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Andrew [Plays PotterCast Intro (Dumbledore saying: Welcome, Welcome to another...)]: ...MuggleCast - Episode 34 for April 08th, 2006! [Show Intro with music in background] See why is the No. 1 domain registrar world-wide. Now with your domain name registration, you'll get hosting, a free blog, complete e-mail and much more. Plus, as a MuggleCast listener enter the code "RON"; that's R-O-N when you check out and get your dot com domain name for just $6.95 per year. Get your piece of the Internet today at

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Hello everyone and welcome back to the show! I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Jamie: And I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Andrew: Ben Schoen is off practicing for his ACTs. Kevin Steck is in class. And...who is the other one we're missing? Oh, Micah Tannenbaum is off getting a job at CBS Sports. He's actually... Don't tell ESPN or wherever he works right now, but he's getting a full-time job at CBS Sports, which is actually pretty impressive.

Eric: Actually guys, it's very little known - don't tell anybody here. Micah is replacing Katie Couric on The Today Show.

Andrew: Oh, that is great news! That is great timing! [laughs]

Laura: Thank god!

Eric: Yes, so we're saved! Everybody was saying what would Today be like without Katie Couric? And actually, well Micah, Micah's going to be on there.

Andrew: [laughing] Micah Tannenbaum and Matt Lauer.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Well...

Jamie: Yeah, but Andrew, Andrew?

Andrew: Yes?

Jamie: You've completely done it now. He's going to be fired tomorrow.

Andrew: Okay.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Jamie: It's like that scene out of Bruce Almighty. He's going to be chucked out of the doors and then the box of all his stuff is going to be thrown on top of him.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Poor Micah, I hope you can live with yourself.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Andrew: That's what he gets for telling me.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Before we go anywhere else, first let's check in over at NBC Studios, now apparently, with Micah Tannenbaum for the past week top Harry Potter news stories.

Micah: All right. Thanks, Andrew.


Bloomsbury, the publisher of the UK editions of the Potter books, posted profits of $34.8 million for 2005. Sales of the sixth book, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, boosted profits 24% for the company. Thank you for listening to Bloomberg Financial News.

In movie news, David Thewlis, who portrays Remus Lupin in the Harry Potter movies, recently discussed filming of the fifth film, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. He was quoted in Thursday's edition of the Belfast Telegraph as:

"I'm really glad I'm going to see everybody again, and it'll be weird to see the kids grown up. I'm not sure how they're going to make the other films, it would be a shame not to have the same actors, but Rupert [Grint, playing ginger Ron] is going to be married with kids or something by the end."

You know, way to keep people's hopes up Dave.

Be sure to head over to as Dan has posted his most recent newsletter where he discusses filming Order of the Phoenix, working with David Yates and Imelda Staunton.

And recently, Evanna Lynch's father sat down with MuggleNet to discuss how she's doing with filming, her meeting J.K. Rowling and describes the interesting process Evanna went through to get the part of Luna Lovegood.

It is official! Warner Bros. announced that the Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix movie will hit theaters on July 13, 2007! Oooo, Friday the 13th.

J.K. Rowling has been extremely busy on her website. She updated Diary Section of her official site. In it she tells the story of how she spent 45 minutes looking for normal writing paper in Edinburgh. Can somebody please build a Kinko's or a Staples out there so that Book 7 isn't delayed because J.K. Rowling couldn't find writing paper. Or better yet, Kinko's or Staples, send tons of normal writing paper to J.K. Rowling. She also mentioned that the final book is "going well."

Recently, she visited Leavesden Studios and caught up with some of the Order of the Phoenix cast - most of whom she says have outgrown her since she last saw them! And as mentioned earlier Jo me with Evanna Lynch for roughly an hour and described her in one word: perfect."

Additionally, Jo mentioned our LeakyMug April Fool's prank in her Rumors Section. She also wrote a fascinating article about today's weight-obsessed world, which can be found in the Extras Section.

Finally, you can now view your WOMBAT results! Simply click on the student identification card found on Jo's desk, then enter your ID number, and a certificate revealing your results will appear. It seems as if more tests will be coming in the future.

Basically, visit every section on That was the point of that part of the News. I don't even know why I just plugged her site considering she only gave me an "Acceptable" on the WOMBAT.

That's all the news for this April 08th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah Tan.


Andrew: Now moving on to a few announcements.

Jamie: Oh yes, I've been waiting for these all year.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: What's wrong? What's wrong? We're making them quick now that you're on.

Jamie: Hey, Andrew, before you start the announcements, I've got one. I was just wondering if everyone could buy a T-shirt, a MuggleCast T-shirt. I know we haven't mentioned it before, EVER!

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Jamie: I mean we certainly haven't said it for like ten minutes in every single show since we've started, but...

Eric: No, I think you are absolutely right in including it in this show. I think it's about time to raise awareness, you know, for these MuggleCast T-shirts.

Jamie: I agree. I agree completely. Yeah.

Andrew: I think both of you have had your headsets muted over the past few weeks because we do promote...

Jamie: Oh really? Have we?

Andrew: ...the MuggleCast T-shirts. [laughs]

Jamie: Really?

Andrew: Yes!

Jamie: It must be so short. It must be so short we can't remember it.

Andrew: Everyone buy your own MuggleCast T-shirt today - they help support the show. You all think you look cool in your Abercrombie and Fitch and your Fitch, not Fish, and your Aeropostale, but seriously how about a nice 100% cotton, black, MuggleCast T-shirt?

Eric: So it shrinks when you soak it.

Andrew: It will even shrink.

Eric: Because it's 100% cotton.

Andrew: It will help you lose weight...if you're overweight.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] I'm not implying anything. So do not forget those. And, one reminder for Lumos 2006 - it is now time to RSVP as we mentioned last week. Send your reservations to hplive at gmail dot com. But don't forget this does not guarantee you a seat of any kind. This merely tells us that you are coming. We do have plans to broadcast the video outside of the recording area, so those who cannot get in can still watch it - not on national television or anything. So anyway, make sure you get those in. We need to know how many people are going because otherwise we're going to underestimate and there's going to be no room for anyone, so if you want to be comfortable...

Jamie: At all.

Andrew: You still won't. But if you want to be comfortable, make sure you send in your RSVP with you and how many people are coming with you. And please rate yourself on the Cool Factor 1-10 so I know whether or not I can hang out with you.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That is... That is... And please wear a little name tag with your cool factor number on it...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I know if I should approach you or not.

Eric: [imitating a fan] "Hi, Andrew..."

Andrew: "Cool kid..."

Jamie: And if you lie, we will know.

Andrew: "What's that, a #2? Sorry, I can't talk right now."

Eric: Yeah, even if I had a #10 on I don't think you'd hang out with me.

Jamie: Hey, Andrew?

Andrew: Eric, I love you.

Order Of The Phoenix Movie Release vs. Book 7 Release

Andrew: So anyway, moving on to some recent news here - late-breaking news as of the time of this recording. We record on Wednesdays and we have just found out that the Order of the Phoenix movie will indeed be released in Summer 2007, specifically July 13, 2007.

Eric: Which is bad.

Andrew: This is big news... No, it's good and it's bad. Good, because we will have plenty of time to update the site over the summer.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: I can't think of any reasons why it would be bad though.

Eric: Okay. Well, I do.

Jamie: Book 7.

Eric: Book 7.

Andrew: Oh, Book 7. That's right.

Eric: I think it might be unlikely they release Book 7 on 07/07/07 because right the next week [makes clicking noise] there will be Movie 7 [meaning Movie 5]. And I actually think it would be cool if they synchronized it - had one week this, one week that, but I think it might be unlikely.

Jamie: I agree.

Eric: Pretty unlikely.

Andrew: I don't see why it's unlikely. Okay, I see, "Oh why on earth would they put them so close together?" Why not? Why not?

Eric: I think it would... Apart from it making a giant - the last Harry Potter book and the fifth Harry Potter movie making a giant impact on the world and like Pottermania and Entertainment Weekly does three editions on it, you know?

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: I think they actually don't want that. In certain ways, I don't know, it just makes sense somehow to me that they might actually space it out a bit more. Just like when they record movies the same, like Matrix 2 and 3, they had them spaced out six or seven months apart even though they recorded at the same time. So, like Pirates of the Caribbean 2, the movie. When they do movies and when they do things that they can release at the same time, they actually, generally prefer not to do it - to space it out a little bit to create a little bit hype here, a little bit of hype there.

Andrew: Well, that's a true point.

Eric: Well, and also...

Jamie: Eric, Eric?

Eric: Wait, hang on. If everybody is reading Book 7 and they release the movie the week after, that would hurt the movie, I think. Everybody... It would hurt either the movie or the book. Either people would be reading the book still or still discussing it and saying, "Oh wow! Oh my god!" or - and they'd be too busy doing that to go see the movie and that would hurt the box office, or they would go see the movie and have so much to talk about there and it would really take away from the awe factor of Book 7 and everything being closed as far as the books go. You know what I am saying? So, even if it isn't Warner Brothers wanting to pace things apart, I actually think it would be really bad if they were released together. It would just create... I think they should be at least a month apart.

Laura: Do you even think they would put them that far apart? I mean, I'm not sure I can be convinced they'd release them both within a month of each other.

Andrew: A month? You think it would be sooner?

Laura: No, I don't think it would be sooner. I think they would want to space it out more. I mean, I think even a month is too close.

Eric: Well, the question is then...

Laura: Just on general principal.

Eric: Well, hang on, guys. If they know and if they can actually finalize - I mean they've had to be talking to JKR, because if they can finalize the movie for July, you know, 12th or whatever, right after 07/07/07, obviously, considering all this stuff, it's pretty... I think it would be right in saying that JKR wants the book out not around then. Like maybe, do you guys think the book will be out before then, then? And you know, that's a tremendously good thing.

Jamie: No way, there's no way it's going to be out before the film.

Eric: But then, that's the problem because then if the book comes out after 07/07/07, they missed a pretty good date, you know, and...

Jamie: No, but the date isn't actually that important at all. You know, it's only worth it for the promotional value - putting it on posters and stuff like that. It doesn't actually very important at all.

Eric: Why make it the 12th, the week before? Come on, the week before is the 7th, what's wrong with them?

Jamie: No, because they can't obviously, you know, just like you've said, you can't release the book, then the film. But, it's like - but you were talking about the Matrix films - they just seem more planned than these films. So, they knew they were going to have three films; they knew that they were going to have them a certain amount, you know, between - a lot more just seems to happen in the Harry Potter world. So like, they, you know, you've got the books and the films and they've got to space them out to get the most value out of the franchise and just because people don't want everything crammed into one thing because they want it to last as long as they can.

Andrew: But when they're spacing out, they're talking about a few months.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: This is the timing for both of these - I'm trying to think if JK Rowling [pronounced incorrectly] had any...

Eric: [Correcting Andrew's pronunciation] Rowling.

Andrew: Okay, sorry. JK Rowling [pronounced correctly]. I'm starting to catch myself, now.

Eric: Rowling Alert.

Andrew: JK Rowling had any say in this. Because, if she did, then she either thinks that that's plenty of time before the book, or plenty of time after the book.

Jamie: Or, no, no. Or just that the book - there's no way the book will be done by then and that she'd rather get the hype over Order of the Phoenix done and then release the book. I mean, maybe they'll go for a winter release date for the book instead?

Eric: Why can't it be this winter then? I mean, she just updated on her blog...

Jamie: Because, she's got to write it, Andrew. She doesn't just pull it out her [beep] for god's sake.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: No, I don't want it to be this winter. But, I'm saying is I don't want it to be next winter, either. Next winter I think, I mean, she's writing all of this stuff, every, you know, every time she updates her site: "Book 7 is going great. Book 7 is going great."

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: And that's good, but that gave me more and more reason to suspect Summer 2007, but since we're seeing, you know, that it's not going to be that because they can't really, you know - this movie release date has actually ruined 07/07/07 for both of them, which I think is sad, but...

Jamie: It's just a date though, it's just like...

Eric: ...I know, but it would be a cool date. But the point I'm trying to make is that since the - now the book is either going to come out, you know, a few months before Summer 2007 or a few months after 2007 and I...

Laura: I don't think it's going to come out before the movie. [laughs] No way.

Eric: Okay I agree, but it's either going to come out three months before or three months after and I don't want either of them. I don't want...

Laura: You know, I frankly wouldn't care if we had to wait until Summer '08 for the book, because I want it to be good.

Andrew: Wait, for the book? Yeah, absolutely.

Eric: Summer '08? Well, yeah...

Andrew: But, I think JK Rowling [mispronounced] can put out a book with the same quality in...

Jamie: [Speaking slowly] Rowling.

Andrew: Rowling. [sings] Rolling, rolling...

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Rolling, rolling... How long was it between Book 4 and 5? I forget. It was like two, three years?

Laura: It was, like, three years.

Eric: Three years? Then, I think it would be possible for it come out in 2008. I wouldn't mind, you know? Because look at Book 5. Book 5 was completely massive and it didn't answer any questions, but a book that length could answer everything if she did it again.

Jamie: I love Book 5 though, I think it was awesome.

Laura: Yeah, I thought Book 5 was great.

Andrew: Hasn't JK Rowling said though she was aiming for 2007?

Jamie: I don't know, has she?

Laura: I don't know if she'd want to put a date on it like that.

Jamie: Yeah, I agree. Because, things could go wrong so easily and there's so much stuff that...

Andrew: What can go wrong?

Laura: Writer's block. [laughs]

Andrew: All right, all right. Writer's block. But, how many times has she told us, like Eric said earlier, that it's going well? She knows how this book is going to end. She says she's going to make it shorter than Book 5. All right, it's the last book; I understand that there's a lot to close up here.

Laura: Going well...

Andrew: ...I think she's on schedule for 2007.

Eric: Yeah, I...

Andrew: 2008, you have to think about that. She's already - she's in the process of writing this book and 2008, that's a long time.

Laura: You have to consider a good day of writing can be figuring out a plot point. A good day of writing can be getting two pages down.

Andrew: Well, of course...

Laura: I strongly urge you to go and try and write 15 pages of fiction in one day.

Andrew: All right.

Laura: It's hard.

Andrew: All right, I understand. I get that.

Eric: Well, she's not exactly making this stuff up. I mean, as much as she is, I don't know - it's just, I think I agree with - no, she's making it up, but she has a lot of what she needs to include. You know, it's not like you're making fiction up out of nothing, like she is, but at the same time it's not like saying, "Write a story about a magic talking bush."

Laura: Mhm. But things always crop up.

Eric: Oh, I understand that and I completely agree with the book problems, but I'm thinking what Andrew's saying is, you know, we've been led and I think, you know, 07/07/07, or anytime in Summer 2007 was what all of us were kind of in the mindset for and kind of, you know, we're pacing ourselves, we can wait that long and that would be fine. But, now that it's saying that it's not really going to be that date unless they do release the movie and book at the same time, which would hurt sales either way and hurt the experience. I just don't - I think seven - I think Summer was our best, like, hope. Like, I was really counting on that.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: Also, also, films must have, like a six-month gap either side to account for filming problems, so if they put a release date on the book of say, August 2007, and filming got put back a month, they'd be basically at the same time. So, I don't see how they can actually release the book in Summer 2007 without seriously causing problems if filming gets put back. Or, if the film's release date gets put back. So, I think it's going to be 2008.

Eric: Well, all of the Gary Oldman scenes and, I think, the Lupin scenes too are going to be filmed this summer. So what...

Andrew: A lot has already been filmed.

Eric: A lot has.

Andrew: A lot.

Jamie: Yeah, but so many things can, you know, can go wrong with filming.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: I understand that, but they jumped right into filming this movie practically right after Movie 4 and...

Eric: Just like they did with Movie 2.

Andrew: Yeah. Well no, you mean they jumped right into Movie 2?

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Well yeah, because, I mean, they said that the day after Movie 1 came out they were back at the studio talking about #2. Like, Steve Kloves said that one time.

Jamie: Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Andrew: And then, at the end of Movie 3, I'm pretty sure they took a break, right?

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: They did take a break, yeah.

Andrew: They took like a six-month, something...

Laura: I know they took a break after #2.

Andrew: All right, well, this could always go for some more discussion, but...

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Let's move on.


Andrew: Speaking of JK Rowling, WOMBATs were introduced to us over, when was it, this past Saturday? And it's kind of ironic because these reminded me of the SATs and I had just taken the SATs that morning.

Laura: Oh! [laughs]

Andrew: So, morning I took SATs and then, afternoon was my WOMBATs.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: And then, like...

Jamie: Tough day for you, Andrew. Tough day.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: [Still laughing] I know! WOMBATs took 25 minutes, SATs took four hours. [laughs] So, it was much easier.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: What do you guys think of these?

Jamie: I thought it was hard.

Andrew: It was hard.

Laura: It was hard.

Jamie: I thought, but yeah, it was really hard and some of the questions just seemed like, unless you knew them, it was just guess, and you know, it was just guessing.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: Like, the one about which department of the Ministry to contact in a certain situation.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I thought it was just common sense, unless you actually knew that you were supposed to contact a certain department. I don't think I've done very well on them.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So, speaking of nerds and really big dorks, Kevin Steck just came in. Welcome, Kevin Steck!

Kevin: Thank you. [laughs] Thank you very much, Andrew.

[Somebody says "Oooo" and everyone laughs]

Andrew: So Kevin, what do you think of the WOMBATs?

Kevin: They were interesting. I mean, I don't see what relevance they play to...

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: ..anything on the site.

Andrew: Honestly, you know what I think they are? JK Rowling...

Jamie: Filler.

Andrew: Exactly! JK Rowling clearly sees that she's in some desperate need of some content on...

Jamie: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Something fresh - I'm not - she has some awesome stuff on there, [laughs] but I'm saying, you know, to keep everyone entertained.

Kevin: To keep fresh and... Yeah

Andrew: It's a good idea, though. And of interest - it said WOMBATs Level One. So...

Kevin: Yeah, sorry about that.

Andrew: So does it make sense for Jo to put out a couple more of these between now and Book 7?

Jamie: Yeah, it's just a game though, I don't think it has any relevance.

Andrew: It just made me feel stupid.

Laura: I thought it was fine.

Jamie: It's just a nice game.

Andrew: It was kind of fun, it just made me feel like...

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: It just made me feel dumb.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: She likes making less of people. That's it.

Andrew: [Still laughing] Yeah, exactly. Here's - she wants us to make it. She wants to make us feel stupid so we start going around and re-reading the books again to re-learn all of this. That's it, there we go. [laughs]

Eric: Oh, but we've got the one-up on her.

Jamie: She sits there thinking, "You're thick, I'm clever. Ahhh."

Listener Rebuttal - Jim Dale vs. Stephen Fry

Andrew: Moving on to Listener Rebuttal, this week we've got a couple for you here. All right, so the first one from Pat Maslar. Oh, and a disclaimer here, if you don't think we're going to be able to pronounce your name, then please put a little pronunciation thing in there. Like, one of the Listener Rebuttal emails did.

Kevin: Or, expect us to slaughter it.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] This is Pat Maslar, from upstate New York. He writes, "Jim Dale is British" - Jamie, this one is directed towards you. "Jim Dale is British! He is THE voice of Harry Potter and all its characters to thousands of us. I have tried to hear Stephen Fry's British version for years, comparing reviews that both American and British listeners seem happy with their reader, Jim and Stephen respectively. I finally got my hands on Stephen's audios" - audio books he means - "and in my mind there is no comparison, Jim Dale rules and I wish every British listener could hear them. I may be starting an oceanwide battle here, but I would love to hear people's opinions if they have fairly heard both. I listened to one whole book and he is ruining it, so I can't listen to any more with Stephen (even though he is a great actor). Back to Jim!" Thoughts on this, Jamie, since you're British?

Jamie: Well, I beg to differ. I have to say that Stephen Fry is awesome. I really like the way he does things, but I like quite a bit of his work, so I could be biased.

Andrew: Have you listened to Jim?

Jamie: Ummm, but ummm I haven't.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Kevin: Oh, you haven't?

Andrew: You have no idea what you've heard.

[Jamie laughs]

Jamie: Actually, no. I'm sure I - I'm sure I have. I'm sure I have. I know I can't really say that Stephen Fry is better without, you know, hearing his voice, but I really do like him, but I'd love to hear a sound clip from the Jim Dale version. So, if somebody fancies sending one in; people write in and tell us what you think - if you've heard both of them, which one you liked better if you listened to both.

Andrew: Well, let's go around and give our opinions.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I have heard a little bit of Stephen Fry, but I - I really think that I like Jim Dale better. He just seems more emotional with it, and like... [Andrew sighs] I donít know. I just like the guy.

Kevin: I have heard both, and I actually have - I have both versions myself, but I'd have to go with Jim Dale.

Andrew: Any reason why you don't like Stephen?

Kevin: Uh, [sighs] I - I don't know. It's just a matter of preference, I think. It's not really one is better than the other. It's just technique.

Jamie: Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah.

Andrew: It is technique.

Kevin: Yeah.

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