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MuggleCast 59 Transcript

Show Intro

Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: Because JKR got bored on the train, thank you, Erin, Grace, and Sarah, this is MuggleCast Episode 59 for October 14th, 2006.

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Jamie: Because magic is a manifestation of the mind... [Jamie continues one of his V for Vendetta rants] And I'm Jamie Lawrence.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Jamie: And I'm tired after that.

Andrew: Who wrote that for you, Jamie? [laughs]

Jamie: That was...

Kevin: Wow, you did it the first time.

Jamie: Stephanie. That was Stephanie. Thank you, Stephanie.

Andrew: We're back for another week of MuggleCast. No Ben this week, unfortunately. Eric's...

Jamie: Sorry, did you say "unfortunately"?

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: I almost had you there, Andrew. I'm joking Ben. I love you, Ben.

Micah: I think Laura Mallory actually got to him.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh! [laughs]

Jamie: Literally, she got to him. Killed him, murdered him...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Eric Scull, you know, New Zealand, California, Vegas...

Laura: New York...

Andrew: Wherever else he went.

Laura: ...Chicago.

Andrew: New wasn't enough. He's in Chicago this week.

Laura: I think you said Miami's next, right? Andrew?

Kevin: Oh really?

Andrew: At this rate...

Jamie: What? He's actually going this - now? As in after Chicago?

Laura: Yes, Jamie. Yes, he's going to Miami.

Kevin: Yes, it's a cross-country tour.

Jamie: I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [Laughs] I know!

Jamie: Considering he goes half way around the world every single week and then still comes back and works 18 hours a day.

Laura: Hey you know what? I think everybody should write to the MuggleCast e-mail, saying where they think Eric will go next.

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: "Where's Eric?"

Jamie: Get a free T-shirt if you guess the city, hotel, time, place, everything.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Kevin: It's a twist on "Where's Waldo?"

Laura: [laughs] Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Andrew: I have a feeling he'll be done after the Chicago trip.

Jamie: But, Kevin, you can spot Eric really easily because he'd just be wearing his Hogwarts robes on the photos. [laughs]

Kevin: [laughs] That's true!

Jamie: He would be easy to spot.

Andrew: Oh, speaking of Hogwarts robes, we got to talk about what we're all going to be for Halloween, because I know what I'm going to be and all of you can probably guess. But, first...

Jamie: What, Bono?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No, not Bono. That's a good idea! No, not Bono. But first, Micah Tannenbaum, you have the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.


Micah: The Portuguese Harry Potter translator, Isabella Nunes, has reportedly confirmed in an interview with a Portuguese fan site that RAB does indeed stand for Regulus Arcturus Black. Apparently, before Book Six hit shelves, she contacted Jo about the character's gender, and was told the full name as well as the gender.

Her reason for shedding light on the topic at this point is to "keep awake" the excitement for the seventh book. In the past, Nunes also clarified that Blaise Zabini is a man and Professor Sinistra is a woman.

Last month we told you about a new cover for Quidditch Through the Ages, included in the Harry Potter Schoolbooks Box Set along with Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Now, the cover for the latter has emerged online. Both books benefit UK charity Comic Relief and can be purchased on [mutters]Shameless plug.

In movie news, a recent breakthrough in film technology, developed by Image Metrics, allows a computer to map an actor's performance onto any character: virtual or human, living or dead. The developers say it is far superior to standard hand-drawn computer graphics which are very costly and time-consuming. Warner Bros. will use this technology in the depiction of Grawp (played by Tony Maudsley) in Order of the Phoenix, which will surely bring Hagrid's giant half-brother to life.

While in New York City for the premiere of his new film, Driving Lessons, Rupert Grint sat down for a chat with AM New York, where he discussed filming on Order of the Phoenix. He said they shot the Thestral scenes recently and that "it was really a good time because they had to make a mold, a specially made harness that goes under your legs, because in the film it has to be invisible. They put you on this crane and lifted you up in the air. That's been my favorite scene so far."

Speaking of the fifth film, the first theatrical teaser trailer for Order of the Phoenix will be released Friday, November 17th in front of the WB film Happy Feet.

And, additional information has emerged this week on Daniel Radcliffe's appearance as Alan Strang in the London West End play, "Equus." Apparently, 60 audience members will be seated on the stage itself with the rest in the stalls and circle. The play, written by Peter Shaffer, will run in the round for 16 weeks. Previews will begin on February 16th and the official opening is scheduled for the 27th. Rehearsals will commence January 3rd.

And, tied into a topic we mentioned on last week's show, finally, the online hangout will organize 20 concerts featuring bands promoted on its site as part of a campaign to raise awareness and money for humanitarian relief in Sudan. We'll have complete information on this in the show notes.

That's all the news for this October 14th, 2006, edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.


Andrew: Okay, thank you Micah. Anyway, guys: Halloween. What are you all going to be for Halloween?

Laura: What am I going to be for Halloween, Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I'm going to be a Target employee.

Andrew: Oh!

Kevin: Oh!

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Because that's what I'm doing on Halloween.

Kevin: That sounds really interesting.

Laura: Yay me!

Andrew: What is that? A nice red polo shirt with a little Target logo on it?

Laura: Yeah, with my lame khaki pants.

Andrew: Khaki pants? [laughs]

Kevin: I was thinking a belligerent college student, what do you think?

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: You expect to walk around like that?

Andrew: I was expecting you to be Bill Gates, actually.

Kevin: [laughs] Yeah!

Jamie: I'm going to be boring. I'm going to stay in and I'm just going to dropkick people's pumpkins when they ask me for trick or treats.

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: Oh okay, so he's going to be a...

Micah: You're not going to steal their candy?

Jamie: No, I am. You know, you should learn that life is a complete disappointment early in life.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: You shouldn't have to wait you're like a teenager or older, so when they come around, I'm going to steal their candy, drop-kick their pumpkins, and tell them that if they ever come back here again, I'm going to sort them out.

[Everyone laugh]

Jamie: I'm sorting them out, you know

Andrew: Micah, what are you going to be for Halloween?

Micah: I don't know. I don't think I can top Jamie's stealing candy from children.

Jamie: Just do the same, then. Micah [laughs]: Just do the same?

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Yeah. I would. Laura, that's wrong when you say you can't be too old for Halloween.

Laura: You're never too old for Halloween.

Jamie: That's not true!

Andrew: Well, no...

Jamie: If you're 110, and you can't move, you should not be dressing up as a vampire and going around for candy.

Laura: Excuse me, Jamie.

Jamie: Yeah?

Laura: If you're 110, then Halloween is the perfect holiday for you.

Jamie: Yeah. Oh yeah, you don't have to dress up.

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: It's true, yeah.

Jamie: Although, I'm sure - no, no, no. Come on. I think you can be too old for it.

Laura: Nope, you're wrong.

Kevin: I don't think you can.

Jamie: It's like... Go on!

Laura: Hey! Halloween - I'll remind you all - Halloween is J.K. Rowling's favorite holiday. So, you can never be too old for Halloween.

Jamie: But, that doesn't mean you could - that's good, but that doesn't mean you can't be too old for it.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I never said... I said you can't be too old for Halloween. It's an awesome holiday.

Andrew: I mean I'm not going to be going trick-or-treating.

Laura: Well, it doesn't mean you have to trick-or-treat.

Andrew: I feel a little too old for that, yeah. Well, I'm going to be...

Jamie: What else are you meant to do, then?

Andrew: Everyone in my school, you know, everyone... I was sort of outed this year with the whole Harry Potter thing. So, I'm going to be Harry Potter.

Jamie: Really?

Laura: Really?

Andrew: No cloak.

Kevin: You don't have a cloak?

Laura: Do you remember last year when people dressed up as us?

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, that contest.

Jamie: No. [laughs]

Kevin: Oh yeah, that was...

Laura: Wasn't that weird?

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. That was pretty funny. But, I'm going to be hosting the morning show program that we do, and we have to dress up.

Jamie: Nice.

Andrew: Me and my friend are going to be Harry Potter. I'm going to be vested...

Jamie: Hey!

Andrew: What?

Jamie: Doesn't being Harry Potter just involve drawing a scar and putting on some glasses? That's what everyone seems to do.

Andrew: Scarf? No, not scarf. Yeah. Scar, glasses. I'm going to wear the gray vest.

Jamie: Dye your hair black as well?

Andrew: The white under shirt.

Kevin: Yeah, Andrew. Do you have...

Andrew: The black pants.

Kevin: Do you have the Triwizard Cup still?

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: You can bring that around. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: The one you were supposed to give away like three months ago.

Laura: You know what this reminds me of?

Andrew: I don't know what you're talking about, Kevin. [laughs]

Kevin: Okay?

Laura: I was actually hired to work on MuggleNet on Halloween.

Andrew: Really?

Kevin: Really?

Laura: So, this Halloween is going to be my two-year anniversary, yes.

Andrew: Oh wow.

Kevin: That was a sad day in MuggleNet history.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: It's been downhill from there.

Kevin: Yep. Andrew [laughs]: Anyway...

Laura: That's what they all say.


Andrew: Let's get people up-to-date here on some things that we're doing around the podcast. We have the new website up. Hopefully everyone's enjoyed that. We've gotten a lot of good feedback about it. We're working on the comments.

Laura: Even though the comments don't work.

Andrew: Yeah, we're working on that. It's a MuggleNet server issue. It's not really our fault. And also every week, we're going to be making a round-up post, that'll basically go over what the feedback was of the previous week's show. And Laura did the first one for Episode 58. And without the comments, we have no way of telling if people like it or not. [laughs]

Laura: If you guys actually liked it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: So, if you guys hated it, just write me and tell me you hated it.

Andrew: It'll just be a good way of keeping the site fresh and going over some people's feedback.

Transcript Update

Andrew: Micah you got an update about the transcripts?

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. Just the database is finally up-to-date, after a couple of months. I think since about the summertime. We've had some problems getting things up to you guys in a timely fashion. But, everything should start to be moving along smoothly. We have a lot of stuff going on right now. We're still working on L.A. with Leaky, and Episode 58 and now 57, and now 59. So, we might get backed up a little bit.

Jamie: Cool.

Micah: But, I want to take just a moment to thank everyone. This is going to be like one of Jamie's V for Vendetta lists right here.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Hey! Micah [laughs]: Because there are a lot of people. But, just to thank the transcribers, I'm just going to go through the list real quick: Shelly, Shannon, Sarah, Roni, Megan, Marti, Mandie, Judy, Jessica, Amanda, Ally, Adrienne, Matthew. And then we have three editors: Margaret, Eloise, and Allison. And we just added two this week: Samantha and Brianna.

[Kevin laughs]

Micah: So, thanks you guys!

Jamie: Thank you!

Andrew: Thank you! Look at this team Micah has built!

Laura: Thanks!

Micah: I know!

Jamie: Micah.

Andrew: It's an excellent job, Micah.

Laura: He remembers.

Jamie: He remembers. Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: To think that I used to do the episodes all by myself.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: You know, I meant to tell you this the other day. I was thinking about this for some reason before I went to bed one night. I was just thinking about how great it was - the best idea we ever had to hire Micah. Seriously.

Kevin: Thank you.

Andrew: Thanks, Micah.

Laura: Awww, Micah.

Kevin: It's like a sweat shop.

Jamie: Do you think about Micah every night before you go to sleep?

Andrew: Yeah, I do. [laughs]

[All laugh]

Jamie: I certainly do, so there's no shame in it.

Andrew: I have a picture of him on my night stand.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: That's kind of creepy.

Jamie: I've got seven.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

MuggleCast T-Shirts

Andrew: Also, MuggleCast t-shirts - we haven't done this in awhile - we have some new MuggleCast t-shirt designs and I don't think we've plugged them at all on the show. So, go to

Jamie: We always plug them.

Andrew: ...and click on "Store" at the link or "Store" at the top. [laughs] Is it called "store" or "shop"?

Jamie: One of them. It's one of them.

Andrew: "Store." It's called "Store."

Jamie: Go to either.

Andrew: Pick up one of these great new t-shirt designs. They are really cool. I saw one - I saw the first one at the live Leaky Mug. Someone was wearing it. And it's very nice. It's a MuggleCast Crest t-shirt. Then, we also have Lumos shirts up for sale and we're working on one more design which should be out around Christmas, but for now, purchase your MuggleCast t-shirt today. Help support the show. Thank you very much.

Jamie: I agree.

Episode 57 Update

Andrew: Also, after much skepticism, complaints, barrates, all these, all these, all this - ah, it just hurts so much. Episode 57 is finally released, four weeks late, but, hey. It's out.

Jamie: It's still out?

Andrew: It's a bit of a mess. I had to record the second half of the show again. Well, my voice - because my - I lost the audio file. It's not a bad show, actually. We didn't make a news post on MuggleNet. We will with this new episode, but, so check that out. Sorry for the delay.

Laura: Yeah. They made you cry, didn't they Andrew?

Kevin: Wow.

Andrew: Yeah. All of these people were complaining about how we were just doing it to keep up with PotterCast and all this nonsense.

Jamie: How dare they.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It was just because if you listen to 57 you will see it's a very dated show. That's why the title of the show in fact is called MuggleCast 57: This Show is Outdated. So...

[Jamie laughs]

Kevin: Oh. Good title.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] So, Jamie you got this RS...

Kevin: That's the one we recorded before LA right?

Andrew: Right before the trip.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Chocolate Frogs have...

Andrew: Jamie, you got that...

Jamie: Huh?

Andrew: You got the RSVP thing? That's yours, right?

Jamie: Oh. Oh, yeah. Well, before I do it, I'd just like to say that Chocolate Frogs have furious fights over who gets to be in the box with a Dumbledore card.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: That was pretty good.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: From Phoebe, 16, from Texas. Thank you.


Okay, the RSVP thing. Okay. Somebody, I can't remember who because the e-mail got deleted and I can't remember who, so I'm sorry, wrote in to point out that I had been mispronouncing RSVP. Not the actual abbreviation, but the actual thing. I was saying it's repondez, s'il vous plait [pronounces it "ray-pond-ay see voo play"] and there's an "s" in there, so it's respondez s'il vous plait [pronounces it "ray-spond-ay see voo play"]. Well done to them for spotting out my deliberate error and for pointing it out. So, yeah. Well done, because I did do that on purpose just to test who was listening and who was up to scratch on their French.

Kevin: Oh, I'm sure.

Jamie: Oh, by the way, instead of doing an actual segment for the Dumbledore-Chuck Norris facts, I thought I'd just put them in whenever there's an awkward silence or gap or something like that. So, let me know if you like that more.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay.

Listener Rebuttal: The Veil

Andrew: We also have a listener rebuttal this week, and then we'll get into our main discussion. This comes from Valerie, 16, of New York and she just wanted to clear up a little mistake we made on Episode 58.

"I have a rebuttal regarding the Veil. On Episode 58 you mentioned that Ginny could have heard 'beyond the veil' because she saw Riddle die. This theory isn't possible because a few pages earlier it was stated that she couldn't see the Thestrals so she couldn't have seen death."

A lot of people brought this up to us and its true but the eternal optimist could always say, "Well gee, maybe she's just pretending."

Laura: No, Valerie's right.

Andrew: Yeah, I know. She's right. [laughs]

Laura: Thank you, Valerie.

Andrew: I'm just trying to cover it. So, with that said...

Jamie: So wait, even the eternal optimist would be screwed in this regard, then, completely? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie: Couldn't win.

Andrew: But with that said we should revise the conclusion that we made last week, which is in order to hear voices from the Veil, you have to have seen death.

Laura: I don't think so.

Andrew: But now...yeah. But now the general consensus...

Laura: I disagree.

Andrew: I know.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Wait, you weren't on the show last week right?

Laura: No, I was.

Andrew: Oh, you were.

Laura: But, you guys kept saying that it was death, and I kept saying that Ginny had never seen anyone die.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: You did say that?

Jamie: She says that now. She says that...

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Laura: Okay!

Andrew: You did not say that.

Laura: Go back and listen to the show.

Andrew: Maybe you did.

Laura: I said Ginny has never seen anyone die, therefore...

Jamie: She's taking all the credit for Valerie's hard work, Andrew, here. Oh, shameful.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: When the transcripts released tomorrow, we'll go back and we'll take a look and see

Laura: No. I can tell you exactly what I said.

Andrew: She probably did. She probably did.

Laura: I said...

Jamie: Yeah. She probably did, yeah. [laughs]

Laura: ...I don't know if Ginny's seen anyone die so there's got to be a different common link between those four people.

Andrew: No one brought up the Thestrals though. That was the mistake that we made, saying that Ginny could see the Thestrals.

Laura: The mistake that you made, not me.

Andrew: Okay. Sorry. [laughs]

Laura: I'm just kidding, Andrew. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] So now, thinking about it, it could be a near death experience because Ginny was in a near death experience in the Chamber of Secrets.

Laura: Yeah. That was actually in the Roundup that I posted that one listener thought that because - she thought that maybe it was a traumatic experiences that made them more vulnerable to the Veil's...

Jamie: Power.

Laura: ...attraction.

Micah: So, you're saying Ron and Hermione have never experienced a traumatic event?

Laura: I'm not saying that. I'm saying listener feedback and see it kind of brings into question what would the level of trauma have to be?

Kevin: Considering...yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: It's like, "Yeah, Ron, you almost died when you were 11 years old. That doesn't count." You know, so...

Jamie: Yeah. [laughs]

Main Discussion: Time and the Department of Mysteries

Andrew: Alright. So, this week we are going to talk about the Department - well, no. This is continuing our series about the Department of Mysteries. Today we're going to be talking about [sings] time. Ben's not hear to sing it with me either. [chokes up]

Jamie: What song is it?

Laura: You're all alone Andrew.

Andrew: City of Blinding Lights by U2.

Jamie: Oh.

Laura: Oh boy.

Jamie: Why - what does time have to do with that?

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Or is it - or did you just say time in the theme of City of Blinding Lights [laughs]

Andrew: No, no.

Kevin: He applies every word...

Andrew: That's what we're talking about. We're talking about time.

Jamie: Oh.

Andrew: And in the song they sing [sings] "Time..."

Jamie: Oh, I see.

Andrew: [sings] "Time will leave me as I am. Time taking the boy out of this man." Okay. Anyway, Jamie go for it. [laughs]

Jamie: Well, okay. Time is an extremely interesting topic because it has been the subject of, you know, sort of a great deal of science fiction films, fantasy novels, and it's something that you can't really explain. It's very complicated, very intense topic, and even for the most powerful of wizards and witches when messed with, it can have dire consequences. So, and especially when it comes down to the Department of Mysteries and time, because obviously the Ministry of Magic isn't completely, what’s the word? What's the opposite of corrupt? Sorry, what's the opposite of non-corrupt? Corrupt. Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Congratulations, Jamie.

Jamie: Thank you. Thank you. Fine, fine. So, the Ministry of Magic isn't completely non-corrupt, so you know, time, when placed in the hands of a bad person, like Voldemort, could be very, very deadly. So, let's talk about time. Let's start off with our first question.

Does The Ministry Control Time?

Jamie: How much control does the Ministry have over time, and time meddling, more specifically? And the first bit of that is, it took a long, long time for Hermione to get the Time Turner in The Prisoner of Azkaban. And it seems, because of this, that the Ministry has strict controls, but maybe, like the other Ministry-related things, they are open to outside control. What do you guys think?

Laura: Well, do you think that they were monitoring anything that Hermione was doing with the Time Turner? Because...

Jamie: You mean like tracking what she was doing?

Laura: Yeah, because it seems like if they really wanted to make sure that it wasn't being abused...

Jamie: Oh yeah.

Laura: ...they would, but at the same time, no one's ever said anything to the trio about going back and saving Sirius.

Jamie: Well, exactly. You'd think that they'd restrict it so she couldn't just go back ten years and change stuff that she wanted to, but I'm sure they wouldn't allow her to go back and rescue Sirius, as you say, so perhaps they don't. Perhaps the tests are, before she gets it, and then once they're satisfied she won't use it for anything bad, they give her free reign over it. Although, that does seem a bit, you know, reckless.

Laura: It's kind of dangerous, though.

Jamie: It is.

Laura: But, I mean again, it's something they would do.

Jamie: [coughs] Yeah, no, it is.

Micah: I'm actually rereading Prisoner of Azkaban right now, but I don't remember. Does the Ministry know that she has the Time Turner?

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, definitely.

Laura: Yeah, she said that McGonagall had to write tons and tons of letters to get it for her.

Andrew: So maybe they just have to convince them - well, McGonagall just had to convince the Ministry that she could be trusted enough to do this.

Kevin: Now do you think the Ministry is only one with Time Turners?

Jamie: Well, exactly. They're like - surely you can get one. You can't, you know....

Kevin: See...

Jamie: And where do they get them from? Do they make them? Or are they natural?

Kevin: You see the thing is, is...

Laura: [laughs] What, do they just pop out of the ground, Jamie?

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Like flowers?

Jamie: Yes, yes.

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: They grow on trees.

Jamie: They have Time Turner trees and you just pluck one off and wind it back and you're fine.

Andrew: When it's ripe, of course.

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