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Connection to the Founders

Eric: Well, Voldemort, having Slytherin's blood in him.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Again the pureblood thing is supposed to, you know, inbreeding, on the whole, is supposed to affect genetics and things like that, make people...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: ...more maniacal and evil and stuff like that, but, the power, at least, or the richness, I mean, if we're to think Dumbledore is any kind of descendent of Gryffindor or something else, that could have a play in it, too. So, maybe blood does matter in, like, the slightest of ways...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: ...where you may be a little bit more susceptible to things, but were the Four Founders all pureblood, though? I mean, do we know that?

Jamie: No.

Eric: But it's kind of implied by the whole Slytherin connection that, at least, well, Slytherin must have been pureblood.

Jamie: Well, yeah, yeah.

Eric: But where does that... I don't know where that starts.

Magical Knowledge vs. Power

Jamie: But then in relation to other witches and wizards, do you think that they are?

Eric: They are what?

Jamie: Miles ahead? Miles ahead of them? They could beat anyone.

Andrew: The Heads of Houses are miles ahead?

Jamie: No, no, no, no, no. Voldemort and Dumbledore.

Andrew: Oh.

Jamie: Do you think that, I mean, it's like Chess Masters, you know; they can beat every single chess player in a club. Or then Chess Grandmasters can beat every single Chess Master and stuff like that, you know? I just think that they're absolutely ahead of everyone and in duels they, you know? It just seems like

Andrew: I don't know about light years. What do you mean, exactly? Just ahead in knowledge or skill? Because isn't the knowledge...

Jamie: For Both. Everything.

Andrew: ...that they have in common?

Jamie: No, but I mean, okay. If Dumbledore and Voldemort had a... If there was a competition where every single person dueled and it was like a knockout thing so, if you lost, you went home. I think Voldemort and Dumbledore would be facing each other in the final battle.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Jamie: However many people came into it. It's just like beating absolutely everyone.

Andrew: I definitely agree, skill-wise, but I don't know about knowledge because, it seems like it would be like Horcruxes, for example.

Eric: They're not common knowledge.

Jamie: No but, Voldemort didn't want that memory to learn about Horcruxes. He wanted it to learn about what Slughorn told Voldemort about Horcruxes. There's a difference. It isn't though he didn't know about Horcruxes. And in the first chapter of Book Six when Fudge says that, sorry, the Muggle Prime Minister asks, "Is he back?" and Fudge says, "I don't know, and Dumbledore won't explain it properly."

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: It's like Dumbledore is the only person who...

Eric: Understands it.

Jamie: ...understands it. You know? And it just seems like, in terms of power...

Eric: There was...

Jamie: terms of knowledge, that he's ahead of everyone.

Eric: There was something else he said, too. I think he was explaining to Harry - it's at the end of Book Five after Sirius' death, in his office. He explains to Harry, he says that the enchantment placed on Privet Drive is of an ancient magic that, obviously, Voldemort underestimates, or hates and, therefore, underestimates, but he also says that, "I think that I found a connection or a way to protect you that..."

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: "...maybe no other wizard has."

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: He said something along the lines of where, "I'm the only one who really knows how to do this particular kind of thing, so I did..."

Jamie: Yes. Yeah.

Eric: "...because I invest faith in my own intelligence."

Jamie: Also, I assume we should assume that the two Fidelius Charms. Sorry, not the two. The Fidelius Charm that was used with the Secret Keeper was performed by Dumbledore? Because Flitwick says in Prisoner of Azkaban, that it's an immensely complex spell.

Andrew: Ohhh.

Jamie: And I think when he says it's an immensely complex spell, it's sort of, it really is immensely complex. It's not just like, brewing a Draught of Living Death, which is damn hard, but not, you know, impossible.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: It really is only some of the most difficult things in the world. I bet Dumbledore conjured that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: One question is, what it entails? Obviously, it’s a little more than a "swish and flick." It's even more than a Patronus...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: ...thinking of a happy thought.

Jamie: Oh ten... A mill... Yeah, but this is the thing; I think it's like a million times more than a Patronus or Fidelius...

Eric: But what other ways are there? What could you possibly... Do you need to empty your mind, or do you need to be in a state of meditation when you create things like that?

Jamie: Ask Dumbledore.

Eric: Ask Dumbledore? I can't. Unfortunately...

Jamie: Oh wait, he's dead.

Andrew: He's dead. [laughs]

Jamie: I think we've pretty much agreed that Dumbledore and Voldemort are ridiculously, ridiculously powerful or, sorry, to correct myself there, Voldemort is ridiculously, ridiculously powerful; Dumbledore was ridiculously, ridiculously powerful.

[Eric mumbles something]

Jamie: And that they... Sorry, yeah, yeah. And that they could beat any person in a duel, and that people look up to them and respect them and admire them...

Eric: That would be good.

Jamie: ...even Voldemort.

Eric: I mean... Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt you.

Jamie: Go on. I thought we were wrapping this up

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, well. I... But a final thought, if I may. The... One of the things I think about Dumbledore, too, is potentially the reason he might know as much is because, well, a) he seeks it, but things like, I just thought of the scene by the lake with the Merpeople, when Dumbledore was speaking Mermish. You know, I'm not saying there aren't institutions that may teach you Mermish, but Dumbledore's the kind of person like that who would care and who would seek to...

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: ...communicate with the residents of obviously the lake where his school is.

Jamie: So it's diplomacy, as well as...

Eric: I think good diplomacy is...

Jamie: ...magical ability. Eric, I am going to put you on the spot here and ask you a question. Quite a difficult one. What is the name of the leader of the Mermaids, sorry, the Merpeople in the lake.

Eric: I do not know. Wait, wait, wait...

Jamie: Andrew do you know?

Andrew: Nooo.

Eric: Wait, wait, wait.

Jamie: No, Googling it, Eric.

Eric: No, I'm not Googling it...

Jamie: You naughty, naughty, naughty boy.

Eric: You would hear my naughty, naughty, naughty fingers typing the naughty, naughty, naughty keys.

Jamie: Okay.

Eric: Ummm...

Jamie: Good then, that's fine.

Eric: I... I... I...

Jamie: Shall I tell you?

Eric: I know it's got some kind of a – what's that called?

Jamie: Word in it? Yeah, it's pretty good.

Eric: The "ch," "gh," type sounds. What are they? "Ch," "ck".

Jamie: [sounds out different combinations of letters] "Gchs"? "Chs"? "Ghs"?

Eric: It – not "chs", but also "sh," the actual groupings of...

Jamie: I'll tell you. Shall I tell you?

Eric: Alright...

Jamie: It's Merf... Sorry, Merchieftainess Murcus.

Eric: Is that actually in the book?

Jamie: It is.

Eric: What page?

Jamie: I don't know!

[Eric and Jamie laugh]

Eric: Oooh, PWNed! All right.

Crackpot Theory of the Week: Voldemort’s Wand is a Horcrux

Andrew: It's time for another installment of the Crackpot Theory of the Week. We've gotten lots of...

[Jamie hums a tune]

Andrew: Oooh, I like that music.

Eric: I like that, too.

Andrew: Someone make a remix out of that. [laughs]

Jamie: It's kind of Layla. It's kind of... Not... Yeah, yeah.

Eric: [hums Layla]

Jamie: Layla by Clapton. [hums Layla]

Andrew: Mmmm. Yeah.

Jamie: It's not actually, at all. I've just decided it. Sorry.

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] I just pretended like I knew it, so...

Eric: [singing to the tune of Layla]

Crackpot, you've got me on my knees. Crackpot...

Jamie: It's "Ley." It's "l-e-y." There's not "la" on this one, though.

Andrew: Okay, I guess that's it. [laughs] Go ahead. Go for it Jamie.

Jamie: Okay, this is from Scott, 16, from Australia. And, Eric, this is your Crackpot Theory of the Week. [speaks very fast] The final Horcrux is Voldemort's wand. Go.

[Long pause]

Eric: Okay...

Andrew: [laughs] Go!

Jamie: [laughs] Go!

Eric: Where is Voldemort's wand? Where has it been? How did he get it back? There is only one explanation for this, and this is it: Voldemort's wand is actually a Horcrux. He preserved himself inside it, and it has the ability to skitter across the floors and through the pages of all seven books or rather the first four or five books, and that is how Voldemort retrieved it. Nobody was able to find it because, well, the Voldemort inside of it just moved the wand slightly away from everybody, so that once he was destroyed it was not buried amongst the rubble, and throughout time it was just seen in the corners of the HP universe, just browsing and viewing what was going on. So that, by the time that Voldemort regained control of his wand, it would then be able to supply him with the knowledge and experience of... [long pause] I don't know maybe it's hanging out with Trevor in the Chamber of Secrets, I really don't know.

[Another long pause]

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: Not bad Eric, not bad at all.

Andrew: Yeah, that wasn't bad.

Eric: [makes uncertain noise] Ahhhh...

Jamie: It's getting better.

Eric: I'm still tweaking, tweaking some things. Could we possibly do another one? I know it's a little bit much to ask, but...

Jamie: Yes, yes go on.

Eric: I love these so much. There's so many people, I got ten or twenty of them.

Andrew: There's just so many people. It's not my fault it sucks.

Eric: [laughs] What?

Andrew: Ahhh. What do you think of that one?

Jamie: Errr, I immediately think of a point that is of... One sec, I'll type it to you.

Andrew: Let me read the points that Scott brought up. Voldemort who values his magical prowess above all else would consider his wand almost part of him, a sensible place to keep a part of his soul, as he will always have it with him. Another point, his wand managed to survive the explosion that wrecked Godric's Hollow. Normal wood would have been burned to cinders. This could mean his wand is protected. And the final point...

Jamie: Oooh yeah.

Andrew: Wizards are very attached to their wands. Cedric polished his [mispronounces] regularly, [enunciates] regularly.

Eric: [laughs] I bet he did.

Andrew: Harry says he is fond of his wand, and that it can't help being related to Voldemort via its core. His wand connects him to the magical world: the locket, the diary and the ring connect him to Slytherin, etcetera.

Eric: Hmmm. I had not thought about the wand connecting him to the wizarding world. I think that's cool.

Jamie: Eric, are you ready for your next one?

Eric: Yes.

Crackpot Theory of the Week: Scrimgeour - Descendant of Gryffindor

Jamie: Okay this one is from Alex, 15, from Indiana. And, Eric, this is your Crackpot Theory of the Week.

Andrew: Dun dun dun...

Jamie: Rufus...

Andrew: Oops. I'm, I'm sorry! It's ruined. It's ruined!

[Eric hums the tune of Layla]

Jamie: It's ruined! No, its fine, it's fine. We'll do it again.

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: And...

Eric: [sings to the tune of "Layla"] Got me on my knees, crackpot...

Jamie: Eric, Eric. This is your Crackpot Theory of the Week.

Andrew: [sings] Dodolo dodolo dodolo dodolo doom.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: Rufus Scrimgeour, the new Minister of Magic, is a descendant of Godric Gryffindor and will play a key role in Book Seven.

Eric: Ah, the lion.

[Andrew begins to hum softly in the background]

Eric: He's described as being as...

Andrew: We need Millionaire music for this.

Jamie: Don't, don't...

Eric: You know, Regis is...

Jamie: You're just giving him time to think.

Eric: You know Regis is no longer... Regis is no longer doing that show.

Andrew: Stalling, minus five.

Eric: I am not stalling. Okay! His lion face. Isn't he described as having a face like a lion? I mean, come on.

Jamie: By who, by who, by who? Who said that?

Eric: Oh!

Jamie: Come on, Eric.

Eric: Oooh! Aaah! It's...

Jamie: First chapter of Half-Blood Prince, come on.

Eric: Half-Blood Prince. Well it was...

Jamie: Come on boy! Come on.

[Eric begins to make pained noises]

Jamie: You're useless. You're useless, you're a disgrace.

Eric: I don't know. [Starts to scream] I can't take it!

Jamie: You've failed! You've failed at life. Kill yourself!

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Harry?

Jamie: Is Harry in the first chapter of Half-Blood Prince, Eric?

Eric: Oh, oh, oh! Yes!

Jamie: You call yourself a fan? You call yourself a fan?

Andrew: That's despicable.

Eric: Oh, it's the other minister.

Jamie: Yes. Who is it?

Eric: Oh, well it's...

Jamie: Tony Blair?

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It's not Tony Blair, because...

Andrew: He's quitting. Who cares?

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: According to the Lexicon... He's quitting?

Jamie: He is.

Andrew: Well...

Jamie: Well, he will be soon. Stop stalling, Eric.

Eric: Okay, so the face like a lion. The other minister thinks he has a face like a lion, come on! He's a descendant of Godric Gryffindor that's all there is to it! In fact, he might be Godric Gryffindor. In fact, I might even...

Jamie: Repetition! Minus fifteen!

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: No. In fact is not repetition. In fact, he might even be Aslan from the Narnia series. You never know. Anything is possible. But a guy with a lion of a face...

Jamie: Non-relevance! Minus twenty!

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: I don't think it's a question. He has got a lion for a face, and he goes around, and he governs people and he governs the magical world. And realizes what an asset Harry is.

Jamie: That was good.

Eric: Okay. Were there any other points that he brought up? She brought up? He, she. He, it.

Jamie: [yawns] No, she didn't bring any up.

Andrew: All right well, if you've got a Crackpot Theory Of The Week for Eric that you want him to answer on the show, send it in to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. It has to be... He has to be able to prove it in some way, shape, or form. Send in your points so we can read them on the show once he's done. You know the drill, you know how it rolls. So, that's that.

Eric: Oh my gosh. Can both of those actually go in? I thought that was really...

Andrew: Yes, Eric.

Eric: I... I... I...

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Thank you. I really liked that.

Eric: Ummm...

Andrew: Ummm...

[Eric laughs]

Eric's Vacation

Andrew: We're now going to head into an Editorial Segment hosted by Laura and Micah. Eric, this is – and then Eric, you're getting out of here and you'll be gone for three weeks? Four weeks?

Eric: Well, I can be on the show if it's absolutely necessary, if you're short of people, if you only have you and Ben one night, I can do it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It'll be like 11:00 AM on a Thursday, which we'll be doing nothing except sleeping. So I can be, but it's... I don't need to be. [laughs] I don't need to be on. But, yeah, I'll be gone. Well, two weeks actually, the 24th. And then obviously the 24th I'm meeting up with you guys. So, we'll be together for - with the LIVE podcast and everything else. Hope the rest of the episode goes well tonight.

Jamie: All right, Eric.

Andrew: Have fun in New Zealand.

Eric: Thank you.

Jamie: Yep.

Eric: And, uh, bye-bye!

Andrew: And we'll take it right now to an Editorial segment by Laura and Micah. Take it away, girls. And Micah. No, just girls.

[Jamie and Andrew laugh]

Jamie: Just girl and Micah.

Editorial Segment: Brandon Ford, The Underground Lake

Laura: Hey everyone, the Editorial Segment is back. Yay! [claps] Say "yay," everyone. Come on. Yay.

Micah: Yay.

Brandon: Yay.

Laura: I love the enthusiasm. Okay.

[Brandon and Micah laugh]

Laura: And to celebrate, joining us – joining Micah Tan The Anchor Man (as I like to call him) and I this week is Brandon Ford, author of The Underground Lake. Welcome back, Brandon.

Brandon: Hello. Thank you for having me back.

Laura: Oh, it's no problem. We had a great time with you the first time, and you were actually the first editorialist we had on this segment, right?

Brandon: Yes, I feel very honored.

Laura: Yes. The Underground Lake has been on hiatus for a while now, but it's back, great as ever. So Brandon, why don't you give us a little bit of a synopsis on your latest piece?

Brandon: My last editorial was called "Where in the World is Wormtail?" Basically, after reading Book Six I was very frustrated, because I had predicted after reading Book Five that Wormtail was up to something which is why he was gone the whole book. And in Book Six, he still really didn't do anything; he was just sort of living with Snape in what I call the "new millennium odd couple," which was very strange to me. And he didn't really do anything but serve wine and eavesdrop on people. So, I was trying to still think what could he possibly still be up to, so that was sort of my little introduction back into the world of editorial writing regularly, once again.

Laura: So, now, according to your editorial, who is it that Voldemort doesn't trust? Snape, Wormtail, or both?

Brandon: Both, but I think right now he is kind of playing both sides against the middle; that essentially their living with each other because one is supposed to be spying on the other one. But I think ultimately the real choice of Voldemort is that Wormtail is living there to spy on Snape, to make sure he really is playing for the right team.

Micah: Yeah, I thought this was interesting because this came up on an episode of MuggleCast. We were talking about this, and most people would assume that Snape is keeping an eye on Wormtail, because that's in fact what he says in the book, but I think when you think about it, it makes a lot more sense for Wormtail to be spying on Snape.

Brandon: Yeah. I definitely agreed with that. Which is why – it came out of trying to figure out what in the world Wormtail was doing living with Snape. And to me, that just makes the most sense.

Laura: So, we know that Wormtail is obviously a drifter, kind of seeking the stronger side of the war. Do you think Snape is like this too, or do you think that he actually has an alliance? Do you think he's actually playing the role of spy, or do you think he's playing both sides to his own advantage?

Brandon: For the longest time I thought he was what I called a triple agent, which is he was just out for himself, he wasn't really playing both sides. I don't really want to answer that question because my next editorial is actually the answer to that question.

Laura: Ahhh.

Brandon: [laughs] So, I am just going to leave you with that. But, I do think he does have something rather secretive up his sleeve.

Micah: But I guess, going off of that, your editorial – you sort of started out taking a look at where Wormtail was, but then you didn't really answer it. Is that going to come up in the next editorial too?

Brandon: No. When I titled it "Where in the World is Wormtail?" at first it was – I mean, obviously geographically we know where he is; he's living in Snape's old house. But, I think more what I meant was, "What has he been up to since Book Four?", really. I guess one of the reasons that I didn't really go as much into what I thought he was doing, is because a lot of the wind was knocked out of my sails after reading Book Six because, essentially, JK Rowling answered the question; that he's been living with Snape. And I wasn't really satisfied with that, so I really wanted to go more into what – the fact that it has more to do with Snape and less to do with Wormtail, right now. However, I do still hope that there is something going on with him, that there is some secret plan that only he and Voldemort know about. But I'm not going to hold my breath for that one.

Micah: Now, do you think Wormtail is planning to help Harry in any way? Will he help him at all? And if he does...

Brandon: Yeah, I had been thinking about that because, of course, what Dumbledore said about how Wormtail now owes Harry, because Harry didn't let Lupin and Sirius kill him. And, I thought, like a lot of people did, that it would come down to the end and that he would sacrifice himself for Harry. But then, for a while I started to think about, you know, the obvious Lord of the Rings parodies, where Gandalf says Gollum is going to rule the fates of many and all that stuff, but then in the end it's not a good way that he rules the fates of many. It's actually quite a horrible way that he rules the fates of many. So, I started to think maybe it's possible that Wormtail, in his greed, or in his evil, would do something, and that would lead to a chain of events where it would end up helping Harry, even though he isn't purposely helping Harry, per se. But in the end I feel like, knowing JK Rowling, he'll probably do something in the end that will help Harry.

Laura: Earlier you were talking a little bit about how Book Six took some of the wind out of your sails. Did Jo's reading in New York City interfere with any of your theories?

Brandon: Actually, no. When I was asked to come back, I went on MuggleNet and looked at the transcripts and the reports of what she said in New York City, and really she didn't. In fact, she kind of gave a little more fire to a theory that I had before, that I thought she'd debunked, that now I kind of have again which is about Petunia and how, in Book Seven, whatever her big secret is, is going to be revealed. I had – and I think we discussed this the last time I was on – that I had the theory that she was a closet broomstick.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Brandon: And that she might have magical powers, or something, and JK Rowling in one of her interviews since then said that she's not a Squib, and she doesn't have powers and things. But then, in the New York chat, she mentions that there is some huge secret that she has that's going to be revealed, and I think one point that I did mention in that article about how she maybe kept the original letter that Dumbledore gave her, or that she has something of Harry's parents' or in the end, ultimately, she really does have a soul and she's just not some evil word that I probably shouldn't say. And, yeah, I'm just... I think that it really is going to come down to her being revealed as not such a horrible person after all, hopefully.

Micah: So, you were very satisfied when she clearly stated that Dumbledore was dead.

Brandon: Yes, extremely.

[Laura laughs]

Brandon: That was sweet vindication. That was sweet vindication.

Laura: I know exactly how you feel. [laughs]

Brandon: I have gotten so many emails from people, saying "Dumbledore's not dead, just like Sirius isn't dead."

[Laura groans]

Brandon: I've even gotten a few, "Cedric isn't really dead," which is really stupid.

[Laura laughs]

Brandon: But, you know, I'm just glad that she said, categorically, "Dumbledore is dead. Deal with it, people." And it does make me a little happy inside.

Micah: Now, what about the whole possibility of redemption? Because that was something else somebody asked. Possibly for Draco, possibly for Snape.

Brandon: As far as redemption for those two characters, once again, actually, the redemption of Snape goes into my next editorial, and the possible redemption for Draco goes into the one that I'm writing after that.

Micah: Okay.

Brandon: But I can say that my feeling about, as far as Snape being redeemed is – my problem is, at the end of the day, regardless of what team he's playing for, he is the one who murdered Dumbledore. And there's sort of no turning back from that. He can't exactly walk up to the Order and say, "Oh, it was all arranged, it was all a plan," because if he goes to the Order they're just going to kill him. So, I don't know. Whatever he does, he can only be redeemed really in the eyes of Harry. In the eyes of the world, he will always be the man who killed Dumbledore and no amount of explaining and no amount of intrigue is going to change that fact. So, his redemption is going to be on a different level than, "Oh, he's really good after all. Let's all hug and shake hands and call it a day."

As for Draco, Harry has, more or less, not necessarily forgiven Draco, but acknowledged the fact that he doesn't think that Draco ever would have killed Dumbledore, so he actually pities him. And I'm on that train too. Whether Draco can come back to the side of good, I don't know. He might be motivated for the love of his parents, and trying to protect them, to ultimately make the right decision. But, something else that I've always said is that Draco may not have killed Dumbledore, he may not have pulled the trigger, but he bought the gun, loaded it and cocked it, so there is a level of guilt in there as well. The short answer is: I don't know.

Micah: Right. And I think when that question was asked, she tended to favor Draco a little bit more when she was talking about redemption. At least, that's the impression I got from her answer.

Laura: Yeah, that's what I thought. Absolutely.

Brandon: Yeah. I do think that if any of the two of them was going to be redeemed, my money's on Draco over Snape.

Laura: Mhm.

Brandon: But time will tell.

Micah: Now, the preview for your next article is called "What If We're Wrong?" And my question is, what if we're wrong about what?

Brandon: What if we're wrong about Snape actually being a good guy?

Laura: Oh, no. [laughs]

Brandon: I'm going to sort of give you what I pretty much put in the introduction to it. As soon as I read the book the first time, I was immediately on the, "Oh, I trust him even more now that he killed Dumbledore, because he did it because he had to," and all this stuff. But after – when I was doing research for "Where in the World is Wormtail?" I read "Spinner's End," and something really did not sit well with me when Snape was giving his answers to all of the questions that Bellatrix kept asking him. And it got me thinking: what if everybody's wrong? What if he really isn't good? What if everything he told Bellatrix was the truth? That he did all that stuff because he's on Voldemort's side. And it's just sort of... And the subtitle is "A Trip to the Bizarre World." It's just sort of, what if we look at everything that's happened in the books from the point of view that he was telling the truth, and he really is a bad guy. What does that ultimately mean for Harry, and what does that mean for us as readers who have believed him for the past six books, and it turns out he really was evil the whole time?

Micah: I think that JK Rowling has just trained us so well to second guess everything, so that when we saw Dumbledore actually...

Brandon: I know.

Laura: She really has.

Micah: ...murdered, you automatically thought, "Oh, there has to be something else to this," and I'm sure there is, but we may be looking a little bit too far into it. So, it'll be interesting to read that.

Laura: Yeah.

Brandon: Mhm.

Laura: Some of us thought he was alive, didn't we, Micah?

Brandon: [laughs] Yes.

Micah: Yeah, I don't know who.

[Laura and Brandon laugh]

Micah: Some site, actually.

Laura: [still laughing] Well, that all sounds insanely interesting, and I think that everybody's pretty much really looking forward to reading that one, but we're running out of time, so we need to get into our lightning round, which...

Brandon: All right.

Laura: ...I don't think you got to do that, because we premiered that after your debut on this segment.

Brandon: Yeah.

Laura: So, first question, did Snape love Lily?

Brandon: I believe so, yes.

Micah: Okay, I'll take the next one.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: At Radio City Music Hall, did Jo slip up and reveal that the trio will survive the war, or are people reading too much into it?

Brandon: Well, I believe that Ron and Hermione will be surviving. I've always been in the "I think Harry's going to die" group, but I don't think she slipped up and revealed that. I did she did slip up and reveal that Ron and Hermione were probably going to survive, because I think they are.

Laura: Who else was at Godric's Hollow the night the Potters were killed?

Brandon: I always maintain that I think Peter Pettigrew was there with Voldemort in the house, so I'm probably going to stick with that.

Micah: That's your whole "Last Day Theory," isn't it?

Brandon: Yes, it is. No, Fudge was not there.

[Micah laughs]

Brandon: I can see that that actually did not happen, now that I've read Book Six...

[Laura laughs]

Brandon: ...but, yeah, I think he was there.

Micah: And in that Richard and Judy interview, she said that she spared one recently when she was writing Book Seven. Who do you think that was?

Brandon: [laughs] Once again, you're getting into an editorial that I've just started writing, too. Who do I think is spared, is Lupin.

Laura: Really? Why is that?

Brandon: Well, I always had down that I thought all of the Marauders had to die, just because I think that that piece of Harry Potter history had to be closed. Because I believe Wormtail is going to die, and I believe that Lupin has to die so that all four of them can and that, basically, the whole set has to die. But now, after Book Six and Lupin's hopeful relationship with Tonks, and other things, I kind of think he might – I think he might be the one who's spared.

Laura: And who do you think are the two people that are going to die in the place of the character who got the reprieve?

Brandon: I've been thinking about that one a lot lately, and I'm not entirely sure about one. I think, unfortunately, Hagrid probably has to go.

Laura: [in distress] Oooh.

[Micah laughs]

Brandon: I don't want him to go, but I think he's got to go. Just because that would be really sad, and that would kill everybody. But I don't know about the other one. I've been really trying to think about who the other person could be.

Micah: See, when I heard...

Brandon: I'm hoping it's not Neville, but it could be.

Micah: When I heard two, I immediately thought Fred and George.

Brandon: I don't think so.

Laura: [gasps] Micah! No! Don't say that!

Brandon: I think – I'm going to say all the Weasleys are safe. I really feel like all the Weasleys are safe.

Laura: Really?

Brandon: Yeah.

Laura: That's interesting.

Brandon: I...

Laura: A lot of people think that Percy's going to buy the farm.

Brandon: I don't think Percy will... [laughs] Honestly, I don't think Percy is important enough to die. I don't really think anybody would care if Percy died, personally.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Brandon: But... Plus, I think Percy still has to mend his fences with his family and, you know, I'm an optimist. I think all the Weasleys will remain unscathed, maybe a little grievously injured, but I think they'll all live.

Laura: An optimist who thinks Harry is going to die.

[Everyone laughs]

Brandon: I think he's got to. I think he has to.

Laura: All right, well, we're running a little short on time here, so Brandon, thank you for joining us again. It is...

Brandon: No problem. Anytime.

Laura: ...always a pleasure to have you.

Brandon: Thank you.

Laura: Now, listeners, don't forget. If you or someone you know has an excellent editorial on MuggleNet, be sure to let us know. And for one final note, we're working on expanding this segment by featuring other areas of the site and the lovely people who run them, so we will of course, be looking for listener feedback on that, because we love you guys so much, so please write in when you hear anything on that. And once again, Brandon Ford, "The Underground Lake." Read it, or else.

[Brandon and Micah laugh]

Brandon: Thank you. Please do.

Laura: [laughs] All right. Bye, everyone.

Micah: Thanks.

Brandon: Bye. Thank you.

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