MuggleCast EP34 Transcript (continued)

Listener Rebuttal - Grindelwald

Andrew: Emily from North Carolina, writes concerning Grindelwald. "In her interview with Melissa and Emerson, JK Rowling strongly implied that Grindelwald has importance to something in the plot. My thought is this, Voldemort said he had gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality. This suggests that he was not the first wizard to create a Horcrux, just the first to create seven. And Dumbledore seemed to know more about destroying Horcruxes than he told Harry directly. Although, we never did hear the story about his blackened hand..."

Jamie: Which we did.

Andrew: Yes, we did. "What if Grindelwald had created a Horcrux and Dumbledore had to learn at a time how to destroy one, in order to defeat him. Perhaps this is a memory that Dumbledore left for Harry in the Pensieve, and we'll learn more about in the seventh book." And from the interview with JK Rowling, we did learn that Grindelwald is indeed dead, and when Jo was asked, is it a coincidence that he died in 1945? She said "No," because, and I quote "It amuses me to make allusions to things that were happening in the Muggle world. So my feeling would be that while there is a global Muggle war going on, there is also a global wizarding war going on." And then Emerson asked Jo, does he have any connection to - And then Jo cut him off and said, "I have no comment to make on that subject."

Eric: And then she laughed.

Jamie: Can I tell you this?

Andrew: She laughs it off. Forget about it, guys. Don't even keep it in your head.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Because it's so funny.

Jamie: You can make complete comparisons between the wizarding world - stuff happens in the wizarding world, and World War II. It's like Hitler believed in ethnic cleansing, and people like Lucius Malfoy, you know, only believe that certain people should go to Hogwarts. Perhaps you can extend that to say that only certain people should live. I don't know. He's a nasty enough character for me to believe that, I don't know about everyone else. But perhaps he could say - I think it's clear that sort of ideological battles can be fought in the Muggle world and in the wizarding world, so I think Grindelwald could have some relation to Hitler, maybe. Or perhaps, he was on his kind of side. I completely went off on a tangent, and I'm really sorry.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: No, but it's interesting that she said that, because if that's the case, then was she really trying to make that connection in Book 6? Like we talked about last week.

Kevin: I think that she was trying to make a parallel. I don't think she was trying to make a connection. Well, not a physical connection between Voldemort and Hitler. She was just trying to make a parallel, to say that something similar was going on in this world...

Jamie: That could be it, yeah.

Kevin:, you know?

Jamie: That's very good. Yeah.

Eric: Dumbledore directly compared Voldemort to other dictators. He was like, you know they create their own enemies. Just like all dictators in the world do, and it was this giant bad Hitler thwap with like, giant stinky fish, with Hitler's name on it saying, "Just like dictators everywhere do." And, you know, it was really scary, that I thought she was strongly trying to - Mussolini, Stalin, all those. She was trying to make a really big connection, but what I didn't know about her establishing the dictator is that she actually kind of concluded that Voldemort was evil from the start. And, not really made as much as I thought maybe dictators might be. I don't know. Like I think it's interesting - like I like her take on dictators, but I don't know. I'm supposed to agree with it, but I don't know that I do as far as how they're made and how they do stuff. Like if they're evil to begin with.

Jamie: No. Yeah that's interesting. Yeah.

Listener Rebuttal - Green Light

Andrew: Next email: Lauren, 17 from Rockton Illinois. She writes, "I would like to respond to the comment about the Death Curse emitting a green light once cast. The color green can sometimes symbolize a longing for a safe home and family life. Voldemort obviously feels some unrest about his family situation, especially his Muggle father. Although Voldemort did not create the Death Curse, could JKR be using the color green as a parallel to Voldemort's deep emotional turmoil - a possible motive for his vicious killings? Also, Barty Crouch Jr. disguised as Mad-Eye Moody exhibited use of the Killing Curse in Goblet of Fire - he was also in an emotional rift with his father. Love the show, keep up the great work. Lauren."

Eric: She's [Laughs] - I appreciate this Lauren thing, what she's trying to do with Barty Crouch Jr., but I think it's a little bit different, than what Voldemort is doing. I think any unrest Voldemort would have on his father has been long outgone. And, you know, it fuels, of course, the hatred he faces everyday. But I really don't think the green light would be created specifically for Voldemort. However, I do like the connection she makes to the Death Curse, and the color green symbolizing a tormented soul or family unrest. And, that's the kind of feeling that it takes, as we know, to cast something like the Death Curse. So I think the green relates to unsatisfaction, you know, unrest. But not necessarily Voldemort's, because I don't think - I would not compare Voldemort to Barty Crouch Jr. because I'm not going to try and make Voldemort innocent.

Kevin: Now I haven't listened to Episode 33, but I always associate the green with venom. Like, you know, like poison.

Eric: Like Peter Parker's arch rival?

[Kevin laughs]

Kevin: You know. I don't know. I just always associate - sort of like death, you know? Like that connection, but maybe it's just me.

Eric: Uh - green means go, so go, get out of here, kid.

Laura: Yeah, that's what I thought. I don't really think that, like, the color of a spell, will change to relate to the person casting it.

Kevin: I always associated it with just the type of spell. You know? It was...

Eric: I think green also emphasizes...

Laura: Yeah, same

Eric: You know, green is Slytherin colors. Green is ewy. Green vegetables, you know, what the heck. It all comes down to the interpretation of green, and I think it's very clever that it could, you know, mean this unrest and things like that. But, I think more along the lines of that, would be in The Great Gatsby, the main character sees this light across the dock, and it's green, and it means, you know, home and hope or whatever it is. You know, I think that's more along the lines of that. But I think the green in this curse, as you say, thinks of venom and other evil stuff.

Listener Rebuttal - Nearly Headless Nick

Andrew: To wrap up the Listener Rebuttal - this actually wasn't sent in as an email from anyone. Well, it was sent in from a couple of people, but what happened last week is we had a couple of recording problems [coughs] Eric, and [Eric sighs] one thing that we did discuss was the reason why Nearly Headless Nick had indeed died. And we did get an explanation, but we had to cut it out because of some audio glitches. We apologize for the shorter show last week, but...

Eric: Cough Eric, cough Eric. How many times can we cough Eric?

Andrew: [laughs] At any rate - I only did once. What happened to Nearly Headless Nick, was actually revealed on JK [mispronounces] Rowling's website when she published some of her original - what did she say exactly? It was cut out from Sorcerer's Stone. The editors decided to get rid of it. And actually I said [mispronounces] Rowling again, didn't I? I apologize [laughs]. I will never...

Eric: That's okay, the editors decided to axe it, nearly, nearly, completely axe it.

Andrew: Well, they did. And that's, that's... It was nearly lost [Fake laugh]. Okay so...

Kevin: Oh, that was hilarious.

Andrew: Okay, so, so anyway...

Laura: Oh, you're so funny.

Andrew: So what happened? It's basically a poem, but no one wants to sing it and/or read it. So, basically, what the summary was that Nick was walking through a park, and he runs into a woman named Lady Grieve, and then for some reason Nick had thought that straighten Lady Grieve's teeth. So he attempted to, but I guess it was some sort of spell, but they turned into tusks, and... So then he says that he was put on the chopping block, and there was a delay in chopping his head off because the rock that they were using to sharpen the knife with or whatever it was too dull. So then the next morning they still used the blunt knife, and they had to hit Nick 45 times [laughs] until they eventually gave up, and as I quote, Nearly-Headless Nick says, and I quote, "They never saw fit to desert me" or, no, "The head never saw fit to desert him." So...

Eric: They used – the head never – yeah. That would kind of stink for the Lady Grieve getting, you know, getting tusks for teeth, but at least she has a place to hang her shoes.

Andrew: I really think that was one of the better little rhyme schemes that were in the books.

Kevin: Yeah but it was – it was somewhat...

Andrew: It just worked. It was humorous.

Kevin: It was good that they cut it because it was somewhat long, and irrelevant to the story. So...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: There is a lot of singing and rhyme and all this stuff, as I did mention that, you know, Gringotts, and the Hogwarts song, and the Sorting Hat - it's too much. It is.

Andrew: No, I think the Sorting Hat song has – I think the Sorting Hat song has value, because he talks about...

Eric: No, that has specific relevance.

Andrew: Yeah, but the Hogwarts song, cut that out. At least, at least Nick's song has a plot to it, or adds to the story – adds something, you know?

Kevin: I don't know.

Eric: Well...

Andrew: It answers a question, what does the Hogwart's song answer? They're all goofy, and they all sit there and sing a song, school song. Who sings school songs anymore? Seriously.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I know, really, it's not like [sings] Eulenburg, yay!

Andrew: I'm just getting angry now. [laughs] Does it matter? Ah, that's funny though.

Jamie: Actually, Andrew, I just had a thought. The Hogwarts song... The only thing I'm thinking about that they could show is that the Weasleys sang it to a funeral march, remember that, maybe?

Eric: Which was cool.

Jamie: No, no, no, it's cool, but a funeral march. Perhaps it's a foreshadowing something?

Andrew: Hmmm.

Jamie: Bad things happening to the Weasleys?

[Eric laughs]

Chapter-By-Chapter: Chapter 8, Sorcerer's Stone

Andrew: So that wraps up this week's listener rebuttals. Now moving on to chapter-by-chapter, Chapter 8 of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, "The Potions Master." We're only doing one chapter this week, because these shows have been getting a little too long, and we can't fit in all the stuff that we do want to talk about.

Chapter 8 - The Potions Master

Eric: This chapter is devoted to Snape. Or, at least, the name of it is devoted to Professor Snape, which we learn somewhat a bit about. In the previous chapter, we just learn that he was this guy who looked at Harry through Quirrell's turban, and his scar started hurting. So, anyway. The chapter starts in the morning. I believe it's the next day, or something like that. It's describing an overview of how life is at Hogwarts. I'm thinking the first thing is that it's telling you all about the structure of Hogwarts. Well, first of all, it talks a little bit about gossip. A little bit about, you know, how Harry Potter is getting some interest, and everybody is like, you know, he's finally at school, and now they're poking at his scar. Well, not poking it, but they're looking at it.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Eric: But then it goes into – then it goes into the life at Hogwarts. So, let me just – let me just quote this. "There are one hundred and forty-two staircases at Hogwarts. Wide sweeping ones, narrow rickety ones, some that led somewhere different on Friday, some with a vanishing step halfway up that you had to remember to jump. Then there were doors that wouldn't open unless you asked politely, or tickled them in exactly the right place." Kitchens, cough. "And doors that weren't really doors at all, but solid walls just pretending." Okay. One of the things I want to point out is that JK establishes so much in this one chapter that relates to future books. Including the tickling. Like, pictures that you had to tickle to get into places, and that's just – that we didn't even see that for another three years, but she mentioned it there.

Laura: Not to mention... Well, she talked about doors that would pretend – or, walls that would pretend to be doors, and that's a little bit of Room of Requirement foreshadowing, except it was really a door pretending to be a wall. But, you know, you get that in there.

Jamie: Go back to the title, which is "The Potions Master," so it's completely dedicated to Snape. So we have an entire chapter in the first book dedicated to Snape, and then the entire sixth book, is, you know, its title is completely dedicated to Snape. So, do you think there's going to be something in the seventh book that kind of shows that those two were foreshadowing us on something massive that's going to be revealed about Snape?

Eric: Doesn't Snape have a chapter in every book devoted to him, like "Snape's Grudge" and...

Jamie: Really?

Eric: ...things like that?

Jamie: Oh! Oh, oh, oh. Development

Eric: I mean, isn't there? I don't know, is there a Snape-prominent chapter?

Laura: It seems like there was.

Eric: There should be a Snape-prominent chapter in every book, that'd be interesting.

Kevin: Everyone's opening their books now.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: So in Book 5 it was at least "Snape's Grudge." In Book 6, it was like the whole thing.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: What about 3 and 4 and 2? 2, 3 and 4?

Kevin: Here, let me see.

Laura: I think "Snape's Grudge" was Book 3.

Eric: Oh, okay, so "Snape's Grudge" would be Book 3. Yeah, I'm sorry. This is a stunning discovery, Jamie.

Andrew: Yeah, it is, and we'll look into it further when we have more time to look in the books.

Filch and Quirrell

Andrew: Well, moving on to other things, one person that we really learn about in the beginning of this chapter is Argus Filch, when he runs into Harry and Ron. And, it goes: "Filch found them trying to force their way through the door that, unluckily turned out to be the entrance to the out-of-bounds corridor on the third floor. He wouldn't believe they were lost, was sure they were trying to break into it on purpose, and was threatening to lock them in the dungeons, when they were rescued by Professor Quirrell, who was passing." So, immediately you see here that Filch is this – this complete jerk, who just assumes the worst, and just gets them into trouble.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Laura: Yeah, and we see that Professor Quirrell was conveniently passing by the third floor corridor.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: But we do learn about Filch also a little after. Hagrid's talking about him in the cabin at the end of the chapter, and he says that Filch sets Miss Norris on him every time he's up at the castle to spy on him.

Jamie and Laura: Yes.

Eric: So, that's more about Filch right there.

Laura: Clearly, Filch doesn't trust him because he thinks that he was responsible for the Chamber of Secrets thing. So, he doesn't trust him to walk around the castle.

Jamie: How long has Filch been there, do you think?

Laura: I don't know, but I would think that he would probably know why Hagrid had been expelled...

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: ...or why he was still there.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Actually, when why were talking about, just back to the first paragraph again – sorry, like the fifth paragraph, but, "There were one hundred and forty-two staircases at Hogwarts." Now, this mentions that some of them led somewhere different on Friday, but I actually don't think anywhere in the books it mentions the turning staircases, like the rotating, actual staircases that are in the Hogwarts movies. I think that was completely a plot device added to the movies to make them get to the third floor corridor without doing the midnight duel.

Jamie: Yeah, it could be. Yeah.

Eric: Because in the movies, you see – you guys know what I'm talking about?

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Because that's not in the books at all, is it? I mean, the actual turning staircases. So that's like really cool...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: ...because every new movie trailer, it's like, "There's something weird at Hogwarts," and then it goes down the staircases as they're turning mischievously. But, that's really cool.

Andrew: Yeah. [mocking Eric] Oh my god, the stairs are moving! That is so weird, I didn't read that in the books! What is WB doing? They're ruining everything!

[Everyone laughs]

Hogwarts = Boring?

Andrew: Ah, calm down. All right, so, right after Filch, Jo goes off onto this tangent about how Hogwarts is just plain old - kids fifteen and under turn your volumes down – plain old sucks.

Laura: I don't think that was what she meant. I think she meant it was overwhelming.

Andrew: Did you read this? Read this, right now.

Eric: "Harry found that he would rather have been back at the Dursleys, getting pounded to shrimp by Dudley." Oh, I see it now. I see.

Andrew: Yeah, okay? There was a lot more to magic, as Harry quickly found out.

[Laura giggles]

Andrew: "They had to study the night skies through a telescope every Wednesday at midnight, and learn the names of different stars and the movements of the planets. Three times a week they went up to the greenhouses behind the castle to study Herbology with a dumpy little witch called Professor Sprout..."

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: "...where they learned how to take care of the strange plants and fungi, and they found out what the were used for. Easily the most boring class was History of Magic." That's the way I get it.

Kevin: Yeah, but you have to remember...

Eric: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait.

Kevin: Hold on.

Eric: This is just setting up the story. It's a ...

Kevin: You have to remember, it's going from the – it's coming from the view...

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: ...of someone who has just started school.

Laura: It's overwhelming. I don't think it was meant to be sucky.

Kevin: Go up to anyone who has just started school...

Andrew: I know, that...

Kevin: I'll ask you, at the beginning of next year, how you like school, and what you're going to tell me is, it's horrible...

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin:'ve got to work, there's crappy, you know, teachers, they don't teach you anything, every thing's hard, you have to do all this work, there's no end to it, you know? It's just, you know, it's written from Harry's view point. And at that time in the story it was probably horrible because it's brand new, and, you know, it's school.

Jamie: Mhm.

Laura: Not to mention, I think Jo is probably trying to set her magical world apart from anyone else's, because when you think of a children's book about wizards, most people are going to automatically think of a bunch of kids sitting around, waving sticks and yelling "Hocus pocus!"

Kevin: Yep.

Jamie: Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

Laura: So she's definitely trying to make it different.

Eric: Exactly. She had to establish that it was a true boarding school point and we've talked about this, too - how in the movies the classroom scenes are what, you know, fans like to relate to and stuff and compare it to classes. So JKR is simply introducing the class structure through which she would be using, you know, in every plot, you know, of every book. Like how they had classes certain, days of the week which is cool because American schools aren't all like that - mine isn't. And she introduces other things like Herbology and Professor Sprout, which we don't find out about until next book and things like Astronomy. Now it says, "They had to study the night skies through their telescopes every Wednesday at midnight..." So since Year One, Harry's been taking Astronomy and we did not see the Astronomy tower being used for Astronomy class until he took his OWLs in like, Book 5 or something.

Laura: Book 5. During the OWLs.

Eric: Yeah. But that just shows how long JKR can go without - you know, she introduced it and told us it was there and that there is Astronomy and she mentions it a hundred times later, but we never actually saw it until books later.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: So she's just, she's establishing this stuff to get it down into writing so she can write about it later.

Andrew: I guess. But I don't know. It just comes off to me like she's trying to make it look like it sucks. Because yeah - because Harry's a new student and he doesn't expect much of it.

Kevin: Yeah. I think it's just...

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: I think it's just, you know, it's just a new student's perspective. Not every kid is going to like school the first couple...

Andrew: No I - not at all. I love school, too.

Laura: I think you just have a vendetta against school, Andrew.

Andrew: Laura, you're home-schooled.

Laura: I mean, I don't know why. I mean, god, I love school.

More On Filch and Quirrell

Eric: [laughs] All right, all right. Something else JKR established is the Marauder's Map, kind of. If you look on page 133.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: What? No guys, well she at least - okay. When she's talking about Filch she says, "Filch knew the secret passageways..."

Jamie: 133?

Kevin: "...better than anyone (except the Weasley...)"

Eric: "(...except perhaps the Weasley twins)..." It's like this thing out there that's like - it's just so cool because right now she's telling us that the Weasley twins could give Filch a run for his money with the knowledge of Hogwarts passageways, and we don't know why we think that's funny. We think, "Oh they're pranksters so that would make sense," and then we move on. But here it is in writing, books before it happens. The magic of JKR. They go to Transfiguration and then Defense Against the Dark Arts, except they're kind of a joke, which isn't surprising. And then it just says...

Laura: Which there is when we first see Professor Quirrell's turban.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Yes.

Laura: And he can't explain how he got it from an Arabian - excuse me - from an African prince.

Jamie: "But they weren't sure they believed this story."

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: There you go.

Eric: Which kind of reminded me of Lockhart.

Laura: And it smells funny. I thought that was weird.

Jamie: No, no it says, "His turban, he told them, had been given to him by an African prince as a thank-you for getting rid of a troublesome zombie, but they weren't sure they believed this story." That's what it says.

Eric: When Seamus...

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Laura: And then I think it was like, Seamus asked him, and he couldn't explain it.

Andrew: And then the Weasley twins insisted that it was stuffed full of garlic, as well, so that Quirrell was protected [laughs] wherever he went.

Potions and Professor Snape

Eric: Then it's time for double Potions with the Slytherins.

Kevin: He added some effect to that.

Eric: Uh-oh.

Andrew: O-M-G.

Laura: Gasp.

Eric: Okay, here's an interesting thing - the description of Snape.

Kevin: Dun, dun, dun.

Eric: Ooh the description of Snape.

Jamie: No, no, wait, before you go there, you've missed something. Hey - sorry, I was just going to say, it's just there's a bit on pg. 101 in the British version, Eric...

[Kevin laughs]

Jamie: ...can you translate that?

Eric: About Hagrid's letter?

Jamie: Yes about when it says, "At the start-of-term banquet..." No it says, "At the start-of-term banquet, Harry had gotten the idea that Professor Snape disliked him. By the end of the first Potions lesson, he knew he'd been wrong. Snape didn't dislike Harry - he hated him."

Eric: Oh yeah.

Jamie: Now, that isn't true. So, well you know, it isn't really true. He doesn't actually hate him. He dislikes him because of his father. So I think that just shows that people - characters can be wrong. Harry's completely wrong there.

Eric: I don't know. Actually it's pg. 136 in the US edition, 101 in the UK, 136. "Snape didn't dislike Harry, he hated him." Well, I don't know. If you think about it, there's a lot of - Harry later asks Hagrid why specifically he hates him and Hagrid chooses not to answer it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: And it seems like a lot of focus is brought on to Harry. It's not like, I don't know, I think Harry would be able to distinguish between hating Harry and hating something about him. Like I mean, Snape is genuinely picking on Harry.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Not like picking on his father or saying anything like that. He's picking on Harry and his moral character by saying that he's a celebrity and that, you know, he's arrogant. Snape calls Harry arrogant.

Jamie: Does hate - hatred's a very, very strong emotion. Like the way he speaks about Harry, it just sounds like he doesn't like him. He thinks he's arrogant so he wants to get something back on him, but hatred - it doesn't sound like he hates him. If you hated somebody, do you really want anything at all to do with them? Wouldn't you rather just never see them again?

Eric: That's a good point and I think - I think you're right. The arrogance does stem from, obviously, James' arrogance, you know, he has a good reason to believe Harry's would be...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: I know what you mean. Well, hated is also, I guess, used lightly here like, you know, what else could go wrong for Harry and kind of in Harry's mind there's this teacher who just really just doesn't even...

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: ...and I think it was used for emphasis, you know, comparison like, "Oh he didn't just dislike him."

Jamie: In the American version is the word "hated" in italics?

Eric: Yes.

Jamie: Is it in italics - the word "hated"?

Eric: Uh-huh.

Jamie: Yeah, okay. Fine, yeah. Just wondering.

Eric: Cool.

Jamie: After that it says, "They were cold and empty and made you think of dark tunnels." The dark tunnel to the Department of Mysteries?

Eric: Actually I think of dark tunnels, I think of the Chamber of Secrets, but yeah.

Jamie: But I just thought - you know, the Occlumency.

Eric: Oh yeah, dark tunnels is a brilliant thing but I mean, then at first she says, well, it says, it's pg. 136. Andrew, it says, "Snape finished calling the names and looked up at the class. His eyes were black like Hagrid's, but they had none of Hagrid's warmth." So that’s an interesting - like, "They were black like Hagrid's..."

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: ...which tells us that Hagrid - but I don't even know why she's making that comparison. She, you know, "...but they had none of Hagrid's warmth." I guess she's just using that to contrast.

Laura: I just sort of thought that it was a way to kind of describe Snape's personality without going into too much detail. I mean, I think it's - I think it's really kind of a brilliant deduction to, you know, draw the Occlumency and the Department of Mysteries and the Chamber of Secrets though.

Andrew: So then we get into the Potions class and oh it's just - this just goes terrible for Harry. Of course, Snape right off the bat has absolutely - is just rippin' on poor Harry. Starts asking him a bunch of questions about little facts. Of course he doesn't know. Well, Hermione does but...

Jamie: What about the actual things? I mean, the bezoar was important in Book 6 when he had to save Ron and the wolfsbane, you know, saved - well it helped Lupin in Book 3. What about monkshood, asphodel and wormwood?

Kevin: The fact that we haven't seen some of the herbs that are mentioned in Snape's class?

Jamie: Well, we've seen some of them...

Kevin: Well, we've seen some of them and the fact that we haven't seen all of them may be foreshadowing that we will see all of them.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: So Snape continues to pick - Snape continues to pick on him.

Kevin: It really did help establish his character in the sense that - especially this small little paragraph. He said - I believe Neville spilt something and he said, "Idiot boy!" and then wiped it away with just the sweep of his hand. He sort of made like a huge, huge deal about it and then he simply just waved his hand and it was gone. So it was sort of like, slapping the kids in the face in the sense that, you know, he was yelling at them - screaming at them - and it was very easy to handle. It's not as though, you know, they broke a priceless...

Jamie: Statue. Yeah. Also, also to do with that - he only took one point off Harry then, and then one more point after...

Kevin: Right.

Jamie: ...after Neville's cauldron broke - burned down. But you know, as we get further into the books, he starts taking ten, then 20, then threatens to take 50 points off him. I don't know if that just means that he's turning meaner or something, but there could be something there.

Kevin: Either that or he's assuming that they're knowing more and...

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Or that.

Hagrid's Hut

Andrew: So they leave the class, then it's time to accept Hagrid's invite and head down to Hagrid's hut. I think this is the first time that Harry and Ron are both going into the hut, right?

Jamie: Yep.

Laura: Yep.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: So they try to get in and we first see Fang. Well, we hear Hagrid trying to get Fang out of the way, and they go in and they see all of this stuff in Hagrid's hut, "Hams and pheasants were hanging from the ceiling, a copper kettle was boiling on the open fire, and in the corner stood a massive bed with the patchwork quilt over it." Then Harry spots the latest issue of the Daily Prophet where - actually no, it was the cutting from the Daily Prophet.

Kevin: And it's somewhat important that they did say cutting because it had direct relevance to the Sorcerer's Stone.

Andrew: Yeah, but why would he save the article specifically? That's what I'd don't get.

Kevin: I don't know.

Jamie: Just because...

Kevin: I think it was just her subtle way of pointing out that he was paying attention to it.

Laura: I don't know if there is any specific reason.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: It's a good plot point.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Kevin: So a reader would see cutting and say, "Oooo, Hagrid has taken attention to it."

Jamie: Sorry.

Andrew: It's funny we spot all this stuff. Why aren't we noticing this in Book 6? It's just going to aggravate me when we read Book 7 and then all of a sudden...

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: ..."Oh, it was right there in front of us." I mean this only gives away what's later in the books.

Kevin: Yeah, but still I mean...

Andrew: It's nothing huge but...

Kevin: I know, it is. Yeah.

Andrew: It's keeping us trained. [laughs] Well, Harry calls it out. He saying, "What's happened? This was the same day we went to Gringotts." And like you said, Kevin, "Oh it's nothing."

Kevin: Of course, that's the worst thing you can tell a curious teenager.

Andrew: Now we are all set up for the rest of Book 7 - or Book 1, sorry.

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