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Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: Because Mom won't let you go out and play, this is MuggleCast - Episode 38 for May 07th, 2006!

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Hi everyone, and welcome back to the show! I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: [singing] Micah is back.

Laura: Yay!

Eric: [singing] The King has returned.

Andrew: Micah, it's been so long I can't even - I almost forgot your voice.

Micah: How could you forget my voice?

Andrew: Ah, because - no reason.

Micah: I'm sure Ben didn't forget my voice. [laughs]

Ben: I'd never forget his voice, man.

Eric: Seeing as he reminds himself by imitating it every week.

Andrew: All right, well we have a jam-packed show for you this week and - oh, we're even changing things up a bit, again. It's that time again, laughs] I think. Before we go anywhere else, first let's check in with Micah Tannenbaum for the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.


Micah: MuggleNet is proud to present its newest affiliate in the actors site network - Headed by staffers Jess, Elysa, Rachel and some girl named Laura, it will be bringing you the latest news and updates on everyone's favorite Slytherin as well as Order of the Phoenix filming news. So head over to the site right now and check it out.

JK Rowling has emerged victorious in a privacy suit against the Daily Express. Jo and her husband Neil recently sued over the publication of their son David's picture. Regarding the case, Jo said, "I am delighted that my children’s right to privacy has been recognized by the Daily Express. Neil and I will continue to protect that right, on our children’s behalf, as vigorously as possible."

British newspapers are now forbidden "from photographing the children of celebrities in many situations." Rowling has previously succeeded in privacy complaints over publication of photographs of her daughter.

Nintendo Power, the official magazine of the video game giant Nintendo, revealed in its most recent issue that Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire was the top-selling game for GameBoy Advance in April.

This surprisingly high ranking comes as the Goblet video games turn six months old on May 10th.

At Collectormania 9 yesterday, James and Oliver Phelps spoke a little to CBBC Newsround. With regard to filming the Order of the Phoenix movie, James said that that filming is going really well and it's really good fun, while Oliver added that they've met a few of the new actors to join the cast and they seem really cool and they're looking forward to working with them. They also discussed the fan attention they receive because of the Harry Potter films.

Both and AOL Moviefone have posted interviews with Rupert Grint and Jeremy Brock, director of Driving Lessons, that were conducted at the Tribeca Film Festival. To see and/or read the full interviews head on over to Additionally, you can see pictures of Rupert from the premiere as well as pictures of Alan Rickman who was at the Festival to promote his new movie, Snow Cake.

That's all the news for this May 07th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.


Andrew: All right, now let's get on to a couple of announcements here. Don't forget - [laughs] buy a MuggleCast t-shirt.

Eric: Why must they buy a MuggleCast t-shirt? Well, because poverty is a Horcrux! That's right! Poverty as we know it is a Horcrux and therefore must be stopped. Buy an MC tee and defeat Voldemort. Also, as a result of hasty agreement between us and JKR, a portion of our MuggleCast t-shirt revenue goes to supplying JKR with lined paper for her home in Edinburgh. You all heard what happened when she ran out - Book 7 was almost delayed a year for that. Buy a MuggleCast t-shirt and supply JKR with lined-paper. Thank you!

Andrew: I re-read that little entry on her site the other day, and I was thinking, "Ha! We should have started a little drive for JKR."

[Andrew, Eric, and Laura laugh]

Andrew: "Submit your paper." And we would just sent her this box load of paper sent in from everyone.

[Andrew and Eric laughs]

Ben: You know, it's not like she doesn't have the money for more.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah.

[Ben laughs]

Eric: But the fact is that it's donated from us.

National Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Day

Andrew: All right, so starting this week on Episode 38 we are commencing a new contest. Now, we have been working on this one for some time and it's going to be huge and it's going to change the way the world looks for a day.

Eric: Literally. Literally. Literally.

Andrew: Nobody knows this, but - I didn't the other co-hosts here, but I've actually been working with Congress and President Bush on this one.

Ben: [laughs] Oh yeah!

Andrew: We've been working on this bill to get a certain day claimed, "Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Day." And I am very pleased, proud, and excited [Ben laughs] to announce today that we are [laughs] indeed - we have it signed off. The bill was signed by Congress - June 02nd of every year, from here on out, will be "National Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Day." And I know what you're thinking, it means well what on Earth does it mean? If you didn't get it from that tile, then you should just stop listening to the show.

Eric: Just quit. Just unsubscribe from iTunes.

Andrew: But on June 02nd, we want everyone to wear your MuggleCast shirt. That's a Friday! It's dress-down days at your local work or school. You have no excuse. "Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Day" is going to be where everyone who purchased a MuggleCast shirt, to wear it out and support [in a high-pitched voice] the show. And what we're going to do - we're going to turn this into a contest. Everyone, including us, we're all going to wear our MuggleCast t-shirts and we're going to take a picture of ourselves somewhere in public, be it a McDonald's or your school or you library or some sidewalk or wherever. Just some place - some public place where there is lots of people. Take a picture of yourself wearing a MuggleCast t-shirt. Send it in to an address we'll give you later on and one of five people will be randomly selected to get an early-release MuggleCast Lumos Vegas 2006 t-shirt, which is awesome! Right, everyone?

Micah: Yep!

Eric: Yes!

Laura: Yeah, I really like the design!

Ben: So incredible! Visit for exclusives.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No, we're not showing this to anyone. This is going to be a super-secret shirt. These five winners who get it, you're going to get it like - you're going to get it a couple weeks before Lumos. So, only you guys will be able to see the shirt. And when we first saw it, we were just like, "Whoa!"

Laura: I squeed.

Andrew: It is really - yeah, it is a sweet design. Yeah, these are only going to be on sale at Lumos. Or we're going to give them away, but we're going to give everyone else a chance to get the shirt. So, we'll talk about this in a couple of future shows, but for now, "National Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Day" is on June 02nd. Order now, and we can someone guarantee you're going to get it in time. [laughs]

And I forgot one last final reminder. It is the top of the month, so do not forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. We're No. 8 right now. [fakes crying] Usually, we're No. 1. Last month we were No. 1 by a couple hundred votes. So, that's great and we love beating these podcasts that think Harry Potter is a joke because then we get hate from their listeners and I enjoy reading it. So...

Ben: Me too.

Andrew: Don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. Just go to and on the "Listener To-Do List," it says "Vote For Us On Podcast Alley" or something.

Listener Rebuttal - Nonverbal Spells

Listener rebuttals are back this week.

Ben: This is Patrick Tierney from [mispronounces] Pawtucket - wherever that is.

Andrew: Pawtucket. Pawtucket.

Ben: Pawtucket, okay.

Is it possible with non-verbal spells to think one spell, but verbally say another? For instance, could Snape had cast the spell "Expelliarmus" when he verbally said "Avada Kedavra"

Ben: On they actually bring that up, and they say that since in the book there is an emphasis on wandless magic that that could possibly be what it is. I don't see why you couldn't, but I don't know. Couldn't they be sort of conflicting? How would the wand or whatever know which spell you were intending to cast - that's the only thing.

Andrew: Well, could there be a priority system - whereas the non-verbal spell would take priority over the verbal spell?

Listener Rebuttal - Legilimency

Ben: That's a good question, Andrew. Our next listener rebutt- rebutter- [laughs] rebuttal comes from Allyson, 15, from New Jersey. Only gross people come from that state. [clears throat]

Andrew: Representin'.

Ben: [laughs]

Last week you guys spoke about why Legilimency was never mentioned in the first four books. I understand and agree with your practical answer that Harry simply hadn't encountered it, or maybe that JKR hadn't thought of it yet. However, there is one line in the first book that hints strongly to Legilimency, and I was wondering if you guys thought that JKR could have possibly been implying that. On pg. 221 in the US edition, it says, "Potions lessons were turning into a sort of weekly torture, Snape was so horrible to Harry. Could Snape possibly know they'd found out about the Sorcerer's Stone? Harry didn't see how he could - yet he sometimes had the horrible feeling that Snape could read minds. When I read that, I immediately thought of Legilimency and got really excited! Also, the fact that JKR ended a section with this thought and didn't simply throw it out in the middle of a paragraph could hint that it really WAS Legilimency. I'd love! to hear what you guys think. Thanks!

Ben: I agree that it was. I think that it makes perfect sense because it's sort of foreshadowing that that's going to happen, and then after we read Book 5, we saw that....

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: ...that Snape was an accomplished Legilimens. [tries to pronounce it]

Eric: [laughs and mocks Ben] Legimumumumumumum. I think when we originally talked about - when I mentioned that hadn't been brought up earlier, I also said that it was heavily implied, or at least I thought I did or I was thinking about it. I was mindful of how they always said that everybody could read minds except the sharp difference was that Harry didn't re-live his memories whenever Snape or Dumbledore - Dumbledore often read Harry's mind too in the first few books. Especially in Chamber of Secrets, when trying to determine if he was telling Harry the truth, when that was all he wanted to tell him, that kind of stuff. It was overplayed in the books and the movies. It just didn't seem to be the same exact thing as Legilimency. Which is what confused me.

Listener Rebuttal - Morfin Gaunt

Ben: But I think that that's what it really turned out to be, but, our next listener rebuttal comes from Virginia.

You forgot to mention about how Merope's brother had his memory modified by Tom M. Riddle/Voldemort. When Dumbledore and Harry were seeing Morphin's memory in the Pensieve, his memory sort of goes poof. That, in some point, he started to believe he killed the Muggle but he actually didn't. And note that Dumbledore told this to Harry and it did not appear in the memory. Does anyone understand what that's saying?

Eric: Yeah, I did. I did. I think it's accurate that we completely just didn't mention that and completely forgot about it - how Morphin does have his memory completely changed by Tom Riddle. And I think that just emphasizes the - I think Dumbledore said something like it took many strong wizards to actually pry into his mind and reveal the truth. The same thing - I mean Voldemort said that with Bertha Jorkins. How far - deep they'd have to pry to get the truth out would probably destroy her. But that just kind of shows, I think that, Pensieves are less accurate then we could hope they were, and that they can be fooled, I think. Even though they're omnipresent. Even though you can go in and kind of look around and be a third party, I think at the same time it has to relate to the person and the person's memory can be fake, and stuff like that. So...

Laura: Well, of course because they pull that memory from their mind so it's definitely going to be bias toward them.

Andrew: But for some reason - was it last week's show that we were talking? No, no, Episode 36 I think it was, we were talking about this. And Jamie was saying that it's the absolute truth, but then the rest of us were saying, "Well no, it's the truth in their mind."

Laura: Weren't we talking about Veritaserum? It seems like...

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Not the Pensieve.

Andrew: Yeah, but that's what this relates, too.

Eric: Yeah, we made the mention...

Andrew: Isn't that how this discussion got started?

Laura: I think that the Pensieve is more subjective and Veritaserum is not.

Ben: No, no, no it's not subjective because Emerson asked - Emerson asked Jo in the interview he conducted when he went to her house or whatever, and she said that the memories aren't bias towards the person's point-of-view. And he said that he had thought that because it makes sense...

Laura: Oh, did she?

Ben: Yeah, so that's the only reason why.

Laura: All right, proven wrong. My apologies.

Ben: No, I wasn't trying to do it snidely, I'm just saying.

Eric: The Pensieve is a lot more - a lot less subjective because you can actually walk around in it. I think Dumbledore said at one point that was the magic of the Pensieve, that you could go back and view your memory, yes primarily as you remembered it, but also you could walk around a little bit and kind of see what else was going on. And also, tying in Book 6 when they're following the guy around, they kind of have to follow him, but at the same time they have the beauty of standing beside him when he's getting attacked by the Gaunts, instead of living inside his head or something like that.

Andrew: That wraps up this weeks listener rebuttals. Remember if you have anything to disagree about concerning what we talked about on this week's show, don't forget to e-mail it to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com and you will be on the show. Well, we'll say your name.

Ben: Maybe.

Andrew: Isn't that cool? Saying your name. [Ben laughs]

Andrew: Don't you like it? Mary? 300 Marys just went, "Oh my god!"

Ben: Ben, this is for all the Ben's out there. Ben. Ben. Ben. [Everyone laughs]

Character Discussion: Mad-Eye Moody

Andrew: All right, well, this week we are going to change things up a bit because we've taken your listener feedback into consideration and the general consensus is that: people enjoy the Chapter-by-Chapter, but people are missing the Character Discussion. So, we decided starting this week, we're going to begin putting both of them into each show. So, we're going to cut down on the length of Chapter-by-Chapter...

Eric: Kind of.

Andrew: ...just a little bit. We're going to turn it into a weekly segment. Yeah, just a little bit. And then two weeks a month we're going to do a Character Discussion, which we're going to do in a moment. And then the other two weeks we're going to do something generally related to Harry Potter, maybe something going on in the news lately. It's going to be a main discussion that's basically miscellaneous. It could really relate to anything. I just want to applaud Character Discussion, how much I've missed ye. Let's see, Episode 30 was the last time we did it? And...

Micah: It's been a while.

Laura: Yeah. I think so.

Andrew: So, this week we're going to do Mad-Eye Moody. Moody gains his nickname from the magic eye that gives him a distinctly unsettling appearance. While one of his eyes is small, dark, beady, and relatively normal, the other is large, perfectly round, and a vividly - vivid shade of blue. While his real eye behaves normally, the magic eye is unblinking and constantly rotating, taking in everything around it. Moody also has part of one leg missing, which has been replaced with a wooden stump. Underneath his thick mane of dark gray hair, his face is a little more than mismatch of intersecting scars. A large chunk of his nose is also missing. All these things are products of his time spent being an Auror, and a testimony to his countless fights with the agents of Lord Voldemort. So, he makes his grand appearance in Goblet of Fire, [gasps] or does he?

Ben: No, he doesn't. We know he doesn't. [laughs]

Name Origin: Alastor

Andrew: He lied to me. Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. What does Alastor mean?

Micah: Oh, Alastor? [corrects him on the saying]

Andrew: Alastor. [laughs] Whatever.

Ben: Alastor.

Micah: Actually, I run the Name Origins section, so I figured that...

Andrew: Oh, this is a perfect question to pose to you.

Micah: It is.

Andrew: What is that at? I'm thinking.

Micah: It's /books/name_origin...oranges - [laughs] origins.

Andrew: I forgot MuggleNet was organized. I thought we just threw everything in the room.

Eric: We used to.

Micah: His name actually means "defender of mankind," which is interesting considering he's an Auror.

Laura: That is. Actually, also whenever I went and looked up the name...

[Micah laughs]

Laura: ...on a different site - I actually can't remember now. It said that it meant - that Alastor was actually...

Eric: Way to credit your source.

Laura: I know, I'm so good at that. Anyway, that Alastor was a demon, and it stood for "tormenting spirit or nemesis."

Eric: Well, whoever wrote that was clearly smoking crack. Okay, continuing.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: No, no, no - I think that it could have something to do with the fact that he's someone the Death Eaters are afraid of.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And that sort of represents him in Book 4 towards the end.

Eric: And in Movie 4 when he comes in and the whole Great Hall and storms and it's like big plot point. No.

The Magic Eye

Andrew: So, he gets his nickname Mad-Eye from that large, disgusting - well not disgusting, sort of disgusting - eye that he's got.

Ben: That's cool man.

Andrew: Where did he get that eye from?

Ben: Probably the Ministry.

Andrew: No Ben, where'd he get it from?

Ben: The Ministry. Because when he got his eye gouged out or whatever - how he lost it...

Eric: It's standard issue.

Ben: No, man. It's probably that when after he got his eye gouged out, that the Ministry said, "This is a perfect opportunity to give him something that can help him advance in his profession." So, they gave him the eye so that he could see through things. Man, Andrew, wouldn't it be cool to have that eye, though?

Andrew: If you're a perv then yeah, maybe.

Ben: [laughs] Oh, okay, I wasn't talking...

Andrew: I don't know, you'd be seeing too much. I'd be seeing things I would not want to see.

Eric: I guess Ben's suggesting it as some kind of standard-issue eye. Like James Bond has his Astin Martin and then Moody has his standard eye, but I think it was something that Moody would have pursued more to get in replace of his eye then the Ministry wouldn't be like, "Here, have this." I mean, as far as we know, his name is Mad-Eye Moody. I mean you don't see - you don't hear about this "Mad-Eye Joey" coming out of South Bronx or anything like that. There's no Mad-Eye Joey who has an eye. I think Moody is like the only one who's got to have this eye. So, I think it's very unlikely that it's standard issue or anything like that - anything of the sort. I think it's very unique and I think Moody...

Ben: Yeah, I never said it was standard-issue. So, I don't know where you came up with that from.

Eric: Well, I mean, you're saying that the Ministry supplied it to him and unless somebody really cared about, "Hey, how can we enhance this guy?" I just see it as something Moody would have pursued getting for himself as a replacement to better enhance - to help him catch people.

Laura: Well, I think what Ben is kind of saying is that it's possible that the eyes could be kind of like Time-Turners, for instance. Not everyone can have a Time-Turner. You have to be really special or have a really specific reason to have one. So, seeing as Moody is one of the best Aurors that the Ministry's ever had, it's entirely possible that they could have provided him with that.

Ben: I agree.

Andrew: Are there additional eyes out there, though? Like, shouldn't they be giving these to more people who they could serve a purpose for.

Ben: I have a whole closetful, actually. [laughs]

Laura: Well, how many Aurors get their eyes popped out?

Andrew: Well, it might be a nice upgrade. [laughs] All right, seriously, think about it.

Laura: [laughs] Oh, you're such a nerd. Okay...

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