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Show Intro

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[Show intro music]

Because life takes MuggleCast, this is MuggleCast Episode 62 for November 5th, 2006...allegedly.

Eric: Remember, remember, the fifth of November. The Gunpowder Treason and plot. I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot.

Ben: What is that - what is that from?

Eric and Jamie: V for Vendetta.

[Jamie laughs]

Eric: The quote is V, with the Guy Fawkes mask on, because, Jamie?

Jamie: Well, because a few years ago - quite a few now - Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament just like V did in the film, and he didn't succeed, unlike V in the film, and he got caught, tortured, sentenced to death along with his fellow conspirators. And so we celebrate - I don't know why we [laughs] celebrate it, actually.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: But yeah, we do, every single November 5th, by setting off loads and loads of fireworks, basically. That's it in a nutshell.

Ben: Because he tried to blow a building up?

Jamie: Yeah, I know.

[Ben laughs]

Eric: Well, he's not...

Jamie: It isn't just a building, to be fair. That's like, you know, it's quite an important building. But, yeah, basically, because he did that.

Eric: It was like - they were against the Catholics, were they? The - there was like oppression.

Jamie: Yeah, I can't remember the King's name. I can't believe, this is so bad, I don't know this.

Ben: Was that - was that the start of the show, or what?

Jamie: Yes.

Eric: That's why it's MuggleCast now. So, it's 62.

Ben: Oh, so it's MuggleCast now..

Eric: For November 5th, 2006.

Ben: [laughs] Oh, well, welcome back, everybody. I'm Ben Schoen.

Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

[Intro music continues to play]

Halloween Recap

Ben: This is the show where we bring you Harry Potter news, theories, discussion, you know, all that good stuff. This is the first episode after Halloween.

Jamie: Actually...

Ben: How is everybody? What did you end up doing, Jamie?

Jamie: What did I end up doing? I stayed at home, waiting by the door, with my steel-toed shoes on so I could dropkick pumpkins...

[Ben laughs]

Jamie: ...and not break my toes, but it turns out that no one...

Ben: And kick little kids in the side of the head, right?

Jamie: Exactly. Specifically that.

Ben: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: But no one turned up, no one knocked, so I think they must have heard the show and got worried and not turned up. So, yeah, I had a boring evening in.

Ben: Aw, that's too bad. What about - what about you, Micah?

Micah: Actually, very similar. Nobody came to my door at all for trick-or-treating. I was kind of disappointed.

Ben: [laughs] We hope that everyone else had a good holiday, too. Without further ado, let's go to Micah Tannenbaum for a look at this past week's Harry Potter news stories.


Micah: [in chipmunk voice] At 5:30 PM on November 16th, Bonnie Wright will switch on London's Marylebone High Street Christmas lights as part of the seasonal festivities. The event will include various live music acts, food and drink, shopping stalls, an appearance by Santa, and a fireworks display.

The team at MuggleNet Fan Fiction has posted the winners of their first annual Quill Awards, which recognizes excellence in fan fiction writing. Congrats to all the winners, and we hope everyone enjoys the stories!

Access Hollywood via Dark Horizons is reporting that Michael Hoffman is in talks with Warner Brothers to direct Half-Blood Prince, which is due for release in November 2008.

An official announcement is expected by the end of the year, and we'll let you know of updates as we hear them!

HBO on Demand will start airing "a sneak preview" of Order of the Phoenix on November 20th. Right now there are no other details concerning what will be included in HBO's preview, but our guess is that it might include clips from the trailer, which will be released on November 17th before Happy Feet. As we reported in October, Goblet of Fire will make its television premiere on November 19th. In association with the movie, HBO is holding a contest to win tickets to the Order of the Phoenix premiere. Finally, be sure to check out a brand-new interview with David Thewlis (who plays Professor Lupin) where he discusses the fifth Harry Potter film.

[changes to normal voice] And just so you know that that was legit, that's all the news [changes to chipmunk voice] for this November 5th, [changes to normal voice] 2006 edition of MuggleCast. [changes to chipmunk voice] Back to the show.

Ben: [laughs] Thanks for that, Micah. See...

Eric: [laughs] Micah Tannenbaum!

Ben: See, for those of you who don't remember, Micah made a bet that if she did not release the title on Halloween, that he would have to say the news in a chipmunk voice and so [laughs] there you have it.

Eric: What?

Jamie: Nice one.

Micah: I kept up my end of the deal, though. So...

Title of Book Seven

Ben: So, Micah, why didn't she release the title? Do you think she's not ready? I mean, she did talk about the title, right?

Micah: She did talk about the title.

Kevin: I think she did that just to taunt you.

Ben: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah. I agree.

Ben: [laughs] Just to taunt Micah.

Micah: I didn't pay her enough, actually.

[Kevin laughs]

Ben: Well, speaking of which, that's something we want to discuss, is she said she has a third title for Book Seven. We were all there at Radio City Music Hall the second night - well, some of us were. And she said how that morning, or that day during the - while she was in the shower, she thought of a second title for Book Seven, and now she has a third one and she said that it is ahead by a short nose, or "perhaps that should be a vowel and two consonants." So, what do you guys think about the whole title stuff?

Eric: I think she added three letters.

Kevin: I think she's teasing us.

Micah: Yeah, I mean, now there's not just two, now there's three. She just likes messing around with us.

Jamie: Oh, I feel...

Ben: I know. Hopefully, hopefully we'll get to know what the other two titles are.

Jamie: I know what it is. It's...

Ben: What?

Jamie: She's just added the word "the" to it. That's two consonants and a vowel.

[Eric and Kevin laugh]

Jamie: I bet it's something, something, and something, and then... Oh, sorry, Harry Potter and something, and then she's added "the" into it. I bet that's it. In fact, I will eat...

Eric: You know what that...

Jamie: Actually, no I won't.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: You stop right there.

Ben: [laughs] "I will eat." I love those bets.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah. Although, I just think it means that she favors this title above the other two and that it's just got a few more letters than the other two, as well.

Time on Book Seven Title

Ben: Right, but if she didn't release the title this - on Halloween, when do you think we can see it? I mean, when do you think we will see it?

Jamie: Christmas, maybe?

Eric: I don't want to wait that long.

Ben: I don't know.

Jamie: It's like a month.

Eric: I think maybe something like this. Guy Fawkes Day.

Jamie: Huh?

Ben: Yeah, but what about...

Eric: It's Guy Fawkes Day today.

Ben: Today?

Eric: Maybe by the end of the night she'll release the title.

Ben: I doubt it.

Kevin: Maybe Christmas?

Ben: So, what do you think this means for the timing of Book Seven? I still think it's going to be 2008.

Jamie: Yeah, I agree.

Kevin: Yeah, I do, too.

Jamie: Of course, all the way, 2008.

Ben: But don't you agree that's kind of cool because we get to do this for a whole other year? Isn't that awesome?

Eric: I don't know, why don't we ask the audience? Do you guys want to sit through this for another year?

Ben: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: I can't hear them right now, I must admit.

Ben: More cities. More cities, more...

Jamie: More continents.

Ben: Yeah, more continents, more...

Jamie: More planets.

Ben: Yeah, for you it's continents, yeah.

Jamie: More planets. We'll go to Mars next, Ben.

Ben: Yeah, we're going to podcast - we're going to podcast...

Kevin: More planets.

Ben: We're going to podcast from the moon.

Jamie: Yeah.

[Jamie and Kevin laugh]

Ben: Certainly, I don't think, the fact that she didn't release it probably means that she's still working on it and probably has quite a bit left to go. So...

Jamie: Oh, yeah.

Ben: Sorry for those of you who were counting on 2007. I don't think it's going to happen.

Eric: But something that Ben said about us knowing the other two potential titles, too. I don't know if we will or not, because there's definitely people who are like, "Oh, I prefer that title better." You know? And I...

Ben: Well, maybe, maybe they give away too much, like...

Jamie: Yeah, they probably do.

Ben: Besides the title, maybe the other two would add - give us more information.

Jamie: Harry Potter and the Death of Harry Potter.

Ben: She definitely wouldn't release... Yeah, The Death of Harry Potter. [laughs]

[Jamie laughs]

Ben: She definitely wouldn't release the other two until after Book Seven is already done.

Eric: Yeah, I would think so.

Jamie: Yeah. And people have read it.

Eric: And after everybody is used to it.

Ben: I just don't think it's possible.

Eric: And it could be like an alternate title. Like, did you guys know - no, I'm not going to make the comparison, well, I guess I am. Star Wars: Episode VI was actually, preliminarily, Revenge of the Jedi. And there were actually posters you can get on EBay, Revenge of the Jedi, Episode VI: Revenge of the Jedi, and George Lucas, then halfway through the ad campaign, decided that Jedi weren't vengeful necessarily in their character, so he turned it to Return of the Jedi.

Ben: Oh.

Eric: And then of course Episode III became Revenge of the Sith.

Jamie: Return of the Sith.

Eric: [laughs] Return of the Sith. Well, they were there.

Kevin: Return of the Sith. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: But, yeah. So, that was interesting.


Ben: But anyways, one way you can - one way you can demonstrate your support for our show, if you want us to keep doing this for years, is by voting for us on Podcast Alley. com. I have no idea, no idea where we are right now on [laughs] on Podcast Alley. Sorry, I just looked at the picture there, again.

Eric: Because truth be told we don't even check it. We just, you know, vote for us.

Ben: Yeah, well see, it's actually not loading right now. Oh, here we go. Oh, geez, we are number four and we are getting - we're not even the number one Harry Potter podcast on Podcast Alley.

Eric: Great. Gee, which one?

Ben: So, go out show your support for us, vote for MuggleCast.

Jamie: Please, please.

MuggleNet Book Update

Ben: A little update on the book. We have received quite a few pre-orders and we're very pleased with the amount of people, the feedback on it, the amount of people who are purchasing it, and once again,'s, What Will Happen in Harry Potter 7: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Falls in Love, And How Will The Adventure Finally End? You can purchase it - pre-order it through Amazon. I think the book's actually going to be at retailers by the end of this month. So, you can go pick it up at your Barnes and Noble if you don't want to pre-order it. Yeah, but if you do pre-order, it helps support the show, the site, everything, so go ahead and do that.

Eric: Ben, do you think we might be able to grace ourselves with an interview with the authors of that novel?

Jamie: No, no, they're untouchable, Ben, I hear.

Ben: I don't know, they're pretty busy.

Jamie: They are very busy.

Kevin: Yeah.

[Ben laughs]

Kevin: Very arrogant.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Well, I figure they had a show...

Jamie: And rather good-looking I hear, as well, from an unknown source.

Ben: Yeah, especially the one...

Eric: We may need to offer them a great portion of our money. You know, we could broadcast from zero gravity if we pulled the funds enough, because they are selling zero gravity trips now for what, $3,000?

Kevin: Where did his come from?

Eric: Because...

Jamie: Where did this come from?

Kevin: Yeah, but I think it's coming from the topic about broadcasting from space.

Eric: Because we could podcast from the moon.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: But the thing is, we said that like ten minutes ago. [laughs]

Jamie: Ten light years ago.

MuggleCast T-Shirts

Ben: Another reminder: MuggleCast t-shirts. We will end sale on them on January 1st. So, this is pretty much your last chance to buy them, as sort of like the big going out of business sale, but, however, you must remember this is not like those bands that do this for sympathy.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: And then three months later they come back, you know? [laughs] We all heard of, like, I think KISS - they're the band during the '70s, '80s, ands the '90s even. They had three different farewell tours, where they would disappear and then they would, all of a sudden, they would come back.

[Jamie laughs]

Ben: They wouldn't have their makeup on or they would have their makeup on, but we're not doing that. This is seriously it. We are no longer allowed to sell them after January 1st.

Jamie: Yeah. We always record with out makeup on, don't we, Ben?

[Micah laughs]

Ben: [laughs] Yeah, yes. But, yes, after January 1st we will no longer be allowed to sell the t-shirts, so go out and pick yours up.

Gilmore Girls

And one final thing we need to mention in the announcements this week is, last week Andrew, who is unfortunately not here to defend himself - he bashed the Gilmore Girls, the show that's on the WB or...

Eric: He didn't! He didn't!

Ben: Well, he said what his opinion was.

Eric: [sarcastically] Oh my god!

Ben: And it was not very kind.

Jamie: And he didn't prefix it with the word, "allegedly," or, "my opinion is," or...

Ben: Yeah. Didn't he say that he thought it was the stupidest show he's ever seen? [laughs]

Jamie: Apparently. [laughs]

Ben: Apparently.

Eric: Allegedly, "this is the stupidest show ever." No. I have no problem, I've seen a few episodes. I have no problem.

Micah: Well, actually...

Ben: Micah, didn't Andrew want you to say something about that?

Micah: He did. He actually sent me an official statement by him.

Jamie: From the heart, Micah, from the heart. From the heart.

Micah: [laughs] It is definitely from the heart! He wanted to communicate to the fans that he was just joking and he didn't want to upset anybody, because we did get a bunch of e-mails from fans. Some of them were a little bit more passionate than others, I guess this is the right way to put it.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: And he also wanted to say that he's watched a grand total of two minutes of The Gilmore Girls...

[Ben and Jamie laugh]

Micah: his opinion obviously was not that well-thought out. So, he does apologize to all the fans who like Gilmore Girls and...

Ben: Speaking of Andrew...

Eric: He's hospitalized right now from passionate...

Ben: Yeah, because The Gilmore Girls fan girls came and abducted him. [laughs] No, he's - yeah, he's not here this week. He's off doing a college visit. You know, he's preparing for the next level. I don't know. [laughs]

[Jamie laughs]

Ben: Yup. So, sorry about that.

Eric: What college?

Ben: We'll make sure that - just realize that it's our personal opinions.

Kevin: We'll have to keep him in line.

Ben: We're sorry that we offended anybody about The Gilmore Girls. We got an email from someone saying that they were deeply offended that we talked smack on The Gilmore Girls.

Eric: This is, after all, a Harry Potter podcast.

Ben: [laughs] Yeah, this is a Harry Potter podcast, not a Gilmore Girls podcast.

Micah: But we were joking, I think, and it was just taken a little bit out of context.

Jamie: Hey, I'm really, really glad it's not a Gilmore Girls [laughs] podcast, because that show sucks!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Allegedly! Allegedly!

Jamie: Oh, yeah, sorry. I forgot to mention it.

Eric: So, allegedly you're really glad.

Jamie: Allegedly glad.

Eric: We're following in the same pattern here.

Ben: See, we always make these mistakes.

Listener Rebuttal - Peeves

Ben: According to - who sent this rebuttal in? No name. They said:

"Hey, MuggleCasters! I have a comment about your discussion on the ghosts that live in Hogwarts. Laura is right. You can't get them out of the school, at least in the case of Peeves. Here's what I hope counts as proof. It's from the interview between Emerson, Melissa, and Jo. Emerson says, 'Why does Dumbledore allow Peeves to stay in the castle?' Jo says, 'You can't get him out.' Emerson says, (and this is the opinion that Jamie and I had), 'He's Dumbledore, he can do anything!'"

Jamie: Yeah!

Ben: "JKR says, 'No, no, no, no, no. Peeves is like dry rot. You can try and eradicate it. It comes with the building. If you've got Peeves, you're stuck.' And then Emerson replied, 'But Peeves answers to Dumbledore.'"

[Eric laughs]

Ben: "JKR said, 'Allegedly.' Melissa said, 'Allegedly?' JKR said, 'Yeah. I see Peeves as like a severe plumbing problem in an old building, and Dumbledore is slightly better with the spanner than most people. So, he can maybe make it function better for a few weeks, then it's going to leak again.'"

Jamie: Well, I'm sorry, Jo. You're wrong. She's wrong!

Ben: There you have it. We were wrong. Jo, she proved us wrong in this interview.

Jamie: No, she's wrong, Ben! She's wrong.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Yeah, she didn't know what she was talking about.

Micah: You know what this is?

Ben: What's up, Micah?

Micah: I was actually reading the interview, and I sent this to Laura. So I think Laura just made up a fake Listener Rebuttal to prove that she was right and the rest of us were wrong.

[Jamie laughs]

Ben: Yeah.

[Kevin laughs]

Listener Rebuttal - More on Peeves

Ben: Alyssa, 16, from Fairfax, California, has a related message for us.

"I was thinking about Peeves as the subject was brought up in Episode 61, and it seems logical to me that Peeves is a shape taken from all of the energy from the teenagers as they run around the school. He must have appeared sometime when the first students arrived at Hogwarts, and will only go away when there are no more students with poltergeist energy left. This is why no one has ever gotten rid of him."

Jamie: That's a very interesting point.

Eric: Thatís the best.

Kevin: It's very interesting.

Ben: It would kind of make sense...

Jamie: Yeah.

Ben: ...because he's mischievous, and every kid - even the goody-goody kids in schools - there's part of them that wants to rebel, even thought they may not do it all the time.

Jamie: Allegedly.

Eric: Allegedly. Yeah.

Jamie: Allegedly.

Eric: I think Alyssa has definitely struck gold as far as - because poltergeist activity to begin with is energy; usually a child's energy, actually. And I definitely like the idea that it's feeding off the mischievous sides of all the students. I think teachers, too. Peeves could be using some or taking some that the teachers can't do. I don't know. Because if you look at Book Five, they were kind of glad he was creating mischief. So, I think Peeves could feed off of everybody in the castle. Even Dumbledore.

Ben: Mhm. But I don't think it's the - I don't think it's the same way that he's feeding like a Dementor feeds off.

Eric: Oh, no, no, no. Not at all.

Ben: It's actually just - it doesn't take away from the energy, it just...

Eric: But he is there because it's there.

Ben: Of the energy, yeah. Hmmm. That's interesting. I never really thought of that, but yeah. I think Peeves is what... He's still good-natured, even though he does some pretty mean things sometimes.

Jamie: Yeah, he wouldn't drown anyone or kill anyone. He's just going to drop stuff on their heads. He's mischievous rather than malevolent.

Ben: Right. Definitely.

Eric: I think he's malevolent too. Just not murderous.

Character Discussion: Luna Lovegood

Ben: Pale eyes, radish earrings - Luna Lovegood. That's what this week's main discussion. Micah, did you want to make a few points?

Micah: Sure. Let's see.

Kevin: Points as to what?

Eric: By the way, this is the main discussion.

Micah: Sure.

Ben: Well, points as to - like, a little bit of information about her.

Kevin: Just to introduce this?

Ben: Yeah, this is the main discussion, by the way.

Micah: Yeah. Okay. Luna Lovegood is a Ravenclaw. She's a witch in Ginny's year who's considered a bit weird by her classmates. She comes by this reputation honestly; Luna simply isn't like all the other kids. She dresses unusually, she proclaims her strange beliefs to anyone who will listen, and in some ways she seems to be completely out of touch with what's going on around her. That was from the HP Lexicon.

Luna's Name Connection

Jamie: Why don't we start off with her name? Her name, Luna, obviously has...

Ben: Etymology?

Jamie: ...etymology with the moon. And that begs the question, is she related to Lupin?

Ben: I don't think she's related in the terms of her bloodline, maybe. Not that way. But maybe JK Rowling is trying to say that there's some kind of connection between these two.

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: Maybe in just their personalities.

Ben: Yeah.

Jamie: Well, it could just be that - the moon could just be to perpetuate the Loony Lovegood teasing she receives. It's all moon, moon-like.

Eric: Well, yeah. Peeves called Lupin "Loony, loony Lupin" or whatever in...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Movie Three. And that was obviously, I guess, because he was a werewolf and Peeves knew it or because of his moon significance. I think Luna has different moon significances as in she's always visiting the moon as in she's always in space.

Jamie: Oh, thatís very good! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, so they are both loony - they are both related to the moon for different reasons.

Ben: Right. But they're not related, right?

Eric: Right, right, right. I don't think the Lovegoods...

Ben: Yeah.

Jamie: No, no. I agree. Yeah.

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