Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: Because there is no chance of scoring this weekend, MuggleCast - Episode 37 for April 30th, 2006!
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, welcomes back to the show. I'm Andrew Sims...
Jamie: [trying to interrupt Andrew] Jamie Lawrence.
Andrew: Oh, all right, Jamie.
Andrew: Since it's your last week, I guess...
Andrew: ...we'll let you go first.
Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.
Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson. Wow, you know, it feels like I just talked to you guys.
Jamie: And I'm not last for once.
Andrew: Laura, why is that?
Laura: You know, I don't know. It just feels like yesterday, last time I talked to you.
Jamie: It does feel like that - it does.
Andrew: That's because I called you up, remember?
Laura: Oh yeah, that's right.
Andrew: All right, well before we do anything else, let's check in with Micah for the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.
Micah: Last week, Comingsoon.net conducted an interview with Rupert Grint where he discussed the progress of the fifth Harry Potter film, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Another interview with Rupert has been posted at MTV.com where the actor discusses his second non-Potter film Driving Lessons. Rupert also briefly mentioned filming Order of the Phoenix and that the scenes with Dumbledore's Army have gotten underway.
At the 2006 Empire Awards, the magazine caught up with the Jason Isaacs, the actor who plays Lucius Malfoy and he spoke a little about the Harry Potter movies as well as his beloved blond wig. When asked if he will be back in the fifth film, he said "Oh I donít know, youíll have to ask David (Heyman, Potter producer), I hope so, I canít bear the idea that somebody else would get to wear my Paris Hilton wig, but you never know."
Chris Rankin (Percy Weasley) recently did an interview icSurreyOnline about his role in the fifth Harry Potter film. Rankin talks about his character's transformation from a stuck-up prefect to a quite a nasty piece of work who does the bidding of the Ministry of Magic.
Earlier this month, we told you that Girlguiding Scotland, an organization which help girls and young women to achieve their goals, would be interviewing 100 successful female members of the group. Jo Rowling is among them and her interview can now be seen at the Girlguiding website. In the interview, JKR discussed Scotland and being Scottish, her career, being a woman, and what's important to her. To read all these interviews in full, head over to MuggleNet.com.
For their work on the Goblet of Fire film, Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint have all been nominated for the 2006 MTV Movie Awards in the category of "Best On-Screen Team." Additionally, Dan and Ralph Fiennes made the "Best Hero" and "Best Villain" categories respectively. Show the cast your support by voting online. The award ceremony will be televised on June 8th.
Movies.com has compiled a list of the top eight films of all time which each involve the resurrection of a character. The fourth Harry Potter movie made the #5 spot, for the return of Lord Voldemort, behind movies like The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
Two months ago we reported that Tony Maudsley was signed on for Order of the Phoenix. Now, Leaky has confirmed that Tony will be "playing" Grawp (Hagrid's half-brother) in the film.
Although it was expected that the cover would be very similar to the hardback version, Scholastic has released a picture of the US Half-Blood Prince paperback cover which contains some minor variations. The book will be released in the United States on July 25th and on the 23rd in the UK.
That's all the news for this April 30th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast.
Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah.
Andrew: Now it's time for a few announcements - actually only one announcement. Buy a MuggleCast T-shirt.
Jamie: A brand-new announcement.
Andrew: Why, Eric?
Eric: Don't ask me.
[Andrew and Kevin laugh]
Jamie: I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.
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2. You'll look so cool, it'll be unbelievable - everyone's heads will turn.
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Kevin: And 5...
Jamie: Those are awesome reasons.
Eric: And 5... If you've made it to this reason...
Kevin: You're going to be paying for Jamie's food.
Kevin: He's poor and he's living on the streets.
Jamie: I am. It's absolutely true. And I've pieced together my own computer and headset to record the show.
Andrew: Oh, wow.
Eric: Yes, with scraps of stale bread.
Jamie: While living on the street.
Jamie: I know, using nothing more than an empty toilet roll holder and an old spoon. It's very impressive.
Eric: [laughs] You must looking really funny right now sitting on your computer with a spoon.
Andrew: [laughs] Wow.
Kevin: You really should go to college.
Jamie: Yeah, well, you know.
Laura: Yeah, you bum.
Jamie: I figure I'm a natural engineer.
[Andrew and Kevin laugh]
Andrew: All right. Hey, let's do something outrageous. Only a few minutes into the show let's jump into Chapter-by-Chapter.
Andrew: How does that sound?
Jamie: A good idea.
Kevin: Oooo. Switching things up a bit.
Laura: Sounds pretty dangerous, but...
Andrew: I know.
Jamie: It does. We're taking a risk, Andrew.
Andrew: This week - Chapter 11 of Sorcerer's Stone titles "Quidditch." So, this chapter is really focused around...
Eric: [laughs] Quidditch?
Andrew: ...the first Quidditch match.
Jamie: This chapter, "Quidditch" is pretty much focused around...Quidditch?
Eric: Yeah, I think this chapter is probably going to be about...
Eric: You can totally tell because if you look at the chapter picture by Mary Grandpre...
Jamie: It just jumps out at you, doesn't it?
Eric: ...he looks charred black, doesn't he, Andrew?
Jamie: [laughs] Yes.
Andrew: Sort of. I don't know what you're trying to say, though.
Eric: In Chapter 11, "Quidditch," Harry is preparing for the upcoming infamous match of Gryffindor vs. Slytherin and is given a book by Hermione. This book is later taken by Snape and Harry goes to try and get it back, where he finds himself in the staff room, peaking in as Snape confides to Filch that he was bitten by Fluffy. Shocked and startled by his discovery, Harry returns to the Gryffindor common room and soon all thoughts are turned to the next day's pending Quidditch match, during which Harry finds his broom jinxed and further has reason to suspect Snape. BOOM!
Laura: Yes! Perfect!
Jamie: Niceley done.
Laura: Good job, Eric.
Andrew: The first thing we want to point out here - well, I found it interesting about this one sentence on pg. 181 of the US Edition. "It was really lucky that Harry now had Hermione as a friend."
Andrew: And the first thing I think of is, "Oh, thank god that they are friends now." Because now you look at Book 6 and how much Hermione has helped Harry. But moving on.
Kevin: As all the 'shippers e-mail us.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Andrew: But moving on: the Trio runs into Snape - well, actually Snape runs into the Trio and Harry gets caught with the Quidditch Through The Ages book and automatically Snape just goes, "Five points from Gryffindor." And what I thought was interesting here, was that Snape is taking away five points from Gryffindor - with those same five points McGonagall awarded Harry, or rewarded Harry for saving Hermione's life. What's up with that?
Eric: Yes, it's kind of like the inflation we're talking about last week, where all of sudden it's getting - you can take five points away for nothing as opposed to five points for saving someone's life. But you just made a connection that I didn't originally think about - that the five points is simply the five points they gained by doing the Troll thing. So, by Snape...
Jamie: Ah yes, he saw it, didn't he? Yeah.
Eric: See? So, by Snape coming by and taking five points away for nothing, it's not necessarily like he's just...
Jamie: He was undoing the good. Yeah.
Eric: Yeah, he's just trying to get...
Eric: He's taking - he's reclaiming the five points that Gryffindor has won by that thing, you know what I'm saying? So, it make not exactly be that he's...
Andrew: Good point.
Eric: ...you know, starting to take away more points than he used to and everything's inflating and getting bigger. I just think that's really, that's just his way of, "Oh my god" because he got the points back then that they had earned - five points.
Andrew: Yeah. That's a good point. I didn't even think of that.
Eric: Well, you did it, Andrew. I mean, you said it...
Eric: ...you're like, somewhere in there...
Andrew: I said, "What's up with that?"
Jamie: Yeah, take a bow, Andrew. Take a bow.
Kevin: Yeah, take a bow.
Andrew: No thanks, I'm too modest to do that.
Kevin: Oh yeah, right.
Eric: So Harry tries to get his book back, right? And he finds his way to the staff room - first of all, he tells Ron and Hermione and they're like, "nice knowing you." [laughs] So, he peeks in and who does he see, but Snape with Filch showing him his leg and saying, "How are you supposed to keep an eye on all three heads at once?" So, what I wanted to ask - and this is a note that I brought up, but you guys said you had the same thing - Snape is with Filch right now and he's showing Filch that he got bitten by Fluffy. He can obviously trust Filch and I'm questioning what's up with that because if Snape is the kind of person to like Filch, either Filch is good or Snape is looking to be a little bit more bad than we thought.
Jamie: It also shows that Filch is privy to all of the goings-on at the castle. Which, I mean, I assume you should expect since he's the caretaker and I mean, he has to know that he can't go on the third floor corridor, and he has to know it so he can enforce the policy that students can't go there as well. So, as well as what you said, which was a good point, I think it just also shows that Dumbledore trusts him as well. And perhaps, because Dumbledore trusts him, perhaps Snape trusts him as well.
Laura: It really makes me wonder how much Filch knows about Snape currently.
Laura: Talking Half-Blood Prince.
Eric: Well, I wanted to comparison also with Snape and Filch. Snape is obviously a very tormented soul. I mean, I think you guys would agree with that as far as he had a very tortured student-hood, student life at Hogwarts and I think, well, Snape - sorry, Filch is also tortured by students constantly like, today he's facing these teenagers who will hang his cat up by a wall and throw stuff at him and create this havoc. Both of them are very tormented by students in certain ways. Like, Snape more so in the past, but I wanted to - maybe you think that they draw that connection and therefore they're a little bit close, so they can share these goings-on. Or was this simply, "Well, Dumbledore trusts him so I should go tell him."
Eric: I mean, it seemed to me that Snape was confiding in Filch by saying, "Oh, the blasted thing. How are you supposed to" - what exactly - what point was supposed to be made by him telling Filch about that?
Laura: I also think that it's interesting considering Snape's past as a Death Eater and also the possibility that he might still be evil since Snape...
Laura: ...excuse me, not Snape, Filch is a Squib.
Jamie: Also, if we move on slightly, it says, "He tried to empty his mind. He needed to sleep, he had to, he had his first Quidditch match in a few hours, but the expression on Snape's face when Harry had seen his leg wasn't easy to forget." And it says at the top that, "Snape's face was twisted with fury." But, do you think it's just trying to show that that was something else there and we have to kind of guess what it is? If it's hate or jealousy or just something like that?
Eric: I think that was a moment where Snape knew - Harry was the last person that Snape wanted to see when bearing his leg...
Jamie: Yeah, I agree.
Eric: ...and I think he knows Harry's curious nature will, like...
Eric: ...further derail and that would set off this chain of events. So Snape, at that moment, is realizing, by Harry seeing this, he is going to be inquisitive and is going to go around talking about me and he's going to do all sorts of stuff. He can't predict - it's a situation going out of control right in front of him.
Jamie: Yeah, I think that's right.
Laura: He probably also realizes then that it's very possible Harry was the student who was out sneaking around that night.
Eric: Well, he knows - he suspects Quirrell at this point.
Laura: Yeah, but, I mean I'm pretty sure Filch knew that there were students out of bed because Peeves yelled it. And I guess it all really depends on if he found out they ended up in the third floor corridor or not.
Jamie: It says, just before they start playing, and Madam Hooch is saying that she wants a "nice fair game" and Harry sees "out of the corner of his eye the fluttering banner high above, flashing Potter for President over the crowd. His heart skipped. He felt braver." I think it's just important to point out there that him seeing all these things that are completely concentrated on him and he being the center of attention, it doesn't show that - I mean, his arrogance doesn't shine through. It sort of empowers him rather than strokes his ego, if that makes sense. And I think that carries on all the way through. He doesn't like the attention because he's an attention-seeker. He likes it just because it helps him to do what he feels he has to do.
Eric: It gives him confidence. I mean, "Potter for President," you know?
Andrew: Well, especially in the first book...
Jamie: Oh yeah.
Andrew: ...but by Book 5 and 6, he hates it. Right now, it's to help him get on his feet.
Eric: Well, I had thought that this had actually come later in the books. I don't know why, but this whole Lee Jordan thing where McGonagall [laughs] has to keep reminding him to stay on top of the game because he's talking about how beautiful Angelina Johnson is, and how mean the Slytherin team is and stuff, I think it's funny because it's interesting to see McGonagall try and keep Jordan on this straight, unbiased, unfair - or fair path.
Eric: And, yet we've always seen her in the books doing things that kind of favored Gryffindor, but not widely. So, she had to tell Jordan to be quiet and not judge the Slytherin team, and it has funny results because Jordan says, "okay so the Slytherin Beaters nearly killed the Seeker..."
Andrew: I think it just shows his immaturity...
Jamie: It's just a funny thing.
Andrew: Yeah, it's funny.
Eric: I thought it came later in the books though; I was very surprised.
Eric: At the end of the match, or towards the end of the match, Harry finds that his broom's kind of going out of control, and at first nobody notices this, but soon everybody notices, everybody looks up, and Marcus Flint scores a bunch of goals and nobody really cares because they're looking at Harry. So, Harry's broom is shaking and Hagrid looks up and makes a statement - let me find this. Page 190 - yeah, 190 here. They're kind of questioning what's going on. It says - I'm more interested in what Hagrid's saying about this whole dark magic thing, "No kid could do that to a Nimbus Two Thousand."
Kevin: Well, it's not only that, its the fact that his broom is shaking and the only one to try to help him is Snape. You would think that Dumbledore or...
Jamie: Dumbledore, or Hooch. Yeah.
Kevin: ...one of the other professors sitting there would go "something's wrong" and do something about it.
Jamie: But even before that, the thing that got me was that if Quirrell wanted to hurt him, the last place I thought you'd do it would be at a crowded Quidditch match with everyone watching...
Eric: Yeah, in front of everybody.
Jamie: ...and a thousand teachers there as well. I mean, perhaps he was trying to set Snape up which, I mean, he almost succeeded in doing. But, it just seems like such a very weird place to do it when he could have just held him back after a Defense Against the Dark Arts lesson and just curse him or something. It just seems completely illogical.
Eric: You're right because clearly it kind of states that there's somebody high up - a powerful teacher who could do dark magic who's doing dark magic in front of everybody.
Andrew: Well, it was in such a crowded area that anyone could have assumed - or someone could have assumed it could be anyone.
Andrew: Like, there could be some...
Andrew: There could be some dark wizard hiding in this huge crowd of hundreds of thousands of people.
Kevin: Yeah, but it still doesn't answer why they didn't do more.
Andrew: You mean the teachers?
Jamie: Dumbledore could have stopped it, yeah.
Andrew: Well, Dumbledore could have been under the assumption that Snape had it under control.
Jamie: He wouldn't leave it to chance. There's no way Dumbledore would leave something like that to chance. He'd have to intervene just to make sure that Harry was safe.
Andrew: Well, would two people doing the curse Snape was doing - or, the counter-curse Snape was doing...
Andrew: ...could have taken it off any faster?
Kevin: It's not only that, Andrew. The fact that they didn't try to catch the person who was doing it...
Kevin: They just completely disregarded the person doing it.
Eric: "Okay, if it does throw him off, we'll catch him," there's nothing like that.
Andrew: That's true.
Eric: But, I was worried because Hagrid's saying this whole thing about "Oh, it can't be any students because only dark magic can effect the broom." Do you think they're a little bit careless about that or they're a little bit more ignorant like - I mean, in Book 2, Dobby takes the whole Bludger and bewitches that to kill Harry.
Jamie: Well, the thing is, here he didn't actually fall off. He wasn't actually hurt. I mean, as soon as he got back on he just came down to the ground and caught the Snitch. So, I mean do you think if you're angry, that anger can sort of like, go into your broomstick and - and how you fly and that kind of thing. Perhaps they just thought that he was having a bad time flying out there, and after he controlled himself, he got back up on the broom and went down and caught the Snitch. And only the people who saw Snape and Quirrell - or that kind of thing, knew the whole story?
Eric: What's your question? Like, do you think he's like "I hate this game, I hate this sport!" and suddenly his broom like, stops functioning or similar. Like if he were to say, "I don't want to be playing this game," so then his broom stops.
Jamie: No, no. No, no, no, no. But it's like if you - if you're doing magic, yeah? And you're influenced by emotion - that emotion projects itself onto your magic. Like in the...
Kevin: Oh, that's true. Yeah.
Jamie: Like in the - after Snape kills Dumbledore, Harry's actions and his use of magic is influenced by how he's feeling, and I'd imagine that spells are more powerful when influenced by emotion. I mean, I don't want to draw parallels to Star Wars.
[Kevin and Eric Laugh]
Jamie: Well, actually...
Eric: I'd like to. Actually I would like it very, very much. [laughs]
Jamie: [laughs] I'd absolutely love it. I was just thinking about like, the sort of dark Jedi - the Sith versus the good Jedi. How some believe that emotion and power and greed help fuel your - help fuel your personal power. Whereas the Jedi believe that it's self-help, meditation, calming yourself and true life is the real power.
Eric: And it is through hatred. Yeah.
Jamie: And it just comes down...
Eric: I mean, it's through hatred that Luke is like...
Eric: ...you know, striking and eventually cuts off his father's arm. It's through letting...
Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And I just don't know if like, if you cast stronger spells if you are calm and if you can concentrate fully or if your emotion can help channel your power and just make it stronger, and I just don't know if that can be put into the broomstick.
Eric: But then I'm wondering what's he thinking about that's making his broomstick stop? Like, what emotions would Harry have that would then prevent him from flying? Like, I don't think - that's the last thing he'd want his broom to do is to stop working.
Jamie: Oh no. I mean, I completely agree, but people could just put it down to that. People who don't know him that well could just think he's a bad flyer, he isn't flying that well, he can't control his broom. You know?
Laura: Yeah, that's actually what I was going to say. I think Jo made a point of stating early in the chapter that Wood wanted to keep Harry a secret so not that many people had seen him fly.
Jamie: Yeah, that's true.
Laura: And I see Quirrell as taking advantage of the fact that not many people had seen him and he was also a first-year and a new flyer, so that people might think that he had no clue what he was doing.
Eric: I never thought about that. And up until then he wasn't even really flying at all. He was just kind of - he did like, one swoop because in the beginning, the game was just standing up and then he went to swoop and then he kind of...
Laura: Well, there was Quidditch practice, but we don't see that actually in the book.
Eric: Right. And Wood was trying to keep Harry a secret. I think that's cool.
Andrew: So, what's up with these broomsticks? Do they - what other enchantments are on these things? Because Hagrid says - I lost the quote.
Eric: "'Can't nothing interfere with a broomstick except powerful Dark magic - no kid...'" you know?
Andrew: Yeah. Right.
Eric: So, this whole thing about, "Oh yeah. We don't need to worry about the Bludgers because only strong magic bewitches them to kill Harry" and "Oh, we don't need to worry about the broomsticks because only powerful..." And it's like, dark magic is here. Dobby completely messed with the Bludger.
Jamie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Eric: I just don't think they give enough credit to the fact that the strong magic stuff - they think, like their, broomsticks and their Bludgers and their Quidditch stuff is all so protected, but here it is being abused.
Jamie: Yeah. It's too generic, too. It's like, these spells that keep the broomsticks safe from dark magic - I mean, according to this must be like, public knowledge.
Jamie: So, it isn't like these broomsticks have been specially overhauled by Dumbledore so that they can protect against dark magic. You know, it's actually - you're saying, Eric, these people think that normal everyday magic is more powerful than the most powerful dark magic, and I think it just foreshadows that even in the later books, people's faith in the good side, as it were - oh no, one more Star Wars parallel - isn't as founded as they really think it is.
Kevin: Now, now that quote, was it referring to Harry's broom specifically...
Eric: Yeah. It was. Because...
Kevin: ...or was it brooms in general?
Andrew: Well, brooms in general, too.
Eric: Okay, so well, because Seamus - well, yeah it is. But Seamus was just asking like, what happened - did something happen when Flint hit him and Hagrid's like, "No, nothing can stop a broom except for dark magic."
Jamie: Also, slightly further on - Eric, I'm sure you can elaborate slightly on this - one of the rules of Harry Potter, according to Galadriel Waters' book, is that Hermione is always right apart from when she gets emotional? Is that right?
Eric: Well, I would say she's emotional.
Jamie: One kind of, you know, rule. And - no but she says, "'So why did he just try and kill Harry?' cried Hermione." She seems pretty emotional to me. I mean, I don't know, I just assume that.
Jamie: And then - and obviously he didn't just try and kill Harry, so it could just be Jo setting up a kind of, you know, running septology thing there.
Eric: Wait. What page, what page, what page?
Jamie: It's pg. 141 in the UK edition.
Andrew: Oh, that's further. That's towards the end. 192, Eric.
Eric: Hmmm. So wait, what does this prove? If she's being emotional.
Jamie: Just that she's wrong.
Laura: That she's wrong.
Jamie: She's completely wrong there. Everything she said there is completely wrong. She says, "So why did he try and kill Harry?" He didn't try and kill him. She says, "I know a jinx when I see one," and it wasn't a jinx, it was a counter-jinx, counter-charm, whatever. "I read all about them!" So it's just that - it's setting it up.
Eric: Yeah, it's a reinforcement of - I mean, that definitely proves by that, "Why didn't he just try and kill Harry?" that she's emotional at that point.
Eric: So, I think it's a great indicator, too, that if she's emotional, then what she's saying is likely to be untrue or she's likely to be wrong. In which case, she is.
Eric: Which is why I like Galadriel Waters' books...
Jamie: Shameless plug.
Eric: ...but that's okay.
Laura: Yeah, that's interesting, though. Do you guys think that she would fare well in a duel because of the fact that when she gets emotional, she doesn't think straight?
Jamie: I think she'd keep her head in a duel, to be honest. I don't think she'd get emotional.
Eric: She can compartmentalize, I think. Kind of like Snape, but I'm not going to make that parallel but you've seen...
Jamie: But you'd love to, right?
Eric: But, [laughs] I would love to.
Eric: No. In the DADA and stuff like that, when she's practicing, when she's doing things and Patronuses - even though she was angry at Ron in Half Blood Prince, even, she was able to send a flock of birds at him. She can still...
Eric: She can still concentrate enough to...
Jamie: Yeah, that's true.
Eric: ...okay, spell time. And she knows she's using the birds thing to get back at Ron and she's highly emotional at that point, but she can still conjure magic and still do certain things.
Laura: Yeah, but don't you think - excuse me - don't you think that's a bit different, though? For instance, if she had been at that point in the Department of Mysteries when Sirius fell through the veil, do you think she would have been able to keep her cool?
Laura: If she'd been there when Snape AK-ed Dumbledore, do you think she would've been able to keep her head?
Eric: I think it would have been in the same kind of thing that Harry has, where he, like [gasps], you know, big gasp, and then he has to fight.
Jamie: His stomach lurched.
Eric: He has to do what he has to do. Where he's like, "Oh my god." There's that point where he's like, "Oh, my god, Sirius is gone." But he still, he just - it immediately went out of his mind right after that initial shock. He was still, you know, emotionally distraught. It was in his veins; it was in everything around him, but he still brought himself to concentrate. Everything became clear, and he was swift, and he thought of - he dodged all those spells coming at him. It just really enhanced his perception, and he was able to focus, and I think that even though Hermione might be caught up in the moment and ready to cry, tears might be streaming, but I think she'd still - I think that would help enhance her senses. I think even though she'd be emotional, I think that would just - I think she'd still be able to - she wouldn't just collapse on the floor and cry if everybody is attacking her.
Laura: No, I don't think she would do that, either.
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