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MuggleCast 51 Transcript

Show Intro

Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: Because 50 episodes of MuggleCast just wasn't enough, this is MuggleCast Episode 51 for August 13th, 2006.

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Hello everyone, welcome back to the show. I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen, in the middle of the street in Nebraska...

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: ...stealing someone's wi-fi.

Laura: [laughs] I'm Laura Thompson.

Jamie: Oooh! And I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Andrew: And this is the show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, theories, discussions and we're driving in Nebraska. But, before we go anywhere else, first let's check in with [laughs] Micah Tannenbaum for the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.


Micah: MSN has now posted a complete video from the second night of An Evening With Harry, Carrie, and Garp. The charity readings with JK Rowling, Stephen King, and John Irving took place on August 1 and 2 in NYC.

B1 Media, the company which produced the Goblet of Fire DVD, has won for "Major Technical - Best Menu Design" at the 9th annual DVD Awards. †

Producer John Pohl commented, "We're honored that this award recognized the elaborate and expressive 3D achievement and strong sense of design the menus displayed. The artistic excellence of these menus contributed to an incredible DVD experience and was a result of the sacrifice that our 3D, composite and design teams made."

JK's Army, the team who gives MuggleNet fans advice on buying or selling Harry Potter memorabilia, has started a new campaign urging eBay to clamp down on the selling of fraudulent Harry Potter merchandise. They need your help. That's a scary thought. To find out more about this worthwhile effort and how you can help bring about change, head over to MuggleNet's Main Page.†

The Scotsmanreports that Jo has donated a handbag of hers to be auctioned off at the new members' club 29, in Glasgow's Royal Exchange Square on October 6th. Jo took the small black Rodo purse to the premiere of Sorcerer's Stone.

In a new interview, first published in Surrey Life, Draco Malfoy actor Tom Felton talks about his acting career, hobbies, Harry Potter, and what he's been up to lately. He says filming for the Potter movies is always fun and that it's weird to see the final product.

Finally, WB has confirmed that Order of the Phoenix will be released in Argentina on July 12th, 2007. As more dates are announced, we will bring them to you.† There a few new Order of the Phoenix set pictures, including one of Dan Radcliffe over on†

That's all the news for this August 13th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast.† Back to the show.

Ben Recording While Driving In Nebraska

Ben: There's a car passing and I'm laying down. Hold on.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: False alarm, they turned, they turned.

Laura: Wouldn't it be awesome if Ben got arrested and we were recording?

Ben: Live on MuggleCast.

Jamie: Oh, it would be so funny. It would be Spy on Schoen.

Ben: This is ridiculous. I drove three-and-a-half hours tonight tired as - more tired than you can imagine.

Jamie: Tired and soaked to his skin.

Ben: And I get here to record MuggleCast and I go to the library to steal their wi-fi...

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Ben...

Ben: They had it encrypted...

Jamie: I think the term is "use" not "steal."

Ben: "Use" their wi-fi. They have it password protected. And so I drive around this small podunk town, searching for wi-fi and I found some and now I am parked in the middle of the street...

[Laura laughs]

Ben: rolled up in my car. It's about 5,000 degrees and I'm here to do MuggleCast.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: So, I am the most dedicated MuggleCaster...

Jamie: That's commitment to you?

Laura: That is devotion.

Ben: ...EVER.

Jamie: Are we still streaming this to the FBI, Andrew? Or did we stop?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, I think we're going to have to stop after this episode.

Jamie: Okay, cool.


Andrew: Eric will be joining us in a minute, but for now, let's do some announcements.

Don't forget, everyone, to purchase your MuggleCast t-shirt, especially now. Now is a very critical time to purchase your MuggleCast t-shirt, because there are rumors going around that all t-shirts that do not promote MuggleCast are going to burst into flames within the week.

Jamie: Yep.

Laura: Oh, no!

Ben: Mhm. I've heard this rumor.

Jamie: I don't think it's a rumor, I think it's true.

Ben: There's also a rumor going around that the current MuggleCast t-shirts may be going out of stock.

Andrew: [laughs] So, now is the time to buy.

Ben: Ooo.

Andrew: That's right.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: No, but seriously, if you do want to support the show, please purchase a MuggleCast t-shirt. As you know, we are taking a trip to California later in September and we need some money to get us out there. So, any help will be appreciated, and you get a cool shirt also.

Ben: An awesome shirt.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: And, Podcast Alley, place your votes for support and the Podcast Awards are now closed. We thank everyone who has voted, once a day and unfortunately...

Ben: Only if you've voted once a day.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: Otherwise...

Andrew: No thank you. [Still laughing]

Laura: Mhm.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: No, thanks to everyone and we unfortunately won't know the winners - well, we won't know the winner of the "People's Choice" category until actually the ceremony. So, we'll know if PotterCast won in "Entertainment," but we won't know if we won in "People's Choice." Which, is worrisome because we don't want to all fly out there [laughs] and lose, but...

Laura: [Laughs] Yeah.

Ben: Oh well. Oh well.

Andrew: Oh well, it will still be fun.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Andrew, I had something I wanted to do really quick.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: I got a couple of things from the PO Box today, thank you Ben. One was from Patricia. She sent me some hand decorated shoes - they're pretty cool. She did them in my three favorite colors. And then Lauren sent me this really cool shirt and she hand-embroidered this really awesome pattern on it. It's got a flower and a dove and it's really, really awesome and I'm wearing it right now. So, I just wanted to say thank you to them.

Ben: Awesome.

Laura: That was very sweet and thanks to Ben for sending them. [laughs]

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: Finally. A little update about the PO Box. I finally got my butt in gear.

Jamie: Yeah.

Ben: The other day I actually responded to a letter. I am a changed man.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: So, please send anything, everything to the PO Box.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Can I just thank Julius Caesar for that excellent piece of papyrus he sent me. I only just got it, thanks to Ben.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Because he was a bit late. But, it's very nice Julius, thank you. And, I'm sorry you got stabbed.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: It was a nice thought.

Listener Rebuttals - Comments on Episode 50

Andrew: Listener rebuttals this week. Jamie do you want to take the first one?

Jamie: Yep. This is from Casey, 15 from Wyoming. She says:

"Hi, I just want to say I loved the last episode," that was Episode 50, our one-year anniversary episode. "Especially with all of the music. I especially like Your Song by Elton John..." There you go, Ben! "...because my choir had to sing it one year for a concert, and even though no one else liked it, I did." And here comes the award for sarcastic comment of the century.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]


"Also, I wanted to tell Jamie that he has a beautiful voice, and should pursue a career in music."

Andrew: Oh, wow.

Jamie: Thank you for that.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]


"I love the shows, and it is the highlight of my week. Peace!" Thank you very much Casey.

Ben: [sings] "I just want to tell everybody, this is your song."

Voicemail - Cascada

Andrew: Jamie, we also got a voicemail this week that I thought you should take a listen to. I know you mentioned to me earlier this week that you thought, maybe you could write to Cascada and get a little money out of this because you have been promoting them.

Jamie: Exactly. Definitely.

Andrew: So, I think this voicemail will help you out.

Jamie: Go for it. [Audio]: Hey, MuggleCasters! This is Emily and I'm from Missouri. And, I just wanted to tell you that I hated the song "Every Time We Touch" until I heard Jamie sing it or, the part of it that you did post him singing. Anyway, thank you so much for giving me a new favorite song. Bye!

Jamie: Awww.

Laura: Awww.

Jamie: Isn't that lovely? Thank you very much. And, I will be writing to Cascada now and I will be requesting ten pounds every single time that song is played.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Jamie: That can get us to California.

Listener Rebuttal - Every Time We Touch

Andrew: Yeah, in no time. Next song Ray Mur - not song. [laughs] Next rebuttal comes from Ray Murphy of Ireland. He writes:

"Just thought I'd say how is it Jamie didn't hear that song until he went to America? I myself am from Ireland and us and the United Kingdom kind of share the music charts. The same songs are released at the same time, Cascada's "Every Time We Touch" has been released here for its second time this year and is constantly on all music video channels and radio stations. Thought I'd just bring dat up. Class show buds." [laughs]

Thanks for writing in real English words. [laughs]

[Ben laughs]

Jamie: No seriously, Ray. It's just I don't really pay attention to the charts, I think. So, and I don't really watch the music channels and stuff so I get stuff late. Although, I might add that I sent Ben "Mr. Brightside" by The Killers - no, no sorry. It wasn't Ben. It was...

Andrew: Emerson?

Jamie: ...Emerson, yeah. I sent that song to him about two months before it got big over there so that's my claim to fame.

Ben: Actually, you sent me James Blunt's...

Jamie: Oh, so there you go.

Ben: ...You're Beautiful like, four months before it got big over here.

Andrew: Really? Hmm.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Mhm.

Andrew: Next...

Ben: [sings] You're beautiful.

Andrew: Oh god! This show, really, we should call it "MuggleCast: Music Mix" or something.

Jamie: Music - yeah.

Andrew: Something funny. Insert it there. Next one comes...

Ben: I don't think music mix quite, [laughs] quite does the trick, Andrew.

Andrew: [laughs] Thanks for the support, Ben.

Jamie: [laughs] MusicCast. That is original.

Listener Rebuttal - Will The Trio Survive Book Seven?

Andrew: Next rebuttal comes from Meghan of Nova Scotia, age 20. She writes:

"I completely... [laughs] I completely agree [Laura laughs] with what Ben said on this subject. It's not realistic to me for all of them to survive. All three of them are still quite young and are not all that powerful. Why should they make it out of the final battle alive and others more powerful should die? It is just not probable."

Jamie: Thank you, Meghan. This is what I've been trying to say for so long. That it's not a fairy tale. These people - you know, if three 16-year-olds who haven't learned as much magic are going to war with all these adults who are qualified and everything, they can't all survive. It's, it's just - it would be completely unrealistic. Although, I hope...

Laura: No one said that all the 16-year-olds were going to...

Ben: So Jamie, you - Jamie, you agree with me?

Laura: ...were going to survive, though.

Jamie: No. No, no, no. No. I agree that it is unrealistic to expect all three, considering the task they've taken on and the danger. Lupin said in Order of the Phoenix that there are dangers involved that they can have no idea of and they still don't have any idea of. And it's just some of the stuff they're going to be up against - dark magic they haven't experienced before, spells they don't even know. It's just, I really think it's improbable that they're all going to survive. It's a horrible thought, but...

Andrew: Yeah.

Listener Rebuttal - Every Time We Touch

Andrew: In relation to that rebuttal, Bryan, age 16, from Pennsylvania writes:

"Though this e-mail is for all you MuggleCasters in general, I particularly - blarh - particularly [Andrew and Laura laughs] have something to say to Laura."

Laura: Oh no.


"I don't understand why you and the majority of the MuggleCasters are so convinced that JKR 'slipped-up' about the Trio living through the series."

Jamie: Oooh.


"I have watched the entire video you guys just posted, and I honestly wasn't given that impression at all. Laura, mmm girl, [Jamie and Laura laugh] you tried to say that JKR said, after naming the Trio, 'But I'm the only one that knows who lives through Book Seven.' She never says this!"

Jamie: Apart from Chuck Norris.


"The only thing she does say... [laughs] The only thing she does say, after the audience begins to shout out names, is: "I'm the only one that knows who's actually dead."

And he is correct. I'm reading the transcript now.

Laura: He is. What I would like to say in relation to that, though, Bryan...

Ben: Ha! In your face, Laura.

Andrew: No, no, no.

Laura: Hey! Shut up, Ben.

[Jamie laughs]

Laura: Anyway, you went on in your e-mail to kind of discuss how it was misleading to misquote her and I completely agree with you. However, I think that her saying, "I'm the only one who knows who's actually dead" implies that she's the only one who knows who dies in Book Seven. So, that was why that thought came into my head because I only went to the readings. I didn't actually go through and read the transcripts and get the actual quote, so you were absolutely right, but I do think that it was somewhat of a slip-up on her part because she did say she was the only one who knew...

Andrew: It was.

Laura: ...that died. So, yeah.

Andrew: It was. I think that gives it away. And let's read that whole part right now. I have the transcript up right here. She says - I'm very prepared tonight.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: She says, "I'd take Harry to apologize to him. I'd have to take Harry, Ron, and Hermione. I would...this is...see...I know who's actually..." Well, what happens... King says - Stephen King says to her, "Hagrid. Take Hagrid." And then JK Rowling says, "See, I know who's actually dead." But I mean, that could also be saying that Hagrid dies.

Ben: But she never actually said that she was inviting only people who live to the table.

Andrew: No, but...

Ben: I don't see how that's - I don't see how that's implied.

Andrew: Because she's saying, "See, I know who's actually dead."

Laura: Because she's saying... Yeah.

Andrew: She's talking about who she would take to dinner who's alive.

Laura: That was alive, yeah. I guess it's just a matter of opinion, really, but that was how I perceived it. [laughs]

Ben: You guys are wrong, okay?

Andrew: Hold on. And then Stephen King says...

Ben: [laughs] Just kidding.

Andrew: "Pretend you can take anyone." And then she says, "Pretend I can take anyone? Well then, I would definitely take Dumbledore."

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: "I'd take Dumbledore, Harry, Ron, Hermione, and, Hagrid. I'd take Hagrid." Okay?

Jamie: What'd she say to them?

Ben: So that means Hagrid's going to die?

Jamie: Maybe, no. But what would she say to them, though? She's just sitting there. "So, I wrote you." [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Correct, Jamie. Correct.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Thank you. That would be an interesting conversation.

Eric Joins The Show

Andrew: Now moving on to our main discussion this week. Oh! Hold on, hold on. Well, he should be recording when he comes in. Let's see if he's a good enough podcaster to be doing that.

Jamie: Yeah, is he prepared?

Andrew: Eric, are you recording? Eric?

Eric: Hi.

Andrew: Hey, are you recording?

Eric: Yes, I am.

Laura: Hey Eric.

Eric: Hey everybody.

Andrew: Oh! He is a good podcaster. Everybody, a round of applause. Eric Scull has just joined us in the Skype chat this evening.

[All clap]

Laura: Yay!

Eric: Oh, wow.

Ben: Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Eric Scull!

[All laugh]

Eric: Thank you, thank you.

Andrew: Nice one, Ben.

Jamie: Why don't you give an opening speech? Actually, wait.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Eric: [laughs sarcastically] No, anyway. What are we talking about?

Andrew: We just wrapped up listener rebuttals and we were just transitioning into our main discussion when you so kindly conference called. So...

Ben: Eric, I need your praises. I am in the middle of a street...

[Jamie laughs]

Ben: a small town in Nebraska, stealing someone's wi-fi. Aren't I the best MuggleCaster ever? Or what?

Jamie: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yes, Ben. Three praises for Ben.

Laura: Sure, Ben.

Eric: Round of applause for Ben, everybody. [claps]

Andrew: Oh, we already did. We already had one.

[Everyone laugh]

Jamie: I can beat that.

Ben: Yeah.

Jamie: I can beat that, Ben.

Eric: I can, too.

Andrew: How? Oh, yeah.

Jamie: I'm...

Andrew: What time is it there?

Jamie: I'm hanging... Oh well, yeah. Well, no, apart from it being 4:54 a.m., I'm floating down a river...

[Everyone laugh]

Jamie: ...hanging onto a raft...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: ...and I've put my laptop on top and Skype's open and it's a very nice laptop and it could fall in.

[Everyone laugh]

Ben: Oh, really. Yeah.

Jamie: So I'm ten times - ten times more committed than you are, Ben.

Eric: I...

Laura: Well, not to mention the nine hour flight to get over here for the live shows.

Andrew: [laughs]Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah. Exactly, exactly.

Eric: Guys, I've just worked two jobs - yay for me - in one day. I worked 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. full-time at school, and then I worked from 5 p.m. until 11:30 p.m. at the movies, so I'm kind of mellowed-out here, but, yeah.

Andrew: Awww.

Ben: Okay, well let's move on with the main discussion...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

[Jamie laughs]

Ben: ...because it's already 100 degrees in my car and this laptop is adding to the heat and...

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Jamie: [sings] That's why they call you Mr. Fahrenheit.

Ben: ...and the car is starting to fog up.

Andrew: Okay, well, our...[laughs]

Laura: Roll down your window a crack!

Ben: I can't because then my lights will come on again.

Eric: [singing] Here in my car, life is safest of all. I can lock all my doors.

Jamie: Very good Eric, Gary Newman.

Eric: Yes, Gary Newman, Cars. Download it, everybody.

Jamie: Very good. It's a good song.

Andrew: Too much music on this show. Too much music.

Eric: Oh, there is.

Andrew: I'm just kidding. Who handles music?

Ben: R.I.A.

Andrew: Yeah, they're going to come after us.

Main Discussion - Book Seven Theories

Andrew: Main discussion this week: Book Seven theories. And we're going to start off with one today by Jamie Lawrence.

Jamie: This is a kind of big discussion, and it's a weird discussion, because I've never seen any conclusive evidence throughout the entire series. Because some theories, they start of with Book One, and they carry on and get more solid and things change, but you can always follow them. Whereas this one, it's complete speculation. So, we'll probably be completely wrong, and in two years when the book comes out - yes, two years, not Summer 2007, I'm sorry, but Summer 2008 ĖĖ when the book comes out. We'll probably be proven wrong. But anyway, here goes.

[Laura laughs]

Harry's Eyes

Jamie: We're going to talk about Harry's eyes. JK Rowling has said Harry's eyes and their similarity to Lily's is paramount to the series as a whole, completely essential. So, I'd question, such as what is the relationship between their eyes? Are his physical eyes going to play a part, or does it show some kind of bond between them? Do you think that the color is important? And just what exactly do they mean?

Let me start off with something, okay? Let me put something out there. Harry's eyes have been described several times, and it's been driven home by Jo that his eyes are green, and obviously there's the Slytherin connection. What could that mean? And, of course, we've seen an increase in the people who thinks Snape likes Lily. So, is there any kind of Slytherin connection there between them?

Eric: Snape is his father.

Jamie: Yes, Eric, yes!

Laura: Ewww. It's just really difficult, because we keep hearing that we're going to see what the big deal is about their eyes, and it hasn't happened yet, and one would think that if it was so important, the movies would get it right. But Daniel Radcliffe has blue eyes, so I don't understand.

Jamie: No, Laura, it's fine. They'll just tie him down and inject some green dye into his eyes, and that will make it all worthwhile, won't it? You know, that's fine.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: We'll do that for the next one.

Andrew: Well, they'll probably be kicking themselves when Movie Seven comes along...

Jamie: Yeah, they will. Yeah.

Andrew: ...and they're like, "Hmmm, I guess we'd better change his eyes." But that can be solved with contacts.

Eric: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: No, Jo wouldn't have let that happen. If it was that important, his eyes would have been green.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, but she said it's very important, but I found on Google one absolutely charming Harry Potter fan put a theory out there. He suggests that Harry will go to Godric's Hollow, go to his mother's grave, pluck out her eyeballs, and then he will finally have, "his mother's eyes."

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: That's... That's...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Ah, that's a wonderful theory.

Eric: That's absolutely charming, as you put it, Jamie.

Laura: That's very charming.

Jamie: Whoever that was, I think you're onto a winner there, son.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: But in all seriousness guys, do you think there's - does anyone have any idea, any speculation on what the eyes mean?

Eric: Well, I'd like to give some credit to Jamie for coming up with, making this a somewhat worthwhile discussion.

Jamie: Thank you, Eric.

Eric: Well, the whole eye thing, it's a matter of, if eyes are, as you said, the underlying thing of the book, then itís also to say that if he has his motherís eyes, that love - I think it just reinforces love being a central theme of the book. Because Lily loved Harry and died for him and all that stuff. And all these connections to his mother, and love, and maybe even Snapeís love for Lily just underlies love. How is love going to play a part in the next book? Iíd really like to know, because love so far hasnít really acted as like a force against Voldemort with the exception for those very few times where it crippled him very much so.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: But beyond that itís just...

Ben: Well the...

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: But when Lily sacrificed herself back when Harry was a baby, that was the first way love played any role in the series.

Eric: Right. And love in the future kind of played a little on the back burner, as far as circumstances, how Harry made friends, the certain relationships he had because he could love, because he could forgive. Things like that, thatís how Pettigrew owes him the debt. Things like that. Love does kind of... If you look carefully enough, love does weave itself in between everything, including Pettigrew, including maybe even Dumbledore. Iím sure you could draw love connections through everything. As a result of Harry loving, this has happened. So, weíve not seen anything, have we, like certain things only eyes can do, or certain eyes?

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, thereís never been really a separate thing of eyes. I mean, fingers you can even call are more important than eyes, because long fingers apparently signifies - and there's enough evidence to guess this. Longer fingers mean greater power.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: But it doesnít seem like thereís any eye signifiers out there.

Jamie: Perhaps heís inherited Lilyís x-ray vision, and heís going to find all the Horcruxes. Something like that.

Andrew: Lily has x-ray vision?

Jamie: Yeah, didnít you know that, Andrew?

Andrew: No.

Jamie: You seriously need to reread Book One, seriously.

Andrew: I know. [laughs] Iím sorry.

Laura: I just think itís interesting that green is the color thatís supposed to represent envy, and Harry is anything but envious, don't you think?

Ben: Well, heís envied a lot.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, thatís true. I just think that since he has the power of love, itís just interesting to me that something that is so often reinforced in the series is that he has his motherís eyes, and they are bright emerald green. So, I just thought that was interesting.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: The whole Slytherin thing is interesting, but I think itís kind of weak, because thereís what, four eye colors?

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, and Voldemort has red eyes, Gryffindor color.

Andrew: Oh!

Eric: Yeah, surely Voldemort doesnít have red eyes because he loves so much that itís just, you know? Itís like saying, youíre so full of poo that youíre eyes are brown. It just has no correlation whatsoever.

Jamie: Yeah, I guess. I don't know. So, weíll open this to you all. Write in, and tell us what you think about Harryís eyes, and their significance in the series as a whole, their significance with Lily, weather there is a Slytherin connection, and weather you think Harry will go to his motherís grave, pluck out her eyeballs, and then he will finally have his motherís eyes.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: I think itís a pretty solid theory, so, weíll see if you agree.

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