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Show Intro


Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: Because I'm down at the beach and can't get access to my e-mail to get access to the show entries submitted by the listeners - this is MuggleCast Episode 45 for June 25th, 2006.

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Hello, friends and welcome back to the show. I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Greg: And I'm Greg Porter.

Andrew: And joining... Yes.

Greg: Sorry. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Joining us this week, Greg Porter. From? Where are you from? MuggleNet - you do some work on MuggleNet.

Greg: Yes, I do things here and there.

Andrew: Wait, you've been on the show before, haven't you?

Greg: Yes.

Andrew: Once before? Yes. You're an alumni.

Greg: Soothin' Babies, was that it?

Andrew: What's that? [laughs]

Greg: Soothin' Babies, was that the episode?

Andrew: I don't know. I will take your word for it.

Greg: All right.

Andrew: Before we do anything else, Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in MuggleCast News center with the latest Harry Potter news stories.



News


Micah: The British paperback edition of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince hit shelves Friday. If you would like to purchase it online, you can do so at Amazon. That wasn't a shameless plug or anything. The American paperback edition of Book 6 will be released on July 25th.

In an announcement Wednesday, Warner Bros. revealed that the fifth Harry Potter movie will be released simultaneously in conventional and IMAX theaters on July 13th, 2007.

Speaking of Order of the Phoenix, Ain't It Cool News was at the New York Licensing Show Tuesday, where a promotional banner for the fifth film was spotted.

The picture depicts Harry holding his wand with Hogwarts in the background. Although this is a generic promotion for the next film, one major difference in this film appears to be Dan's hair.

Jason Isaacs (who plays Lucius Malfoy) recently did an interview with the Los Angeles Daily News, noting that he will be filming for Movie 5 in September and October. He also discussed why he enjoys portraying the nasty character:

"I torture myself by always trying to be interesting and human on screen, but every now and again it's great to be in 'Harry Potter' and just rip it up and be as singularly evil and unpleasant as possible."

Filming for Order of the Phoenix is expected to recommence next month.

Yahoo! has published a top 20 list of the most-searched-for rumors on the world's second biggest search engine. Rumors related to the seventh book in the Harry Potter series topped the chart, followed by Sopranos and X-Men 4 rumors.

Earlier this week TLC was able to capture the commercial for the Queen's 80th birthday party. The clip features Dan telling an owl (presumably Hedwig) to deliver a letter. The birthday bash took place earlier today and was aired on BBC.

Finally, 24Dash.com reports that JK Rowling will be receiving a Doctor of Laws degree to recognize her contribution to Multiple Sclerosis research. Jo was quoted in the article, praising MS research:

"I am extremely honored to be receiving this honorary degree from such a distinguished Scottish university, with such a dynamic international reputation."

Jo will receive her degree from the University of Aberdeen on July 6th at Marischal College.

That's all the news for this June 25th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show!

Andrew: Okay, thank you, Micah.



Where Is Everyone?


Andrew: Where is everyone this week? What's up with these groups of people we have been putting together lately?

Micah: Slackers.

Andrew: They all quit. They are all holding out for money.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: To that I say NEVER! No, Laura is finishing her finals this week. Kevin is sick. [mockingly cries] And Eric is in England for three or four weeks. He is on a trip.

Ben: Visiting his e-girlfriend.

Andrew: No, he's not.

Greg: That's classy.

Andrew: [laughs] That is classy. No, he's - what is he doing over in England anyway? Anyone know?

Ben: I told you. He's visiting his e-girlfriend.

Greg: Is he wearing his robes?

Andrew: Okay.

[Micah and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: I - he probably is. I am sure he brought them with him. And with Eric being gone we are going to take a break from Chapter-by-Chapter for...

Ben: Ever.

Andrew: ...at least three or four weeks. At least until he gets back and then we'll start Chamber of Secrets. So, it will probably be right before Lumos or right afterwards - right after New York.



Announcements


Andrew: Speaking of that. Lumos 2006 and Leaky Mug LIVE in New York City are both quickly approaching. Lumos 2006 is on July 29th at the JW Marriott in Las Vegas, Nevada at the Lumos 2006 Harry Potter Symposium. And our LIVE podcast in New York City is after JK Rowling's second - no, before JK Rowling's second book reading on August 02nd (if I didn't already say that). It's going to be around Noon and the reason I am bringing this up is because we are encouraging everyone to go if they can come out, but we also want everyone to RSVP by e-mailing hplive at gmail dot com. Or you can go to the all new LeakyMug.com. Hopefully by the time this show is out, that site will be out - LeakyMug.com. You might remember, it's where The Leaky Cauldron and MuggleNet.com hosted their - hosted our prank. It will be a lot of fun, so everyone come out if you can. I am telling you right now, we are going to have a blast at both of these podcasts. So, please come out and show your support.

Also, help support the show by purchasing a MuggleCast t-shirt.

Ben: Or 12.

Andrew: Or 12 of them. And those help the show by giving us money so that we can pay for flights and pay for food, so we don't starve to death at the LIVE podcasts.

Greg: Heaven forbid.

Andrew: How are we supposed to podcast without food?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So, thanks to everyone for helping us out. I like how I talk like this. I'm going to keep doing this.



Juvenile Arthritis


And every once in a while we like to make a little public service announcement here on MuggleCast to get the word on a little topic. This week Emily, who is a MuggleNet editor, who goes through the site and corrects all the grammar mistakes that we make, because we are terrible at our English.

She wanted to let everybody know about juvenile arthritis. And I have a little thing from her. She says:

The problem that arises with trying to raise funds for juvenile arthritis is that people don't realize that kids can get arthritis as well. The child I worked with was only two when she was diagnosed and was in considerable pain. It got to the point where she had to wear a neck brace to control movement and spasms. A few months later the pain came back, only this time it was everywhere - even in her toes and fingers. Being so young, she couldn't understand why her parents were unable to help her or why her toys gave her no reprieve. She is now four and has learned to adjust with the help of shots twice weekly.

So, the reason we're letting everyone know is that juvenile arthritis is still a serious problem even in little kids - you wouldn't think so because we always hear about it occurring in the elderly. We encourage you to visit MuggleCast.com and look at the "Show Notes" for this week's episode and we have a link to a few articles about juvenile arthritis and the problems it is causing.

And, finally, we have a super-special announcement at the end of the show. So, make sure you stick around. Because it's so big, it doesn't even - it's not even worthy of a position here in the regular announcements. It deserves its own segment.

Now it is time for this week's voice rebuttals, sent in by you guys, the listeners - called in by dialing 1-218-20-MAGIC. So, here they are now.



Voice Rebuttals


[Audio]: Hi, this is [inaudible] from Pennsylvania and I have a few comments about last week's show. First of all, you talked about if and how the Ministry is influencing Percy. One thing that caught my attention is that at the beginning of Book 4, Percy is working on a report on cauldron bottoms. Then at the end of the book, Voldemort emerges from the cauldron. There seems to be a link and it makes me wonder what side the Minister is on. The next thing that I would like to mention is the occurrence at the end of the your character discussion about choosing a girl. I personally believe the Weasleys are descendants from Godric Gryffindor, so they needed a girl to continue the bloodline. Lastly, I would like to say something about spoilers. We all think that we try to avoid them, but at the same time we watch movie clips before the movie is released, highlight the text on MuggleNet without really thinking, and look ahead in the books. In a way, it's just part of the experience. Even though I hate to be spoiled, I'll admit they do play an important part in the fandom.

[Audio]: Hi, MuggleCasters! This is Lucy from Iowa. I just had a rebuttal/comment about Mad-Eye Moody. I remember in your last show when you talked about Moody, you talked about how you thought his magical eye came from the Ministry of Magic. However, in Order of the Phoenix when Harry goes to the Ministry and talks to Kingsley Shacklebolt, there is a witch with an eye patch. And I thought that if she had lost an eye like Moody the Ministry would have provided her one too, if they had provided one for Moody. Also, Moody did not have his eye patch when he was in the first scene for Harry in the Pensieve for Goblet of Fire, but he did in the second scene. Thanks!

[Audio]: Hi, MuggleCast! This is [inaudible] from Los Angeles, California. When listening to Episode 44, I found it rather offensive when Eric and the others began wondering why anybody would ever have seven kids. I have several friends who have seven or even eight children in their family. And once you actually have such a large family, each person becomes their own individual and numbers become irrelevant. In fact, despite the fact that they weren't wealthy, some of my friends even wish that their parents would have a ninth child. Maybe the Weasleys wanted that kind of happy, relaxed, family atmosphere. Thanks again and keep the great shows coming.

Andrew: All right. And those were this week's voice rebuttals.



Listener Rebuttal - Disney Dan


Andrew: Now, it's time for the listener rebuttals sent in via e-mail.

I have good news everyone. Disney Dan e-mailed in. His real name is not actually Disney Dan. His real name is Dan Larson, 21, from Chicago. And he didn't include anymore information with the pictures because it was late at night. Uh no, no, maybe the pictures were just late. So, thanks Disney Dan for clearing that up. Now we can all rest peacefully.

Ben: Yep.

Andrew: Yes.



Listener Rebuttal - Nicknames For Micah


Andrew: And we have a new nickname for Micah sent in by Jack. [laughs] Micah, how do you like this one? The Baum Bomb? B-a-u-m B-o-m-b.

Micah: It's...

Andrew: Jack wants to know what you think?

Micah: It has some potential. I think we can work with that a little bit. What do you guys think? You guys come up with nicknames for me all the time, so this is...

Andrew: I think it's catchy.

Micah: You do?

Greg: It is.

Andrew: I like it.

Ben: La-la-la Baum Bomb.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So, we have Baum Bomb, The La Baum-ba, [laughs] T-Baum...

Micah: T-Baum.

Andrew: ...Micah Tan. Tanny. These are getting better and better. Every week before we introduce you for the news, we will give you a new name. How does that sound?

Micah: That's cool.

Andrew: If we remember.



Listener Rebuttal - Lose The Tone


Andrew: This rebuttal comes from blank, age blank, from blank. Thank you for including all of your information, but [laughs] you'll know why in a minute. This person writes:

"Hi Guys, I just finished listening to Episode 44 and for the first time since Episode No. 1, felt compelled to write in. I've admired the fact that you folks have taken the - what some might call the moral high road, and have made the conscious decision to keep the language G-rated. However, this episode, it seems as if you decided to begin the transformation to a non-family friendly show. Granted, it is your show and you decided it's tone, but I think that most of us listeners have grown to believe that words such as, "bleep," "bleep," or "bleep," don't belong on MuggleCast. Please reflect back on your original intentions to keep the show clean and realize that that may have contributed in some small way to the great success to which you have so far been blessed."

So yeah, guys, last week there was a little bit more language than there was in previous episodes and we have said in the past that there will be no cursing on this show. To be honest with you, I missed the one word that I will not say here on this show because it is inappropriate. The word - for some reason, I missed it while editing. I don't even know who said it. But, we apologize if any younger listeners were surprised and got yelled at by their parents for listening to inappropriate content. But, we will not be doing that anymore. It was a little bit of an experiment, too, to see if it would help the show at all with the older audience, but we're just going to keep it out all together. So, I'm sorry!



Listener Rebuttal - Large Families


Andrew: Next rebuttal:

"I hate to say it, but for the first time ever I have been offended by - "

Look at all these first times. [laughs]

"I have been offended by something said on an episode of MuggleCast. Perhaps I'm just a bit too touchy about this, but it truly hurt me when it was implied that people who have many children are in some way unable to provide the full range of proper care for their children."

There is more to this e-mail, but I'm not going to read it here. So, end quote. And this comes from Kimmi. And I would just also like to point out that we weren't implying that larger families cannot support themselves. This is not true at all. We were just making a reference to the Weasleys. And also [laughs] when I said maybe all the Weasleys kids were an accident, I was saying that jokingly [still laughing] and I did not mean that that's how all families are. Of course, that's not true. It's not true for - large families cannot support themselves, either. So, sorry about that if we offended anyone. We got a few e-mails about that.



Listener Rebuttal - Napkins


Andrew: And lastly, Carla S., 18 from Iowa, wants to talk about napkins. She wanted to clarify some of the discussion we were having last week about how JK Rowling wrote the original books, and she quotes an article here and, I quote:

"It was after settling in Edinburgh at the end of 1993 that Rowling began to write the first Harry Potter novel. She wrote in longhand on notepads in several Edinburgh cafes, most notably Nicolson's Cafe near Edinburgh University. However, the rumor that she scribbled the manuscript on the back of napkins, unable to afford paper, is untrue. She admits that she was on the dole for six months during this time period, but denies media reports that she couldn't afford to heat her flat and escaped to cafes for a warm place to write. During '94 and '95, she went back to college to get her teaching qualification that would enable her to teach French in Scotland."

So, that clears up some of the discussion we were having, although we did come to the conclusion at the end of last week's show that she didn't write the entire books on napkins. That's just silly.

[Micah laughs]



Main Discussion: Book 7 - Riddle Me This


Andrew: Moving on to some discussion this week, we want to talk about Book 7 questions. We touched on this a few weeks ago. And now we're going to do some more of it. So, Micah, take it away.

Micah: Hold on. All right, we mentioned this a couple of shows ago. We talked a little bit about this editorial, written by Kristie, looking at the riddles from Goblet of Fire and wondering if they foreshadow anything into the final books, specifically the riddle related to the Black Lake and the riddle relating to the Sphinx. And I know you guys took a look at this editorial earlier, so you have a little bit of a better idea of what she was trying to get across. But, I guess we can start with the riddle from the Black Lake and just kind of seeing what you guys thought, and its relationship to Sirius Black?

Andrew: Are you talking about the riddle - the Merpeople's riddle?

Micah: Yes.

Andrew: That she talks about? Okay.

Micah: Should we read it? You can.

Andrew: I have it up.

Come seek us where our voices sound,
We cannot sing above the ground,
And while you're searching, ponder this:
We've taken what you'll sorely miss,
An hour long you'll have to look,
And recover what we took,
But past an hour--the prospect's black,
Too late, it's gone, it won't come back.

So, this editorial takes different lines of this riddle and explains what each of them means in relation to, basically, Harry having to go into the veil and pulling someone out? Right?

Micah: Right. Or seeking somebody out to get information.

Andrew: Of the veil.

Micah: Yes.

Andrew: So, the first part of the riddle, "Come seek us where our voices sound, / We cannot sing above the ground..." She talks about this in relation to Harry being unable to understand the voices in the Department of Mysteries. And then, the next part of the poem, "And while you're searching, ponder this: / We've taken what you'll sorely miss..." And the author comes up with some ideas of who Harry's missing: Sirius, Dumbledore, and obviously, his parents. But then, further on in the riddle, "But past an hour--the prospect's black..." - Sirius Black - "Too late, it's gone it won't come back." And this is sort of in relation to Harry - er, Sirius falling into the veil, and he fell back into it. And the author goes on to say that maybe he could come back because he - it wasn't a normal death. He fell into this veil. It wasn't like all the other deaths, where he's hit with Avada Kadavra or some unfortunate accident.

Micah: Didn't she also argue that it's possible something could come up and he'll have an hour to go into the veil and...

Andrew: Right.

Micah: ...seek out Sirius and either find out information - possibly even about his brother. And he only has a certain about of time to do this and if he doesn't complete it in time, then he won't be able to retrieve the information that he needs.

Andrew: Right. So it's...

Micah: Which I thought was kind of interesting.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Because this isn't something I've ever heard before.

Andrew: Yeah, this was a very interesting theory. Right, and she was saying that she was surprised it hasn't really been brought up before because the riddle involving the potions, I think it was? She made a reference to it but I couldn't find anymore information on it. Do you know anything about that, Micah?

Micah: What potions? The ones from...

Andrew: In Sorcerer's Stone.

Micah: Yeah, the room that he has to go to?

Andrew: Right. Each different potion represented a Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher?

Micah: Yeah, I think I've heard something about that. I don't - like you said, I don't...

Andrew: That's what she made a reference to. Anyone else know about that?

Micah: Greg?

Greg: I hadn't heard anything of it until I read this article. So, nope.

Andrew: Basically, each potion represented each Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. I guess with - I don't even know [laughs]. I tried looking it up but I couldn't find anything.

Micah: That was just another example of how Jo had hidden things in earlier books? Or...

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And so what she's saying is this - the Merpeople's riddle could possibly foreshadow what we will see in Book 7 because, obviously, it didn't happen in Book 5 or 6 yet. Yeah, it's very interesting. And we will include a link in the "Show Notes" so everyone can take a look at it and read it through. It's very detailed. She definitely did her research. Who's this girl? Kristie E.R. It's her pen name.



Clues Left Behind


Andrew: So, another question we have here: What clues has Dumbledore left for Harry, if any, and will we see him or Sirius again? Go ahead, explain it, Ben.

Ben: Well, JK Rowling mentioned that Sirius was given - Sirius gave Harry the two-way mirrors and she said that it might hold more significance in the future books. So, I don't know if it means that Harry will be able to communicate with him beyond the veil, or what exactly it means.

Andrew: But will - what about seeing Dumbledore again? Or, what clues has Dumbledore left for Harry? I think that Dumbledore hasn't really left any clues for Harry because he told him everything he needed to know in Book 6, and basically, he said - and I think he thinks that it's Harry's time to figure this out all on his own. And I'm sure he has full confidence in him. Greg, do you think Dumbledore's left any clues for Harry?

Greg: It's possible. It's one of those things that - I mean, we have one book left and at this point, I'm just thinking, theories, who cares? We're going to read the next book and it'll all be over. So, I absolutely - I have no opinion on that. I'll be a nice little politician here.

Andrew: [laughs] Micah, has Dumbledore left any clues for Harry?

Micah: I agree with what you said. I think he taught him a lot. And it all depends really - this is what we were talking about yesterday. If he had any time to plan before his death, and if he knew what was going to happen in the end. If he took any steps to leave certain clues for him behind.

Andrew: But what about Sirius? Anything else besides the two-way mirror? I mean, it's been a whole book now and I think we would have seen something by now. I don't think it's just going to pop up in Book 7.

Greg: When we're introduced to something, such as an Animagus, or something like that, we're given time to think about it. Such as in Book 1, we're shown what an Animagus is. In Book 3, we're given a lot of detail. So, perhaps that is why Book 6 had nothing to do - didn't tell you about the mirrors, because she wanted you to kind of think about it for a while. And then she'll throw it back in there in Book 7. Because she does that a lot.

Andrew: Yeah, good point. And thatís really the reason why this whole Harry Potter community with theories and speculation and groups of analysis and all that have really spawned, because she gives us all this time to think about it, rather than just at the beginning of the book, some new thing, such as the two-way mirror pops up, and then at the end of the book, itís already answered. She gives us time. Thatís the beauty of it.

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: Thank you. Iím here all week.



Horcruxes: Take Five Million


Andrew: Next question: We wanted to revisit Horcruxes again. We talked about them a lot in the beginning of the early days of MuggleCast as it was right after Book 6, and we were all like, [deep gasp] "Horcruxes are so cool!"

[Greg laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] So, so, now we wanted to revisit exactly what Dumbledore said when he listed where he thought they - where he thought the final Horcruxes were, or all the Horcruxes were in Half-Blood Prince: Tom Riddle's diary, Gaunt's ring, Slytherin's locket, Hufflepuff's cup. So, what of Gryffindor's, what of Ravenclaw's, and Nagini? So, what could it be of Gryffindor's, Greg?

Greg: Could it be the Sorting Hat? I think that's something many people have already come up with, but it could easily be anything that Dumbledore owned, or just anything in the castle. But then, it could have been the sword of Godric Gryffindor. It could have been that hat.

Andrew: Mhm.

Greg: It could have been anything. Who knows? Since Nagini was already a Horcrux, maybe it could be Fawkes? Who knows?

Ben: Do we actually know Nagini is a Horcrux?

Andrew: Nuh uh.

Greg: Well, we don't, but we speculate.

Andrew: That's what everyone believes.

Ben: One theory with the Sorting Hat is that when Voldemort goes in Dumbledore's office in Half-Blood Prince to interview for the Defense Against the Dark Arts teaching job, there's this part where he has a flick of his wrist, and many people think that he might have made the Sorting Hat or something in Dumbledore's office a Horcrux at that time.

Andrew: Ohhh. Interesting.

Micah: But my question about that is wouldn't he have just had to have killed somebody in order to do that?

Ben: We have to see that. We don't know the process that goes into actually making a Horcrux, if you understand what I'm saying.

Micah: Yeah. That's a good point. I was just assuming that somebody would have to have been killed, and then you would have to do it immediately as opposed to taking some time. I donít think we know anything really about Ravenclaw.

Andrew: Well, it would probably be - it would probably be an artifact, wouldn't it be? Because we have Slytherin's locket and then Hufflepuff's cup. So, from each house, it must be some important item of - it would be something in Rowena's possession, or was in her possession.

Micah: So, you're thinking...

[Ben and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Huh?

Micah: So, something with like an R encrusted on it, or...

Andrew: Right.

Micah: I guess it says here that Ravenclaw's symbol, judging from the Hogwarts crest, is a bronze eagle. So, maybe something that's lying around the school that...

Andrew: Right. Now, as for Nagini. I mean, Nagini is not official, but the reason that everyone seems to think that it's Nagini is because Nagini is Voldemort's giant snake that he's really attached to. But I'm...

Micah: And that Dumbledore himself brought it up as a possibility.



Harry The Horcrux


Andrew: And what else could be a possible Horcrux? What about Harry? What do you guys think about the whole Harry-being-a-Horcrux thing, when he cursed him that fine day?

Ben: JK Rowling said that Harry couldn't be a Horcrux on her website.

Andrew: Oh, that's right.

Greg: She didn't say his scar was, though, did she? Could some individual part...

Andrew: Yes.

Greg: ... of him could be?

Andrew: Yeah. Is the scar a part of him? Part of him?

Micah: One thing that works well for that is Dumbledore thought that Voldemort had only created six Horcruxes up until the night that the Potters were killed. So...

Andrew: Really?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I don't remember that. When did he say that?

Micah: Somewhere in Half-Blood Prince [laughs].

Andrew: Well, duh [laughs], but I mean, like...

Micah: I don't have a page number. I can try to find it, though.

Andrew: All right. I guess it doesn't really matter.



Other Possibilities


Micah: But the Lexicon lists a couple others, and they're usually pretty good.

Andrew: Uh huh.

Micah: One was the Basilisk from The Chamber of Secrets, and they like that because it is extremely long-lived and well hidden.

Andrew: That's true.

Micah: Or it was, anyway.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And the other one was Wormtail's silver hand right after he killed Cedric.

Andrew: I don't know. It doesn't seem like - I don't understand.

Micah: That - I don't like that one.

Andrew: Me, neither, because Wormtail is Voldemort's assistant, and I don't think Voldemort has enough trust in him to have Wormtail actually protect a Horcrux. Would Wormtail even know it?

Micah: No. Probably not.

Andrew: That would be a nice final debt to Harry, giving him the Horcrux. Hmmm? Hmmm?

Micah: Ahhh! Yeah!

Andrew: Yeah. Ah ha ha?!

[Micah and Greg laugh]

Andrew: Thank you.

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