleCasters. We're not messing around! No Ben. Well Ben, I fired Ben for last week's show.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Kevin's off getting fitted for some wedding thing.

Eric: Oooh. His own wedding?

Micah: Kevin's getting married?

Laura: Yeah, Kevin's getting married everyone.

Andrew: Yes, Kevin is getting married. That's exactly what I was implying.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Before we go anywhere else, first: let's get updated on the past week's top Harry Potter news stories with Micah Tan.


Micah: Thanks, Andrew.

It was a busy week in the Harry Potter movie world. A number of casting announcements were made for the fifth film, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

Evanna Lynch, the 14-year-old from Ireland, who attended the open casting call for the role three weeks ago, beat out 15,000 other Luna Lovegood hopefuls to become everyone's favorite Ravenclaw.

And it was speculated about for months, but earlier this week WB confirmed that Imelda Staunton will play the role of the newest Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, Professor Dolores Umbridge.

Natalia Tena, who has starred in the BBC drama Casualty and acted in movies such as About a Boy will play the part of Nymphadora Tonks.

Additionally, Helen McCrory has been cast for the role of Bellatrix Lestrange and George Harris will play Ministry Auror Kingsley Shacklebolt.

Kathryn Hunter will take on the part of the neighborly, cat-loving Squib, Arabella Figg. Hey, that rhymed.

Finally, Michael Wildman has been cast as Magorian, one of the Centaurs from the Forbidden Forest, and Robbie Jarvis will play the part of a young James Potter, ensuring that the flashback scene from "Snape's Worst Memory" will indeed be in the fifth film.

Filming for Order of the Phoenix begins February 6th.

The fourth Harry Potter movie has received one Oscar nomination in the category of "Achievement in Art Direction," for Stuart Craig (art director) and Stephenie McMillan's (set decorator) work on the blockbuster. The winners for the 78th annual Academy Awards will be announced on March 5th.

As a celebration of children's literature - new and old - the Queen of England will host a party for her 80th birthday in Buckingham Palace Garden on June 25th. Children aged 4-14 can apply through CBBC's website for an invitation. There are 1,000 invitations available allowing each child to take a friend and parent or guardian. JK Rowling will be one of many famous children's authors attending.

The Harry Potter author has also released a list of the Top 10 books she thinks all children should read. You can check that list, which includes titles such as To Kill A Mockingbird and Catcher in the Rye and over on

That's all the news for this February 5th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah.

Micah: No problem.

Andrew: Micah, how is the MuggleCast NewsCenter doing anyway?

Micah: It's good, it's good. It actually, eh...geez. [laughs]

Andrew: Wah, wah, wah, wah!

Eric: Just keep that in, just keep that in. Seriously.

Micah: That was a miserable failure right there. [laughs]

Eric: [Imitating Micah] "It's good, eh..." As Micah realizes it's just...

Andrew: If you were going to... No, if...

Micah: Hold on, I've got to think of something. Let's do that again.

Andrew: No, this is live-to-tape.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: If you were going to say something like, [in dorky voice] "Oh, I got to dust it," I was going to be like, "Okay, you used that joke three years ago." [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But anyway, let's start off with a few announcements, then we'll get into the discussion of news.


Andrew: We've got tons of stuff for you this week. First of all, come on, it's a new month, and of course, as all of you know, it's time to vote for us again at Podcast Alley. It's the one time of month that we ask. We appreciate it. Why do we ask you to vote for us? We've never been No. 1. We've always been losers. [laughs]

Eric: We're actually going to try...

Laura: Because no one listens to us to the show anyway.

Eric: Yeah. Wow.

Andrew: [laughs] As we briefly mentioned last week, MuggleCast T-shirts are now available on You listen to us every week, but now here is your chance to wear us.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: These shirts, we have two different styles: Micbolt and "Squares," which is looking a lot like the Apple design. It's really cool. We all got our T-shirts. We all love them, right?

Laura: Oh yeah.

Micah: Yep. I'm actually wearing mine right now.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, same here.

Laura: I wore mine all around my town last weekend.

Eric: Nice.

Andrew: Did you?

Laura: Yes, I did.

Andrew: Were you spotted?

Laura: No, I wasn't spotted, but I did have a couple of people ask me what it was. And...

Eric: She was "squared," Andrew.

Andrew: By buying these shirts, you do support the show, which we appreciate greatly because we need a little extra cash to upgrade some of our equipment, as you heard last week. [laughs] I suffered a bit. We even had some problems just before we just recorded this. So, we thank you for your support and thanks to Sam and Nate at, who helped us design these shirts and get the made up for you guys. So, check them out - And then you click on "Store."

You know, we're always thinking about the show. We're always considering what to add next. And we have a new idea for an "Editorial Segment," where we're not sure of the name, we're not sure exactly what we would go into every week, but we want to cover a specific editorial on the MuggleNet Editorial Section of the website. So, if you have any editorial ideas that really stand out to you, send them into mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. And then put in the subject line "Editorial Segment" with your favorite ones. We're going to...we're thinking of interviewing the people who wrote them, go in-depth with them, ask them about their theories because...

Micah: Provide direct links too, I would say, to the actual editorial.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, to make to it easier for us. Because those articles are really, really excellent!

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: They're just well-written. They cover...they're just great! So, we want to use the ones that you guys like the best. So, please send them in. Thanks for that. Now, Laura.

Laura: Yes, thank you Andrew. For the past few months, Elysa of MuggleNet Fan Fiction and myself have been working to starting a charity with the intention of raising awareness and funds for the humanitarian crisis in Sudan. The situation over there is... Frankly, it's sickening. Basically, there's genocide in Sudan - millions of refugees are being killed and starved. And the lack of awareness is making it harder to fix the problem. After the Holocaust we said, "Never again!" and it's absolutely necessary that we uphold that promise. If you'd like to help us out with that, you can visit I'll be posting that link over at the Fan Forums and see what we can do about putting it in the Show Notes?

Andrew: Yeah, absolutely.

Laura: All right. Awesome.

Andrew: You guys have created an excellent website.

Laura: Mhm. Thank you.

Andrew: Along with the help of lo and behold, MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: Mhm. Yeah.

Eric: The real MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: He designed the layout for us.

Andrew: Not the John Noe MuggleNet Greg, the real MuggleNet Greg.

Eric: The REAL MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: The REAL MuggleNet Greg.

Andrew: [Laughs] Yeah. And...

Laura: Greg was so good about it. He really has been instrumental in just making the site look great. So...

Andrew: And you guys have put a lot of thought into this site and I was looking through it.

Laura: Yes, it's been a long time in the making.

Andrew: Very good. Thank you, Laura.

And last but not least with the announcements, as we said earlier, we do want to apologize for last week's show. [laughs]

Laura: Really. [laughs]

Andrew: My computer had ran into a few problems. It just said to me last week, "Sorry, dude. I'm not helping you out." And then we were rushing to get it out because we always try and get it out Sunday nights, so you can have it for Monday morning. You know, get it before the week begins. So, we do apologize. And of course, our No. 1 consideration is making you guys get the show on time and with great quality, and [laughs] last week we failed. So...

Eric: Andrew, I think you should say it without laughing. I think it's more than quality issues as well. I think it's becoming content. And a lot of the complaints I read over in the Fan Forums were that it was less content and more inside jokes between us and John Noe and PotterCast and stuff like that.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: So, content.

Laura: I saw. [laughs]

Eric: I mean... Yeah. When you say that the content is bad and we're sorry because our equipment sucks, it's also our fault, and I'd like to apologize and I think everyone should.

Andrew: No! Oh no! I know it's our fault! Absolutely!

Eric: Because we just went off topic way too many times.

Micah: Right.

Laura: We did. And I saw a lot of people upset about Emerson's power-hour.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Well, listen guys...

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Let me give you a little secret. Ben is a little lenient on what goes in and what doesn't. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I noticed. I noticed.

Andrew: But no, really, we are dedicated to getting it out the best that it can be because in the end it is all about you guys. We're just the idiots who sit here and talk to each other about Harry Potter. Ah, so we do apologize. And from now on they will be top-notch quality.

Eric: We promise.

Andrew: Always and forever.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Oh god. Toujours pur! That's on my class ring, did you know that?

Andrew: No, actually I didn't. I was completely unaware. Thanks for getting us off topic after we just apologize.

Eric: You're welcome. Let's go...

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: No, let's go back to Peter Pettigrew - this week's topic.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

The Black Family Tree

Andrew: No, no. Well first, before we get to Peter Pettigrew, there was so much news that happened over the past week. Order of the Phoenix casting, mainly.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And then the Black Family Tree - the little card that JK "Rowling" is donating to Book Aid International for charity. First off, we'll start with the Black Family Tree. This reveals bits of new information.

Eric: I just depends how much we saw of it, really. We didn't see that much.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: No, we didn't. We only saw part of it. Most notably the Black family has relations to the Potter family and the Longbottom family.

Laura: The Weasley family too.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Wait, Potter? Wait, Potter?

Laura: I wasn't...

Andrew: Yes, Potter.

Eric: Potter?

Andrew and Micah: YES!

Andrew: Pot-ter!

Eric: I just stared at that for a half-an-hour and I didn't get the Potter, where was that?

Andrew: Arcturus is also in there, who is rumored to be the R.A.B. Now that Arcturus that we see on the Family Tree, he is deceased, but a relative, that would make sense, that would make perfect sense.

Micah: Right. For his middle name.

Andrew: Right. A couple... What I found interesting, was on this little portion of it, we see two, what Jo I assumed made out to be, two little black holes with missing names.

Laura: Yeah, where Mrs. Black blasted them off the Family Tree.

Andrew: I forgot about that.

Laura: Yeah, remember in the book? That would be Sirius and then I think Andromeda, Tonks' Mom.

Andrew: Ahhh, I'm sorry. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. They sounded to me like cigarette burns, that's what I kind of...

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: That's what they sort of look like, doesn't it?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So that's that. Should we be hoping to see this entire thing before it goes on sale?

Eric: It's the question. I think you'll get it after. I don't think we'll see it all before it goes on sale.

Andrew: I say that because they are having an open house...

Eric: Ahhh.

Andrew: ...with all the items that will be up for auction. Now, you pay ten pounds I think it is, you can walk in, take a picture of that, theoretically.

Eric: But, can you?

Andrew: If nobody catches you.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don't know. I don't know. [laughs]

Eric: I think it's a matter of...doing it...doing it...

Andrew: If someone can jot it down, it's completely...

Laura: Tell them... Tell them that you are an official photographer for MuggleCast.

Eric: Yeah. Uh-huh. No, they'd pay thousands of dollars for...

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Well, somehow I'll get my hands on it. I mean, I got the Dumbledore's toast. I got the Ford Anglia. So, it's only a matter of time before I get my hands on it.

Laura: Yeah!

Eric: Yeah, get... No, get... Yeah, you have contacts, Micah.

Andrew: What's sad is that you're not joking. That's the sad part. [laughs]

Micah: I know. I did spend a lot of money on that toast.

Laura: Yeah, how do you think we're all getting to Vegas in July?

Micah: Yep.

Eric: Yeah, it's Micah Tan.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: And his contacts.

Andrew: But seriously if somebody took a picture of this... Of course, we would love...

Micah: Siriusly?

Andrew: Yeah, no pun intended. If someone took a picture of this and sent this in to MuggleNet or even one of the other sites, this could seriously decrease the value of it because the hype won't be as big. You know what I'm saying?

Laura: Yeah, you just have a copy it saved to your desktop now.

Eric and Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: Who cares? Well, I mean it is the original thing. This is hand-written, correct?

Laura: I think so.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, and her signature is right there. So...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I think...

Laura: That's definitely something a die-hard fan would love to have, but at the same time I think the knowledge is equally as important to the fans.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: So, if they already have, you know, a jpeg of it, I don't anybody is going to be too fussed for it.

Eric: I highly doubt... I don't think they need to show the entire thing to sell it. In fact, it's best if they didn't. The real question is, the people who buy it - will they want to spend all that money on it and then share it with the world? Or would they want it to themselves? Whoever buys.

Andrew: I would think. I would probably...oooh, geez. What would you guys do? Would you keep it for yourselves?

Laura: I don't know. [laughs] I don't know because...

Eric: I'd wait until Book 7 and then give it out.

Laura: ...if I spent all that money on it, and then it was like everyone else could have it for free - I don't know. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It's just, kind of, I don't know.

Andrew: That's a good point. But then again you know THE original copy that Jo actually drew out, which is...

Laura: Yeah, that's true.

Eric: You know what?

Andrew: Priceless! I mean, except for at this auction. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: Then later on, you'll find 100,000 hand-draw, you know, family trees on eBay signed by JKR.

Andrew: So it is interesting. We look forward to seeing that being sold. The little book over 70-something words, I can't remember off the top of my head, do you guys? 70? 72 words?

Laura: Mmmm. Don't remember.

Andrew: It was in the seventies - 70 words. That never made it online, so I would think that they would tell whomever won, "Look, just don't post it online." So...

Eric: I don't think they can do that because it is the person's property then.

Laura: I guess we will find out.

Order Of The Phoenix Casting

Andrew: And then also the Order of the Phoenix casting. Of course there were several big announcements this week. Most notably we have our Luna. Imelda Staunton was confirmed, which we've talked about her in a previous show, but I would just like to say I think she's perfect for the role.

Laura: She looks great. She really does.

Micah: Yep. Especially if you look at her picture over on, what is it? Internet Movie Database?

Eric: Yeah, IMDb.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: That shot of her, looks exactly like Umbridge.

Eric: IMDb is my homepage.

Andrew: Yeah, IMDb is a great site. She just looks perfect for the part. I can't wait to see her in costume, and I just can't wait to see her acting. And the newbie, well, the young newbie, 14-year-old Evanna Lynch from Ireland, who actually attended the open casting call just like a billion other people and actually made it in. Which I had found interesting because even before the open casting call, correct me if I am wrong, but Warner Bros. had narrowed it down to five people. Correct? So, what happened? Any ideas? Was Evanna that good?

Laura: She might be. You know, maybe they had those five people narrowed down, you know, as the five best out of everyone they saw, but maybe none of them fit just what they were looking for. And that excites me.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It gets me pumped up because I think that this girl could, if she's really that good, then she can really do a spot-on job of playing Luna. I'm really excited about that.

Andrew: I just think it is interesting, but yeah, like Laura said, it is pretty exciting. And then of course, she's had background with the brush of fame. She was in the hospital for...I don't think it was mentioned.

Eric: I mean, put it this way. If you can already Google her, she's good fame material. She can handle it well.

Andrew: Yeah, by fame I meant that she had just, she had gotten Book 5 signed. She looks like a good Luna, yes?

Laura: Yeah, I think she looks pretty good.

Andrew: She matches the physical features, yes, we're going for? [laughs]

Micah: Yep.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: And then there were some other people that were cast, but there's not exactly much to say with anyone because we haven't seen or heard much from them. Of course they've all had some experience, but they are not huge movie stars. Yet again, not exactly big roles. So, you can't expect much.

Eric: But, you can, in a way. You can still expect...

Andrew: Explain, Eric. Elaborate.

Eric: There is an old adage and it is kind of actually annoying even to me. But it says, "There are no small roles..." [stutters] Sorry. "There are no small roles, just small actors." What this means basically, even if you only have one line as a character on stage or in a movie, you could make that simply the best line there is. And you put your heart into it, you think how would your character say this, and you establish yourself on screen. Even without words there have been characters that are, you know, bold. And from a cinematographic point of view, they stand out. And so I think even though Kingsley Shacklebolt might just show up at, you know, Privet Drive and just be standing next to Moody as he says, you know, "This is the different teacher than you've had before." Brendan Gleeson who has obviously been with Daniel Radcliffe, Kingsley might just stand there. But at the same time, you know who he is, we know who he is, and we can fun with that.

Andrew: And then of course on a smaller note (it sort of got overshadowed by the wonders of Luna Lovegood and Umbridge and the like), that Robbie Jarvis is going to be playing young James Potter. Which tells us that yes, Snapeís bad memory would indeed be in the movie. Which is exciting because I like seeing the stuff from the past. We havenít seen as much in the past. We havenít seen many past, you know what I mean, like seen...

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, we really havenít.

Andrew: Because this, weíre going to be seeing a younger Snape then, right?

Eric: Weíll be seeing younger...

Laura: Yeah, that means weíll be seeing younger Marauders, younger Lily...

Andrew: Everything, yeah.

Eric: A younger everybody which is... I think they really need to capitalize on this because theyíve cut all the past stuff out of Movie 3, and the only past thing weíve had is the Chamber of Secrets, you know? The thing with Tom Riddle and Hagrid, and that really didnít happen.

Andrew: Goblet of Fire too...

Laura: Well thatís not true, in Goblet of Fire, you had the court and everything.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Oh, right.

Andrew: But those didnít give us great looks it was just...

Laura: No, was it just me or when you saw that, they didnít really make everyone look younger?

Andrew: No, no, they never try and they didnít try this time.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: Yeah, I meant as far as life at Hogwarts by the way, when going back into the past.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah so, that will be interesting.

Eric: Also, I wanted to mention with Robbie Jarvis cast, there were a few people that were suggesting since Harry and James look so much alike, why didnít they just get Dan Radcliffe to portray James?

Andrew: Yeah, good idea.

Laura: I donít think they look that alike though. I mean...

Eric: No, I donít think they do either. And thatís what I wanted to point out too, I donít think, itís better they cast someone different entirely because first of all, I doubt they could make him up to look any different and I think it would just be weird.

Andrew: Well...

Eric: It would be more weird than...

Andrew: It would probably look weird, but if they were on a budget or something, it might not have been a bad idea. You could easily, come on, you got the make-up and stuff. They took a nose off of Ralph Fiennes, they can do anything. So...

Eric: Well true, true, but look at, sorry, Richard Harris in Chamber of Secrets when they made him look younger or whatever. He looked completely different. That actually just disproves my point, but I mean he looked really different there.

Laura: I donít know, for some reason I canít see Dan doing the cocky thing very well.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: I don't know. Iím not insulting his acting skills, but I think he does a really good job portraying the role heís in and I donít know, maybe itís just because Iíve seen him in four movies being so noble that I canít actually see him picking on someone.

Eric: Yeah, I also think Harry - sorry - Danís Harry portrays more the Lily side of Harry than the James side of Harry.

Laura: Yes. Yes, I think it does.

Eric: I think in movies. And I think that would probably create a problem if he were to do James.


Andrew: Now, moving on to our main discussion of the week, as promised, [says in Remus Lupin voice] "Peter Pettigrew." What movie?

Eric: Petti-grew-oo.

Laura: Remus Lupin.

Andrew: Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Laura: Yay!

Eric: Wait, what? You cut out, sorry, what?

Andrew: Ah, you lost, thatís the point.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Letís just inform everyone of some few basic facts. He is an unregistered Animagus who can turn into a rat. He is short, balding, and plump. [laughs] Peter sacrificed his right hand to renew Voldemortís body and he bears a silver hand in replacement from his master, which of course is Lord Voldemort. Ummm, nothing is official but he is considered at least half-blood since he was accepted as a Death Eater. And all of that information is provided to us by, no, not the HP-Lexicon, but MuggleNetís very own Encyclopedia. [laughs] You know, weíve been checking...

Laura: We actually use our own Encyclopedia.

Eric: Wow.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I was checking the Lexicon this week and then I realized: wait a second, we have all of this on our own website. [laughs] So...

[Everyone laughs]

The Rat And His Master

Andrew: Ah, thatís funny. So, we have a variety of questions to cover. Number one, most importantly, what drew him to Lord Voldemort?

Laura: Lord Voldemortís power, I think, because we know Pettigrew will definitely side up with the biggest bully on the playground and it seemed at the time that Voldemort definitely had the upper hand. And then of course, his downfall to Harry, he went and hid for twelve years.

Micah: But do you think Pettigrew went right after Voldemort, or do you think Voldemort kind of sought out Pettigrew? Because I know itís hard...

Laura: I think Pettigrew went for Voldemort.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Pettigrew had to go for Voldemort.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Thatís the whole point of making Pettigrew Secret-Keeper, was that Voldemort wouldnít seek him out. So, I think Voldemort, or the majority of it had to be Pettigrew going to Voldemort saying, "I have this big secret for you." And even though Pettigrew blames Voldemort and says he has ways or persuasion, Voldemort wouldnít have just gone out on the street, picked a few people, you know, who were on the good side and said, "Iím going to make you my servants," because he would have picked all the purebloods and stuff. So, yeah.

Micah: But he was a close friend of James. Why wouldnít Voldemort want to try...

Eric: Well, thatís what made him so good.

Micah: out and convince those people surrounding the Potters to sort of turn against them.

Eric: Well no, he would, but at the same time would he just go out again? He was their most pitiful friend. Would he just say, "Letís go all the..." I think he would try and convert Sirius or Remus first if he was just looking for friends of the Potters.

Laura: They said that Pettigrew had been passing information to Voldemort a year before they died, so he probably went to Voldemort ages before he became Secret-Keeper and Voldemort probably said, "You need to become Secret-Keeper. You need to do something to convince them that you should do it," and it worked.

Eric: Well, it was suggested as a joke actually, according to Sirius.

Laura: A joke?

Eric: Yeah, he said he suggested Peter as a joke almost.

Laura: Oh, really?

Eric: Yep. Because who...

Laura: Oh I donít remember that.

Eric: Who would possibly suspect...yeah.

Andrew: Now as Micah said, they were close, Pettigrew was close friends with James, but I just... Is that an excuse for why Pettigrew went to Voldemort?

Laura: No! None of itís an excuse for what he did.

Andrew: I know...

Eric: No, there is no excuse for what he did.

Andrew: But why? What made him? I mean, because he grew up in a life - he was surrounded by, he grew up with James and Sirius. He spent a lot of time with them at Hogwarts, correct?

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So I just donít understand why. Why? Why, Peter?

Laura: Because he wants to saddle up to anyone who has power.

Eric: But at the same time... I donít know. I think, they definitely characterized him in Prisoner of Azkaban they said, you know, they actually said it to his face, they called him the person who would shackle up to anybody who had power and, you know, leech off them. But at the same time, there had to have been a point where Peter was then saying, you know, "My side no longer has the power." Except I donít know when that would have been, but for him to go to Voldemort - I mean, if youíre going to be with anybody whoís anybody from the good side, you should be with the Potters. And thatís who he was. So even though Peter was actually on the best of the good side, he just still chose to go over to the bad.

Micah: But even thought he was a part of that group, do you guys think he was picked on a little bit? Like he wasnít the star of the group.

Andrew: I'm sure he was.

Laura: Oh, yeah of course.

Micah: So maybe that was part of it, too. Maybe part of it was, "Look how powerful I can be by going over to Lord Voldemortís side and look what I will be able to do."

Laura: Itís entirely possible.

Eric: I think that's...

Laura: And itís just as immature as Snape taking things out on Harry for what his father did, you know? Iíve always found it extremely immature that you have people who will take things that you did when you were 14, 15 years old and hold them against you when youíre an adult. Itís like, everyone makes mistakes.

Eric: Well, at the same time, James never seemed to be one to apologize. His cockiness may have subsided, but I donít think Pettigrew ever got an apology or anything that he was due because nobody, including, you know, Sirius and Remus, felt that he was due one.

Laura: No, probably not.

Eric: So I think that Pettigrewís turning is a slap in the face, and is a "Hey, you donít appreciate me, maybe Voldemort will more," which we know is not true, but I think thatís probably what it was.

Laura: Iím sure that there was some of that in there. Definitely. Along with the fact that he probably felt that as someone, you know, working so close with the Potters and Dumbledore, he was at high risk to be killed. And he probably figured, "If I give this information to Voldemort, then Iím on their side and they wonít hurt me," which is very untrue.

Eric: I like that. He valued his own life, which was good.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: ...and not the life of the Marauders as a whole.


Andrew: Now, why did Dumbledore let him become Secret-Keeper? I mean, in a way, you think, "Okay well, itís because heís always hanging around them," but, around James, but could that be the full reason why?

Eric: Is it in my memory that, uhhh, maybe, it just in my head that maybe Dumbledore thought that it might have been Pettigrew that was sneaking information to the Potters and he still let them make him Secret-Keeper anyway?

Laura: I donít think he had anyone specific in mind. I know Dumbledore offered to be the Potters' Secret-Keeper.

Eric: Yeah, I know that, too, but see what happened was, ummm...

Laura: I think they knew that one of their friends was betraying them.

Eric: Yeah, and so I think, even though Dumbledore has always been characterized as, you know, valuing choice and all this other stuff. Even though he sat by as they made Peter the Secret-Keeper, I think he probably should have objected to it.

Laura: What could he do though? Because, I mean, the Potters were adults. He couldnít tell them what to do.

Eric: Iím just saying, I really, honestly donít know why it wasnít Dumbledore anyway because that would have been the absolute...

Laura: Because if it was Dumbledore, then the Potters wouldnít have been murdered and there would be no Harry Potter. There would be no Harry Potter series. [laughs]

Eric: Well, thatís a good thing. No, thatís a good thing. Not for the content-wise, but...

Laura: Thereíd be no MuggleNet and there would be no MuggleCast.

Andrew: How is it good, Eric?

Eric: Because James and Lily would be alive and there still would be a Harry, just not the Harry we know, so...

Laura: And there would be no story. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, but Dumbledore should have been the Secret-Keeper if the Potters wanted to survive, thatís all Iím saying.

Laura: Yeah, of course!

Eric: Well, okay, so we understand each other.

Micah: Didnít they talk about Sirius being it, too? But they thought that was too obvious.

Laura: Yeah, they wanted to use Sirius originally.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: But I think it was actually Sirius who suggested Pettigrew.

Eric: Yeah, it was.

Laura: Because he, he basically said in Prisoner of Azkaban, "I as good as killed them."

Eric: Yeah, because he joked, which is what I said. He joked about choosing Peter and then lo and behold Peter was the upper hand...or had the upper hand.

Pettigrew In Slytherin

Andrew: Why wasnít he in Slyth... [stutters and then laughs] Slytherin, because of the way he was so self-protective?

Laura: I think itís proof that not all bad wizards are in Slytherin because of course, in Sorcererís Stone, itís either Hagrid or Ron, I canít remember, who told Harry that.

Eric: No, itís both.

Laura: Itís both?

Eric: Yeah, because...

Laura: But I think thatís more of a stereotype type thing. I mean, obviously you have a lot of dark wizards that come from Slytherin, but I really donít think that you necessarily have to be in Slytherin to be a bad wizard.

Micah: Yeah, and what he did, he did display bravery even if it wasnít bravery in the good sense.

Eric: Yeah. Which is...

Laura: And I wouldnít call him a dark wizard anyway. [laughs]

Eric: No. [laughs]

Micah: No. [laughs]

Eric: Micah is entirely correct.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And also, if you think about it, even the Hufflepuffs are characterized as being bad people. You know, when they seclude themselves from Harry with Justin Finch-Fletchley thing in Chamber of Secrets...

Laura: Yeah, they were being loyal.

Eric: Everybody has...they were being snooty and...and, you know, royal pains in the butts to Harry and you know, they werenít being nice people, nice, accepting, generous people, which shows that there arenít many in any house. There arení know? Not everybody is.

Andrew: It's just several factors. I mean, being bad is a personality thing. Of course, thatís one of the factors. I think that goes into your sorting, but thereís other things too.

Eric: Maybe it was his choice. Maybe all the power was in Gryffindor so he was like, "Iím going to shackle up to Gryffindor. Make me Gryffindor."

Wormtail The Wizard

Andrew: what powers did he possess? What kind of magical ability?

Eric: Heís good at dealing with things - being a rat for 13, 14 years, you know? Actually, do you guys think... Hereís a good question, do you guys think that he ever revealed himself to Percy?

Andrew: No! No! If he had...

Eric: All those times living as him.

Andrew: The surprise would have been just big as it was with Ron. I donít see why he would. And Iím pretty sure, I remember reading that he did stay in secrecy that entire time.

Laura: Yeah, I donít think he would, really. Because as corrupt as Percy is, I donít think that heís going to be a Voldemort-supporter.

Eric: I agree with that. My problem was of course, well, the Prisoner of Azkaban movie, it all happened so fast when he came out of that, and he was so used to walking around like a human and stuff, it just seemed like he had done it before or something. But that was just probably due to how he acted it, you know, in the movie and how it was directed and everything like that.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Because he was...a lot of people complained too, when talking about Timothy Spall as Peter, they say that he did it too mousy, you know...too not human enough and it was almost silly watching this overgrown rat-type thing. But, I just felt that..

Laura: But in the book, thatís how it described him though. That he, that even as a human he seemed rat-like.

Eric: He was rather done well in Goblet of Fire, I felt, so it was just a matter of what we saw in the movie.

Andrew: I...I would agree.

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