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Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast - Episode 39 for May 15th, 2006. [in whiny voice pretending to cry] I know it's late. Please don't hurt me!

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Ben: Hello, everyone. Welcome to MuggleCast - the show where we bring you everything Harry Potter from discussions, theories, facts, prophecies, Snape, Horcruxes, JK Rowling, and Dumbledore. [laughs]

Andrew: [in weird voice] Yay!

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Andrew: [laughs] I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull and I suck at intros.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in the MuggleCast NewsCenter with the latest...

Ben: Harry Potter news.


Micah: Jo Rowling's recent response to the criticism she received from the media about her "For girls only, probably..." article has been covered by several British newspapers. Although many newspapers criticized her piece, the media are only focusing on The Mail on Sunday's article, which we highlighted. The story has been covered by The London Times, The Daily Mail, Sky News and more.

As mentioned a few weeks ago, HPANA reported that Nicholas Hooper will be composing the soundtrack for the next Harry Potter movie, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Warner Bros. confirmed Friday to Film Music Radio that he will indeed be scoring the soundtrack for the fifth film.

In 2004, Hooper won the BAFTA for Best Original Score and was nominated several other times for the prestigious awards.

To launch their "Summer Reading Buzz!" program which encourages children to read at least six books over the summer, Scholastic, publisher of the US Harry Potter books, has invited a panel of authors, book professionals, and aspiring writers to their headquarters to discuss the children's book publishing industry. The panel includes the editor of the American Harry Potter series, Arthur Levine, and in a segment called "The JK Rowling Phenomenon," he discusses how Jo became successful. You can watch the video of the interview over on

Over the past few weeks, a woman in Gwinnett County, Georgia has been fighting her child's school district to remove Potter books from the schools within the district. We've learned that her attempt has failed, and the books will indeed remain in libraries. The full article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution can viewed over on

The Goblet of Fire DVD has placed in the Guinness World Records for being the fastest selling DVD ever.

The DVD sold five million copies on release day alone. A certificate to recognize this special honor was presented to Dan Radcliffe on set of Order of the Phoenix last month. Comments from the Potter actor, including a photo, will be in the 2007 Guinness Book of World Records.

And speaking of Dan Radcliffe, he and Emma Watson both received top awards at the 2006 German Bravo Otto Awards. Dan won the Male Moviestar category and Emma took home top honors in the Female Moviestar category.

Warner Bros. is once again trying to tackle Internet movie piracy by signing a deal with BitTorrent which will allow consumers to download hundreds of WB productions legally. TV shows will start off at a price of around $1.00 with full-length movies costing roughly the same as a DVD rental.

And Emma Thompson will be back in Order of the Phoenix movie as Professor Sybil Trelawney. She shot some of her scenes just last week. Also, we've been told that as the Knight Bus is "in bits," it won't be making an appearance in this film.

The New York Times reported earlier this week that JK Rowling will be in New York City this August for a charity book reading. Jo will be at Radio City Music Hall in the company of authors Stephen King and John Irving.

Money raised through tickets will be donated to Doctors Without Borders and the Haven Foundation, which benefits "artists who suffered from illness or accidents." Tickets range from $12.50 - $100.00, but there also is family packages costing $1,000 that include four orchestra seats and a signed book from each author. Jo will be reading on the nights of August 01st and August 02nd. Tickets are still on sale now and are limited to eight per person.

And just four days after Lumos, the Leaky Mug crew will be in NYC for this event hosting a podcast on August 02nd. For more information listen to the most recent Leaky Mug.

And there is also a variety of updates to Jo's site, including a thank-you to MuggleNet's Andy for his response to the criticism of Jo's weight-obsessed article. The Harry Potter author said Andy saved her time enough to write a half-chapter of the seventh book.

That's all the news for the May 14th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Happy Mother's Day! Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah.


Andrew: Ah, let's see... Ah, there's so - this has been such a good Harry Potter week.

Ben: Oh, it's been beautiful.

Andrew: Let's get to a couple of announcements first. [laughs] Actually, we only got one announcement for you anymore. Let's just not even call it announcements anymore, let's just call it MuggleCast t-shirt time.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: Don't forget everyone, buy your MuggleCast t-shirt because National Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Day is only a few weeks away on June 02nd. We talked with our shirt provider this week and he said that the deadline to order your shirts is May 23rd, coincidentally my birthday. [mockingly coughs] Presents can be mailed to the MuggleCast PO Box, Attention: Andrew Sims.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: The absolute...

Ben: And I will keep them. And they will remain in my closet until a year from now.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: The absolute deadline for ordering your shirts is May 26th, but our shirt provider guarantees them if you order them by May 23rd, they are guaranteed. Our shirt provider is Sam actually quit his day job recently to - he's full-time t-shirt extraordinaire.

Ben: Profession.

Andrew: Yeah - man, guy, dude. So, please visit - they create some excellent shirts as you've seen. And don't forget that National Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Contest...

Ben: That's coming up pretty soon, but Andrew, I have a question - I have a question for you. Why is it just National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day, why not National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Month?

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Ohhh.

Ben: Where you wear the same t-shirt everyday for a month.

Andrew: Because well, that would be kind of gross, but we want to focus it all on one day. We want the Americans to see everyone wearing their MuggleCast t-shirts. It was like that Immigration Day. You know, if it was Immigration Month, then they would have just taken off whenever. Remember, like two Fridays ago?

Ben: Oh yeah. I see.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Or two Mondays ago? You know what I mean?

Ben: Yeah, so it's more of a concentrated effort.

Andrew: Right, exactly. The deal with National Wear Your MuggleCast Shirt Day is that is that everyone wears their MuggleCast shirts on June 02nd, send in a picture of you wearing your shirt somewhere out in public, e-mail it in. We'll randomly select five people who send in their pictures and they will an exclusive MuggleCast LIVE in Las Vegas t-shirt, which is absolutely fantastic. And they will be the first five people to see them and wear them. They might get it before we do. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah. [laughs]

Listener Rebuttal - House Points

Andrew: We have one listener rebuttal for everyone this week because we've got a lot to get to. This one comes from Kelly, 21, of Tennessee. This is in regard to a discussion we were having the other day as - concerning how everyone knows how many House Points each House has. So, Kelly writes:

You guys were talking the other day (Episode 36) about how House Points are posted, and I just thought I'd let you know that on pg. 853 of the US edition of Order of the Phoenix, it says, "'So thatís fifty each for Potter, the two Weasleys, Longbottom, and Miss Granger,' said Professor McGonagall, and a shower of rubies fell down into the bottom bulb of Gryffindor's hourglass as she spoke."

Andrew: Now, come to think of it, I do remember seeing these in the movies.

Ben: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Jo Returns To NYC

Andrew: All right, so moving on. We don't do this very often, but this week we are going to discuss a little news that's happening, because it so big and we are really excited for several reasons.

Ben: And proud.

Andrew: We're proud, we're excited, we're thrilled and honored.

Ben: Everything.

[Laura and Ben laugh]

Andrew: You name it, we are it!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Is that proper grammar? Someone correct me.

Ben: Where's Emily when you need her?

Andrew: So this week... Yeah! This week - let's see it was late Tuesday night, the New York Times posted a story saying that JK Rowling would be in New York City for the first time in six years. Not New York City the first time in six years, but the United States. This is the first time she has been in the United States since six years ago and she will be joining Stephen King and John Irving for a benefit reading. And we were immediately thrilled to hear this because first of all, I'm just two hours away. Everyone else is - well no, Micah is right, practically right in the City.

Ben: I am - I am 1,300 miles away.

[Laura and Ben laugh]

Andrew: Oooh, fantastic.

Eric: I am somewhere in between there.

Andrew: And so...

Ben: Right next door. [laughs]

Andrew: So, what we are really excited about is we do plan on going to this right after Vegas. The timing is perfect for us because the LIVE podcast in Las Vegas Lumos 2006 is July 29th, I believe. We're coming home the 30th. Then right after that, it's straight up to New York City for this.

Ben: New York City, baby!

Andrew: So, what do you guys think? First time she has been here in six years.

Ben: Six years ago, I was a little tot. Six years ago I hadn't even been on a computer yet - there's to put it in perspective for you. Now I live on a computer.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Actually, I heard that Jo was going to wear her MuggleCast t-shirt to the event.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Maybe we should change the day to August 01st...

Laura: We should mail her one. We should mail her one and tell her she has to where it.

Andrew: Yeah. Let's do that.

Ben: I'm sure she would. She doesn't have anything better to wear.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Ben: I'm really excited. What book do you guys think she is going to read from? Probably Half-Blood Prince.

Laura: I would think Half-Blood Prince.

Ben: I'm actually pretty excited to see Stephen King too.

Laura: Yes! Ah, it's going to be awesome!

Andrew: What are some of the books that he has written?

Ben: Rita Hayworth and The Shawshank Redemption.

Laura: Carrie, The Shining.

Ben: There's a lot of them.

Andrew: So, of course we will be updating everyone on that over the next couple of weeks. Gosh, it's only - it's under three months away. [laughs] Yay!

Book 7 Discussion

Andrew: All right, now it's time for this week's general discussion. You might remember last week we started mixing it up a bit. Two weeks a month we will be doing general miscellaneous discussions about whatever the heck we want. Then the other two weeks, we will be doing character discussions. So this week, we will begin a new series that we'll be doing every, I guess, month or so. What we need to know in Harry Potter 7.

Ben: Oh, geez, I love this segment.

Andrew: Because - come on, man, it's all the rage now. Book 7, everyone wants to know. What's going to be happening? So, we have a few questions we're going to answer each week.

Godric's Hollow

Andrew: Who wants to lead this?

Ben: I will. Godric's Hollow. What information, do you think, needs to be gathered from there? What is there to learn about it? And what significance is it going to play to the plot of Harry Potter 7?

Micah: What's there? Is it a house? I mean...

Laura: Well, that's what it might be now.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Eric: I don't know what would make Harry think that they'd still be there.

Ben: That who'd still be there?

Eric: That Lily and James...

Micah: You said, Eric, you've had a problem with Godric's Hollow.

Eric: Yeah, Micah.

Micah: Don't you?

Eric: I have about 150 problems with Godric's Hollow.

Andrew: Name your biggest problem.

Ben: Yeah. [laughs] Don't say all 150.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: We know you want to..

Eric: Biggest problem, Harry shouldn't know as much as he seems to know about it.

Laura: What does he seem to know about it, though, apart from the fact that he and his parents lived there?

Eric: To me, it didn't seem like - I can recall any indication or any indication or any reason that Harry should have the indication that A) his parents would still be there. Buried there, and not necessarily under the house, just still residing there in whatever form. In a way it makes sense that they lived there they'd be buried there, but that again isn't something I'd think Harry - Harry just immediately said to Ron at the end of Book 6, "I'm going to Godric's Hollow, and I'm going to find everything about my parents and it's somehow going to lead me to Horcruxes, and that's where I'm going to start my search." And Ron's like "Okay, Yipdideedoda. Go ahead." But we have, like...

Ben: Are you sure that's not a fan fiction story? Did he actually say he was going to go there? Yeah, he did, didn't he? That's right.

Laura: Yeah, but he didn't say he was going to find out about Horcruxes there; he just said that that was were it all started so, it was probably the best place for him to start.

Ben: He's returning to his roots.

Eric: But, that isn't where it all started, though. It kind of is, like as far as the downfall of Voldemort, but...

Laura: That's where it all started for Harry, though.

Eric: But, what's he going to find after so many years - even if he can find the house? And there's going to be like - if there are Muggles in the area, I just don't know if he's going to be able to discover too many things. I don't think it's likely that somebody would leave him a trail of clues. Or even James, leaving him notes throughout the destroyed house to find something.

Laura: Eric, do you think he's necessarily going there to discover things? Because I thought it was entirely possible that that could have just been for him, for his own satisfaction. To go back to where he had lived and he's known about his history for the past six years and yet, he's never been to where it all went down. So, I think it's...

Ben: Well, he has but not...

Laura: Not in his immediate memory, however. He doesn't remember being there apart from the blinding flash of green light. So, I can see why'd he'd want to go back.

Eric: I agree. I think for personal reasons, it makes sense, but how's he going to get there? How is he even going to find it? The distinct impression that I got at the end of Book 6 was that he already knew where it was and what it was, and none of us do. Well...

Laura: Wouldn't Remus know where it was?

Ben: Not necessarily. He knew that his parents grew up there, and I'm sure plenty of people knew where it was because it's a famous site. It's where the one person who ever survived the Killing Curse - that's where it happened.

Eric: But, all I'm saying is, who'd he ask to find out where Godric's Hollow was and how did he find out and where is it?

Ben: We'll find out. We'll find that out in Book 7.

Eric: He knows. He's just like, "I'm going to go find Godric's Hollow now." And I'm like, "Well how do you know anything about Godric's Hollow?" We don't even know why it's called Godric's Hollow, if it has something to do with Gryffindor or not.

Ben: Okay, it's kind of like - oh geez, I'm so dumb. What the name of the village the Weasleys live in? Chipping Sodberry?

Laura: Like St. Ottery and Catchpole. Something like that.

Micah: Ottery St. Catchpole.

Ben: St. Catchpole!

Eric: Yes.

Ben: Yeah, St. Ottery Catchpole.

Eric: Catchpole. Ottery St. Catchpole.

Ben: Yeah, Ottery St. Catchpole.

Eric: St. Ottery Catchpole. [laughs]

Ben: It's kind like that for the Weasleys.

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: It's not like, "Oh my gosh, where did they come up Ottery St. Catchpole." It's just a name for a village.

Eric: So, you're saying you don't think it has anything to go with Godric Gryffindor, or what?

Ben: Well, there's probably some relation there, but I'm just saying that it's just the name of a village.

Laura: Well, would it be entirely improbable that there would be villages in Britain named after the four founders of Hogwarts?

Ben: No, but for all we know, there could be another Godric. Just like when people saw Mark Evans...

Laura: Yeah, exactly.

Ben: Evans automatically triggered that, "Oh geez, Lily Evans. There has to be some relation here." Then Jo shot that down. So with - in terms with Godric's Hollow, it may just be another coincidence, but in this case, I get the inkling that it's probably somehow relating to Godric Gryffindor. But I'm not sure.

Eric: There's still an open theory regarding James Potter that he might be or even that Harry might be the heir of Gryffindor.

Ben: Did Jo shoot that down?

Laura: Yeah. I thought she did.

Eric: Did she? Okay. What scares me is the fact that Harry might all of a sudden know things that he didn't learn in front of us, and that would really upset me because I think it would take away from his whole quest. If Jo zooms in on his quest like when he's midway through it and says out of nowhere all of this stuff that he learned how he's going to do this.

Ben: I don't see that happening. So...

Eric: I think it'd just take away from things. I think he needs to learn everything in front of us so that we can appreciate all of his knowledge and watch. I think it's the exemplar quest. It's like we're suppose to see how this is being done.

Ben: And I think that that's already happening. I don't think we have to worry about Harry gaining some inside information that we don't see because the book is written from his point of view. Go ahead, Micah.

Eric: Yeah, so it only makes sense. But the only mention of Godric's Gryffindor, I remember, is in Book 3 when Flitwick tells the story, and I don't even understand how Harry would be in the situation to remember that name, let alone understand that his parents are still there, or buried there, and that he's going to go seek it or know where it is.

Andrew: Hold on, just real quick. In - I'm going to play devil's advocate and say Godric's Hollow is a Muggle village, right?

Eric: Well, Muggles are there.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Or at least near.

Andrew: Why would they name it after Godric Gryffindor if it's a Muggle village and wizards aren't really known to be around there?

Eric: Well, wizards can have influence. It's not like you can't name something Spell Lane or Witchcraft Avenue. I'm sure there are some of those in the US...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: ...just Muggle inspiration. I'm just trying to think if they had to - I would imagine Godric Gryffindor among, above any of the other founders, as being a Muggle man. Kind of like Dumbledore.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Involving himself in the Muggles. Maybe he's famous in Muggle history; we just don't know.

Micah: Well, the one thing I was just going to say, real quick, was that you might just be assuming that just by him saying he wants to go back there, doesn't necessarily mean he knows exactly where it is.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: But he never said, "I'm going to find out where it is first." He's not like, "Okay, well I have to find somebody who knows where it is." Well, first of all, Sirius is dead. He's going to have to ask Hagrid I guess. If he finds it...

Laura: Or Remus.

Andrew: Or Remus.

Eric: Or Remus. I don't know.

Trio Returning To School?

Andrew: Next question here. Will Harry or any of the Trio ever return to school? We've talked about this numerous times, but maybe now...

Ben: And will the school even be open though? Let's consider that.

Andrew: Right. We can lay it to rest now.

Eric: They didn't close Hogwarts for the Chamber of Secrets, both times. They didn't close Hogwarts when Dumbledore was away in three of the books.

Andrew: Well, see school was going on then though.

Ben: Yes, and this has brought it to a whole new level.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: But, I personally think that Hogwarts will be open and I see - for some reason, I see Harry having to go alone on this one. I don't know.

Andrew: Going alone on what?

Ben: Well, on his little journey.

Andrew: Oh.

Ben: Not entirely alone, because if he tries to go solo he's going to lose, but I just see Ron or Hermione being at school at least part of the time. That's just how I foresee it.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah well, Hogwarts has always been the number one safe-haven for people - especially people afraid of Voldemort. We've always seen that Hogwarts has been there. It stayed open during Voldemort's reign the first time, presumably. I mean, there were all those seventh years who wouldn't have been seventh years if they - if the school just opened. Well, I guess they would have been, but it's I just think - I get the impression that Hogwarts was always open even when Voldemort reigned, even when Grindelwald was doing whatever he did, and it makes no sense to me that they would close it just... I mean, yes, they've lost a Headmaster, and yes, they've lost the best Headmaster they probably ever had or ever will have.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: But, Hogwarts has always been this beacon, not necessarily even of hope, but just it's been this school that's always been open no matter what. And it's had numerous inner insurgencies, where like all this inner-crap happens to it and the structure's ready to blow up, but Hogwarts has always stayed in there.

Ben: Something that I think is important to bring up is Dumbledore is the only man that Voldemort ever feared and now that he's been killed, it sort of makes sense that the rest of the wizarding community may be pretty upset about it. And so the only reason I think that Hogwarts will stay open is because it's kind of like America and how we all don't stay locked inside of our houses just because there was a terrorist attack on September 11th. Because we know the threat's there. The people in the Muggle world - not the Muggle world, but the wizarding world know the threat of Voldemort's there, but it's not going to hamper their everyday lives, and I don't see it hampering the everyday lives of students who are attending Hogwarts. Because that would completely defeat the purpose. That's letting Voldemort win in its own sense, so I don't think Jo will let that happen.

Andrew: Yeah, but in the past a lot of parents have voiced their concerns over keeping the school open.

Ben: Right, but that's when children were showing up petrified left and right.

Andrew: Yeah, but this is worse, isn't it? It could happen, you know?

Ben: I guess, because Death Eaters got into Hogwarts, but I see security being a lot tighter than it has been in the past. Back when Chamber of Secrets - not Chamber of Secrets, but Prisoner of Azkaban, when they started having Dementors on the lawn, out in the yard, guarding the castle doors, I see something, perhaps Ministry protection, full-time around the castle, just so students get their education. Because, imagine what that would do to magical education in general. Imagine if America suspended all schools for an entire year, then everyone would be behind. Or basically, it's indefinitely until Voldemort stopped or whatever. I imagine that some parents will keep their kids at home, but I think that Hogwarts will be open for those who still want to learn.

Eric: I agree and I think that's a nice parallel that Ben was making. Also, if - I just think it kind of sucks, if Hogwarts was safer when Dumbledore was alive than it is now, which I would be willing to bet that's true no matter what, even though Dumbledore and traces of Dumbledore might still be at Hogwarts, parents spent most of the time they had, where their kids were safe at school, they spent it disliking Dumbledore and discrediting him thanks to the Ministry. They spent their - their kids were going to his school more protected than they could be anywhere else in the world, and yet they were called upon to hate him and send in nasty owls about how he runs things and how he behaves. I just think it sucks that they had so little time to actually appreciate his headmastership.

Ben: Continuing with the terrorism analogy, after the United States was hit on September 11th, it basically made people ask the question afterwards - we started beefing up security and things like that. Are we truly any safer than we are before? And I feel that the wizarding world is going to have to ask themselves the same question, specifically with Hogwarts in terms of Dumbledore dying. Because after Dumbledore's dead, now they realize, "Oh crap, there's all these holes in the castle and all these loopholes that the Death Eaters can use to infiltrate it, so they're going to have to plug those and then find out exactly how safe they are. And, I think Hogwarts is probably safer now than it was in the past because they're starting to figure out, "Maybe we should scan the castle more and find out where all the cracks for people to get in are," pretty much.

Micah: Yeah, and I think his death could be a rallying point and possibly finally bring all of the houses together.

Eric: I like the idea of Hogwarts being together as one, especially in honor of or in the aftermath of Dumbledore's death, but I don't know if the Slytherins gave a crap, or that any of their families respect Dumbledore as much as the other houses' families would.

Ben: Whoa! Well, hold on. Eric, you're starting to sound stereotypical. Continuing with my wonderful terrorism analogy again, after September 11th, what happened is, the United States, all of the sudden, we had this stigma towards anyone that was part - that was Muslim, that appeared to be Muslim. And so it raises the question at Hogwarts, is anyone that's Slytherin automatically going to be considered a Death Eater, like they sort of are now?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Hagrid said, [continues in a deep "Hagrid" voice] "Any witch or wizard that hasn't been gone bad has always been in Slytherin." Which really doesn't make grammatical sense, but we all know what he's trying to say.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Nice impression.

Ben: And so, the point I'm trying to make is that I don't think it's fair for us to have this stereotype about Slytherins. You say, "Well, I don't think the Slytherin house really gave a crap." I'm sure there are some good Slytherins.

Micah: Right.

Ben: For example, Slughorn is Head of Slytherin house and personally, I like the guy. So, I don't think that...

Micah: Right. I think that's what's the biggest reasons for seeing unity in Book 7, is that he is the Head of House in Slytherin now.

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