Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: Because Battlestar Gallactica is a re-run this week, MuggleCast 36 for April 23rd, 2006!
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Hello everyone and welcome back to the show! I'm Andrew Sims.
Ben: I am Ben Schoen.
Eric: I am Eric Scull.
Laura: I am Laura Thompson.
Jamie: And I'm Jamie Lawrence. Last again, for the second time tonight.
Andrew: Sorry about that, Jamie.
Laura: We love you, Jamie.
Andrew: As everyone knows by now, this is the show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, theories, discussion, analysis, whatever you want to make of it. It's all right here.
Ben: All bundled in to one hour.
Andrew: Ben, we finish each other's sentences now.
Ben: I know.
Andrew: Our relationship is growing.
Laura: It's meant to be.
[Andrew and Ben laugh]
Andrew: Before we go anywhere else, let's check in with Micah Tannenbaum for the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.
Micah: Warner Bros. announced earlier this week that the IMAX version of the fourth Harry Potter movie has grossed over $20 million worldwide. These earnings make the film the first digitally re-mastered 2D IMAX release to reach such a milestone.
And speaking of movies, last week we confirmed the US release date of Order of the Phoenix as July 13th, 2007. We've now learned from Warner Bros that UK fans will be seeing the film on the same date. Other release dates include Australia on September 6th, 2007. France will get in on July 11th, Ireland and Norway on July 13th, Hungary on July 19th, and Bulgaria on July 20th.
HPANA reported Tuesday that Nicholas Hooper, one of the UK's leading media composers, is set to compose the soundtrack for the Order of the Phoenix movie. In 2004, he won the Best Original Score BAFTA for The Young Visitors and was nominated several other times for the prestigious awards. However, this has yet to be confirmed by Warner Brothers, so stay tuned for more information.
And Jim McManus is set to play Aberforth Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix, confirming that Dumbledore's goat loving brother will appear in the fifth film.
Rupert Grint, along with James and Oliver Phelps, appeared on BBC Radio 1's Jo Whiley show Wednesday morning where they discussed filming of the fifth Harry Potter movie. Head over to MuggleNet.com to see the full interview.
The Sunday Times' 2006 rich list of young people in the UK placed Daniel Radcliffe at #9, with a net worth of £14m ($25m). The list determines the richest 1,000 British people or families by identifying their wealth in terms of property, assets or significant shares in companies.
JK Rowling topped the list of the film and television millionaires, with an estimated worth of £520m ($926m).
Jo has been listed on TIME Magazine's poll for the top 100 most influential people. Each week visitors can vote on a different category, with this week's being Artists and Entertainers. Jo is up against the likes of actor George Clooney and comedian Jon Stewart. So be sure to go vote.
JK Rowling has donated a "major" sum of money to help create a research center for Multiple Sclerosis in Edinburgh. The figure, which is undisclosed at this time, will help fund the over £2m project at The Centre for Regenerative Medicine in Edinburgh University. Scotland is the MS capital of the world, with around 10,400 sufferers.
David Thewlis talked with This is London, Richard Griffiths spoke with the New York Post and Rupert Grint with Alloy Magazine recently. Be sure to head on over to MuggleNet to read these interviews. And speaking of Rupert, the actor who plays Ron in the Potter films will be in New York to view a screening of Driving Lessons at the Tribeca Film Festival. The screening takes place on April 30th at 8:30 PM (that's a week from this Sunday), and tickets are only available at the door.
That's all the news for this April 23rd, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.
Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah.
Andrew: Now, moving on to some announcements. Don't forget - buy your own MuggleCast T-shirt and you will fit in at your school.
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Jamie, do you want to do a contest reminder?
Jamie: Yeah, I will. Please look in the "Show Notes" for a link to the competition that allows you to win a place on the podcast panel at Collectormania 9, where we will be interviewing and talking to Robert Pattinson, James and Oliver Phelps, and other Harry Potter stars, hopefully. And you can also win a Gold Pass ticket, which basically allows you free reign over the entire Collectormania event, worth £175. So, please enter. And also, if you want tickets to the podcast, please do e-mail me because I think there are some still left. Thank you.
Eric: 175 "pounds" - that's pretty heavy.
Ben: That is pretty good.
[Andrew and Ben laugh]
Andrew: And now it's time for a big old birthday wish to our very own Eric James Scull, who turns 18 this Sunday, the 23rd.
Eric: 18, April 23rd. That's right, Andrew. Yours truly, the Caption Man is the big 1-8. He's legal starting...
Andrew: You are legally - legal what? I don't know what you are saying.
Eric: Eh, that's okay Andrew. You're a little too young. I can't explain that to you.
Andrew: [in baby-like voice] I'm still little!
Andrew: Eric, I hope you get some good presents. Send Eric some presents if you love him to the MuggleCast PO Box at? Ben?
PO Box 223
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Andrew: All right. Now it is time for this week's Listener Rebuttals. The first one comes from Kristen, 17, in Massachusetts. She writes:
Jamie: Do you know what's weird - do you know what's weird though? Thinking about that. What does Voldemort translate to mean again? What was it? "Flight from death?" Is it "Vol-de-mort"?
Eric: Flight from death.
Jamie: Yeah, flight from death. Well, he must have thought about his Horcruxes then and put significant thought into... No, actually thinking about it, do you think the "flight from death" means that after he tried to kill Harry, he flew from death there? Or which thing do you think it relates to? Because...
Ben: I think it relates to him being immortal.
Eric: [same time as Ben] Immortal or... Yeah, very powerful.
Jamie: Then he must have automatically came up with - I mean he must have had his plan by the time he wanted his friends to call him Voldemort, or he couldn't have adopted that name without realizing its etymology.
Eric: That's just like saying that [coughs] he wouldn't be a Latin major, you know? Or wouldn't be, you know? How he could come up with that. I don't know. Does... I tend to think the whole Voldemort meaning "flight from death" is one of the Rowlingisms, where Rowling put it in and we know the significance of it and that's why it's cool. But, I don't necessarily know that Tom Riddle was sitting there like, okay, with a Latin dictionary...
Jamie: No, no. It's French. It's French. Vol-de-mort.
Eric: Oh, sorry - French.
Jamie: "Mort" is "death."
Jamie: He just went on CoolEvilWizardNames.com.
Ben: Oh yeah.
Jamie: It's an excellent site. I do recommend it.
Eric: No, I mean French... I'd like to think - but at the same time, yeah, I don't know. I think the whole fact that Voldemort means "flight from death" is just one of the cool Rowling things. So I'm trying to guess - I guess I am saying he chose Voldemort without knowing that, but that's kind of a stupid, weird thing to do. You know? To rearrange the letters to be Voldemort?
Jamie: Yeah, that's true.
Eric: That's... I don't know.
Laura: Well, no, actually I would have to agree with Eric because I don't think that people in the series name themselves or their children specific names, thinking that it has some kind of mythological or tie through a definition to them and their personality. I just think it's something that Jo does.
Jamie: Voldemort liked trophies and stuff. And I think he would have liked his name to have a deep etym - sorry, etymological grounding. Sorry, it's late. I can't even say that. So, I think it would have appealed to him.
Ben: And I agree with what Jamie is saying because...
Jamie: Oh, thanks Ben.
Ben: ...when you name a kid - when you name a kid, you don't know what they are going to become. Voldemort knew that he was going to try to cheat death.
Jamie: Yeah, exactly.
Ben: So, it makes sense that he named himself that.
Eric: I agree with that.
Laura: Yeah, I can go with that.
Andrew: I'm trying to remember, didn't - I think the point of this e-mail was that last week we said something about...
Jamie: When Voldemort came around, didn't we? Or something like that? I can't remember.
Andrew: Right. Yeah, something like THAT.
Laura: It was a Dueling Club.
Jamie: Oh yeah, yeah, that's it.
Ben: But what I refer Voldemort as, is like the modern-day Voldemort.
Jamie: Yes, I agree. Yeah.
Ben: Not the - when he was 16.
Jamie: I agree completely.
Ben: So, when he's 16, I still think he's in the Tom Marvolo Riddle stage where he's sort of a "I want to be Voldemort." But then after... But then later on when he starts developing his following, that's when I sort of see the real transformation happen. Because at the time he was still a student and he was still learning and really hadn't went on a rampage yet. That's just the way I look at it.
Eric: So, I would think of Voldemort as beginning after he did all those magical things like change his face...
Jamie: Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Eric: ...and change his appearance. And when he came back to Dumbledore asking to teach at Hogwarts, I think that's probably when he was Voldemort.
Andrew: All right. Now moving on to the next listener rebuttal. This one comes from Zach, 21, of New "Yawk." He writes:
Andrew and Jamie: Oooh!
Jamie: Clever guy!
Ben: I disagree with this for two reasons. Firstly, Snape didn't know that Quirrell - that Voldemort was on the back of Quirrell's head. And he perhaps thought that Voldemort was gone for good like some of the other people thought, so he wouldn't really try to combat them. And secondly, he already - the reason that he tried to save Harry was that he owed a debt to Harry's father...
Jamie: Yeah, I was going to say that.
Ben: ...just like something...
Ben: Like in the end we may see Peter Pettigrew betray Voldemort, because he owes a debt to Harry. That's what I'm saying and Jo's mentioned throughout the series that when you owe a debt to someone, it's like, very strong and very binding, so I think that makes sense. So even if he did know, which I don't think he did, that Voldemort was on the back of his head...
Eric: Yeah. I think that's also like asking - well first of all Snape I think, himself, saw Quirrell as greedy, or just wanting the stone for himself. I think that's what Quirrell said. Quirrell's own words were something like that. That he didn't know about Voldemort being on the back of his head, but also I think it's like asking why Voldemort would take Snape in and let Snape be on his side after the events of Sorcerer's Stone. It's kind of like asking that question because, you know? You think with Snape confronting Quirrell, that Voldemort would never trust him again. You know?
Eric: Because he would have seen him approaching Quirrell, and trying to stop him - all that stuff. But Snape does - did owe a debt to Harry and...
Jamie: It's basically that.
Ben: And at the same time about when you said that Voldemort would hear what Snape said. Another thing you have to remember, basically, is that there are a large amount of people who were originally loyal to Voldemort that broke that loyalty oath, and basically denied that they were ever on his side.
Ben: You know, there was the Malfoys, Crabbe, Goyle, all of them who denied it.
Jamie: Going from that, this kind of thing transcends the good vs. evil debate, because obviously Voldemort supporters don't think they're evil; they think that Dumbledore's evil, and I'm sure it's possible to be in between Voldemort and Dumbledore, and not be evil, and not be good. You know? You're just neutral.
Ben: Like amoral?
Jamie: No, no, no. Obviously Snape is a supporter of one or the other side, but he's still a teacher and he has a duty to protect his students. If he sees Quirrell trying to knock Harry off his broom, he has a duty, foremost as a teacher, to stop him from doing so. I just think, I know he told Bellatrix in London that he couldn't kill Harry because it was right under Dumbledore's nose, but it could just be that, you know, that he has responsibility as a teacher as well. He could be on Voldemort's side, but he's still, you know, his loyalty to Voldemort doesn't extend to being really evil and just killing students. You know? He still has a loyalty to them.
Ben: I don't want to exacerbate the Snape conversation too much here, but my question here is do you think it's possible that Snape is on his own side?
Jamie: Yes, definitely. Yeah.
Ben: He's not good, he's not evil, he's just working for himself?
Eric: Well, you've brought that theory up before. What I wanted to say though - because of this, in reference to this rebuttal, you know, he's asking if the fact Snape saved Harry this time, if it means that he's good for good? What I wanted to say was just in the whole book,, you know the whole book, we're led to believe Snape is evil, and it turns out he's not. I just wanted to ask the question of does that mean Jo is fooling us so that he can actually be evil later in the books, [coughs] or is that truly a parallel where we'll always think Snape is bad, and it will turn out he isn't?
Jamie: Yeah, that could be it as well.
Andrew: But if he's in it for himself, what does he have to gain from this? Ultimate power over Voldemort or what?
Ben: Well, just staying alive.
Eric: I don't think he's in it for himself. I really don't think Snape is in it for himself. A lot of the - I think Snape is too well educated to be in it for himself.
Ben: Or he's well educated enough that he could play the game, and play both sides well enough.
Eric: Eh, possibly.
Andrew: All right, that wraps up this week's Listener Rebuttals. Now, we've been doing this for the past two shows, and we've gotten such great feedback that I thought we should spend another ten minutes or so on the Book 7/Movie 5 release dates, because...
Jamie: Don't you mean...
Andrew: It's just so interesting...
Jamie: Can we do twenty?
Jamie: Can we do twenty minutes? Yeah, twenty minutes.
Andrew: What do you guys think? Twenty?
Jamie: Yeah, give the fans a treat. Give the fans a treat.
Ben: Actually, I think we should spend the rest of the show...
Andrew: [laughs] The rest of the show? [laughs] A treat.
Jamie: Yeah. Let's just call it Release-Date Cast. We only talk about the release date.
[Andrew, Ben and Laura laugh]
Andrew: All right, well, actually, guys, we're just kidding. We [laughs]...
Ben: We got plenty of e-mails about that.
Andrew: Some people enjoyed the discussion, but some people thought we over-killed it.
Andrew: I thought it was an interesting debate...
Laura: I did too. [laughs]
Andrew: ...but we're just going to have to wait and see. [laughs] So...
Andrew: I guess it's one of those discussions where, like, it's only interesting to some people if you're actually involved.
Ben: Yeah, but a final thing - one final closing point on that...
Jamie: Yeah, but with a release date it's that...
Ben: No, no. Hold on, hold on. Jo probably... They probably take into account when Jo is going to release the book, and she probably doesn't know yet, so if they - say she decides 07/07/07, they'll probably move the movie, and that's all there is to be said about it.
Eric: I don't know.
Andrew: Good point.
Eric: They shouldn't have made it official. Why did they go and make it official, Andrew, why would they do that?
Andrew: Okay, but we're not discussing this.
Andrew: Anyway, moving on.
Andrew: Now it's time for this week's Chapter-by-Chapter discussion, Chapter 10 of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone...
Jamie: Or Philosopher's Stone.
Andrew: Titled "Halloween" - Or Philosopher's Stone, if you're like Jamie and live across the pond.
Jamie: It's only a small pond.
Andrew: All right, Eric. You've been gone for what, two shows? Two weeks?
Eric: Two shows.
Andrew: What have we done without you?
Jamie: I don't know how we've coped. It's been difficult.
Andrew: Yeah, I don't know how we coped either, honestly. Yeah. All right, so there's quite a few things that happened in this chapter, so let's get right to it.
Laura: Last week, we were debating whether or not Malfoy was actually planning to go and chickened out or if he tipped off Filch, and I think the beginning of this chapter pretty much confirms that he tipped Filch off.
Jamie: Yeah, definitely.
Laura: Because it says: "Malfoy couldn't believe his eyes when he saw that Harry and Ron were still at school the next day."
Eric: Yeah, that's nice.
Laura: So, I think that pretty much settles that debate.
Eric: It was just a simple ploy.
Andrew: I stand corrected, Laura. I'm sorry.
Eric: Okay, on pg. 164 of the US edition, this might be - I don't know if anybody is going to narrate this chapter. I can't because I'm getting over the flu and I'm coughing, but whose phone is that? Anyways, pg. 164 in the US version, is actually when Harry gets his Nimbus 2000 from McGonagall. I just wanted to remark that this letter from Professor McGonagall is pretty useless, considering everybody knows, or will know, what Harry gets anyway.
Andrew: Yeah, wouldn't it have made more sense if you sent the letter first - sent the note first. Or why not just hand deliver it?
Eric: Well, I would have actually just given Harry the broomstick somewhere else. You know?
Jamie: Later on perhaps?
Jamie: Held him back after a lesson.
Eric: I think it's possible, too, that they could have sent the - yeah, exactly. I think they could have sent the letter first anyway. Maybe they did, it's just the owl who was carrying the parcel was faster, or something like that. I don't think - but...
Andrew: There were six owls carrying the parcels. So...
Eric: Okay, yeah. So I guess the letter owl was just dumb.
Eric: So, sending it through the Great Hall is the one way to ensure that everybody knows he's getting one.
Laura: I think what she meant was, "I don't want everybody knowing that the school paid for your broom."
Jamie: Yeah, I think that...
Eric: No, but I don't see how even getting the thing would make them know that, or not know that anyway. By the time he plays Quidditch and is on the broom, they're going to be like, "That's a Nimbus 2000, where did he get one?"
Jamie: He can lie. He can lie and just say, "I bought it," or "I found it."
Eric: [laughs] "I found it."
Andrew: We don't know for sure who paid for this broom or - well, we know why, but we don't know for sure who paid for this broom.
Jamie: I think Laura's right, that the school had to pay for it, or why would they care that they got one? Because everyone is going to find out that he's playing soon enough, and they're going to see he's flying a Nimbus 2000.
Andrew: Why would it be the entire school? Wouldn't it make more sense if it was McGonagall, or maybe the Gryffindor team chipped to help pay for this to ensure Harry comes on the team this year?
Laura: Well, I don't think it was anyone specific. I think it was just the school in general.
Eric: I think it was Dumbledore, actually.
Jamie: Oh no.
Laura: Well, I mean, it's just money that came from the school. It doesn't matter really specifically what teacher or who got together about it.
Eric: [laughs] Taxes. Yeah, it was taxes.
Jamie: Broomstick fund.
Eric: Yeah, it was the broomstick fund.
[Jamie and Laura laugh]
Eric: Yeah the people around the students pay taxes, and they paid for Harry's broom.
Eric: It's tax deductible, the broomstick fund.
Jamie: Oh yeah it is, definitely. Not for profit.
[Eric and Laura laugh]
Andrew: All right, so moving along, he gets into his Quidditch lessons. Is there anything really to point out here?
Jamie: Only that Wood doesn't know what basketball is, but he [laughs] gets out a pack of golf balls.
Andrew: I thought that was pretty dumb.
Jamie: Do they have stores there now?
Andrew: I don't know how you wouldn't know that. Wouldn't you have some - wouldn't you go back into the Muggle world and read in the paper or...
Jamie: No, exactly. Yeah.
Andrew: ...overhear it.
Andrew: I don't get that. That makes them seem really imaginary.
Andrew: It kind of makes me sad.
Jamie: I makes me cry.
Eric: I don't know. Is basketball big in Britain, Jamie?
Jamie: No, not really.
Andrew: I guess that means Wood didn't take one class: Muggle studies. Ah! [laughs]
[Everyone laughs sarcastically]
Andrew: Well it's true, right?
Andrew: There, I just made a new fact.
Eric: Actually, I don't even know that Muggle Studies would focus on...
Andrew: Of course Muggle Studies would cover sports.
Eric: I don't know, you think? I mean the wizards are completely...
Andrew: That's crazy talk!
Eric: Well, Muggle Studies just sounds like a sad excuse to pretend they know a lot about Muggles, when clearly they - clearly the first class, the first day of Muggle Studies should focus on proper dress.
Eric: You know? How the guys don't wear the dresses?
Andrew: Good point.
Eric: You know? Or nightgowns.
Jamie: Eric, that thing you were saying about that Wood said that he could turn out better than Charlie Weasley, and he could have played for England if he hadn't gone off chasing dragons. Do you think that's foreshadowing?
Jamie: That after Harry sorted out all that stuff with Voldemort, and if he lives of course, he could like completely purge everyone's emotions about the evil versus good and just play for England, play Quidditch for England.
Eric: No, I don't think that will happen for one reason, which is JKR hates Quidditch, and...
Eric: I think she does! I think she really does, doesn't she? Didn't she say that she was really, really, really tired of writing about Quidditch?
Andrew: Yeah, I'm pretty sure she did.
Eric: And it's funny...
Eric: ...because I kind of got that feeling by Book 4, there wasn't Quidditch. By Book 5, he wasn't on the team. I'm like, "Wow!" But, she did write about so many different games that it's just like she got tired of trying to find new ways to write about games that haven't happened yet.
Jamie: That is true, yeah.
Eric: I really don't think - even if she writes about it, I really don't think she'll have Harry going off and playing Quidditch, just so she doesn't have to imply that she is ever going to write about any more about Quidditch. I just don't think Quidditch...
Jamie: That's true, yeah.
Eric: As far as I'm concerned, I don't think she wants to think about it anymore.
Laura: I think even if Harry had the opportunity, he wouldn't, because he doesn't like fame.
Ben: That's just - yeah.
Laura: I mean he hates it enough already. Why would he want to go become a famous Quidditch player?
Jamie: He loves broomsticks and balls, doesn't he? I think he'd jump at the chance to go off and play Quidditch.
Laura: I think he likes it, but I think that were he to [laughs] - if he's going to survive this war with Voldemort, then I'm not sure he's going to want to go play Quidditch.
Jamie: Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
Laura: I think he's going to want to settle down and live a quiet life.
Jamie: You're probably right.
Eric: Harry's never wanted to acquire attention, because he's always been provided with it.
Eric: It's true to say that, like, if he were to go on...
Jamie: Yeah, but if he played Quidditch, he'd do it for himself, though, he wouldn't...
Eric: But, if he were to go on to be an Auror, he'd probably acquire fame, too, for hunting down all the remaining bad guys. But I just think - I don't think of Harry as a jock. He's always been successful, and he's always been a good sports person...
Eric: ...but to pursue a career where you're just constantly showing that you're a better teammate than somebody else, I think something about that would not appeal to him.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: Well, he's into the excitement, and what other job would he work at?
Eric: Quickie Mart.
Andrew: That wouldn't give him so much stress?
Laura: Does he even really need a job...
Eric: He doesn't need a job!
Andrew: Well, he might have enough cash, yeah.
Ben: He's going to die anyway!
Andrew: Good point!
Andrew: Thank you, Negative Ben!
Andrew: Ben, I'm sure...
Eric: He's going to die.
Andrew: Ben, that's your response to everything. [Mimics Ben] "Who cares? He's just going to die anyway!" Yeah, just say that about everyone that we bring up!
Jamie: [laughs] I'd love Harry to be a hot dog vendor. That'd be the best thing ever!
Jamie: That would be so good! Please say he'd be one! Please Jo, please make him a hot dog vendor! "So, Harry, are you going to go off and kill Voldemort?" "Nope. I've opened up a pork and link sausage business just down the road."
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Jamie: I'm going to sell loads and make a fortune. Harry's Hot Dogs!"
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