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MuggleCast 44 Transcript

Show Intro

Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: Because the real world bores you - thank you, Jackie, 17, of Chicago - this is MuggleCast Episode 44 for June 18th, 2006.

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Ben: Guess who's back?

Andrew: Who?

Ben: Back again.

Andrew: Who?

Ben: Andrew's back.

Andrew: Me?

[Ben laughs]

Ben: Tell your friends.

Andrew: Ah, everybody down to the dance floor, to the dance floor.

Eric: Sims is back.

Andrew: Oh, that brings back a bad memory from last year.

Hello, everyone and welcome back (thanks self) to the show. I am Andrew Sims.

Ben: I am Ben Schoen.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: And back for an encore this week is Matthew Vines of - joining us for another fantastic episode. Welcome, Matt!

Matt: Hi!

Andrew: Are you pumped? I know this is a new kind of medium for you.

Matt: Yeah, I'm excited.

Andrew: [laughs] I can feel it in everyone's voices.

Ben: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: Before we go anywhere else, Micah Tannenbaum is back to his normal self this week, so let's check in with him for the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.


Micah: Forbes magazine has published their annual top 100 list of the world's most powerful celebrities, and JK Rowling has come in at #19, three places ahead of last year's ranking.

The excerpt from the magazine read:

One of the few billionaires on our list, J.K. Rowling is preparing to close the book on her "Harry Potter" series. The next installment, the seventh in the series, is rumored to be her last, although she'll continue to write and will likely explore other parts of the Potter milieu. Worldwide sales of the Potter books have topped 300 million copies worldwide. "The Goblet of Fire" was last year's highest-grossing film, with a worldwide box office take of $892 million.

Since last year, Jo has accumulated an estimated $75 million. Forbes say celebrities must have a combination of earnings and sizzle to acquire a coveted place on the list. has been updated with details about the pre-recorded play starring Dan Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, Emma Watson and Matthew Lewis to be shown at the Queen's 80th birthday party.

As part of the event, Daniel, Rupert, Emma and Matt will appear in character as Harry, Ron, Hermione and Neville in a filmed segment on the Gryffindor common room set recommending a spell for the Palace to use in order to apprehend a thief. It is this spell that ultimately leads to them catching the crook.

A few months ago, mother-of-four Laura Mallory filed several complaints against all six Harry Potter books, saying they included "evil themes, witchcraft, demonic activity, murder, evil blood sacrifice, spells and teaching children all of this." Even though she hasn't read any of the books because they're "too long" (or just because she can't read), she noted that it would be difficult for children to distinguish between the fantastical events in the books and real life, and attempted to have them removed from school libraries in Gwinnett County, Georgia.

On April 20th, scores of educators, parents and students showed their support for the books in a public hearing, and both the local school and system media committees concurred. In fact, the support for the books remaining in school libraries was so strong that hearing officer Su Ellen Bray offered ten reasons why they shouldn't be removed and on May 11th, the Gwinnett County Board of Education voted that the novels should stay.

Mallory appealed this decision on Friday, and the legal services division of the Georgia Department of Education will now determine the next step in this debate.

Finally, I did not do the news last week. Ben filled in for me while I was in Las Vegas, so you guys can stop e-mailing me and telling me I pronounced "Thames" wrong during the segment. wasn't me!

That's all the news for this June 18th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Have a Happy Father's Day! Back to show.

Andrew: Okay, thank you, Micah.

Micah: No problem.

Eric: What if it is a problem?

Andrew: How much work does it take to do that news every week?

Micah: Usually it takes about, I don't know, about 15-20 minutes.

Andrew: Oh, that's not bad.

Eric: But when he asks you to do it in ten, it takes 30?

Micah: I usually try and edit it a little bit so you don't have to do as much.

Andrew: Right.

Announcements: National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day

Andrew: All right, so moving along. Let's get to some announcements. Oh, first of all, sorry I wasn't here last week. I know it was earth-shattering. Like it's never been done before. When you think MuggleCast, you think Andrew Sims. [laughs]

Ben: It was a big relief is what it was.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: To you it was Ben, but some people actually love me.

Eric: Like who? Example?

Andrew: I don't know. I don't know. Some people say they like me.

Eric: Okay, cool.

Andrew: National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day pics are now online - well, we mentioned this last week, but I am slowly gathering more pictures and putting them up. And we have the contest winners this week. We were supposed to announce them last week, but apparently nothing gets done when I'm not here.

Ben: Okay, you didn't give them to me.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So, the five winners who have already been e-mailed and they are going to be receiving their Lumos t-shirts within the next one to two weeks: Jessica Gordon, Lucas, Becca Daniels, "Disney Dan" (he never gave me his real name although I didn't check his e-mail)...

[Ben and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: That's just his e-mail address.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: And Casey Stroude. So, congratulations to all of you. Thanks for wearing your t-shirts on National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day. An overall success, very much. Did you guys talk about it on the show last week?

Ben: Oh yeah.

Andrew: Did you?

Eric: I think it's got to suck, Andrew. It really has to. Everybody who entered that contest and didn't win has been PWNed by a man named Disney Dan.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh.

Ben: [laughs] Disney Dan.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Send all your e-mails to Disney Dan.

Eric: Disney Dan PWNed you.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, we got some really cool pictures. We got - someone took their picture with Harry and the Potters. Someone took their picture with the Mayor of Honolulu and that was pretty cool to see. A lot of...

Ben: And someone stooped low and took their picture with Eric Scull.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Eric, tell everyone how that happened. That's really - did you just happen to run into them?

Ben: He was looking for them.

Andrew: Were you?

Ben: Who you kidding?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I put an ad in the local paper.

[Ben laughs]

Eric: Does anybody listen to MuggleCast? No, there's actually a picture which I don't think is in the gallery, which is us in front of the pagoda, which is Reading, Pennsylvania's, I guess claim to fame. It's their national or at least city-wide landmark. Reading, Pennsylvania - there's a picture I guess it's on my PhotoBucket, which you can look up the link for later.

Andrew: Uh, yeah right. [laughs]

Eric: But, basically I just... No, I know them. Actually, one of them - they both went to my school, my high school. Actually, there are three of them: Marissa, Sarah, and Trish. And they went to my high school and they know me - kind of. And I actually work with Sarah now at the movie theater. So, we just said let's go up to the pagoda and take some pictures.

Andrew: Oh, because I thought the way they phrased it in their e-mail, "Oh, we just happened to run into him." I guess I read it wrong.

Eric: Yeah, well I didn't want them to say that Eric orchestrated the whole thing and therefore it wouldn't get in the gallery...

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: Right.

Eric: ...because it was cheating or something like that.

Andrew: Cheating?

Ben: Even though National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day has ended, it is never too late to buy yourself at least 12 MuggleCast t-shirts.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: 11 more.

Andrew: A big, big thanks goes to Same and Nate of We don't thank them enough when we really should be. They provide all the t-shirt designs and get the orders shipped out to everyone. And they are helping us out with a couple of projects, so we can't thank them enough. for all of your t-shirt needs - check them out today! Ding!

Eric: But, if you happen to want some pants that say "MuggleCast" on them you can go over to for all your MuggleCast denims, khakis, pants.

[Ben fake laughs]

Andrew: That was such a bad joke.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Let's move onto this week's Listener Rebuttals.

Listener Rebuttal: Trelawney

Ben: Our first Listener Rebuttal comes from Carmen, 21, from New Jersey. Andrew's home state. Ewww.

[Everyone laughs]


During the discussion of the prophecy, the question of whether Trelawney was a true Seer or not came up. It was implied that she was a half-Seer, or that those two were her only true prophecies and other than her trances, she's just a kook. I beg to differ. I think Trelawney is a true Seer in spite of herself. It seems to me that whenever she proclaims anything, it more or less comes true. When she saw the Grim in Harry's cup, it was a Grim, generally speaking. I mean a large black dog. If she had known that Sirius Black was an Animagus, her interpretation would have probably been, "Sirius Black is going to kill you," instead of, "It's a Omen of death." In Book 6, she says that when she read the tarot cards, she kept getting the lightning-struck tower, and we all know how that turned out. So, I believe that her problem is more in the way of interpretation. She sees glimpses of the future and as she obviously has a somewhat melodramatic nature, she interprets things that, to her, makes the most sense. Which unfortunately, for her, ends up sounding very ridiculous. I also think that she very consciously makes up stuff to add to the drama, so to speak. I have no doubt she has the gift and when she reads crystal balls, tea leaves, cards, that she truly sees the message held there, however badly she mangles it up in translation.

Very good point, Carmen. Because, I was the only one that was on the show last week, actually...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: ...that was in this group. It is interesting because we talked about prophecies and how the prophecy - how Trelawney seems to us like she only made two true prophecies throughout the series, but she's making the point that when she does make predictions, they generally do become true and prophecies aren't the only accurate predictions there can be. So, thanks for clearing - thanks for bringing that up, Carmen.

Eric: I thought that she was not really a true Seer and that something like the Grim and being Sirius Black's Animagus form - I thought that was a J. K. Rowling kind of "it's kind of funny type thing." But, if Trelawney were a true Seer, I don't think she'd need to make anything up, like for added drama. If Trelawney was very - that much confident in herself and her Seer skills, she wouldn't need to make anything up. And with a great aunt or whoever, like what was it? Cassandra. Or Trelawney. Or her Seer relation there. With this famous Seer in her family, you'd think that she would have been trained by the best, but somehow we have this kook like Trelawney. I really don't think that Trelawney is - I don't know. If the question's about her translation, that works, too, but I think there is actually a lacking of power in addition to understanding.

Matt: I don't know. I think that Trelawney is sort of the equivalent of a Squib in the Seer realm. Where, she can do a little, but not very much. And when she does things, it's not really in her control and she doesn't know what she's doing.

Andrew: That's a good point. Yeah.

Matt: So, I think she has some Seeing powers, but not a lot.

Listener Rebuttal: Prophecies

Andrew: Yeah, I like that. Next rebuttal comes from Stephanie, 19, of Massachusetts. She writes:

Hi everyone. Last episode you discussed prophecies and whether or not they were all fulfilled. On pg. 510 of Half-Blood Prince - U.S. Edition - Dumbledore said, "If Voldemort had never have heard the prophecy, would it have been fulfilled? Would it have meant anything? Of course not! Do you think every prophecy in the Hall of Prophecies has been fulfilled?" So, all the prophecies aren't fulfilled. Love the show!

Ben: Because we talked about, are prophecies destined to come true? Like absolutely, and we overlooked the fact of what Dumbledore said. But he never actually said that they haven't been fulfilled. But, he just implied.

Eric: But that's the question. Do you have to hear it for it to come true? Because if Dumbledore said that not all of them have to come true, then it would make sense that he's saying one of the people involved has to hear it to act on it, for it to come true? Do you get it?

Andrew: I get it, but I would imagine someone has to hear it. If neither of - but what happens when someone outside of the prophecy hears it?

Eric: Well, they tell somebody who's in the prophecy.

Andrew: What if they don't?

Eric: That's the thing. If Dumbledore said that not all of them come true, then it makes sense that the only way for them to come true is if someone involved or someone who knows someone tells them. In the case of Julius Caesar, the guy walked right up to him and said, "Beware the Ides of March." These are direct contact things.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: But, so it makes sense that unless the person involved hears the prophecy, it won't come true, but that's weird. That doesn't sound right to me.

Micah: That's it for Listener Rebuttals?

Andrew: Yes, let does wrap up...

Ben: Yes. Yes, Tanny.

Micah: It must have been because the last show was so good that people didn't have much to complain about.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: There were no complaints.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: I bet there were a hundred complaints but Ben deleted them all.

Ben: Oooh!

Eric: He's like, "These are the only two Listener Rebuttals that don't completely bash our dud last week."

Micah: Did you call me Tanny?

Ben: Tanny. [laughs] Tanny. [continues laughing]

Andrew: I didn't call - I've never called you Tanny. I've called you T-bag.

Eric: T-bomb?

Andrew: But not Tanny.

Eric: T-bag. [laughs] I like that.

Andrew: And Micah Tan.

Micah: I like Micah Tan.

Andrew: And the Mic-ster.

Eric: I like Micah Tan, too. It sounds like Ricky Tan. Just like in Rush Hour 2.

Andrew: Right, of course, Rush Hour 2.

Micah: What I've always aspired to be like. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, of course.

[Eric laughs]

Chapter-By-Chapter: Chapter 17, Sorcerer's Stone

Andrew: This week we are wrapping up Chapter-by-Chapter.

Eric: [gasps] For Book 1.

Andrew: Right. Of Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter 17: "The Man With Two Faces." We don't have as many notes as we normally do this week, so this Chapter-by-Chapter is going to be a little bit shorter. First, we're going to start off with Matt. He has a couple things to bring up.

Chapter 17 - The Man With Two Faces

Matt: Okay. Well, this is just one of my favorite chapters in the entire series because it has some pretty awesome quotes in it. Five, I counted.

Dumbledore Quotes

Matt: Okay, let's see, No. 1. This one is not as awesome as the rest, but it's got a little funny story behind it. So, when Dumbledore tells Harry, "What happened down in the dungeons between you and Professor Quirrell is a complete secret, so, naturally, the whole school knows." Okay, so it's kind of funny, but someone e-mailed me about that, like, three months ago, and they made it out to be this really big mistake and they were like, "How can this be if it's a complete secret that the whole school knows?"

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: J. K. Rowling messed up.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Book mistake.

Matt: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Matt: Okay, second line: "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends." I actually think that line could have been a little more powerful if she would have said, "But more to stand up to our friends," but it's still good. Then, okay, here's where we get to the really good ones. When Quirrell says, "There is no good and evil, there's only power and those too weak to seek it."

Eric: Oh god, that's a horrible quote.

Matt: No!

Eric: Yes it...

Ben: That's the best quote.

Eric: No, it's the worst quote ever, because, you know why? Because every single book basher who bashes Harry Potter uses that to make it seem like JKR wrote that line for Harry to believe.

Ben: Yeah.

Matt: It's okay. They...

Eric: Everybody's like, "Oh!".

Matt: It's what...

Eric: Yeah. It...

Matt: But it's what...

Eric: Yeah. The quote itself is great. I agree with you.

Ben: Yes.

Eric: Just, it's been misused. It's probably the most misused quote ever. It's a great quote, though. You're right, I'm sorry.

Matt: Yeah, it's what embodies the philosophy of all evil in the entire series, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: It's pretty cool. No. 4, actually, I should be going backwards because they're getting better. Okay, No. 2.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Matt: When Dumbledore says, "After all, to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." Actually, I've seen that on a lot of people's Facebooks under favorite quotes.

[Eric laughs]

Matt: Well, since a whole lot of the series, especially when you get to Book 4, is all about death and what happens to people afterwards, with Sirius and the Veil, I just think that's a great quote. Especially once Dumbledore dies.

Ben: Yeah.

Matt: He doesn't even really care because it's the "next great adventure." Actually, that might be No. 1, but No. 1 one is pretty good, too, when he says, "Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself," because that also comes up over and over and over again throughout the entire series.

Ben: Was I the one that was kind of mad at that they gave that line to Hermione.

Eric: No, that's a book mistake, too. That's another thing people point out. They're like, "But Hermione said it," when people say it was Dumbledore; and then they say, "But Dumbledore said it," when people quote Hermione. See, the deal is, in the movie Hermione says it in Movie 2. She stands up to Jason Isaacs and says, "Fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself," and he's like, "Oh, you must be Hermione Granger," and then he is all an asshole. But, that's the difference. The quote was used in Book 1 or Movie 2 and that's how it goes. In Book 1, Dumbledore said it, but it didn't make it in the movie and in Book 2 nobody said it, but Hermione did.

Matt: Well, there's no way they could include all of Dumbledore's great quotes in the movies or they would be six hours long.

Eric: Well, right, but they did. It was just in the next movie, and that's where it gets a lot of people confused, and they think it's a mistake. I ran Book Mistakes Section, right with Name Origins - when I first started working with MuggleNet back in 2002, before all of you were there! Oh! PWN! Senior Staff Member, by definition.

Ben: Mhm.

Andrew: Okay.

Ben: And then you stayed with the Caption Contest.

Eric: Yeah. And it was...

Ben: For how long? Oh yeah. Three, four years now.

Eric: It's actually, I think it was forty-two months and now it's ending because I go to Europe.

Ben: Who's taking it over?

Eric: Well, nobody. It's just - it's postponed until I come back.

Bill Gates Diversion

Andrew: Well, I was just going to say, it's a little off-topic, but I immediately made the connection earlier today. Bill Gates announced today that he was stepping down from Microsoft because Microsoft is a terrible company and he can't stand working there anymore. And the one thing...

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Did he really say that, though?

Andrew: No, but...

Micah: I'm sure those were his exact words.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: He's thinking that, I swear it. One thing that he says in his reasoning for why he's leaving - he says, "I believe with great wealth comes great responsibility." [laughs] And it's funny.

Eric: Oh, come on.

Andrew: Yeah, I know.

Eric: That man has nothing better to do than to sit down in front of his seventy-bajillion inch TV screen and watch Spiderman and smoke pot, which he gets legally through some medical contract that he paid off his doctors.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: He's Bill Gates.

Eric: He's Bill Gates! Okay? It's not like he's going to say to himself, "You know what? My software has so many bugs and not enough patches and we're never going to catch up to the ratio." [laughs]

Back To Quotes

Micah: Okay, how about this quote? It's from Voldemort and he says, "I have form only when I can share another's body." And I thought that was interesting because at the end of the first book, you already have the foreshadowing to all the Horcruxes.

Eric: Wait, how does that - how does that foreshadow...

Matt: It does, yeah. Wow.

Eric: ..."when I can share a body." "I only have form when I can share a body." Well, no because he gets a body of his own then.

Matt: But no, he's not even talking about human bodies necessarily, but just other things that he puts his self in.

Ben: Yeah, because he possesses snakes, too.

Eric: He does. And later on he tells about that. But what does foreshadow Horcruxes, is when Dumbledore is talking to Harry in the hospital wing and he says he will - he may be delayed and it will take somebody else who is prepared to fight what seems to be a losing battle or whatever, but yeah. Dumbledore tells Harry, without being truly dead or without being truly alive, he cannot be killed. That's the foreshadowing moment. So, it says that Voldemort's not actually truly alive, which hints on the fact that he's just got pieces of his soul. That his soul is in fragments. He's not really living.

Matt: And actually, I think that's one of the coolest things about re-reading the first book at this point, is...

Eric: I know.

Matt:'s just riddled with foreshadowing all throughout it...

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: ...that you can't even tell until after you read...

Andrew: Right.

Matt: ...the other books.

Jo Is Full Of It

Andrew: We were saying that a couple episodes ago and can you just imagine, once we read Book 7, we're going to be picking up on more of this? We're going be like, "Oh, how come I didn't see that?"

Eric: It's amazing because...

Matt: It's really impressive.

Eric: I was just on MuggleNet today - I was on MuggleNet today for the first time in two years, on the Main Page. I'm joking. And...

[Micah laughs]

Eric: On the Updates Bar - Micah laughed. [laughs] I should feel special. On the Updates Bar, it says "Book Endings Updated," or "Plot Loops" I think it was - "Plot Holes," or "What Needs to be Answered." Anyway, something like that. It's on the Updates Margin. Everybody go look and overload the site. Anyway, it's all the questions that Jo needs to answer, and I was thinking, well, you know what? She's got the answer for all of these questions, or at least let's hope she does, but, not only that, but she's known it before she created the question. She knew the answer before she created the potential for us to ask these questions. Isn't that amazing?

Matt: Well, she did plan it for five years.

Andrew: Wait, are you saying she didn't - she wasn't aware of the trend that was going to happen with Harry Potter, so... But she knew the answers, anyway?

Eric: What I'm saying is she knows the answers to all these questions and it's interesting because I thought, well, given what Book 6 left us, how would I, being JKR, write the seventh book at all? Where would I begin? There's so many questions to answer. But then I realize, well hey - it actually says, "Added New Book 7 Loose Ends" on the Updates Page. But, there's all these questions here about, "Who is RAB," and "What bad memory was Dudley forced to encounter when he was attacked by the Dementors in Order of the Phoenix?" Questions like these, she has the answers to. She wrote all this stuff in, knowing ahead of time what needed to be answered - what things were. That's the whole process of foreshadowing, is knowing the answers before you create the questions. And I just think Jo is so full of it. I mean, full of that. Full of...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Full of it?

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Wow.

Eric: Full of the answers, I mean. And it's amazing.

Matt: Well, I guess that's part of what makes the books really, really good.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, it really is. Is because she...

Matt: Is that everything was planned out before she even wrote the first chapter.

Eric: And you'd like to think that she knew a lot of - it's amazing. Some things catch her off guard, but I think the majority of it was already written down, because there were so many years where she wrote notes on napkins...

Andrew: Yes!

Eric: ...before she continued - before she started.

Matt: She did not write notes on napkins!

Andrew: Yes, she did.

Eric: She so did! There are those stories.

Andrew: She said that a million times.

Eric: Yes.

Ben: She's not - no, no. The rumor is, that she wrote the entire first book on napkins.

Andrew: Well, that's...

Eric: Oh no, I think...

Ben: And that's not true.

Eric: ...I think that's not true because...

Ben: She shot that down, but she did make notes.

Matt: Okay, well, she said that she was offended that people were saying that she wrote the first book on napkins.

Ben: That's how poor she was.

Matt: She was not that poor.

Ben: Yeah, she was.

Matt: No, she wasn't. Haven't you read this?

Ben: She had to steal them from the dumpster at McDonald's.

Eric: Oh, god.

Matt: Benjamin!

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: I'm just making it up, Matt. Geez.

Eric: Dumpster Diving Jo. No, come on.

Matt: If she heard that, think about how she would feel. This is horrible.

Ben: [laughs] That's the title for this week: "Dumpster Diving Jo."

Andrew: [laughs] No, I like, "Jo's Full of It" better.

[Eric and Andrew laugh]

Eric: Full of the answers, people!

Andrew: So, anyway...

Micah: It's no "Fat Lady."

Eric: Neither was - never mind.

Andrew: What, "Andrew-less?" [laughs]

Eric: "Jo's Three Wishes."

Andrew: Oh. Hey, wasn't that your - oh no, that was my brilliant joke. I forgot, sorry.

Eric: I don't know. It was okay.

Ben: "Andrew-less" was the best.

Eric: "Andrew-less" was clever.

Andrew: "Andrew..." - never mind.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So, is that it? Are we done?

Eric: Ummm...

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