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Eric: Guys, what's a snuffbox?
Laura: A tissue box.
Kevin: A snuffbox?
Laura: That's what I thought.
Kevin: No, I thought...
Eric: Yeah, what's a snuffbox?
Kevin: No, tobacco.
Laura: I thought it was - I thought it was a tissue box.
Kevin: I thought that in the old days they used to have snuffboxes full of tobacco.
Laura: I guess. I don't know, for some reason I always imagined it to be a tissue box, because you know...
Eric: I thought it was a matchbox.
Laura: ...when ever you blow your nose or something - I don't know.
Eric: You go snuff.
Kevin: Here, let's look it up.
Eric: Achoo! Snuff.
Andrew: We are definitely starting the show with a fade-in of that conversation. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the show. I'm Andrew Sims.
Ben: I am Ben Schoen.
Kevin: I am Kevin Steck.
Eric: I am Eric Scull.
Laura: And I am Laura Thompson.
Andrew: And of course, this is the show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, theories, discussions...
Andrew: ...maybe some music down the road, maybe some other cool new features we're working on.
Ben: And, Give Me a Butterbeer.
Andrew: The newest, hottest craze: Give Me a Butterbeer.
Ben: I love that segment.
Andrew: People are loving them. Me too.
Eric: Ben, have you ever gotten a butterbeer? Did anyone just give you a butterbeer?
Ben: No, they haven't.
Eric: You keep asking for one, maybe somebody will give you one.
Ben: Okay, here, here - okay, instead of sending a butterbeer, here's what you guys need to do: send Subway gift cards to the P.O. box. Seriously.
Andrew: [laughing] We're not even past the news, and we're already begging for stuff?
Ben: No, no, I'm serious. I'm serious, guys. The battle against childhood obesity is never ending, and I'm on the run a lot, and it's good to stop in Subway and get a sweet onion chicken teriyaki. So, please send me Subway gift cards, I will marry you all.
Andrew: Before we move along with today's show, first let's check in with Micah Tannenbaum for the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.
Micah: Bloomsbury publishing director Liz Calder has done yet another interview, this time with The Times of India. In it she speaks about the Harry Potter phenomenon and other tales from the book publishing world. On what was it about Harry Potter that other children's books didn't have, she said: "Well, Rowling filled a very important niche at the right time. She produced a book that could tear an entire generation away from the TV. It had the right mix of magic, a school story, good versus evil and, most importantly, lots of humor."
Bloomsbury founding publisher, Barry Cunnigham also spoke earlier this week on discovering Harry Potter. You can read full texts of these interviews over on MuggleNet.com.
DanRadcliffe.com is organizing a very special project this year for Daniel's 17th birthday (July 23). The project will include the Demelza Drive 2006, a birthday edition of ACED Magazine, and the Greatest Fans Idol. If you are interested in participating or wish to find out more be sure to head over to DanRadcliffe.com.
Breaking news this week, a prominent US psychologist says popular fictional characters such as Hermione Granger could be contributing to an increase in violence among girls. Ben addresses this issue later in the show.
Tom Morris, a former professor of philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, has written an essay about how the ethics and philosophies described in the Harry Potter books can and should be applied in real-life business situations. Morris believes that courage is crucial in business where tough decisions need to be made - but there isn't a specific manual on attaining bravery. He notes that one of Harry's most important qualities is courage and that it isn't due to fearlessness but a desire to do what is right.
We reported to you recently that some filming for the Order of the Phoenix movie is currently taking place in various parts of Scotland. TLC has acquired several photos of filming at Glenfinnan, which feature Harry's stunt double and the filming crew.
Back in March, MuggleNet reported that JK Rowling will be interviewed on the UK talk show Richard and Judy sometime near her appearance at the Queen's 80th birthday party. Leaky recently confirmed that Jo's appearance will be taking place on June 26th from 5 to 6 PM. The show will air on Channel 4.
Dan Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint along with producer David Heyman will be making a video appearance at this year's Comic-Con International. A taped video message from the set will be played during one of the nights. As of now there are no plans to show preview footage from Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
And finally, an article in the June 9th issue of Entertainment Weekly lists Harry Potter as the second most powerful film character behind Wolverine from the X-Men Trilogy.
That's all the news for this June 4th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. I'm in Vegas next week. I'll see you all for Episode 44. Back to the show.
Andrew: All right, thank you Micah. One, one little announcement this week. It's a big one, too.
Kevin: One little, big announcement?
Andrew: National Wear Your MuggleCast...
Andrew: ...one, little - one, single, big announcement this week. [laughs]
Kevin: There you go.
Andrew: National Wear Your MuggleCast T-shirt Day is over.
Andrew: If you're listening to this on Sunday, it was on Friday, June 2nd, and it was a huge success. Hopefully.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Ben: Oh, a major success.
Laura: Oh yeah. Kevin. [laughs] Hopefully.
Andrew: We hope. Listeners from all around the world have worn their MuggleCast T-shirts out and about and took a picture of themselves wearing it to show the world that they love and support MuggleCast.
Ben: Right, all in all we had about sort of between 300,000 and 500,000 participants...
Eric: Wouldn't it be funny if they all said, "Screw you guys," and actually didn't do anything? We get like one e-mail from the craziest fan in the inbox, but everyone else kinda like, didn't wear it.
Andrew: Yeah. That'd be sad. Well, people might be wondering right now, where on earth do you send your pictures in? Send them in to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Put in the subject line "T-shirt Day" and also include your name and the location of where the picture was taken. Check MuggleCast.com, and there will be a link to a gallery sometime during the week, with all the latest pictures, and we'll be adding them as we receive them. So make sure you send those in, once again, mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Put in the subject line "T-shirt Day." Put your name, and where the picture was taken.
Ben: And if you didn't get your fill on MuggleCast T-shirt Day, Wednesday, June 7th is part two of MuggleCast Wear Your T-shirt Day.
Eric: Wednesday, June 7th is Eric graduation day, thank you very much.
Andrew: Wear your MuggleCast T-shirts.
Eric: 6-6-6 is my baccalaureate and religious ceremony.
Kevin: Now I'm going to get a hundred voicemails saying, "Congratulations, Eric," and no voicemails.
Ben: Yeah, congratulations, Eric.
Kevin: Sort of like someone's birthday.
Eric: Whose birthday would that be? [laughs] Kevin was like, there are no voicemails. We're like, go on, Kevin, try to find a voicemail.
Ben: Actually, that was me and John calling in over and over again, just switching our voices.
Andrew: [feigned shock] What?!
Ben: [In different voices] Happy birthday Andrew. Happy birthday Andrew. Happy birthday Andrew. Andrew! Oh my God, happy birthday Andrew!
Kevin: Oh, God.
Eric: Kevin's still recovering.
Andrew: Thanks to everyone, by the way, who sent in a little birthday message.
Kevin: Made my ears bleed, thank you.
Andrew: [laughs] I listened to all of them and enjoyed them immensely.
Kevin: Thanks to Kevin recording them.
Andrew: Yeah, all right, thanks to you.
Andrew: And, if you're in New York or Vegas, let me know and I'll give you a big hug. Alright, so, moving on this week to something we're premiering on MuggleCast. [gasps] It is voice listener rebuttals. We're going to play a small selection of listener rebuttals sent in via 1-218-20-MAGIC, or the username Skype. So here they are right now.
[Audio]: Hello, this is Christina in North Carolina. I have a listener rebuttal regarding the theme of discrimination in the books beyond Chamber of Secrets. I think it's alive and well. In Prisoner of Azkaban, Lupin cannot remain at Hogwarts after his identity as a werewolf is revealed. Also, Dumbledore says that people are not likely to listen to a werewolf's evidence. In Goblet of Fire, Rita Skeeter shows prejudice in her article about Hagrid's giant ancestry. Others obviously support her prejudice, because they write to Hagrid or the school to object to his presence there. When Krum is attacked at the edge of the forest, Fudge suspects Madame Maxime because she is half-giant. In Order of the Phoenix, Umbridge shows her prejudice with her treatment of Hagrid, her attitude towards Lupin as a professor, and her insults against the centaurs. In Half-Blood Prince, Slughorn makes a comment suggesting prejudice towards Muggle-borns, although he denies it to Harry. Trelawney speaks of Firenze abusively. In the memories Harry and Dumbledore visit, the Gaunts are clearly prejudiced against Muggles. I think these examples show that prejudice is a clear theme through all of the books, not just Chamber of Secrets. Thanks, love the show, bye.
[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, this is Sylvie calling from Massachusetts. I'm calling in with a listener rebuttal about Episode 41. You guys talked about why Professor McGonagall doesn't like Divination; and do you think it could have anything to do with her, being like Hermione maybe when she was in school, having no aptitude for the subject? She is a brilliant witch, and maybe if she wasn't that good at Divination, she'd hate it like Hermione. I love the show, bye.
[Audio]: Hello, I'm Alexander from Indiana, and I have a rebuttal on the red and green sparks issue. In Goblet of Fire, Harry accidentally makes gold sparks shoot out of his wand when he's polishing it before Ollivander sees it. In Sorcerer's Stone about the midnight duel, Ron says the most Harry and Malfoy will be able to do to each other is shoot sparks. I think this shows sparks are the most basic thing you can do with your wand, and it can happen on accident. Like, they just think, "I want green sparks," and that's what they get. I don't think there's actually a spell for it. Love the show, thanks.
[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, this is Ashley from Oregon. I'm calling in a listener rebuttal for the discussion of why James Potter left Dumbledore the Invisibility Cloak. I think that James gave the cloak to him to be used by the Order. The Order, in Order of the Phoenix, has two cloaks. I'm sure that an invisibility cloak has infinite uses to the Order. Also, the note from Dumbledore, folded in the cloak, doesn't say that James left the cloak in his possession specifically to be given back to Harry. Just that Dumbledore was given the cloak before James died. This could mean a few years before he died, for all we know. Thanks, love the show.
Andrew: All right, thanks to those people who sent those in, and if you have a rebuttal concerning this week's show and want your voice heard on Episode 43, call your message in to 1-218-20-MAGIC, or Skype the username MuggleCast. And, please keep your rebuttal under, let's say, a minute long.
Andrew: Now let's move on to our regular listener rebuttals, sent in via e-mail to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Look how many ways there are to e-mail us and communicate with us. It's just cutting edge here.
Laura: It's astounding.
Eric: Ouch! It cut me.
Andrew: First one comes from C. Young, age 18 or older - he put 18 plus - in Singapore, Asia. He writes:
So, this is a good explanation to our discussion on why Hagrid would take them out into the Forbidden Forest.
Andrew: I agree with what he had to say.
Kevin: I do, too. Yeah. Definitely.
Laura: Yeah. I agree, as well.
Eric: Yeah. Additionally - additionally, there's proof in this week's chapter that Dumbledore must've known or it was very good reassurance - which we'll talk about later, I guess.
Andrew: Next rebuttal comes from Mayra, 22, of California. She writes:
Eric: I don't know. Last week we talked about - and I guess we have to get into it because it's about Dumbledore leaving Harry to die. Both these rebuttals kind of made it seem that Dumbledore really gave Harry the choice to go into the forest and really kind of sent him in there, and that's kind of like saying that these two people would also agree that he let Harry nearly die.
Andrew: Yeah, but it was to build this - this courage, is what they're saying.
Eric: No, I understand that. That's why I'm supporting it. But I mean, at the...
Andrew: This could be considered, arguably, his first real test.
Eric: I agree. But not that many people might like the idea that Dumbledore's testing Harry.
Kevin: Yeah, that's - well, that's the problem...
Kevin: ...that we had last week. I mean, we were trying to...
Kevin: ...rationalize why Dumbledore would put him in harm's way, whether or not it be a test - you know, you don't...
Eric: Or just an act of...
Kevin: ...you still don't want the kid dying, you know?
Kevin: Maybe he thought it was a lesser of two evils?
Eric: Either that or he really does hate Harry and he kind of wants him to die.
Kevin: Yeah. Possibly. He's in league with Voldemort.
Eric: I think that's it.
Andrew: All right, Jess.
Eric: Dumbledore and Voldy for...
Laura: [laughs] Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.
Kevin: Yeah. [laughs]
Andrew: Could Firenze have been told to kept an eye - keep and eye on him?
Laura: Yeah, that's what I was thinking - that maybe Dumbledore had faith that Firenze would keep Harry safe.
Eric: No comment. Absolutely no comment.
Kevin: [laughs] Oh geez.
Andrew: Why not, Eric?
Eric: Because we're going to talk about - all right, I have a chapter-by-chapter thing to bring up.
Andrew: Oh, okay. Ooh, there's a little teaser for you. Last rebuttal comes from Mariko of Birmingham, Alabama. Thanks for giving me the pronunciation guide, too. Hopefully I didn't screw it up. [laughs]
End quote. And I was going to mention this last week but you can sort of make another real-life connection here - like with my - my math teacher. She absolutely hates English and it's sort of - it's a little - it's a little different...
Andrew: ...because like, it's Divination... [laughs]
Laura: Well, I think...
Andrew: ...versus Transfiguration but...
Laura: I think that we all have that kind of connection because I had a teacher who thought that it was pointless for students to be taking German and French because we live in a country where the next predominant language would be Spanish. So she thought everyone should be taking Spanish because it would be more practical. This same teacher also thought that P.E. was a stupid required credit because not everybody is good at sports. Not everybody is a physical person. So, I don't know.
Kevin: Yeah. I definitely agree because I know at least from - coming from an engineering aspect, we - there's great prejudice against Art majors and Music majors, and stuff like that. Just because not many people - at least, within my own major - believe that it's difficult in any way or it's rewarding.
Eric: Kevin, you're currently working on a device that will blow up all the Music majors at UConn, aren't you?
Kevin: Oh, yeah. Right.
Kevin: I'm plotting against the Art majors.
Laura: Kevin doesn't like me because I'm going to major in Journalism.
Kevin: Yep. I'm plotting against the Art majors.
Eric: No, but honestly, Andrew, what was the name of the person who sent in this rebuttal?
Eric: Mariko? Well, I - because this person gets a cookie.
Eric: Like, that was just cool how they said about the - poetry influencing the emotion and like, art doing the other thing and I just thought it was really cool. Really well-analyzed. You get a cookie.
Kevin: Can they hold you to that?
Eric: And a gold star. And - well, at least a gold star.
Andrew: All right, now it's time for Chapter by Chapter. This week we are doing Chapter 16 of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone titled, "Through the Trapdoor." One more chapter to go after this. Yeeaah! Yeah! All right!
Andrew: That's my new "Yeah, all right."
Eric: Version two?
[Andrew and Kevin laugh]
Laura: Did you guys know that if we do - if we do one chapter per show, we will be done with Half-Blood Prince by show 188.
Andrew: Ah, sweet! [laughs]
Eric: [laughs] Never going to get...
Kevin: So depressing.
Eric: [laughs] See, that's why - that's why - no, that's why it was such a good idea - because it keeps us going forever. We can stop when ever we want. Well, you know.
Eric: So, Chapter 16 starts and they're kind of taking exams, which I have to do on Friday and Monday, which really sucks so wish me luck. But anyway, they are taking exams and they just finished their last one - History of Magic - and they go sit by a tree by the lake, which is like, the tree by the lake - it's like, the famous - the aforementioned or whatever tree. And a few people are playing with the giant squid and stuff like that, and then they're talking about the stone and Harry seems to be the only one who still cares about the stone - at least as much - because his scar's continuously hurting and he keeps having dreams. As we mentioned last week, his scar started hurting a lot after his event in the forest.
Suddenly, it occurs to Harry that - well, it's a little bit strange for Hagrid to just all of a sudden come across a dragon. I mean, they got in trouble with Norbert and all that stuff but all of a sudden, Hagrid just had a dragon egg. So he - he rushes the trio to Hagrid's hut and asks him about how he got Norbert and they ask him if he saw the stranger, and Hagrid says, "Well, no. He kept his hood up all the time. And there's a lot of strange people in The Hog's Head so it's not uncommon."
Now that's just it. That's what I was mentioning before the show. It's the Hog's Head that Hagrid got Norbert at, which means, if Aberforth Dumbledore is the bartender at the Hog's Head, I would consider it - personally - very unlikely that Dumbledore wouldn't have known about Hagrid receiving the dragon egg.
Laura: Hmm. I think it's possible. I think it just depends a lot on how much contact Dumbledore and Aberforth had, because we haven't really seen that they talk to each other all that much. I mean...
Kevin: It's true, yeah.
Laura: ...what if they didn't like each other or what if they had a fight?
Eric: Well, the thing is, too, Hagrid is Hogwarts' gamekeeper. I mean, if your gamekeeper is doing something in the Hog's Head like an illegal trade with - or some shady guy in a cape is buying him drinks - I don't know, I thought it would be very probable and assuming that Dumbledore knew, then surely he might have had a better hand in the detention. And everything - and the events that happened that whole night when they returned Norbert to the towers.
Laura: Mmm. But that would've meant that he would've been counting on Harry and Hermione leaving the invisibility cloak up there on accident. It's kind of hard for them to get caught if they've got a cloak.
Andrew: We've talked a little bit about this before, too - concerning like, what kind of contact Aberforth does have with Dumbledore and I think we sort of concluded that it wasn't much at all.
Eric: Really? Okay.
Andrew: I think.
Andrew: Anyone else remember that?
Eric: I - I don't know. It's interesting like, Dumbledore didn't mention terribly much, but at the same time, we do know that the Hog's Head has been the scene for probably the best prophecy in the entire world and stuff, and all sorts of shady people like Snape were in there before. So I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Laura: Well, it's a good observation. I mean, it's just something that we're not going to know more about until Book 7, I don't think.
Eric: I agree.
Eric: So, now Hagrid blurts out that he told the stranger, [imitating Hagrid] "All you do it play him a bit of music, and Fluffy falls straight asleep." So, immediately, they run up into Hogwarts - they're scared. They're like, "Oh my God. Hagrid snitched and Snape or Voldemort know about how to get past Fluffy!" So, they're running around the corridors and they're looking for Dumbledore's office but then something occurred to them: they didn't know anybody who had ever been sent to Dumbledore's office - they didn't know where it was. Now, that's interesting...
Kevin: That struck me.
Eric: Yeah. Didn't it? Because they didn't...
Kevin: Because why would they not know where the...
Kevin: ...leader's - leader of the school's office is?
Eric: Exactly. Even if you...
Kevin: You know, like...
Andrew: ...because they're first-years. They've never been there before.
Kevin: I know but it - that's kind of like common knowledge.
Kevin: That's like, if you have a problem, he's like - you know.
Eric: Yeah. Even if you never get sent to the office, you should know where it is. Like...
Andrew: But that's not like the quote-unquote "Main Office" like there is in elementary sch - or middle schools or whatever.
Laura: Yeah. Exactly.
Kevin: Yeah, but you have to remember that Hogwarts seems to be like a fair school and it seems to me if you're having a problem with your head of house, Dumbledore would be the one to go to.
Eric: Yeah. Not other teachers who would gossip and do other stuff. I mean...
Eric: The whole fact - yeah - the whole fact that Dumbledore has a password-protected office is kind of like saying your teachers or heads of houses should be able to resolve this kind of stuff.
Laura: Yeah. But he lives there, doesn't he? Isn't his room right above it? I was always of the impression that the headmaster's office was connected to a bedroom.
Kevin: I never - really? I never made that assumption. I mean, I thought it was possible, but...
Laura: But that would be like saying that we should know where all the other professors sleep and stuff. And I don't think they want that being common knowledge. They'd get Dungbombs in the middle of the night.
Kevin: Yeah, but it's different in the sense that you actually have - you actually have to communicate with Dumbledore, you know what I mean?
Kevin: I think the reason why Eric and I are confused is because the fact that Dumbledore is the head of the school. You would think that there would be some people who would want to get in contact with him...
Eric: Or office - yeah.
Kevin: ...at will.
Eric: Or office hours or something like that. I mean, the thing is, we know that Snape has an office. Like, a private office - neither near the dungeons or near his classroom or something like that. Now, the thing with Dumbledore is, he actually does live up there. It's said in the actual paragraph; it says on page 267, it says, "They had never been told," or "They had never been told where Dumbledore lived, nor did they know anyone who had been sent to see him." So that's what it says. I mean, he does live up there, and that's - I guess that's common knowledge. I mean, I always figured it, but the whole point is still, if you need to see him, what do you do? Because he doesn't have another office that you can go to that would - like, if you're worried about security, someone going to where he lives, get somewhere else where you can be contacted. Because, I mean, here in this case, McGonagall came and stopped them and there was really no way she would let them see Dumbledore.
Kevin: Yeah, that's another thing that I somewhat didn't like. I think it was some - it was an oversight on McGonagall's part.
Eric: What was?
Kevin: If - well, I think that you should trust the students to know what level of situation it is, and it's telling a lot to the students to let them go see the headmaster if they believe it warrants it. You know what I'm saying?
Eric: I would agree with that, and I think that's one of the things that McGonagall gives Dumbledore credit for - is understanding people a lot better than she does. Dumbledore probably would have certainly heard somebody like Harry out in that situation; whereas she wouldn't have given him much credit. You know what I'm saying?
Kevin: Yeah. Definitely.
Laura: Hmm. I don't know. I just always assumed that the reason they didn't know where it was was that they'd really never had any reason to go to his office. Because anytime throughout the first book where Harry needed Dumbledore's guidance or where Dumbledore had something he wanted to tell Harry...
Eric: So it's like...
Laura: ...Dumbledore came to Harry.
Eric: ...don't go to the man, the man will come to you.
Laura: That's kind of what I thought.
Eric: Yeah. Well, it's interesting though, because I mean - according to, I guess, their knowledge, it's like that they never knew anybody who had been sent to see him. So either there weren't really big pranksters - you know, if Fred and George Weasley, if we can infer this to mean that they've never been sent to see Dumbledore, he at least could have came to them in Filch's office. But the point is, throughout the rest of the book series, Harry is in Dumbledore's office quite often. And sure, it's Harry Potter, but at the same time, the whole first year at least, there's like this distance between Harry and Dumbledore. And I guess it grows closer and we can make all sorts of inferences, but like I said, even if you're never sent to the principal's office, you should kind of know where it is, just in case. I mean...
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