Micah: If it's not made out of the same material, right, as the Invisibility Cloak - we really didn't touch on, then, who made it.
Ben: Actually, George Washington's wife knitted it.
Ben: Martha knitted it.
Micah: [laughs] That's genius.
Ben: No, I don't know if it's really necessary to find out who made the cloth that covered the Veil.
Laura: Well, what if it's...
Ben: It's probably a linen, a cotton substance, probably.
Andrew: It's a - what?!
[Laura and Micah laugh]
Laura: [laughs] What if it's something along the lines of Stonehenge? It's one of those really weird things...
Laura: ...that someone built, but we have no clue because it's so old.
Andrew: Because again, it looked like - in this artist's rendering - it was part of the earth. And in the book, I'm pretty sure that Dumbledore does say - Harry asks him, or someone asks someone, and Dumbledore says that the Veil was there for as long as the Ministry had been there, if not longer.
Laura: Wow, the Ministry must be pretty old, [laughs] when you think of it that way.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, I'm 99% sure that's in the book. But, also, this Veil area - the Death Room - is where you study. How do you study death? And do they still study death?
Laura: Well, what you do Andrew...
Ben: Actually, they push...
Andrew: Like do they just chuck stuff through it and it comes back out?
Ben: They threw puppies, they throw puppies through it.
Andrew: Throw puppies through it?
Ben: They throw puppies through the Veil.
Laura: I was going to say that they pick their least favorite person on a podcast and they throw them through.
Ben: Then, bye, Laura.
Laura: No, I was actually thinking of you, Ben.
Ben: Bye, Eric. Bye, Eric.
Ben: Just kidding.
Andrew: He's already through.
Andrew: No, because it makes me - it kind of annoys me. Why don't you just throw a fishing line in there, see what happens, reel it out...
Laura: [laughs] See if someone grabs on to it?
Andrew: Or just stick your hand through. Seriously. Why can't you just stick your hand through?
Laura: Okay, why don't you just...
Andrew: I'm serious. I'm being serious.
Laura: ...go stick your hand through something that kills people when they go through it, and let me know how it goes.
Andrew: No, I'm just saying, why don't you test it, why don't you - maybe they have.
Laura: I don't know. Wasn't there a theory...
Andrew: I'm being serious, though. [laughs] Not Sirius Black! [rings bell] Ooh-ho-ho-ho!
Laura: Wasn't there a theory discussed - I think we talked about this on a show way back at the beginning - that someone brought up, what if going through the Veil turns you into a Dementor?
Andrew: Oooh. Interesting, but he's dead. So...
Laura: I know he's dead.
Andrew: He's dead, he's dead.
Laura: But it's kind of along the lines of, what if the Veil is made out of - that was pre-Book Six that that theory came about. [laughs]
Andrew: But how do you study death?
Ben: I don't know, there's...
Andrew: How can they use the Veil to study death?
Ben: ...there's a big textbook about it.
Laura: Well, see, you know what? And this could just be me looking into it too much, but Jo said it wasn't used as a torture chamber.
Laura: And I'm kind of wondering, how do you study death without throwing people through this Veil?
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Laura: I've kind of always wondered, I'm like, what if they took Azkaban prisoners and just threw them through this veil just to test death, see what was going on with it? What if they took the ones who had had their souls sucked out by Dementors and just shoved them through?
Andrew: Why don't you just...
Laura: What then? But then, wouldn't that be, technically, considered torture?
Laura: I mean, I guess it depends on how you define torture.
Laura: So, then, the only other solution, if they're not throwing people through it, then someone has to go into it.
Andrew: Unless they're just using it to hear the voices that are coming from out of it.
Laura: Yeah, but only certain people can hear them.
Andrew: Right, and then it would just be those people who are able to hear the voices that would be studying death.
Laura: I don't know, it just, it seems like a waste for it to be there and not have any kind of interaction with it. You know, it just seems like...
Micah: Well, we don't know that.
Micah: We just haven't been told that.
Laura: Something's got to be going in there. Something has got to go through that Veil.
Andrew: Not really, because you can't observe what happens after someone goes through it, and if it's a one-way street, so to speak. That's why I'm thinking that they can only use it to hear voices.
Micah: Well, there's probably a way that they could communicate with whomever's on the other side of that...
Laura: Two-way mirror.
Micah: ...one would think.
Andrew: No, that's just the case with Sirius and James, I think.
Micah: No, because, I mean...
Laura: No, no, no. It was a joke, Andrew
Micah: ...if the Veil was there...
Micah: ...beforehand, before the Ministry even was there...
Andrew: And they built it around it, which, really, that is how it looked.
Micah: ...then, the chances are that there was already someone or something behind the Veil. So, perhaps they've been working on a way to communicate with those that are there.
Laura: Maybe. Did you guys also notice that the chamber it was in, it was described a lot like the courtroom Harry had been in at the beginning of the book? It had lots of seats...
Andrew: Is it - doesn't it sort of look like a coliseum?
Andrew: Like, seating. Yeah.
Laura: And, so, you're wondering, how many people do they have studying this?
Andrew: Hmmm, yeah. Yeah, but those weren't... Was that Ministry-built too? I wish I remembered that picture. I should've taken a picture of the picture.
Laura: What if it was, at one time, used for torture? Maybe they don't use it that way anymore.
Andrew: I don't know, how could you consider it torture? Once you throw them through, they're done, it's not like...
Laura: But it's still killing them. [laughs]
Ben: Right, but that's not torture. Why don't you use the Cruciatus Curse if you're going to torture them?
Laura: So, so you're saying, you're saying, Ben, that if we, if we kill somebody, but we don't cause them any pain, it's not torture?
Ben: Not at all.
Ben: Well, what... Tell me, tell me, what would you rather die...
Ben: How would you rather die?
Laura: Okay, it doesn't...
Ben: Have, have - go through a guillotine...
Laura: It doesn't matter.
Ben: ...have your head cut off, or would you rather be electrocuted, where you die a lot more slowly?
Laura: It, okay, it doesn't matter.
Ben: I think you'd rather have it be quick, than...
Laura: It doesn't matter what you prefer. It doesn't matter. The circumstance doesn't matter. The fact is you're still taking away a person's life.
Ben: Right, but that's not torture. You're not torturing them. Torture is...
Ben: ...like when you...
Laura: Yeah, it's torture leading up to it.
Andrew: A painful death.
Ben: How? How?
Laura: It's torture leading up to it, when you're like, "I'm about to die."
Ben: Oh, you mean when you're pushing the... Yeah, but that's not torture.
Ben: Torture is like extensive punishment, and...
Ben: ...you don't even have to kill them.
Andrew: [sighs] That's the... Yeah, we don't need to make...
Laura: I don't agree.
Andrew: ...a discussion out of that, but...
Laura: I don't agree.
Andrew: Final conclusions: I say, Veil is a portal to death, you can hear the voices, so they can study the voices, hear the death - hear dead people, I mean.
Laura: I don't think the Veil is the only path to the afterlife. I think it's a specific...
Andrew: Well, there's the other one, which is stabbing you in the throat.
[Laura and Micah laugh]
Laura: God, Andrew! You make me cry.
Andrew: Well, it's a portal to death, right? Not you personally. I'm just saying as a...
Laura: [still laughing] No, I think that it is a very specific path to a section of underlife. I just don't think that you go through there. It would be like, for instance, if you're talking about an afterlife, like we would imagine it. It's not like you have six doors, and you go through one of them, and you still get to the same place. I'm thinking of it as, you get into this place that is an afterlife, but you can't get out, and it's not where everyone else goes, if you go through the Veil.
Andrew: Do you have a final thought on the subject, Ben?
Ben: Ben Schoen's - I'm like Jerry Springer, it's Ben Schoen's final thought.
Ben: The Veil, it's a big mystery. That's all, that's all I know about it. I don't think it's the only - I don't think there's like a portal to the afterlife, there's something that's special about the Veil. It may... It could be a portal to the afterlife.
Ben: But I don't think, you know, people think, "Oh, when I die I go behind the Veil." I think, if it's a portal to anything, it's like a portal to Heaven or Hell or whatever. I mean, it's not like, "Oh, you die, you go behind the Veil where you whisper to people as they walk by." [laughs] It doesn't work like that.
Ben: That's my last thought.
Laura: Micah, what's your final thought?
Micah: I think it may just be, because there's actual whispering that's taking place, maybe it's just the collection of souls, in a way, that they're studying. Maybe those that are - just got caught. I don't know, it's really weird, but I like the whole idea that the Ministry was built around this thing, and that this thing has been there for quite some time. And building the Ministry around it is a way to protect it, and if it really is that important, and Jo sort of follows the whole line of this being some sort of heroic tale, which, you know, she never follows mainstream, but I think that we'll see, definitely, something interesting will be revealed about it in Book Seven. I'm not saying Harry is going to through the Veil, or whatever, but maybe he uses it for his own purposes.
Andrew: That was a good talk. That was a good - geez, that was over a half hour. That was a solid 45 minutes. [laughs]
Andrew: Laura and Micah, there's been something that's been bugging all of us, but you two, especially.
Laura: Well, as everyone knows, Laura Mallory, who is a Gwinnett County, Georgia, mother of four - she's actually, she's about 30 minutes away from me - has been campaigning to get the Potter books removed from the Gwinnett County school libraries. Well - oh, God, what day was it that that was?
Micah: It was two days ago? Was it two days ago?
Laura: I don't even remember. Two days ago? Okay, well, a couple of days ago, she took her hearing to the state, and she basically, she appealed to the State Supreme Court to get the books banned from the school libraries. What I found interesting this time, though, was she actually acknowledged some of the good themes in the books. Like friendship, loyalty, good versus evil, which was weird to me because this whole time, she's been saying the books are evil, and now she's saying that they kind of, you know, go for good versus evil, or good triumphing over evil.
Andrew: Mhm. Micah, do you have anything to add?
Micah: I just don't understand the whole point behind banning these books. I mean, there are themes in almost any classic book that you can sort of look at and say you know what, "There's a problem with this and I don't want my child to read it," and I think it should just be as simple as that. If she doesn't want her children to read these books, then don't let them read it. I mean, theyíre going to come to a certain age where theyíre going to start doing whatever it is that they feel is necessary, and if they want to pick up and read a Harry Potter novel, thatís their choice, but sheís the supervisor now. Sheís the guardian of them until theyíre 18 years old. If she feels that itís not the place of the child to read the book, thatís fine, but I donít think she should be imposing her will on other people.
Laura: Mhm. You know what I find interesting about that? She recommended that children read other books, such as The Chronicles of Narnia, and I realize that Narnia is a very - itís, you know, very religiously based; however, she talks about how Harry lies, cheats, and steals. Well, what can you say about Edmund from Narnia? He betrayed his family, and it was a mistake. Of course, he realized that, but itís another life lesson, just like Harry learns.
Micah: Not to mention thereís a witch in the story!
Laura: I know! And they sacrifice Aslan! She goes on about evil blood sacrifice, and Iím like, "Ummm... Aslan much?"
Andrew: You know, guys, this is bugginí me. This is really grindiní my gears.
Micah: Uh oh. Itís whatís bugginí Andrew now.
Andrew: This is really - this makes me want to ďGet a Butterbeer.Ē Makes me want to say, "Whatís Bugginí Andrew."
Andrew: But, how about we give her a call? Try to give her a call? Okay. Letís do it.
[Phone rings again]
[Still no answer]
Andrew: [laughs] Leave a message if ...
Mr. Mallory on answering machine: Hi, youíve reached the Mallorys. Your call is very important to us...
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Mr. Mallory on answering machine: Please leave your name and number...
Andrew: I bet!
Mr. Mallory on answering machine: ...and a brief message after the tone...
Andrew: Leave a message!
Mr. Mallory on answering machine: ...and weíll return your call as soon as possible. Thanks, and have a good day. Bye.
[Answering machine beeps]
Ben: Hey, Laura. This is Ben from the Harry Potter MuggleCast podcast, and I was just calling to ask you a few questions about your vendetta against the books, and to see if - feel free to give me a call back at this number. Thank you.
Andrew: All right. Well, thatís a bummer, but, hey - maybe sheíll call you back, Ben.
Ben: That - wouldnít that be weird?
Micah: [laughs] Yeah.
Laura: [laughs] What if she calls you at, like, three in the morning?
Micah: What would you say to her?
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Ben: "Hey, Ben, I want to ban your book because I want attention in the media is the real reason why."
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. [laughs] Well, I like the part where it goes, "Your call is really important to us."
Andrew: Is it? Then call us back! Anyway...
Andrew: [clears throat] Got to clear my throat for this next segme - bleah! - segment. Time for Andrewís ...
Ben: Sorry. Ben Schoenís dying.
Laura: Tell us whatís beyond the veil, Ben.
Ben: I donít know. Well, Iíll tell you.
Andrew: That sneeze.
Ben: Iíll write you a letter. Iíll bring my two-way mirror.
[Andrew and Micah laugh]
Ben: Iíll text message you from behind the veil.
Andrew: Hey, itís time for Andrewís HUH?! of the Week!
[Andre presses Staples Easy Button: That was easy!]
Andrew: Itís not an e-mail, guys. Itís something - itís something different this week. Itís actually a YouTube video, and a lot of you have been e-mailing us this video, and itís actually really funny, because this girl nailed it head-on. What makes a MuggleCast fan girl? And she got it exactly right, and she recorded it after she met all of us, and, you know, went to Lumos and all that. So, weíre going to play it right now. Thereís some naughty language in here, so we had to edit it down just a little bit, but take a listen to this. Itís pretty funny:
[Audio]: Oh, my god! Hi, guys. I just got back from Lumos, and it was, like, the best time I ever had in my life. It was, like, so amazing. There was, like, some really stupid that I didnít understand, but I got to see MuggleCast, and I got to see Emerson, and I got to see Andrew, and I got to see Ben, and I got to see Eric, and I got to see John Noe, and it was, like, so amazing. I waited in line for, like, twelve hours, even though you werenít really supposed to line up, but I just waited outside the door, because there was, like, some other stupid stuff going on, like, all my friends went to go see this guy. I donít really know his name. Itís like its Steve Vander something. Like, who thinks about Steve Vander something. I donít. I waited in line, and then, like, Emerson, like, walked by me, like, five times, and I was like, "Oh, my god! Emerson, I love you!" And he was like, "Yeah, blah blah blah.: And there was, like, really weird people at Lumos. And I was, like, really upset, because Dylan wasnít there, and really, Dylanís, like, the hottest one, and, like, some people think heís not very important, but I think heís really important, because he does the layouts for MuggleNet, and thatís, like, the most important part, and itís, like, if the layouts were never really good, like, no one would go to MuggleNet. Um, yeah. Thereís, like, a lot of people who, like, really like The Leaky Cauldron, and I donít know why. The Leaky Cauldronís really stupid. I donít know. I donít get Sue and her Hufflepuff stuff. Like, who wants to be in Hufflepuff? Hufflepuff is so stupid. Thereís no hot guys in Huff - oh. Never mind. There is a hot guy in Hufflepuff. [gospel music starts] Never mind. I, like, totally love Hufflepuff. Hufflepuff is, like, the best house ever. So, like, Jamie came up to me, and he was, like, "Do you want a sticker?" And I was, like, "Oh, my god! I would love a sticker!" And so he, like, gave me a sticker, and I was, like, "Oh, my god! Jamie just handed me a sticker!" So now, like, every night, for the most part, I kiss it and stuff. And, so, in total, I got, like, five hugs from Emerson, and, like, ten from Eric, and one from Andrew, and, like, three from Ben, and two from John Noe, and, um, five from Jamie, and I almost asked Laura Thompson for a hug, but no one, like, really cares about Laura Thompson anyway. Laura Thompson isnít a hot guy, so I donít really care about her. And I think she should just leave MuggleCast, because no one cares. Like, just think: Jamieís hands were on this, and maybe Emersonís hands were on it. And if Emersonís hands were on it, that means that J.K. Rowlingís hands were on it. Iíd rather be kissing Emersonís hands than J.K. Rowlingís hands. I know thatís really stupid, because, like, if it wasnít for J.K. Rowling, there would be no Harry Potter, and if there wasnít any Harry Potter, there would be, like, no Emerson.
Ben: That was great!
Andrew: That was good! That was good.
Andrew: Well, weíre going to wrap things up now with a Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul.
Ben: I hate this.
Andrew: The segment Ben loves to hate. This comes from Reva, 33, of Cleveland. Subject: Bad day, made me better. Actually, just Bad day made better.
Recently, I needed to have a surgical procedure done. The doctor said to find something I liked to listen to. They were going to use a local anesthesia, so I figured I didnít want to stare into space for that long. Even though it was outpatient, he said I would be there a while. Three hours, to be exact. I borrowed a friendís iPod and downloaded three podcasts from MuggleCast. Needless to say, this was the first time the doctor ever had a patient giggling during a surgery. Thanks for making a really hard day a lot better. P.S. The [emphasizes] pickle thing got me every time, but maybe that was the anesthesia.
Ben: Oh, of course youíre going to include that one. Pickle, pickle, pickle, pickle...
Andrew: Pickle, pickle, pickle, pickle, pickle, pickle! [laughs] No, that had nothing to do with the pickle. That was just one that was sent in, so...
Andrew [Show Close with music in background]: Thank you, Reva. You can also send your Chicken Soup stories to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Just put "Chicken Soup" in the subject line. As always, we enjoy reading them.
So, boys and girls, yeah, that does wrap up Episode 58. We are so thrilled to be back as Peopleís Choice winners!
Laura: Doesnít it feel so good to say that?
Andrew: Once again, I am Andrew - yes it does.
Micah: Now, weíre up for another award, too. October 11.
Andrew: What's Oct...
Laura: Oh, yeah.
Andrew: Oh yeah! Kid's Choice Awards, Australia! [Laughs] Who's going?
Laura: I want my blimp.
Ben: Erica. [laughs]
Laura: I want blimps.
Andrew: Yeah, Erica. [laughs] We've got to have a... Yeah, anyone out there in Australia, who's going to be around, what is it, October 11th? Tune into Nickelodeon keep an eye out for the category of fave podcast. Let us know if we won, or if we lost. And if we won, I guess they'll be in contact with us? I don't know.
Ben: They'll e-mail us a surfboard. A picture of a surfboard.
Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] They said it's a web only category, so I don't know what that means, but hopefully we'll get something from it. So anyway, I'm Andrew.
Ben: I am Ben.
Laura: I'm Laura.
Micah: And I'm Micah.
Micah: [laughs] Thanks, Andrew.
Andrew: [laughs] Oh, our contact information. Ben, what is the P.O. Box?
P.O. Box 223
Moundridge, Kansas 67107.
Send us anything, everything, only if you want to. Remember there is no obligation to send anything to the MuggleCast P.O. Box. Only if you feel like it. Don't feel like you have to.
Andrew: You can also call us. In the United States: 1-218-20-MAGIC (62442) In the United Kingdom: 020-8144-0677 If in Australia: 02-8003-5668 That's for voicemail questions or comments. Also, you can Skype us with the user name MuggleCast to leave your voicemail questions, comments, or e-mail mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com.
Ben: Wait. There's a contact form on MuggleCast.com, our web page.
Andrew: Or if you just want to e-mail any of us personally, it's out first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Also, do not forget that the interview with creators of the Order of the Phoenix video game. For more information on that, go to MuggleCast.com it will be right there. Also, check out our new MuggleCast website!
Ben: Oh, crap, is that up?
Ben: I have to get it up then
Andrew: No, but it has to go up. [laughs] We have a fun new blog on there that we'll be posting all the MuggleCast updates, and maybe we'll do something else with it. All the usual stuff is there. Once again that wraps up episode 58, and we'll see everyone next week for Episode 59! We leave you tonight with a special MuggleCast parody by a MuggleCast listener, Tom, who took some audio clips of Ben and I, and put them in to a mock interview that he did with us. It's actually pretty funny, so you'll hear that at the end of the show. Bye everyone!
Ben: See ya!
Micah: See ya!
Andrew: Bye! Bye Internet. [laughs and says in high-pitched voice] Bye!
Tom: Hello and welcome to the first edition of a probable series of one; MuddleCast, the companion podcast to the popular Harry Potter show, MuggleCast. I'm your host, Tom Stelzer. The aim of this podcast is to provide you devoted MuggleCast listeners with the background on your favorite podcasters, through interviews with each of the main players. Whilst many of you have met many of the podcasters at various live events, we still really haven't had a chance to get to know the people behind the minds, which is where this show will come in. First up, we're going to catch up with Andrew Sims, the host of MuggleCast. Hello Andrew.
Andrew: Welcome everyone to the show, but...
Tom: Thanks, Andrew, but that's my job here.
Andrew: Yeah! Yeah! All right!
Tom: Who's that in the background? Is that your cheer squad or something?
Tom: Do they scream every time you say "Yeah"?
Andrew: Yeah! Yeah! All right!
Tom: Okay, so anyway, Andrew, you having a good day?
Tom: How's it been?
Andrew: All right!
Tom: That's good to hear.
Tom: Ummm, okay. So first up, Andrew, would you be able to tell us how the idea of doing a Harry Potter podcast first came up?
Andrew: Yeah! Yeah! All right!
Tom: Care to elaborate?
Andrew [To the tune of the Harry Potter theme song]: Nar nar nar nar nar nar nar nar nar nar nar...
Tom: Are you actually going to say something?
Tom: Well that's good, let's hear it then.
Andrew: All right!
Tom: Yeah, we got that the first time, but is there anything else you'd like to add?
Tom: Yeah, you've already said that, too. Okay, well, I think that's all we've got time for. Ladies and Gentlemen, Andrew Sims.
Andrew: Yeah! Yeah! All right!
Tom: Thanks, Andrew. That was very illuminating. Okay, next up we've got everyone's favorite MoundRidgian, although that's nothing special because there's only about five of them. Direct from Kansas, it's Ben Schoen.
Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.
Tom: I - yeah. I just said that. So, anyway, how are you today, Ben?
Ben: It's rough being Ben Schoen.
Tom: So, what are you up to today?
Ben: Thirty six inches of...
Tom: No, I wasn't talking about how much Subway you've eaten. I mean what are you going to be doing today?
Ben: Give me a Butterbeer.
Tom: Uh, sorry Ben, but I don't have any Butterbeer.
Ben: It's rough being Ben Schoen.
Tom: I'm sure it is. Anyway, I'm sorry but that's all we've got time for today.
Ben: Time flies when you're having fun.
Tom: Very true. Thanks, Ben.
Jamie: [Slowly] I've never ever insulted your parents.
Ben: There he goes.
Jamie: [Slowly laughs] Can you record it for me so I can hear it?
Andrew: Yeah, we're recording. You sound really stupid. [laughs]
[Andrew and Ben laugh]
Andrew: [Imitating Jamie] Hey guys blah blah blah!
Jamie: Record it for me. Andrew, record it for me so I can hear it.
Andrew: Yeah, I know.
Micah: While we're on the topic of banning, as reported previously, the Georgian mother, Laura Mallory campaigned for the Harry Potter books to be removed... [stumbles over word] Yes! Oh, nice. Now he dropped it. See, this is why you cannot do the news, and watch the Mets in the playoffs at the same time.
Written by: Micah, Adrienne, Allison, Amanda, Jessica, Judy, Mandie, Margaret, Martina, Matthew, Megan, Sarah, Shannon and Shelly