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How Loyal is Lucius?

Ben: That's definitely true. Another thing is Lucius appears to be one of - well he, at one time, at least, he was one of the higher-ranking Death Eaters in Voldemort's circle. Do you still think that he was really faithful to Voldemort and it appears that he may have his own agenda for power. What do you guys think?

Jess: I agree with what Bellatrix said in the beginning of the sixth book - that if he were more loyal, he would've went to Azkaban for Voldemort.

Laura: Yeah, that's - that's really good. That's a - yeah, I like that. That's really good evidence. And I've always thought that Lucius is in it for his own personal gain, just because of how he's constantly over at the Ministry trying to get people to listen to what he says and how he's constantly pushing his opinion off on others and threatening that he's going to curse certain people's families if they don't vote to keep - or vote to kick Dumbledore out of the school. Not to mention the fact that he claimed he was under the Imperius Curse at the time that he was in Voldemort's inner circle and then all of a sudden, Voldemort comes back and he's like, "Oh no I made that up." So I think he's...

Ben: "I never denounced the old ways" or whatever.

Laura: Yes. I think that he's definitely in it for his own gain. Absolutely.

Ben: That - that really does make sense.

Jason Isaacs as Lucius

Ben: How do you guys think Jason Isaacs fits the role of Lucius Malfoy? When I - when we were in New York City for the Goblet of Fire premiere - after I walked out of the movie, he was actually right down the stairs and so I had a chance to sort of mingle with him...

[Andrew gasps]

Ben: ...and - well actually, Sue and John were hogging him.

Kevin: [laughs] Yeah, I saw that.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Sue ran up there and threw her - threw her arms around him...

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Aww. [laughs]

Ben: ...and gave her a - gave him a big kiss on the cheek. But I think he's - I think Jason Isaacs is definitely a good guy and I think that he does the role of Lucius extremely well.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah. I really enjoyed his role in The Patriot. I thought that was a great film and I can't remember what part he played exactly, but he was one of the - he was one of the bad guys.

Laura: I thought that he was the best part of that movie. [laughs] Really.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. He - he was really good. That was a great film.

Laura: I really think that there are certain actors within the Harry Potter movies - particularly the adult actors - who really just have these characters down, and they're exactly as I imagined them and Jason Isaacs is absolutely one of those actors. Whenever I saw him in the trailer for Chamber of Secrets, I about died of excitement. I was like, "This is Lucius. This definitely who he is," and I was so pumped to go see that movie because of that. And he absolutely lived up to my expectations.

Jess: Same here.

Ben: Okay. I think that wraps up our character discussion for this week. This - this segment will be back in two weeks. I don't know what we're doing next week. Andrew will have to fill you...

Andrew: I know. We're gonna have a party.

Ben: We're having a party. We're 41.

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Ben: Thanks to The Two-Way Mirror for some of these points concerning Luc - Lucius.

Spy on Spartz

Ben: Now changing pace a bit, it's time for everybody's favorite segment - Spy on Spartz. If you recall last week's show, each week Emerson decides not to answer his phone, we're going to reveal a digit of his phone number. Last week's digit was two.

Andrew: Ooh.

Ben: Let's see if Mr. Spartz is around this week.

[Phone rings]

Andrew: Oh, gosh, this is so exciting. [giggles]

Laura: I know. I can't contain my concitement. Excitement. I can't even talk. I'm so jittery.

Andrew: Can't even say it.

Laura: I think I'm gonna pee my pants. Oh my god.

Ben: Come on, Emerson.

[Emerson's voicemail picks up]

Ben: Uh-oh!

Andrew: Ohh. [laughs]

Ben: Big mistake.

Andrew: That's his voicemail, for all of you who don't know. All right.

Ben: Big mistake. One.

Andrew: Time for the second number.

Ben: Second digit...

[Andrew laughs]

[Ben's phone rings]

Ben: Uh-oh! Uh-oh! We have a call from Mr. Spartz. [Picks up phone] Hello? Hello? Hello?

Emerson: You there?

Ben: Speak up, dude. Can barely hear you.

Emerson: I'm inside a big building.

Ben: Oh really. What are you doing?

Emerson: I'm at the Hyatt in Indianapolis.

Ben: For what?

Emerson: To see Erinn.

Ben: A what?

Emerson: To see Erinn.

Ben: Oh. Aww. By the way, you're on MuggleCast right now. We're spying on Spartz.

[Kevin laughs]

Emerson: Yeah. Right.

Ben: No, I'm dead serious.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: There's this - there's this new segment we're doing where each week you don't answer your phone, we reveal a digit of your phone number. And so...

Emerson: Really?

Ben: Yeah. Last week - last week we gave out the two.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: And so - and we already gave out the one, so - and then you called back.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: So maybe we'll edit that out but - so what are you doing right now?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: So you're visiting old Erinn?

Emerson: That's actually a pretty good idea. [laughs]

Kevin: It's great, yeah.

Ben: Isn't that - isn't that an awesome segment?

[Andrew laughs]

Emerson: I always - I always answer my phone, though, so you're out of luck.

Ben: Aw. Well last week you didn't and - just the way...

Emerson: Got to go.

Ben: Okay, dude. I'll talk to you later.

Emerson: All right.

[Ben hangs up phone]

Kevin: He liked our idea.

Ben: That's Emerson, alright. This is his debut on - that's his MuggleCast debut.

Laura: Whoo.

Andrew: Yay!

Ben: I just - my life, guys - my life is now complete that Emerson has given his approval for our segment. Aw.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Andrew: Spy on Spartz is done. [laughs] We always though he didn't like it. That's why we did it.

Ben: Yup. So that was another wonderful Spy on Spartz.

Chapter by Chapter: Chapter 14

Ben: Well, we just threw a lot of analysis at you with old Lucius. Lucius, Loosus, Lossus, Luuucius Malfoy.

Kevin: [laughs] Did we.

Ben: Well, y'all ready for some more?

Andrew: Loquacious?

Ben: Loquacious. Luc...

Andrew: Uh, no. But okay.

Ben: You're not? Okay. Moving on to our chapter-by-chapter analysis. This week is Chapter 14 of Sorcerer's Stone.

Andrew: So, the chapter opens up with Hermione nagging Harry and Ron to get studying for their exams and then one day in the library, they spot Hagrid looking around for what we would assume to be books and he tells them to keep...

Ben: Hagrid doesn't know how to read.

Andrew: Well, that's what I was going to say. That was one of my points.

Laura: I don't think it was ever said Hagrid couldn't read.

Andrew: Well, let's get to that. Was it - is my mind being plagued by the movie again or did he also say in the book that, "I can't spell it."

Laura: Well, just 'cause you can't spell Voldemort doesn't mean you can't read. I mean, he...

Andrew: Well, you should. That's a pretty big name.

Laura: Well no, but...

Kevin: Yeah, but you have to remember, not many - not many people write down Voldemort. They write down...

Laura: He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.

Kevin: You know.

Ben: You-Know-Who.

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: You-know-who or stuff like that so not many people have seen the spelling of his name.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: [Imitating Hagrid] I don't know how to spell it.

Andrew: Mm. [laughs]

Laura: Well, he had a cake for Harry and it said "Happy Birthday, Harry" on it. So I mean, he must be able to read. Just 'cause he's not a good speller...

Andrew: Oh, that's true.

Jess: And he made it to what? His second year of school?

Laura: Yeah. Third year, third year, actually.

Jess: He would've failed if he didn't know how to read.

Ben: Yeah, that's - that's true. Jess brings up a good point.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: [Imitating Hagrid] Hagrid.

Andrew: Brownie points for Jess.

Laura: I love her.

Ben: [Still imitating Hagrid] Keeper of keys and games at Hogwarts.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So he tells them to keep quiet about the Sorcerer's Stone and then they see an egg behind his back and then Ron goes over to investigate where he was, and they realize he was in the dragon section looking for dragon books. Well, the trio goes to and - anyone feel free to stop me.

Kevin: Well, something caught my eye and I - it was around - at least, page 231 in my book. This is a ... what do you call it? It's not the hardcover.

Andrew: Paperback?

Ben: E-book?[laughs]

Kevin: Oh yeah.

Jess: Paperback?

Kevin: Yes, paperback. Sorry.

Andrew: [laughs] You don't know what to call it.

Kevin: Yeah. [laughs] Well, I don't read books that often. No, I'm kidding.

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: It was a joke, it was a joke.

Why Does Dumbledore Trust Hagrid?

Kevin: Okay - well, what caught my eye was Hagrid was sort of like, bragging about how much Dumbledore trusts him, and I realized that we did a lot of discussion about who or what could have Dumbledore done to leave a message for Harry. Is it possible that he left it with Hagrid? The reason I say it is because he - Hagrid - he did trust Hagrid with the keys. He did trust Hagrid with Fluffy.

Laura: But, at the same time, especially at that moment, when we see that Hermione can just sort of butter Hagrid up and get him to tell her things, kind of how easily manipulated he can be into giving information.

Kevin: Well, I was thinking about that, but my thoughts on that was who would think that Hagrid would hold that information?

Laura: That's true... Um, I think...

Kevin: Sort of like obscurity, like it's secure because no one would ever think that Dumbledore would give that information to Hagrid. The first person they would think is, you know, McGonagall.

Laura: That's true...

Kevin: ...or something like that.

Laura: I could see that happening. My only grievance with it is I think it's sort of along the lines of like, you know, who would expect to have a Horcrux in Dumbledore's office? It's like, no one really would, but it just - it almost seems too easy. I don't want Book 7 to be easy. [laughs] I don't know.

[Kevin laughs]

Laura: ...maybe I'm just mean like that, but I don't want Harry to just be able to walk around and have people say, "Oh, by the way. Here you go."

Andrew: Well, by easy, do you mean detailed and in-depth, because, I mean, if Jo is planning on making this book shorter than - what did she say? Half-Blood Prince or Order of the Phoenix?

Laura: Yeah. It's still a pretty reasonable length...

Ben: Order of the Phoenix.

Kevin: Order of the Phoenix?

Laura: ...but it can still be detailed.

Ben: Do you mean convenient?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I don't want it to...

Andrew: Or do you mean easy as in...

Laura: I don't want it to be too convenient.

Andrew: Yeah, but, I mean, a lot of things can be easy, but...

Laura: It just seems like, if, you know - it just seems like if too many people who are close to Harry know what's going on - I don't know. It just sort of seems like that's going beyond what Dumbledore wanted.

Andrew: Well, yeah. Definitely.

Laura: Of course, you can trust Hagrid, and, of course, you can trust McGonagall, but like when you have a really good group of friends, the more people you tell a secret, the more chance you have of it getting out. Not out of any act of malice, but it does happen. So, I just think that a lot of stuff is going to be kept between the trio. And of course, there will be some outsider information, but...

Kevin: Well, that brings me to my next question. Why did Dumbledore trust Hagrid with this information when he's so gullible?

Ben: Because he said he trusted Hagrid with his life. He trusted Hagrid with the Sorcerer's Stone. So, why couldn't he trust him with this?

Kevin: But that's exactly what I'm saying. Why would he, if he's so gullible? If Dumbledore knew Hagrid was so gullible, why would he trust him with this information?

Laura: Well...

Ben: Well, he continues to trust Hagrid throughout the entire series. He trusted Hagrid delivering Harry to the Dursleys that night. Hagrid is sort of - he may be a bit gullible...

Laura: You know what?

Ben: ...but it's all - the relationship is based on trust.

Kevin: But do you see my point? I mean, like throughout this chapter, they're constantly boosting his ego to get stuff out of him, and the whole point of the chapter is because - he was gullible enough to get this dragon for information. So, the questions arise. Why is he so trusted when it's obvious he is a like a leaking...

Ben: Can't be trusted? [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, exactly.

Laura: Well, I guess the one thing you can say for the fact that Hagrid leaked information to Quirrell was he was drunk, and I'm kind of hoping and assuming that that was a lesson that he learned, and it never happened again. I think that one of the key points in Chapter 1 of Sorcerer's Stone is where McGonagall says, "Are you sure you can trust Hagrid with something as important as this?" And I think the key word there being important, that when something - for instance, if it were important that Hagrid not tell, say, someone like Draco about stuff relating to the Sorcerer's Stone, he never would. But people like the trio, who obviously aren't going to run off and get him in trouble, I think he feels like he can be a little bit more open with them. And I think Dumbledore knows that. I think he just realizes that Hagrid is on his side and, you know, even if you've got someone who has some pretty obvious character flaws, you're not going to get anywhere if you don't have people on your side.

Jess Hates Dumbledore

Jess: That's - yeah, that's true. However, this feeds my theory that Dumbledore is an idiot...

[Laura laughs]

Jess: ...and that Dumbledore is evil...

[Laura laughs again]

Jess: ...and that Dumbledore deserved to fall off the Astronomy Tower... [laughs]

Andrew: Umm...

Jess: ...dead, because...

[Laura and Jess laugh]

Ben: [Imitating Hagrid] NEVER - INSULT - ALBUS - DUMBLEDORE - IN - FRONT - OF - ME!

[Everyone laughs]

Jess: Well, you know... [laughs]

[Andrew, Ben, and Jess laugh]

Ben: We have caves.

Jess: Well [laughs] Well, Iíve never liked Dumbledore. I just don't like Dumbledore. I think he's a fraud...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Oh, my gosh!

Jess: ...I think he deserved everything he got...

[Laura laughs again]

Andrew: Who are you?!

Jess: And, you know, I think almost in a way that he sets up Harry into these situations so he can't take the blame for it.

Andrew: Oh, whoa...

Ben: Whatever! You're like...

[Laura laughs]

Jess: Whatever happens.

Andrew: I'm on the verge of crying! I can't believe you would say this!

Ben: You're like - you're like the National Enquirer on MuggleCast.

[Andrew, Laura, and Jess laugh]

Andrew: It's true.

Laura: This girl laughed at me when I cried. It was so sad. [laughs]

Jess: I laughed and took pictures while Laura cried over Dumbledore's death.

Andrew: Speaking of crying...

Ben: Oh, jeez!

Andrew: ...did anyone watch The OC last night?

Ben: Oh, my god!

Andrew: Marissa died!

Kevin: Oh, god.

Andrew: My sister was paralyzed for ten minutes.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Did you watch it with her?

Andrew: I was like, "Get a grip!"

Ben: [Imitating Andrew's sister] She was like, "Oh, my god!"

Andrew: No! I look into her room, and she was, like, on her bed, face down. I was like, "What's the problem? What happened on the show?" And she's like, [imitating sister] "Marissa died!" I'm like, "Who - who cares?! Whatever!"

Ben: [Imitating Andrew's sister] Like, oh, my god, Andrew!

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: [Crying] Marissa died! Marissa died!

Andrew: Ben, I thought you used to watch that show?

Ben: I do. I just didn't watch The OC last week. I've been busy.

Andrew: But it's the season finale!

Ben: I know!

Laura: Yeah! I figured that was why we didn't do the show yesterday.

[Andrew gasps]

Laura: I figured we were going to be too busy watching The OC.

[Andrew laughs]

Kevin: Yeah.

Ben: Actually, I won...

Andrew: Ssssh!

Ben: No.

Andrew: [Mimics Ben] Ben had academic awards.

How do the Owls Work?

Andrew: Well, so, the trio goes to Hagrid's hut to get more answers out of him concerning Nicholas Flamel and the Sorcerer's stone, and later on, Hagrid sends a note via Hedwig that the egg is hatching that he has. So, after it hatches, Malfoy is caught spying in on the event and runs back to the castle once they catch a glimpse of him. Now, the first thing we wanted to bring up was how do the owls work? Because how is Hagrid able to send Hedwig - that's kind of a tongue twister - to Harry? Like, could he have just spotted him in the sky or what? You know?

Ben: Perhaps he went to the Owlery...

Laura: Yeah, I figured he would have come from the Owlery.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: But would Hagrid have time to run up to the Owlery and grab Hedwig...

Ben: Hedwig may be eating there.

Andrew: ...and then mail a letter to him in the school?

Ben: Hedwig may be eating there. Gettin' the mouse...

Andrew: But where was Harry, again, when this happened?

Laura: He was in the Great Hall...

Andrew: Page 234.

Laura: ...when he got the letter? I think.

Andrew: Yeah. So, why couldnít Hagrid have gone into the Great Hall and gotten him rather than going up to the Owlery?

Laura: Because he didn't want to take a chance of anyone overhearing?

Ben: [Whispers] The egg is hatching!

Andrew: I guess, but no one would know what they were talking about. I don't know. It just seems kind of strange. If it's hatching, do you have time to run upstairs...

Laura: But this is also the same guy...

Andrew: You know, send the letter...

Laura: Hagrid has made it very clear that he is interested in having a dragon, and then he goes into the school library and checks out books about dragons.

Ben: That's right.

Laura: So, clearly, he doesn't always think things through...

Ben: Heís not a very rational thinker.

Laura: ...though I do love him dearly.

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