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[Intro music plays]
Andrew: Because if I werenít listening to MuggleCast, Iíd actually be getting paid to do my job. Thank you, Melissa Reid, 26, of Moore, Oklahoma. This is MuggleCast Episode 66, for December 3rd, 2006.
[Music continues to play]
Andrew: Guys, girls, and Micah, I am absolutely infuriated...
Kevin: Are you?
Andrew: ...this week.
Laura: And why is that?
Andrew: I canít even talk about it.
Kevin: Youíre so angry?
Andrew: WB is cheap. That is my Ė that is what Iím saying. I think WB is cheap. Anyone else agree?
Eric: Well, we already knew that, Andrew.
Kevin: I agree, definitely.
Eric: We already...
Andrew: Laura, you agree?
Eric: I donít know.
Laura: I would say regarding some evidence that weíve been sent, that, yeah.
Kevin: I think theyíre trying to pull a fast one.
Eric: I donít think WBís cheap, itís just that WB is a corporation, and thatís what some of you have been saying. They do as corporations do; they recycle footage. Say, if it were movie Ė Goblet of Fire movie footage in an Order of the Phoenix trailer, they can do that. They do that.
Andrew: Way to spoil it for everyone, Eric.
Andrew: Everyone was going to have to wait until after the news.
Andrew: Teaser is no longer a teaser. Eric. Oh no. Okay.
Andrew: Iím infuriated, I canít go on. I quit my wizard rock band, I quit the pickles catch phrase. Iím done.
Eric: The pickles catch phrase, not the pickles catch phrase, Andrew.
Andrew: All right, I like doing that, I admit that. Pickle, pickle, pickle, pickle...
Andrew: ...pickle, pickle, pickle.
Eric: That made it into the Caption Contest this week, Andrew.
Andrew: I am Andrew Sims. Oh, Iím very glad.
Kevin: I am Kevin Steck.
Eric: I am Eric Scull.
Laura: Iím Laura Thompson.
Micah: And Iím Micah Tannenbaum.
[Music continues to play]
Micah: Throughout this weekend's presentation of Harry Potter Weekend on ABC Family, new previews of Order of the Phoenix have been airing. Fourteen high-quality clips can be seen on MuggleNet.com, as well as descriptions of each video. The clips feature interviews with the cast as well as some amazing new shots from the film. Don't forget to check out the world premiere of the extended version of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban tonight at 8 p.m. on ABC Family.
Jason Isaacs and his character Lucius Malfoy have made The San Francisco Chronicle's list of the Sexiest Men Never Alive. This is Lucius' second honor recently as he was also on the Forbes list of richest fictional characters.
And for the first time in five years, JK Rowling has won a literary prize in her own country. In a poll of 3,000 schoolchildren, aged 8 to 12, Half-Blood Prince was voted the best Scottish children's book. Jo was unable to attend the awards ceremony, but did pass along a message, containing news of progress on the seventh Harry Potter book.
Warner Bros. has tentatively announced that starting in 2007, fans will be able to not only legally download movies but also burn them to DVD from the Internet the same day they become available in stores. This will include the Harry Potter films as well, so fans can look forward to watching Order of the Phoenix on their computers.
Information about the Australian version of the Order of the Phoenix trailer has been released by the government's Office of Film and Literature Classification. They list the trailer as being two minutes long - which is longer than the American version - and the international trailer should be released within the next month.
Finally, Forbes released an article this week about the controversial burning of the Harry Potter books. The series has often been the target of many Christian fundamentalists who claim that "Rowling has a world platform." Over the past five years, half a dozen book burnings have been planned, their organizers claiming that the books, as well as Potter fan sites, promote witchcraft. Ray Bradbury, author of Fahrenheit 451, defended the books, saying, "There's nothing wrong with the Potter books, because they're not promoting witchcraft. They're promoting being wise." Thatís right, you tell them, Ray! That's all the news for this December 3rd, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.
Andrew: All right, well, thank you Micah.
Micah: [pauses then laughs] I was trying to think of something creative to say and it just didnít happen.
Andrew: Leave the creativity up to me, please. Thank you.
Eric: Whatís this conspiracy now?
Andrew: Ummm, well, Micah, would you like to explain to everyone what weíre all upset about?
Eric: Yeah, Micah, whatís bugging you?
Micah: Well, actually thanks to Valerie, 16, of Colorado because she did a really good thing. She sent us in an e-mail, here, after I mentioned on last weekís show that when I paused the trailer, I think it was around 28 seconds, thereís this weird womanís face in the bottom right-hand corner, but that wasnít really the only thing. We found out that that was Bellatrix. However...
Andrew: Great, wonderful.
Micah: However, the clip is from Goblet of Fire and itís in the Order of the Phoenix trailer.
Micah: Whatís up with that?
Andrew: No wonder it made me want to go see Goblet of Fire again.
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Eric: Wait a minute now, now... [Laughs]
Laura: Youíre on notice, WB, Iím telling you.
Eric: Letís clarify. Bellatrix, the whole Bellatrix face thing and all that, that is not in Goblet of Fire, but the scene that itís overlaying, the scene that that whole womanís face is overlaying is actually part of the graveyard scene in Goblet of Fire, showing Voldemort apparently casting a spell. But you can clearly make out in the right-hand side the statue Ė the gravestone of the graveyard of Goblet of Fire.
Andrew: Well, not just that, you see Voldemort and heís in the exact same position...
Eric: Oh yeah.
Andrew: Same exact face, same exact background, everythingís the same.
Eric: Same exact clothing, I mean, who doesnít change their clothes? Yuck
Andrew: It is extremely amusing that that Ė they took a clip from Goblet of Fire to insert into the Order of the Phoenix teaser trailer, but this just answers the fact that none of the special effects are done yet.
Andrew: So, they have to take from what is done. And whatís done? Goblet of Fire. Thatís it. [laughs]
Eric: I donít think that Goblet of Fire is done, I think theyíre going to come out with an extended edition.
Eric: I heard WB was in talks with George Lucas. Now, Kevin Steck, now that weíve uncovered the dilemma, Andrew has one theory, what do you think is going on with this whole footage reuses...
Eric: The fiasco, this recycling fiasco.
Kevin: They needed filler.
Eric: They needed filler? I agree with that
Kevin: Totally needed filler.
Eric: I donít necessarily, I donít necessarily believe that not Ė like, no effects are done, but I think simply that Warner Brothers was not ready to show us the new Voldemort. So, in order to...
Micah: They needed 50...
Micah: Sorry, they needed filler for the 50 seconds.
Laura: ...theyíve released like posters already...
Micah: I mean, come on.
Micah: Thatís ridiculous.
Andrew: Just cut the trailer down to 45 seconds, then you wonít have to add anything.
Eric: It actually is 47, some of them were 47 and incorrectly labeled as 57.
Kevin: And it is labeled a teaser.
Laura: Itís not exactly a teaser.
Andrew: Itís weird. I got a weird desire to watch the Goblet of Fire film right after that.
Eric: Now you know why.
Andrew: Now I know why.
Eric: Because itís...
Andrew: I saw that, yeah.
Andrew: There was also Ė I also had a weird desire to drink Coke right after I saw that. Anyone else feel that too?
Eric: Thatís because of that voice. If you turn your speakers up loud enough, you can actually make out, it says, "Drink more Pepsi."
Andrew: Oh. [laughs]
Andrew: That would not explain why I wanted to drink Coke.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Eric: No, no, no. But the Coke one is on a higher frequency, Kevin can explain it.
Kevin: No, you have to play it in reverse.
Andrew: Well, weíre getting too nerdy here.
Eric: Pepsi backwards is Coke.
Andrew: Letís get back on track. This is pretty amusing, and whatís even more amusing is that nobody picked up on this until a couple of the MuggleCast listeners did. So...
Eric: Yeah, so...
Andrew: Good work!
Eric: ...this new Order of the Phoenix teaser actually has some Goblet footage forwarded.
Andrew: Now, with that said, Harry does revisit the graveyard in his dreams in the opening chapter of Order of the Phoenix, but this still does not really explain why they would reuse a clip from Goblet of Fire.
Eric: I donít think itís necessarily a travesty. I mean, we all knew that the opening part of the...
Micah: Itís cheap.
Eric: ...trailer. Well, itís kind of cheap.
Andrew: I wouldnít say itís cheap [Laughs] I mean.
Eric: Well, the opening part of the trailer is from Chamber of Secrets, you know, when the...
Andrew: No, no, wait a minute, hold up for a second...
Eric: When the Warner Brothers thing came up, that is so from Chamber of Secrets.
Andrew: There is no proof that that is a direct copy.
Eric: It is a direct copy.
Andrew: Itís not like they open up their video editor and they took the little clip they opened up the Chamber of Secrets file from the WB archives...
Eric: They did.
Andrew: ...copied and pasted. I donít believe that.
Laura: And the Chamber of Secrets one, it wasnít even nighttime when it started, it was evening. So...
Eric: Itís not nighttime in this trailer.
Laura: Yeah, it is.
Eric: What low quality version are you watching?
Laura: No, okay, whenever...
Eric: Itís a - the sky is pink and blue.
Laura: No, itís not.
Eric: The sky is Easter-colored, just like in Chamber of Secrets.
Laura: ...Whenever they go through the clouds, itís nighttime.
Eric: Itís not nighttime.
Andrew: It is pink above Ė anyway, we donít need to debate. Thatís just silly.
Eric: Well, they ripped off Chamber of Secrets - no, well, put it this way. What was it? One of the trailers used the scene where Harry finds out that, "Youíre a wizard, Harry," when it shows him in Ollivanderís. I thought another trailer like Chamber of Secrets or something did that.
Laura: Yeah, but that was a little different because it was the second year and they were kind of doing a recap.
Eric: A recap. Well, whatís to say they canít do...
Laura: This is not a recap. This is... It almost...
Eric: This is making you think you see something new when you donít?
Andrew: It would make sense like if it said...
Kevin: If it had some dialogue.
Andrew: If Sirius was like - yeah.
Eric: "Fourteen years ago, Voldemort..."
Andrew: "Last year..."
Laura: Yeah, exactly...
Andrew: "Voldemort cast a spell on Harry," and the other thing is that itís only fifteen frames. I mean, so, you know, weíre not going to sit here and criticize WB. I was kidding when I said that - we were kidding when we say WB is cheap.
Eric: Yeah, absolutely kidding.
Andrew: What was I going to say?
Micah: Notice how I didnít say anything.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: This reminds me of, I guess it was about a year ago, when someone found out, and I think they actually e-mailed this to MuggleNet, that Dobby was in Goblet of Fire for, like, half a second. When they were...
Kevin: Oh, I remember that...
Andrew: ...he and another house-elf, yeah, were riding on the backs of camels. And....
Eric: [laughs] What?! [laughs again]
Andrew: They were all excited. Yeah, you didnít see it?
Kevin: Yeah, it was...
Andrew: It was during the Tri-Wizard Tournament.
Kevin: ...a really big deal. Like, everyone got...
Andrew: Yeah, like everyone was all excited. It was like, "Oh my God, Dobby is back!"
Eric: What, are you serious?
Micah: And you spent so much time. I remember that. You spent so much time putting that clip together and then somehow, it got taken down.
Andrew: Yeah, the post got deleted. Yeah, because that was when our news was just funky. But, yeah, so it got - someone caught it, but this was like, a few months after the film was released, so, in a way, this doesnít surprise me [laughs] that nobody caught this because not everybody is going frame by frame and analyzing all of this.
Eric: Wait, so he was actually in the movie?
Andrew: Yeah, Dobby, heís in there for, like, two seconds...
Eric: Oh my gosh.
Andrew: It goes by. The camera is going one way and the camels are going the other way
Eric: Thatís like, in Star Wars, the aliens from E.T. are in the Senate. Itís kind of funny.
Kevin: Yeah, they do that as, like, "Easter Eggs."
Eric: "Easter Eggs," yeah. Different things like that. I donít know
Andrew: Thatís the big revelation of the week.
Eric: But didnít that guy say that it cost, like, $150,000 every time Dobby sets foot on stage?
Kevin: Yeah, but...
Andrew: We talked about that on last weekís show.
Kevin: Yeah, he meant close-ups thought.
Eric: That camel back thing was just...
Kevin: This was so brief that it probably cost them no time at all.
Eric: At least a hundred grand?
Kevin: And it wasnít in the fore- you know...
Eric: At least five grand, whatever
Kevin: ...It was in the background, so.
Andrew: You know whatís not going to cost $10,000 every second?
Micah: But make you feel like a hundred thousand bucks.
Andrew: Oh, Micah. Oh, that was perfect.
Eric: That was great.
Andrew: Your very own MuggleCast t-shirt. On sale now, only for a limited time.
Eric: And we actually mean that. It's not like the Disney Vault.
Andrew: As weíve said multiple times now, MuggleCast T-Shirts are going out of sale starting December 31st, so pick up yours today. Many are being purchased. I bought four of my own, as I mentioned, because I am stocking up. I hope everyone else is stocking up. Itís like squirrels in the wintertime; right before winter, what do they do?
Laura: Except winter is not going to end in this case.
Eric: They freeze to death? [laughs]
Andrew: Well, they freeze to death, but they stock up on nuts. Squirrels stock up on nuts so - when they go in to hibernate. This is, like, youíre hibernating.
Kevin: Oh, okay. So you want people to wear multiple layers of MuggleNet t-shirts - MuggleCast t-shirts so they are warm for the winter, right?
Andrew: Yes, they are being purchased by squirrels. There was one addressed to "My house, but the tree in the backyard." [Eric laughs]
Andrew: So I didnít understand that, but I guess it was a squirrel.
Kevin: Thatís cute, Andrew.
Andrew: Yeah, but, [laughs] moving along. Donít forget itís a new month, so vote for us on Podcast Alley for the month of December. We need your vote to help kick out Keith and the Girl from the number one spot
Andrew: I like messing with them so that their fans come after us, although their fans havenít yet, but now that Iíve challenged them...
Eric: Oh, itís on, baby, its on.
Andrew: They canít beat us.
Eric: I feel bad for the girl.
Eric: She doesnít even get named on the podcast and now her fans are being stolen.
Andrew: I just like the sell of it all. Keith and the Girl. Whoís the girl? I donít know.
Now hereís an announcement that weíre going to have to wing this week because Ben and Jamie are not here. Little update on them, Jamie Ė itís past his bedtime. Weíre recording past his bedtime. Despite the fact heís on AIM.
[Andrew, Eric and Laura laugh]
Andrew: And Ben is at a - some knowledge bowl? Or something intelligent...
Andrew: ...that I would never be invited to, but they would like us to remind you that MuggleNetís What Will Happen in Harry Potter 7: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Who Falls in Love and How the Adventure Finally Ends is now on your local bookstore shelf pr bookshelf.
Kevin: Or you can message me and I can give you the PDF version.
Andrew: Iím messaging you right now.
[Andrew and Kevin laughs]
Eric: Kevin, whatís...
Andrew: Youíre going to distribute that...
Andrew: ...on all the websites, arenít you? I figured you would.
Eric: "Author: Kevin Steck." [laughs]
Kevin: Yeah, cut their profits in two.
Andrew: The book is written by Emerson, Ben, Jamie, Andy G, and Gretchen, who works on the Encyclopedia.
Kevin: But we donít talk about Gretchen.
Andrew: Yeah, and I have actually a confession to make. I am actually not Andy G. I know Iíve been saying thatís my penname for a while, but the reason Iím revealing it this week is because...
Eric: Andy G. threatened to sue you.
Andrew: Well, that. Thatís true.
Andrew: And Ben and Jamie arenít here this week so I can actually announce something that I donít want them finding out about. I am actually working on a sequel to this book.
Eric: What Might Happen Later than Harry Potter 7?
Andrew: Well, Iím glad you asked for the title. Itís actually going to be called MuggleNet.comís What Will Happen in Harry Potter 7... [laughs] Hold on a second.
Andrew: Itís actually called...
Eric: "Who comes back to life..."
Andrew: No. [laughs]
Eric: "Who might not have died to begin with..."
Eric: "...and which relationships last?"
Andrew: Itís actually called MuggleNet.comís [laughs] What...
Eric: That was good.
Andrew: ...Will Happen In Harry Potter 7: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Falls in Love and How Harry Will Finally Discover the Internet and I have struck up a few theories and I think it's going to be a big-selling book.
Eric: Or you could just contribute to MuggleNet's editorials, you know? I'm sure they'd love to have you.
Andrew: No, I want to be a published author.
Eric: Oh, okay.
Andrew: And I don't want to pretend like Andy G is my penname.
Eric: That's what it's all about.
Andrew: So, it's a sequel and I ask that nobody tells Jamie and Ben about this via e-mail, so please keep this a secret from them and it'll be in bookshelves, I guess, a few months from now.
Micah: That's fine, because neither of them actually listen to the show, so you're safe.
Andrew: If anyone wants to help me write it, just let me know. A co-host.
Eric: Yeah, I'll write something.
Andrew: Okay. All right. All right, cool.
Eric: It'll be the other half of MuggleCast that didn't get on the first time.
Andrew: All right, I will talk to you about that later. And we'd also like to remind everyone, MuggleCast Episode 70 - 70 is going to be our variety show that is made up of your segments and your filks, whatever you want. Just send them in to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. We're looking, of course, for stuff like MuggleCast remixes, stuff like that. We've been getting a few submissions and they're all pretty entertaining, and we want to share them with the rest of you. And that is also going to be our New Year's show, when we won't be around to record our regular show.
Andrew: Now, the real reason everyone is looking forward to MuggleCast 70, because - is because that is when I will premiere my first Wizard Rock single.
Eric: I'm so excited.
Andrew: It's nameless for now. I'm still working on a name.
Andrew: Actually, I have a little update. Anyone care to hear this?
Eric: Not really, but go ahead.
Laura: Go right on ahead. [laughs]
Andrew: All right, it's just a little update. It's not like it's going to take up your time.
Eric: Too late.
Andrew: I've got to admit, I'm - I've got to be honest, I actually hit a little writer's block. I know this happens to JK Rowling, it's happening to me now.
[Eric and Laura laugh]
Andrew: Now I know how she feels. Yeah, the first - the first night that I came up with the idea to write this, I was throwing out lyrics left and right, I had it all down. And now I'm having a hard time coming up with new lyrics, but I think I'll have that done within the next few weeks. And right now, I'm actually looking for - I'm looking for venues to start playing some live gigs. And Micah, you live up in the New York City area. I'm thinking Madison Square Garden?
Andrew: Do you think that would hold our...
Micah: You've heard of that place?
Andrew: ...listening audience? Yeah.
Andrew: Now, how many seats does that place have?
Kevin: I was thinking more the Port Authority.
Andrew: No, I'm actually...
Eric: Can you imagine...
Micah: Yeah, you can open your guitar case and people walk by and throw you some spare change.
Andrew: I'm serious about this. Micah, how many seats does...
Micah: Wow, I'm going to get...
Andrew: ...Madison Square Garden have? Just ballpark.
Micah: I want to say probably 20-25,000.
Andrew: All right, that is going to be a problem...
Micah: It's a very small venue.
Andrew: ...because we have about two million listeners.
Andrew: This is going to be an issue. We're going to have to look into a bigger place.
Laura: They just have to stand, you know, outside.
Andrew: Ah, good point.
Laura: You know, way, way back. You can put up big screens.
Micah: Yeah, you know what they can do? There's a TV above Penn Station.
Micah: They can broadcast you live up there.
Laura: There you go.
Andrew: Oooh, okay.
Eric: Can you imagine the mosh pit? For Andrew?
Andrew: I don't think Penn Station can hold the amount of listeners we have either.
Micah: No, but they'll be outside and they can watch you on the TV on top.
Andrew: But we have - all right, all right.
Eric: Andrew, trust me.
Andrew: All right, I think we can do that.
Eric: If they show up to do the New Year's with, you know, Dick Clark, I'm pretty sure that they...
Andrew: [sighs] All right, okay. I'm just - you know, we have a big audience. I just don't want to, you know, leave anyone out.
Micah: Here, I found it. It holds 18 for hockey and 19 for basketball. So...
Andrew: That is - that is actually really small. [laughs]
Andrew: Wow. Hmmm. Okay, we're going to have to find somewhere...
Micah: You need a bigger venue.
Andrew: Yeah, we're going to have to find somewhere else.
Micah: How about the Meadowlands - in Giants Stadium?
Kevin: Oh, yeah.
Micah: There you go.
Kevin: There you go.
Andrew: I like that.
Micah: Now you're talking like...
Andrew: Good thinking, Micah.
Micah: ...like 75,000 thousand, at least.
Andrew: And we also have a new announcement, everyone, that we will keep bugging you about up until mid-July. MuggleCast will be at Enlightening 2007, which is a conference similar to Prophecy 2007 and Lumos 2006. We announced this earlier this week, along with the Wizard Rock band Moaning Myrtles, and I'm actually hoping to open for them. I've got to let them know, you know, about my new Wizard Rock band. Maybe they'll let me open for them. But anyway, the point is we will be doing a live podcast from Enlightening 2007. Me, Ben, and Jamie are definitely signed on. No word yet on the other co-hosts. Eric, you're going to be in New Zealand?
Eric: Yeah, but I might come home depending on - I'm going to go to Prophecy, so I don't know...
Eric: ...when I'm coming in for that.
Andrew: It's, like, three weeks before Prophecy.
Eric: Yeah, so I don't know, depending on school.
Andrew: All right. Micah, Laura, and Kevin are still undetermined. Ben, Jamie, and I are actually going to be in - we're going to be here chilling in South Jersey, so it's going to happen to work out. But we're also going to be teaching a workshop on podcasting. It's going to be four like, hour-long sessions - probably, this is all very still in the works. [laughs] But we're going to be teaching a workshop on podcasting, so if you want to learn more about podcasting, maybe how to start your own, we're going through everything. We encourage you to come to Enlightening 2007. Also, they're going to have some seminars. They've got a lot of great stuff planned. Just go to light...Enlightening07 dot...
Oh, no, no, it's Enlightening2007.org, and you can sign up. It's going to be in Philadelphia and it's going to be a lot of fun. So, that is...where are the dates? July 12th to the 15th, 2007 at the University of Pennsylvania, and we're looking forward to it a lot. So, sign up right away and actually, we're going to be doing the live podcast at Enlightening the night of Order of the Phoenix's United States release, so there's going to be a lot of excitement going on that night.
Eric: Andrew, you, maybe...
Andrew: We're going to be talking about the film.
Eric: ...you can open for the live podcast.
Andrew: Yeah. That would be like Bono opening for U2, though.
[Eric and Kevin laugh]
Andrew: Doesn't make sense.
Eric: Well, or you could just break out in song in the middle of the podcast. I don't know.
Andrew: That's true, that's true.
Eric: Just a few ideas to play out with, I mean, you know?
Andrew: I don't know, I might get stage fright. I'm not sure. I don't know how this Wizard Rock band is going to work out.
Eric: Stage fright? Oh
Andrew: Yeah, I'm not sure yet.
Andrew: And, as we've been promising for the past few weeks, Episode 66, this is our all voicemail show! Yaaayyy!
Eric: Wooo! Except half of it was talk.
Kevin: [laughs] Yeah, no kidding.
Andrew: We're hitting up the phone lines - yeah. We're hitting up the phone - it was just me ranting. We're hitting up the phone lines tonight with lots of voicemail questions from you guys. Let's get started. Let's get this party started.
[Audio]: Hi guys, my name is Nick from Illinois and you guys mentioned a couple of shows ago that Ginny can hear the voices beyond the veil, but she would have to see someone die, and we don't know if she's seen anyone die so far, but do you think that she could have seen Moaning Myrtle die through Tom Riddle's diary? Thanks, I love the show! Bye!
Andrew: Does Nick mean see Moaning Myrtle like when she went into the actual diary?
Laura: Well, I think that that would be the only way that it would've worked, and I'm not sure Ginny did go into the diary. Did she?
Kevin: Not to mention, how plausible is it that she saw someone die through a diary that she thought was actually good?
Laura: Well, the only this is, Nick told Harry or, not Nick [laughs]...
Andrew: [laughs] The voicemail caller told Harry?
Laura: [still laughing] No.
Andrew: I didn't know that they talked.
Laura: I got confused. No, Tom Riddle told Harry that he got Ginny to trust him by showing her things, but he wasn't terribly specific about what exactly it was he showed her, or if he just, you know, kind of let her read his diary or whatever. I don't know if he actually took her into that and showed her things, though.
Andrew: Well, I would think that that would definitely gain her trust, showing how Moaning Myrtle died, because - sorry, Eric's calling. Because I'm sure she was really curious about that. So if Tom was like, "Alright, you want me to show you her death?" and she saw it.
Laura: But - but then wouldn't she have known that he was the one that killed her? And why would - why would you trust someone like that?
Eric: Well, actually, he was.
Kevin: Yeah, and would he have...
Eric: Yeah, because when Moaning Myrtle recounts this - the tale of her death, she said she hears or she heard, a boy's voice...
Laura: Yeah, it was, but...
Eric: ...in the bathroom, like calling up - because he opened the [phone rings] sorry, phone.
Laura: No, but he would probably...
Eric: Sorry, phone. Because he opened the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, and apparently like right then and there - like when Moaning Myrtle poked her head out to see, you know, to tell the boy to get out of the girls bathroom, that the basilisk came and she saw the...
Eric: ...eyes. So, technically...
Kevin: But then again, would - why would that instill trust in Tom Riddle by showing that?
Eric: No, I don't necessarily think that.
Laura: Unless, I mean...
Laura: Unless he showed it to her from the point of view that he wasn't there. You know?
Eric: I don't think...
Laura: I mean, Tom Riddle was obviously a very powerful wizard. If he wanted to show her something...
Kevin: I would think it was sort of a long stretch though.
Kevin: When you see, you know? There's war videos when you see - technically, you're seeing people die. But you don't - it's not the same as being there.
Laura: Yeah. I think the only way it could have worked would be if Tom had taken Ginny into his diary the same way Harry went into his diary. And I'm not sure that's what happened.
Kevin: But even then, does it have the same impact?
Eric: Well, no. What I'm thinking is that he wouldn't - I don't think he even would show her when he killed Moaning Myrtle, you know? That wouldn't instill trust or anything. I just think it's a matter of Voldemort shares a part of himself with Harry, that's why Harry can speak Parseltongue, because some of his powers transferred. I think in the possession of Ginny some certain aspects like the ability to see Thestrals or hear voices or any of that sort, Voldemort has certainly seen death. So, why can it not just be like that vague connection that Voldemort shared with Ginny that allows her to hear the voices? Instead of this whole, "Oh, he showed her someone dying, and therefore she knows what it's like." Why can't it just be the connection that Voldemort shared with her? Maybe anybody Voldemort possesses, at any point, would therefore be able to see Thestrals and hear voices because of Voldemort's strict connection with death.
Kevin: Did we even establish that the Veil was related directly to death?
Andrew: Well, no. What we were talking about in, like, a couple weeks ago was that maybe it's a near death that lets you hear the voices beyond the Veil. Wasn't it?
Kevin: Yeah, that's what I thought we had said. But in that case, then, just the whole fact of Ginny's experience in Chamber of Secrets...
Eric: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's true, because...
Laura: Yeah. I think...
Kevin: ...could account for that.
Eric: Oh, yeah.
Laura: I think Eric brings up a good point, because if you'll remember Riddle said something about like how he would pour a little bit of his soul back into Ginny to keep her alive long enough to carry out his plan and stuff.
Eric: Or something like that.
Laura: Yeah. What if there is something there? I mean, obviously...
Eric: Well, what Kevin said.
Eric: Yeah. Kevin was quick to point out, too - Nick said, "Who has Ginny seen die?" But Ginny herself was in a near death experience. I think we sometimes seem to forget that she was lying on a floor for, you know, on a chamber floor, on a cold, wet chamber floor dying, near death as her energy, her life force, was being sucked out of her. I mean, that's a near death experience if there ever was one. So, Ginny is very well qualified to see these things and hear these things. Just because of that.
Micah: I don't know. I kind of relate it back to Harry and the whole idea of Thestrals with, why didn't he see it before if he was - he experienced death at such a young age? And it said because at that point he didn't really understand what it was. I don't necessarily know that if Ginny was in a trance and she really knew what was going on.
Kevin: Yeah, that's a good point.
Micah: And she would remember anything that would allow her to recall the death, if she even experienced it in the first place.
Eric: Well, whether or not she knows what's going on, Voldemort knew what was going on when he did it, and he was just showing her his perspective, his whole - I think if you touch Voldemort, if you stand in Voldemort's presence, I think something happens to you where death is just all around you. I mean, that's a sign of his evil. That's the kind of thing I'm imagining. Maybe it's far-fetched.
Micah: How come Tom Riddle didn't die from the basilisk?
Eric: Well, maybe he...
Laura: Because he controlled it.
Eric: [laughs] Because then there would be no Harry Potter series.
Micah: So, what if Harry started speaking Parseltongue? Would the snake listen to him?
Eric: Well, it did almost.
Andrew: Probably not.
Eric: Well, didn't it? It was either in the movie or in the movie and the book, where Tom Riddle made it only listen to him instead of like...
Laura: I know that was definitely in the movie. I can't remember if that was in the book.
Eric: It was definitely in the movie, because Christian Coulson said that, "It only obeys me now." But, you know, something like that. Technically Harry could speak Parseltongue, and that's how Harry can understand it later. I think it - I can just see Harry using Parseltongue to infiltrate Voldemort's lair in Book Seven or something like that, using it further. But I thought it was cool that Harry had to pretend that the sink faucet was a real snake and said, "Open," and that it worked, and he kept saying, "Open," to the various doors. That kind of stuff, that kind of stuff is cool, but almost underplayed; but we kind of know it's there. So I think it's going to play a bigger part later. All these...
Andrew: Back to the original question.
Eric: Yeah, back to the original question.
Eric: All these connections with Voldemort, I just think the fact that Ginny was connected or that she had that near death experience.
Eric: It doesn't necessarily mean one of her aunts or uncles - that reminds me! Molly's brothers, Gideon and Fabian Prewett, died and maybe through seeing Molly's woes, you know, mother-daughter kind of thing, maybe Molly talked about them to her, I don't know.
Kevin: I think it was... I think it still...
Andrew: I think it has to do with the Chamber of Secrets.
Andrew: That situation was just too...
Eric: Well, if your mother is as overbearing as Molly is, too, I'm pretty sure you get a good enough idea of what she is talking about. Like if she says, "Look out for this," you really have to find out what "this" is.
Andrew: Alright, next voicemail. I honestly thought that question was going to take us like five seconds to answer.
Eric: Yeah, I thought so, too.
Laura: [laughs] Me, too. I did, too.
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