MuggleCast 53 Transcript (continued)
Listener Rebuttal - The Price of Gas
Andrew: And, last rebuttal comes from Doug of Brisbane, Australia. He writes about fuel prices because we talked about this last week.
Laura: Oh, geez.
Andrew: And this kills me.
"Hey, just listening to the show. I heard the outrageous prices of fuel in the US and UK. We have it too easy down here with $1.20 AU per liter, which is approximately 90 cents in the United States."
Laura: That makes me want to cry.
Andrew: I know. [laughs]
Jamie: I'd buy that just for the sake of buying it - Petrol. I mean, just...
Laura: What was that, Andrew?
Jamie: ...store it somewhere.
Andrew: Ship it back here. Do you drive, Laura?
Andrew: Oh, you do? I didn't know that.
Laura: I'm almost 18-years old. I do drive.
Eric: Laura drives?
Eric: What color car do you have? Is it pink? [laughs]
Laura: I don't have my own car. I use my dad's.
Eric: Does it have zebra skin? Oh. Okay, never mind.
Eric: When you get a car, will it have zebra skin?
Jamie: You'll have to explain this joke, Eric. I must admit, I think I'm a bit behind. [laughs]
Eric: It's not a joke, I just picture Laura as having - okay, sorry. Andrew's conversing with a reporter so we can just continue to ask Laura strange questions...
Andrew: I was conversing with a reporter.
Eric: From apparently no origin. Huh?
Andrew: [laughs] I was conversing with the reporter.
Andrew: Say 'hi' to the listeners.
Toni: Hi listeners!
Andrew: This is Toni from the Philadelphia Inquirer and - when is this article going to be in the...
Reporter: Sunday, likely.
Andrew: Oh, Sunday? Okay.
Eric: Hi Toni! I'm down here in Reading, check me out.
Andrew: Eric says "Hi from Reading."
Laura: I'm from Cumming.
Andrew: When I told her you were from Cumming over the phone, she was like, "What's that again?"
Andrew: I spelled it. It was awkward.
Jamie: I'm Cumming.
Andrew: So, yeah.
Main Discussion - Aberforth Dumbledore
Andrew: Yeah. Our main discussion this week is Aberforth Dumbledore. And Eric, you put this little one together, so...
Jamie: Little one? [laughs]
Andrew: ...you're in charge. No not little, sorry
Eric: I don't put any little ones together.
Andrew: [laughs] All right, go for it Eric.
Eric: Okay, I have a little bit of an introduction, but then we are going to follow an actual structured thing which is in the Writely. So everybody, check this out. Okay, all MuggleCasters, on deck here for this one. Okay. Listen. Okay, in Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 16, pg. 335, US edition, Hermione leads Harry and Ron through Hogsmeade on their first free weekend, to the place where an unknown amount of students are going to come to hear Harry's plans for the soon-to-be DA. Basically they're all coming to hear a story. You guys remember this?
Eric: Hermione sets the whole thing up, and he just kind of follows it after a while. Anyway, so he asks Hermione, "Where are we going, anyway?" And Hermione says, "The Three" well, Harry suggests the Three Broomsticks. She says, "'Oh no,' said Hermione, coming out of her reverie, 'no, it's always packed and really noisy. I've told the others to meet us in the Hog's Head, that other pub, you know the one, it's not on the main road. I think it's a bit ...you know...dodgy.'"
The Hog's head is described as being not at all like the Three Broomsticks. Its small, dirty, one room, and it smells like goats. [laughs] This is the place where Hagrid once won Norbert the dragon, as an egg, and everyone in it typically keeps their heads covered, and their minds to their own business. Now, what's important about the Hog's Head apart from its location, which we'll talk about in a few minutes is the bartender. After many hints and references to goats and all that, JK Rowling finally told us that the bartender is actually Aberforth Dumbledore, Albus' brother. This connection, I suppose, is where the mystery and discussion really begins.
Aberforth was first mentioned in Book Four by Dumbledore; Rita Skeeter's article on Hagrid comes out, and in order to cheer him up Dumbledore tells of how his brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practicing illegal charms on a goat. It was apparently something really big in the papers [laughter] I know, goats, right? But Aberforth continued to, quote, "go about his business as usual," though Dumbledore then expresses concern that Aberforth may not know how to read.
Now, this is what I want to bring up first about Aberforth; his first conversation and appearance to Habby er, Harry. [laughs] In Chapter 16 of Order of the Phoenix, "In The Hog's Head," he's described as, "a grumpy looking old man, with a great deal of long hair and a beard. He's tall, thin, and looks vaguely familiar to Harry." Harry walks up to him to order a Butterbeer, and all he gets from him is a grunt, [imitates Aberforth] "What?" [laughs] The only other choice words Aberforth has for Harry is, [imitates Aberforth again] "six sickles," which he takes from Harry almost blatantly, and the he goes to help someone else. In fact, Ron finds Aberforth so shady that he discusses trying to get a Firewhisky off of him, even though he is underage; Hermione scowls.
So, first question is, what exactly do you guys think is up with Aberforth? [laughs] I mean, illegal charms on a goat, grunts for an answer, and he polishes cleans his cups with a dirty rag that looks like it's never been washed before, and he actually makes the drinking glasses dirtier. "'The Hog's Head is a-bring-your-own-glass establishment,' advises Professor Flitwick to Hermione," and it seems like the barman is completely nuts.
The Role of Aberforth
So do you think that Aberforth is pretending to be stupid, or is he really just this creepy, distant, kind of in-the-background guy?
Jamie: I think...
Andrew: I think he's the creepy...
Jamie: In the distant...
[Everyone begins to agree]
Jamie: I agree.
Laura: Whenever I heard about illegal charms on goats, uh, that pretty much confirmed...
Laura: What I feel about him, is that he's kind of creepy and out there, and goats. I just...
Eric: And goats.
[Laura and Eric laugh]
Laura: That's all I have to say.
Eric: Well, still it kind of fits, though. In an interesting way, do you think that Dumbledore and Aberforth Dumbledore would be brothers? Because they're both, kind of whimsical in their own ways. I guess...
Eric: It makes sense that if doesn't it make sense that if Albus is this, you know, social genius, and he knows how to work people like Fudge knows how to get out of tight spots, doesn't it seem fitting that his brother would be just as weird, with obviously lacking some of those skills they kind of compliment each other, do you think?
Andrew: Right. Like the Ugly Duckling.
Laura: I'm not sure he'd be lacking in any skills, though. I mean...
Eric: What? Aberforth?
Laura: Yeah, I mean...
Eric: Because he seems like a social wacko. He is this...
Laura: Well Dumbledore's kind of a social wacko...
Eric: That's true.
Laura: ...he's just a nice one. [laughs]
Eric: That's true. Well, still, goats. You said it yourself.
Jamie: Yeah, I mean it's...
Laura: Well, it doesn't mean he's unintelligent.
Jamie: Laura, so in Cumming, do they just go around, you know...
Jamie: ...picking up goats and, uh...
Laura: No, no, no. See, here you have Uncle Daddy.
Laura: We don't people don't mess with goats here.
[Jamie still laughs]
Aberforth: The Order Member
Eric: So wait, he is actually in the Order. Or he was in the old Order. Back at Grimmauld Place, Mad-Eye Moody is looking at that picture, or he shows Harry that picture of the old Order, including Harry's parents, Wormtail, and that, and it shows Aberforth Dumbledore. Mad-Eye Moody says he only met him once, and that was the time that picture was taken. And so he seems to be really mysterious, even to the other Order members. Because Moody only met him once, and if he's in the Order that seems strange; they always see people dropping by at Headquarters, and that kind of thing.
Laura: Well, think about it. If the Hog's Head is kind of a shady place, what better place...
Jamie: Kind of?
Laura: ...to have an Order member?
Jamie: Yeah, I agree. And, also, it's like there are some people who are on the good side, but you wouldn't want round for dinner. It's like Aberforth he's obviously on the good side, but he isn't the kind of person who you can trust to drop by and, you know? It's like yeah.
Laura: Yeah. He's like Mundungus.
Jamie: It's like Jack Sparrow says in the first Pirates Of The Caribbean...
Laura: [sighs] Oooh, Jack Sparrow.
[Laura and Eric laugh]
Jamie: If I get this 100% right, which I know I won't, it'll be good. It's, "Me, I'm dishonest. It's the honest ones you've got to watch out for. Because..."
Laura: [sighs] Yes.
Jamie: Okay, I don't know. But, you know, it's that he'll always be dishonest, perhaps, Aberforth I can't believe I'm making this parallel. This does not work at all.
Laura: Yes, it does. Johnny Depp works with anything.
Jamie: Yeah. I agree completely.
Andrew: No, he doesn't.
Laura: Yes, he does.
Andrew: You guys are both just fangirls for him.
Jamie: And anyway, ummm...
Laura: I'm not ashamed to admit that.
Jamie: So, he's completely dishonest. And although he can be trusted to help, I don't think he can be trusted with the most sensitive stuff, so perhaps it's that. It's like Mundungus.
Eric: So you think he's untrustworthy?
Jamie: Yes. No, I don't think he's untrustworthy, but he's just, perhaps, incompetent.
Jamie: Yeah, awkward and incompetent.
Eric: Awkward, okay.
Andrew: He's like Eric. We like him, but we just don't want him places.
Eric: We don't want him around. Okay.
Andrew: I'm just kidding, just kidding.
Mundungus In The Hog's Head
Eric: No, that's fine. But, it's funny you mention Dung, because Dung is Mundungus is in the he's in the pub when Harry and them go and try and start the DA, dressed as a veiled witch. Which, actually, Sirius says is because Dung was thrown out of the Hog's Head twenty years before, or something like that. So apparently, Dung is actually banned from the Hog's Head. But in addition to that, in Book Six, Aberforth is actually spotted with Dung in Hogsmeade when right before Katie gets attacked, and when Harry finds Dung stealing Sirius' stuff when they walk up to him, they see the barman. Harry recognizes the barman from the Hog's Head, and just as they start walking up, Aberforth ties his cloak a little bit tighter and walks away. And that's when Harry finds... But Dung and Aberforth were talking, so do you think Aberforth has a hand in Mundungus stealing Sirius' stuff, or was he trying to buy stuff off of him, or what? Because Dung and Aberforth were seen together in that street, but, yet, Dung is supposed to have been banned from the pub, and all sorts of stuff. Is that just for show, is the whole thing just for show?
Strategic Location: The Hog's Head
Andrew: What if he's Albus' outsider.
Eric: I thought so.
Andrew: Not outsider, but he does all the dirty work that he can't really be seen doing.
Jamie: What? Like killing people? [laughs]
Andrew: No, just like with the trades, with Sirius, and stuff like that.
Eric: Well guys, put it this way. The Hog's Head in Hogsmeade Hogsmeade is so close to Hogwarts, so my opinion is that it's a location thing. Because there's obviously, if you want a pub in Hogsmeade, there is either the Three Broomsticks, which is crowded with all these happy-go-lucky people, and then there's the Hog's Head, which is this dusty, grimy place. Everyone keeps their cloaks up and covers their faces. So I'm thinking, if Hogsmeade is kind of a strategic location for Aberforth to have a bar, because the Hog's Head obviously attracts a lot of the shadier, dodgy people. So... Things like well, Hagrid got Norbert there, so I guess it makes sense that Dumbledore would have known about Norbert the whole time.
Jamie: Yeah. It also doesn't seem like a place where you'd be watched; you go there and people don't judge you. It just seems like a place where everyone's weird, and it's okay to be weird there.
Eric: Right, and, like I said, Ron seemed to think Aberforth was really passive, because he was going to try and get a Firewhisky off of him.
Aberforth And The Prophecy
Eric: So that's really interesting. The prophecy because Aberforth was there. Aberforth was the only other person besides Snape, Dumbledore, Harry, and Trelawney, who has anything to do with the prophecy, as far as we know. Because it was the Hog's Head, which is where the prophecy was made, it's where Albus went to interview Sybil and Snape or Trelawney and Snape. And Dumbledore was interviewing both of them that night for a teaching position, which kind of gets into Snape. But basically, during Trelawney's prophecy, Aberforth came in, holding Snape by the scruff of the neck is this correct? And he said, "This man was listening in," or something like that.
Jamie: I think I think we're putting slightly too much importance on him, I must admit.
Eric: Well, he's a main discussion, if we're putting importance on him, it's my fault.
Jamie: No, no, no. It's fine. I think it's interesting that is also shows that he just seems to be part of the plot, but not, you know he's like a fun thing. The thing about goats, the only reason that was there, was so that we recognized him in the bar, as the bartender. It's just it seems like just a challenge to us, to recognize that. It doesn't seem like it's important to the thing as a whole.
Did Aberforth Buy The Locket?
Eric: But the fact that Harry sees Aberforth and Dung together in the street, when Dung is nicking Sirius' stuff, it seems to me that Aberforth might have actually do you think it's possible that he bought the locket off Mundungus? If Dung had actually collected that locket, wouldn't it be really convenient if Aberforth had then bought it off of him? Or something like that? Since we're worried the whole question is, is the locket still at Grimmauld Place, if Dung was stealing the stuff?
Jamie: That's very true, yeah.
Eric: So, then, I've picked this out, thanks to Lexicon, who said that it was Aberforth who was seen. And I thought, well I just have I don't know I have this idea that Aberforth is going to play a really big role in Book Seven. I just...
Laura: Well, do you think he's going to help Harry, at all? Or do you think he's going to be, kind of, a barrier?
Jamie: [says cautiously] Hinder.
Eric: Dung is the barrier. I think that's the contrast, too, between barman and bar-goer, between Dung and Aberforth.
Eric: I think Aberforth is actually yeah, [laughs] bartender and thief. The difference I think Aberforth will help Harry, or something. I mean, Aberforth was there with the prophecy. I mean, come on. He's got to Harry should know this, and Harry should just go into the Hog's Head and ask him a question, because this guy was there, you know?
Jamie: Yeah, I guess so.
Andrew: Well, that's something that does make sense in Book Seven.
How To Reference Aberforth
Eric: Yeah, so wait. Here's a question, guys. If Aberforth is a good is a big character in Book Seven, will she call him Aberforth, or will she call him Dumbledore? Will she slip up and just mention his last name? Because...
Laura: No, she'll call him Aberforth.
Eric: ...wouldn't it be funny if someone...
Jamie: [laughs] Yeah.
Eric: ...if she called him Aberforth the whole time? Because if someone opened the book, and they read, "Dumbledore walked across the room," they would scream it, [imitates a fan's excitement] "Albus is alive! He's alive!"
Will Aberforth Teach DADA?
Andrew: Here's a question...
Eric: [mumbles] Well, kind of funny.
Andrew: ...actually, a couple people e-mailed this. I was just looking through the MuggleCast emails for Aberforth. And, a lot of people seem to think that maybe Aberforth will be the one who takes over the Defense Against the Dark Arts role, because and this comes from Josh of Vermont via Texas, whatever that means.
"I was listening very closely to Claire's listing of the possible DADA teachers coming from current Order members. She was really thorough, listing the lasting members and the most prominent, but JKR herself mentioned that there is a member of the Order we haven't seen at all, who will be playing a role in the seventh book."
Andrew: "After pursuing the Lexicon..."
Who looks at the Lexicon? HP Encyclopedia all the way!
Andrew: "... of living Order members, most of which we've seen, I think that Claire's glaring omission was Aberforth Dumbledore. Maybe he will come in to teach DADA."
Jamie: What? And...
Andrew: What do you guys think?
Eric: [makes thoughtful noise] Aaah...
Jamie: Yeah, and he'd offer a drink of Firewhisky...
Jamie: ...and a goat, yeah, for each person who gets the right answer.
Eric: [laughs] And a goat, yeah. You'll have to sacrifice a goat for your exam. Pretty funny.
Andrew: Well, you should have brought that up last week, though. Who was going to be the one who is the one that Jo was talking about? And this was in an interview with Emerson and Melissa. "Member of the Order we haven't seen at all, who will be playing a role in Book Seven." So, I guess...
Laura: Yeah, but if we haven't seen them at all, it's not going to be Aberforth, because we have seen him.
Andrew: Not much, though.
Laura: Well, she said...
Andrew: Not very prominently.
Laura: She said, "You haven't seen him," didn't she?
Andrew: "We haven't seen at all." Well, this could be paraphrased, you know. [whispers] Just go with it, Laura.
Jamie: [laughs] Yeah.
Andrew: [laughs] I'm just kidding.
Jamie: We just agree with you, yeah.
Andrew: So now, nothing on that? Alright. You're doing a disservice to Reading, because now this reporter is just going to say the co-host of Reading was really lame.
Eric: Listen, I'm sorry, I grabbed all the other things about Aberforth, but we went through them so fast.
The Night Of The Prophecy
Eric: There's just this thing where he finds Trelawney helping...
Andrew: [laughs] She's writing it down, it's true.
Eric: No, he finds Trelawney in the room. When is this? "Sectumsempra," "The Seer Overheard". Here it is. Okay. So he finds this is pg. 506 in the UK edition.
Jamie: [in excitement] Ooh, ooh, ooh. Ooh, ooh. Wait. Wait, wait. Oh no, I can't find my book.
Eric: Aw. Book Six...
Eric: Page 507 or so.
Jamie: No, I realize that, but...
Eric: No, I didn't.
Jamie: Okay, one sec.
Eric: "'I think you better tell Professor Dumbledore,' says Harry."
Jamie: [clucks his tongue] God.
Eric: This is when he finds Trelawney. "'He ought to know Malfoy's celebrating I mean, that someone threw you out of the Room.'"
Eric: "To his surprise, Professor Trelawney drew herself up at this suggestion, looking horny haughty." Sorry...
Jamie: Looking what, sorry? [laughs]
Eric: "'The Headmaster has intimated that he would prefer fewer visits from me. I am not one to press my company upon those who do not value it.'" Eh, yeah. So wait, hang on. She... So, Harry suggests she go see Dumbledore, and she says, while they're walking to his office, "I miss having you in my classes. You were never much of a Seer, but you were a wonderful Object." [laughs]
Eric: Which is funny.
Jamie: That's the best chat up line I've ever heard. I'm going to start using that.
Jamie: You aren't a very good Seer, but...
Eric: Come on. Okay...
Eric: She says, "'I well remember my first interview with Dumbledore,' went on Professor Trelawney, in throaty tones. 'He was deeply impressed, of course, deeply impressed. I was staying at the Hog's Head, which I do not advise, incidentally bedbugs, dear boy.'"
[laughs] This is an unkempt place. I mean ... Ahhh.
"'But funds were low. Dumbledore did me the courtesy of calling me in my room at the inn. He questioned me. I must confess that, at first, although he seemed ill-disposed toward Divination. And I remember that I was starting to feel a little odd, I had not eaten much that day. But then...'"
"And now Harry was paying attention properly for the first time, for he knew what had happened then: Professor Trelawney had made the prophecy that had altered the course of his whole life, the prophecy about him and Voldemort."
"'But then we were rudely interrupted by Severus Snape!'"
Harry just blacks out. He's like, "What?"
Jamie: He's like, [puts on an American accent] "Zoh my God, man!"
Eric: And then Trelawney says, "Yes."
[imitates American version of Harry] "Zoh my God, what?! Snape?!" All right. [laughs]
"'Yes, there was a commotion outside the door and it flew open, and there was that rather uncouth barman standing with Snape, who was waffling about having come the wrong way up the stairs, although I'm afraid that I myself rather thought he had been apprehended eavesdropping on my interview with Dumbledore you see, he himself was seeking a job at the time, and no doubt hoped to pick up tips! Well, after that, you know, Dumbledore seemed much more disposed to give me a job, and I could not help thinking, Harry, that it was because he appreciated the stark contrast between my own unassuming manners and quiet talent, compared to the pushing, thrusting young man who was prepared to listen at the keyholes.'"
And Harry just completely took off to yell at Dumbledore for hiring Snape and stuff. But, so Snape the thing is, why this is important... Because Snape wanted a job before he... He wanted to work at Hogwarts before he sent Voldemort after Lily and James. Do you guys think that was to be a spy for Voldemort, maybe? Was that could that have been an initial plan even before...
Eric: ...he applied. Or was it something...? It could've.
Jamie: I think so.
Eric: But, so the barman stopped, actually stopped, Snape from in fact, in a way, Aberforth saved Harry's life? You could draw that conclusion, considering if Snape would have heard the full prophecy, Voldemort might not have made all those mistakes.
Laura: Yeah, that's true.
Andrew: Yes. We do we have a voicemail about that, actually.
Andrew: Later in the show. Well, Snape hearing the full prophecy.
Eric: So, yeah, it is Aberforth who stopped Snape from eavesdropping. Which is interesting, but...yeah. So, that's cool. So, that places him. He's at the scene of the crime, so I just want to learn more from him. I think he has a good I mean, he's Dumbledore's brother. How not intelligent, how not able to give information and help, is he?
Jamie: Well, perhaps Dumbledore was just the lucky one, and he turned out, you know, thick.
Andrew: That's what I was saying. He's like the Ugly Ducking.
Jamie: Yeah. [laughs] The black sheep of the family.
Laura: Yeah, but doesn't the Ugly Ducking turn into a beautiful swan?
Eric: [gasps] Oooh.
Jamie: No, Laura.
Eric: [sings] Laura, you're my best friend.
Andrew: Well, okay.
Jamie: Laura, Laura.
Andrew: Then maybe that can be his role in the seventh book.
Jamie: Maybe in your fantasy...
Jamie: ...fueled stories, you know?
Jamie: In real life, Laura, that stuff just doesn't happen, okay? Life is a cruel, hard time.
Jamie: The world is a cold place and it's not worth fighting for.
Laura: Okay, Ben. All right, Ben. Thank you, Ben.
Jamie: And to cap things off, call me Ben.
[Jamie and Andrew laugh]
Andrew: That concludes our main discussion this week. And don't forget: if you if anyone has a topic idea for us to discuss, feel free to e-mail it: mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com.
MuggleCast Dating Service
We have a new segment, now, that I'm really looking forward to. This is the MuggleCast Dating Service. You might remember last week, that I put people up to this.
Jamie: Oh yeah. Oh, can I read this one?
Andrew: Can I read the first one?
Andrew: I'm really excited about this.
Jamie: No, Andrew, you can't.
Andrew: Oh, fine.
Andrew: Okay, because...
Jamie: No, no. No, of course you can... No, go on.
Laura: You can't both go out with Michael White from Amherst, Massachusetts. I'm sorry.
Jamie: Ooh, but he's so tall! And he likes long walks on the beach.
Andrew: And you're saying...
Jamie: Yeah, exactly. No, go on Andrew.
Andrew: Well, we asked people last week to send in their applications, and we got two of them. So ladies, listen up. This first one comes from Michael, 16, of Amherst, Massachusetts. [laughs] Got the camera right in front of me, sorry. Michael...
Jamie: Is that what you call it?
Andrew: [laughs] He's age 16, he's six foot three, and he enjoys long walks on the beach, dogs, paintball, volleyball, and Harry Potter. So, anyone in the...
Jamie: Yeah, man!
Andrew: ...Amherst, Massachusetts area would like to get in touch with Michael, please email andrew at staff dot mugglenet dot com and I'll get in touch with you. Favorite music: Saves the Day, Weezer, Goldfinger, MuggleCast, and Jamie Lawrence. [laughs]
Andrew: Favorite movies: Fight Club, 10 Things I Hate About You. Favorite MuggleCaster is me of course. What kind of question is that? And he's looking for a fun girl, preferably in Western Mass and a MuggleCast listener. So...
Eric: Interesting combination of Fight Club and 10 Things I Hate About You
Jamie: Yeah. I was going to say that. He likes sort of violent chick flicks.
Jamie: And our second one in the MuggleCast Dating Service is Alan, 17ish - sounds a bit honest, 17ish.
[Jamie, Andrew and Eric laugh]
Andrew: By 17, I mean 42.
Jamie: Yeah, give or take 40 years. Yeah, Subject: MuggleNet Dating. "I would love MuggleNet dating. If you guys could find me a girl that as obsessed with..."
Eric: Obsessed with what? That's important.
Jamie: "I'd definitely invite you guys to the wedding and vote for you a billion times on Podcast Alley. [laughs]. Currently, I only vote a million or so times."
Eric: Of course.
Jamie: Well, we could use a billion. Definitely. But, yes, of course Alan we will find you a nice girl. If you can send in exactly what you're looking for and well get right on it. Okay?
Andrew: "Is as obsessed as I am" must be about Harry Potter or MuggleCast.
Andrew: Not the greatest speller though, so if you're looking for someone who is excelling in English, I would not look for this one, ladies. [laughs]
Jamie: Yeah. [laughs]
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