MuggleCast 65 Transcript



Show Intro


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[Intro music plays]

Andrew: Because you still haven't ordered 11 more MuggleCast T-shirts thank you Kate, 20, of Florida this is MuggleCast Episode 65, for November 26, 2006.

[Music continues to play]

Jamie: Two men own yachts. One of them puts his yacht on a river of milk. The other man disapproves considerably, and maintains that such a substance could never keep the balance of the boat at optimum efficiency. The second man puts his yacht in a river of coffee. The first man discusses openly his lack of respect for this decision. Again, the two yacht owners voice their contempt for each other. This creates a very tense atmosphere and both men begin having a huge, huge public argument about their differences in terms of yachts. However, one of the men is a lot more accepting and apathetic than the other. In the end, he turns around and says, "Okay, seriously, let's stop arguing. Whatever floats your boat."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh, boy. What a way to...

Ben: Jamie, I know why the fangirls love you so much.

Andrew: Oh, yeah, I know. What a way to start off our 65th ...

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: ...episode of MuggleCast.

Ben: How many?

Andrew: You know 65th.

Ben: We're ready to retire.

Andrew: We could...

Ben: Isn't 65 the retirement age?

Andrew: We're good. Yep, we're done. This is it.

Ben: All right.

Jamie: We're getting our special pensions, soon.

Andrew: We do have a good show for everyone this week. We got a special interview with the creators of the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix videogame.

Ben: By the way who did that? Who's in that interview?

Andrew: Me and [whispers] Kevin.

Ben: You didn't invite me?

Andrew: It's not that I didn't invite you; you weren't around.

Ben: When was it? When did you do it?

Andrew: It was at noon, two weeks ago.

Ben: Thanks. Thanks a lot, dude. Thanks for inviting me.

Andrew: Sorry. Why are you asking now? Why didn't you... [laughs]

Jamie: Ben, surely you realized after he'd recorded it...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: ...that you weren't on it.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: I didn't know when he recorded it.

Andrew: My name is Andrew Sims.

Ben: My name is Benjamin Carl Schoen.

Jamie: My name is Jamie Matthew Lawrence.

Eric: My name is Eric James Matthew Padfoot Scull.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

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News


Micah: Jason Isaacs recently spoke to The Observer about his upcoming projects, and, of course, a little about Harry Potter. He said:

"I spent two weeks having a wand fight with Helena Bonham-Carter (who plays Bellatrix Lestrange) and Gary Oldman (who plays Sirius Black). Potter is a well-oiled machine now, whichever director is in charge, although it's a slow process working with all those special effects. But it's such a laugh five weeks hanging out with Oldman and Maggie Smith (who plays Professor McGonagall) and Michael Gambon (who plays Professor Dumbledore), who's a right mischievous devil."

Speaking of good ole Lucius, Forbes magazine has released a list of the wealthiest fictional characters, and Lucius Malfoy came in at number 12, three places better than last year's number 15 ranking. The site estimates his net worth to be $1.3 billion.

The Guardian is currently running a competition where entrants must guess the title of Book Sven, and the one judged to be the best and most innovative will win a JK Rowling-signed bookplate. The contest will close at midnight on December 6th.

Electronic Arts, maker of the entire Potter video game series, on Tuesday announced a new video game: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! The press release can be checked out over on MuggleNet.com.

HBO on Demand is currently airing a special preview of the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix movie. The preview runs for almost four minutes, and includes tons of new footage, including behind the scenes glimpses at the making of the movie.

Be sure to check MuggleNet.com for other various Order of the Phoenix videos, interviews, and photos, including some of the interior of the Ministry of Magic; Harry and Mr. Weasley attending the disciplinary hearing; the writing on Harry's hand from Umbridge's quill; Azkaban; concept art of Grawp; a Death Eater; and pics from the set of Snape's storage room.

Dan Radcliffe will fly to Melbourne, Australia, for the Australian Film Institute awards. On December 7th, Daniel and some other celebrities will announce the winners in the Melbourne Exhibition Centre, with a national telecast on Channel Nine at 9:30 PM.

Finally, in a very special edition of the Leaky Mug released earlier this week, you can learn the details of how Grimmauld Place will appear in the fifth film, hear about the Potter set in general, and much more from Andrew's special visit to the Order of the Phoenix set.

That's all the news for this November 26, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah.

Micah: You're welcome.



Announcements


Andrew: Micah, you know there's a lot of hot stories this week; Order of the Phoenix...

Micah: There were a lot of hot stories.

Andrew: There were. You want to tell us about them?

Micah: No, absolutely not.

Andrew: Good, because we're actually...

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: ...going to wait until later in the show.

Micah: See I knew that. I knew you were going to say that, so...

Andrew: [laughs] We're going to get we're going to focus...

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: This show is basically about...

Ben: The movie.

Andrew: ...Order of the Phoenix and the inter yeah, the movie in general. We have a couple of rebuttals, of course, but first we do want to talk about some rebuttals. Or, eh, [laughs] announcements. T-shirts. It's coming to an end. I can't even talk about them anymore because I'm just going to cry every time I think about them. January 1st is the last no, December 31st is the last day that we can sell them. January 1st, we have to stop selling the MuggleCast t-shirts forever. So, make sure to purchase your own. I purchased four the other day, because I want to make sure that I stock up. It's like Y2K. Right before the year 2000, everyone was afraid that all the technology was going to stop working, and everyone bought water and stuff just in case...

Ben: This is the same thing. You have to buy...

Andrew: They stocked up on extra food. It's the same thing.

Ben: Yeah, you have to buy a million MuggleCast t-shirts.

Andrew: That's what I'm saying. Exactly. Just in case they never come back, which they won't. [laughs] Also, interesting little competition going on, on Podcast Alley right now. We beat Keith and Girl, and we're right up...

Ben: Wooo!

Andrew: ...there on top with our friends at PotterCast.

Ben: The what?

Jamie: At what, sorry? At what?

Ben: The who?

Andrew: It's this other Harry Potter podcast...

Ben: Oh, I've never heard of them.

Andrew: ...you guys ever hear of this?

Ben: No.

Andrew: So don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. Also, a book. We have a book now?

Ben: We have a book.

Andrew: You guys wrote a book?

Ben: Ladies and Gentlemen, MuggleNet.com's What will happen in Harry Potter 7: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Falls in Love and How the Adventure Finally Ends, by Ben Schoen, Emerson Spartz, Andy Gordon...

Andrew: That's me. Ben ...Gretchen Stull, and Jamie Lawrence.

Jamie: That's me, by the way. Just in case you were wondering

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: It's a very good book. You should go out and buy it. It's in your local retailers now. For those of you in the Chicago area, Emerson and I will be holding an event at the Skokie, Illinois, Barnes and Noble, which is a Chicago suburb. Yeah, go out and see us; we're going to be talking about the book. It might be a good idea to read it so you can ask us questions. You know, quiz us about it before when we get there. Yeah, so come out and see us. It'll be a good old time. We will post more information on the site and yeah, that's about it. Remember you can pre-order at Alivan's, which will help support MuggleCast, the site, everything, so go ahead and do that.

Andrew: So, Ben, as a fan of you, I know that I'm really going to want to do get a picture with you to post on my MySpace and get your autograph. Will you be doing this at this event?

Ben: I guess. I guess I could oblige for you, Andrew.

Andrew: Awww, okay. Awesome...

Jamie: Fifty dollars you said last time, didn't you, Ben?

Ben: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: That's your standard charge.

Andrew: Okay. And then, also, we want to remind everyone that coming up with Episode 70, which will be the show we release on New Year's Eve, I think, will be our MuggleCast Variety Show that is made up of your songs...

Ben: Your Song?

Andrew: Your segments - huh?

Ben: Your Song.

Andrew: Huh? Your Song, the one by Elton John

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Going to have that as the opening

Jamie: Ben, have you ever heard that song before?

Ben: You need me to sing it for you?

Andrew: No we don't.

Ben: No, okay.

Andrew: We don't need that. [laughs] The show will be made up of your song segments your segments that were submitted back a few months ago, back in February, March or April, I think it was, when we had a "Create Your Own MuggleCast Segment" contest. So, we're going to air some of those we never aired. And I have a big announcement, to come along with this announcement.

Ben: He's coming out, folks. He's coming out.

[Ben and Jamie laugh]

Andrew: I, Andrew Sims it really is coming out, in a way.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: I, Andrew Sims...

Jamie: He's pregnant.

Andrew: ...am pregnant. I, Andrew Sims, I am starting my own Wizard Rock Band.

Ben: Yeah, you told me this the other night. I was like, "What are you up to?" And he says, "Starting my own Wizard Rock Band."

Jamie: What's it going to be? "Andrew and the Sims"?

Andrew: I do not know. I don't have a name, yet, for the band. I am working on my first single right now.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: It has a good beat. It's I'll give you a little preview. It's about the podcasts that we do, and I really think it's going to be a really big hit.

Ben: Are you singing, too?

Andrew: Ah, well, it's more of a rap.

[Jamie and Micah laugh]

Jamie: Ummm...

Andrew: So, I'm really excited about it, and it's going to the single is going to make its premiere on Episode 70, our variety show. And I hope everyone enjoys it. You know, there's bands out there like U2 and Elton John and I really think I'm right up there with them. So, we'll see what the response is like. So, if you want to be a part of our Variety Show, please e-mail your song or segment to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. We're looking for MuggleCast remixes fun stuff like that. Try to keep it short like five minutes, or so. Or it could be shorter than that. Two minutes, whatever. So, thanks for that...

Ben: [clears throat] Make it good.



Listener Rebuttal: Nature vs. Nature


Andrew: We have a rebuttal now.

Micah: All right, the first rebuttal comes from Rivah of Cleveland, Ohio. She says:

"It was very brave of you guys to take on the age old question of 'Nature vs. Nurture,' as it relates to the Harry Potter. After several semesters of Philosophy and Philosophy of Religion, I still can't make up my mind. I do, however, think that if there is something innate in our nature, it will come out. Voldemort would most definitely have been troubled maybe even psychotic but his circumstances propensified his evil nature, not to mention the alluring power that magic added to the situation. There are many times he could've turned back and stopped, but his callous disregard for life leads me to believe that, no matter what, he would turn out evil. I have to say Laura was given the short end of the stick this week, with the world being so PC it's hard to find a court case or argument where a person's environment is not brought up as a factor. It is hard to argue that 'black and white', 'good and evil' side of 'Nature vs. Nurture' argument; kudos for doing such a good job, Laura. Jamie, I think, though, just enjoys playing "Devil's Advocate"..."

Jamie: I do, very much.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: "...to any argument. Thank goodness he has the intellect and intelligence..."

Jamie: Wow.

Micah: "...not to mention an amazing accent that are extremely persuasive. Who knew listening to MuggleCast could be entertaining and intellectually stimulating..."

Jamie: Awww.

Micah: "...at the same time?"

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Well, you see, here's the thing, guys: Jamie, actually, I don't think you really weren't playing Devil's Advocate, were you?

Jamie: Well, no. I was playing Devil's I didn't believe all the stuff I was saying, but I do think that you...

[Micah and Andrew laugh]

Jamie: ...can't ignore, you know, nurture.. Oh, and adding one more thing to that, she says that the allure of magic is huge, and it's true. For someone like him, who didn't grow up in a magical environment he thought he was a Muggle the allure is even greater. I mean, if we learn magic now, we'd be drawn to it, more so than if it's just a normal part of your life. So, that's one more thing.

Eric: Well, guys, if...

Jamie: To the rebuttal, there.

Eric: ...if we fail to be entertaining and intellectually stimulating the first 63 times...

Jamie: It's not going to happen, yeah.

Eric: ...we have in Episode 64.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Eric: So, that's good news. I'm happy. So, that's cool.

Andrew: Yeah, we got a lot of mixed feedback about that discussion last week. Some people really, really, really enjoyed it, and some people didn't enjoy it.

Ben: Didn't, yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: But that's the way it goes every week, pretty much. So...

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: You know, we try to mix it up, and we can't talk about...

Jamie: The Forbidden Forest every week.

Andrew: [adopts a funny voice] Horcruxes for the millionth...

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Yeah.

Ben: I think Episode 73 100 should be the Horcrux shows.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Jamie: The Horcrux Series.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Get people so sick of it...

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: ...they'll never even e-mail us about it again. [laughs] Yeah.



Order of the Phoenix Developments


Andrew: Before we get to our interview, we are going to talk about the latest Order of the Phoenix developments, because there have been a lot of them. We talked about the trailer a little bit last week, teaser poster, but at that point we didn't really have it in a good quality version online. Then we have...

Ben: Was it Yahoo who released the high-def version?

Andrew: Yes, they did.

Ben: And so what do you guys think of it? Has anything changed for you, now that you've had a chance to watch the trailer a lot of times?

Jamie: No, it's the same, it's just in higher definition.

[Micah laughs]

Ben: No, I know this. I know this, but there you'll pick more up you'll pick up more on the subtle nuances of things in the trailer...

Andrew: Right.

Ben: ...the more times you see it, which is what I'm saying.

Andrew: Like when I first saw it on YouTube. The picture was kind of dark, and you couldn't make out most of it. But then when you see it in high-def, you see every single shot.

Ben: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.



Eric and Micah's Take on the Trailer


Andrew: And you could see Bellatrix, which was really cool. But, Eric and Micah, you guys weren't on the show last week. What did you guys think of the trailer?

Eric: I liked it. It was completely it was really short. It didn't seem like 57 seconds when I first saw it in the theatre. I...

Andrew: That's because it was 54.

Eric: Okay. Then that...

[Ben and Andrew laugh]

Eric: Okay, that's solved. Okay, so it's 54 seconds.

[Ben and Andrew laugh]

Eric: It didn't seem like that. It flew by really fast. Most of the time was spent on the fading in of the lo sorry, the logo. So, you know, Sirius Black looks nice.

Andrew: Oh.

Eric: I was just wanted to say Sirius Black looks very nice. "Incontrovertible;" that's a new word for Michael Gambon.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: [laughs] That's a like a word that is weird, when he says that...



Michael Gambon


Micah: I have to say, I have never been a fan of Michael Gambon, but he's sort of grown on me since Goblet of Fire.

Ben: Hold on, though.

Micah: So, hopefully he does a better job.

Ben: I have a comment about him in the whole little scene where he says, [imitates Michael Gambon] "Evidence that Lord Voldemort is back is incontrovertible!" I don't know, he just seems too hardcore for me. Like...

Jamie: But Dumbledore is hardcore.

Ben: I think Dumbledore is supposed to be about he's supposed to be stern, you know, but he's not supposed to like, "Aargh!" angry-type Dumbledore. I think he's just supposed to be more of a...

Jamie: No, he is, though. At some points he's supposed to be angry. He's supposed to be...

Ben: Not that angry. I think he's...

Jamie: Of course he is! The power...

Ben: He's supposed to be cool. He's supposed to be cool, calm, and collected. That's Dumbledore.

Eric: Yeah, there's a dignified kind of "I will hurt you" type thing to Dumbledore. To clarify what I was saying earlier, it's not when he says, "I am not weak." Harry there's a scene, it's like 26 minutes in or 26 seconds in. [laughs] Can't remember which.

Ben: You saw a different trailer than I did. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: No, it's the same trailer. Twenty-six seconds in, he's it's right after Dumbledore says, "incontrovertible," and goes to this other scene, kind of panoramic kind of shot of Harry, and he looks like he did in the second Triwizard task with a or something. There's something not right about the lighting of that scene, it just makes him look a little weird, like he doesn't have any hair over his forehead, or anything. It's kind of just a particularly weirdly dressed Harry. The rest of the trailer looks fine.



The Mysterious Frame


Andrew: Micah, what'd you think?

Micah: Overall, I liked it. I agreed with what Jamie said last week, I think, that that whole scene with Snape, either it's going to go terribly, terribly right or terribly, terribly wrong. The shot from it, though, seemed as if they did a good job with it. But, actually, something I had a question about was I paused about 28 seconds in, and it's right after or, actually, right before the whole scene with Harry and Snape, and it looks like Voldemort is shooting something out of his wand, and if you pause it, there's a picture...

[Jamie and Ben laugh]

Micah: ...of a woman in there. [laughs] No, it's really weird, there's a WB shield in the bottom right hand corner.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And there's a picture of a woman, but it's not a real woman, and I don't know where exactly this is being shot.

Andrew: See, I mean... Hmmm. I wish I could see this, but I mean, most of the visual effects aren't done yet.

Jamie: Yeah.



Why O.W.L.s vs. Dobby in the Movie?


Andrew: And like the stuff for the trailer, I'm sure they're going to tweak more. Like, I've said this last week: the pendulum behind Umbridge looks terribly fake. Now here's my thing I thought about this earlier today. The O.W.L.s are obviously in, because of what we see in the trailer. I assume that still means they're in. I mean, they could still cut them. Now, if something like that is in, that doesn't seem like a very big plot that really deserves a spot in the movie, and it seems like Dobby would be a more welcomed plot.

Jamie: Addition?

Andrew: Yeah, rather than the O.W.L.s.

Ben: But the house elves are going to be much more costly.

Jamie: Well, I don't know. It's an expensive thing, the O.W.L.s. They've got to do all that stuff in front of Professor Tofty, and you have to, you know...

Ben: Right, but I doubt it's - but it's not as expensive. When, I think it was Newell, said at the premiere last November, which I was at. [laughs] No, I'm just kidding.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Ben: Newell said at the premiere that what exactly did he say? He said that every time the house elves step on screen, it's literally hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Andrew: Oh, right, yeah.

Ben: So that's probably why. I mean, you know, they only have a $320 million budget. I mean there's...

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. It must be tough.

Ben: They can't...

Micah: [laughs] With Goblet of Fire, you have a whole story line there which includes, was it Winky, at the beginning? And I think they really change the whole storyline around...

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: ...just so she didn't have to be in there.

Jamie: Oh, yeah they did.

Micah: I don't know if adding Dobby in, really, here, would be that much of a big deal for them, whereas before, in Goblet of Fire it would cost quite a lot of money.

Ben: Wasn't Winky, Winky was the whole reason, right?

Eric: Mhm.

Micah: Yeah, and they completely cut her out.

Ben: That's screwed up.

Jamie: But it is expensive.

Andrew: I mean, Kreacher is definitely in it, so they're not completely cutting out house elves.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: It's not like they're you know, that department is shut down for this film. [laughs]

Eric: That was my problem with it is, as I mentioned before, is the tie-ins. The very strict, limited tie-ins between movies that I'd like to see, such as Dobby coming back. Just because, every director's done their own thing, the only thing that's stayed the same is the actors, pretty much. You know? So, I want to see house elves again, because then it would kind of, I don't know, link the films together. I don't know if they're supposed to be linked, but they say Harry Potter One and Harry Potter Two and Year Three in my DVD collection. So, you know?

Andrew: I...[laughs] what?

Micah: What?

Ben: Yeah, that made no sense.

Eric: The DVDs! The movies!

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They - there's no connection between the films. Except for the actors, everything else changes.

Ben: Well, that's because the new director, you know?

Andrew: I mean, they do have to change yeah.

Eric: Well, yeah.

Jamie: That's because it's a different film. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah, that, too.

Eric: Well, I understand, but each book has links back and forth, and they cut out all the ties to previous films. It's like, "Okay, Chris Columbus did the Dobby thing, therefore we can never do the Dobby thing again."

Jamie: Well, actually, if you read, sort of, Prisoner of Azkaban, it'll say like they'll be talking about Quidditch and Jo will say, "Quidditch is a game, you know, played by blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, with blah, blah, blah, balls," stuff like that. And she'll say that in the third book, but then come Book Four, Book Five, and Book Six, she won't offer, sort of, you know, previous bits of information to refresh your memory. I think she's just assuming that after you get that far, you're not going to need to remember what Quidditch is and stuff like that.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, she still makes a couple references.

Jamie: Oh, yeah, she does.

Ben: She does do some refreshing a bit, like in the early chapters especially.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.



HBO On Demand: Umbridge


Ben: Now, what about the HBO on Demand? That thing was pretty cool.

Andrew: That was intense.

Jamie: Yeah, that was very good.

Ben: What are your guys' thoughts on it?

Andrew: It was what was that, like three minutes long? It was a good three-minute look at behind-the-scenes filming, and some interviews with the actors. I really liked it. People, the fans loved it.

Jamie: Imelda Staunton's acting, as well, it was cringe-worthy in a good way. It was, you know, exactly how Umbridge is supposed to act, I think. The sweet...

Ben: She's not fat enough.

Jamie: No, no, you're right. She isn't. But the sort of sweetness and disgusting, you know, pleasure in her voice came out.

Ben: Mix.

Jamie: Yeah, it's awfully good, basically.

Eric: Bittersweet.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: I definitely think she did a good job.



HBO On Demand: Dan's Portrayal as a Leader


Ben: But something that kind of irked me was - it didn't really irk me - but, to me, Dan Radcliffe, I mean, he does a good job as Harry, but he just doesn't seem to personify what a leader is. You know what I mean?

[Eric laughs]

Ben: He doesn't seem to, like, I couldn't see him leading a bunch of his peers. Daniel Radcliffe, I know Harry can. But I couldn't see Daniel Radcliffe really get into that role. I don't know. What about you, what do you guys think?

Andrew: Are you referring to something in the HBO video?

Ben: Yeah. When he was...

Andrew: When he was teaching Neville?

Ben: They start talking about him. They start talking about him teaching. You know?

Andrew: Yeah, and there is...

Ben: I was just thinking about how they're going to do that because he doesn't seem like the leader type.

Eric: Are you saying he is kind of like a one-sided actor where is better at portraying the whole "everybody hates me" kind of Harry?

Ben: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: As opposed to the - yeah. I kind of see where you come up with that.

Ben: So, I just don't know how well he is going to be able to portray the "go get 'em" Harry.

Eric: If he does it in a defiant kind of way, like as seen in the trailer where he's like, "Voldemort is trying to get me, I must stop him." If he portrays it kind of like in Chamber of Secrets, the trailer, when Lucius Malfoy says that thing about Harry always being around to save the day, he says, "Don't worry. I will be."

Ben: Kind of a lame line, but yeah. [laughs]

Eric: That kind of defiant kind of thing. [laughs] He's kind of got that going for him. I think we just have to see more.

Ben: I don't know. In the trailer, part of it seems sort of lame. When he says, [does Harry impression] "If Voldemort's organizing an army, let's fight" or whatever. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. "Let's fight." That's what I was talking about. He says, "Let's fight" and...

Ben: Well, I don't know. I was just thinking like, occasionally it seems like every movie, it seems, like, they give him a line that is just completely ridiculous and totally lame. Like in Goblet of Fire it was, [Harry impression] "I love magic." You know? [laughs]

Eric: No! That was not a ridiculous line. That was a great line.

Micah: Yes it was.

Jamie: Indeed. It was atrocious.

Andrew: Wait, he says what? "I love magic?"

Micah: When he walks into the tent...

Ben: When he walks into the tent and sees how big it is.

Jamie: Atrocious.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Ben: He says, [Harry impression] "I love magic."

Andrew: Yeah. Do you Harry? Do you?

Jamie: How many buckets did you guys use after that?

Ben: [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: It was atrocious.

Andrew: Yeah. But that stood out for me in this HBO special where he's showing Neville how to cast some spell. He just seemed - it stood out because it just seemed different for him. It didn't seem like his normal portrayal of Harry.

Jamie: But it is different, of course. Him leading is a new thing for him.

Andrew: Oh it is.

Jamie: He couldn't believe it when they wanted him to teach them, so it's like - and it says in the book that he is - that it was extremely weird to see people doing what he says and following his orders. So, it's kind of good if Dan isn't really too sure how to portray him...

Ben: I guess so.

Jamie: ...because it goes into the character, which is a good thing.

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