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Andrew: Because there are 214 days to kill until Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, thank you, Zoe, 17, of England, this is MuggleCast Episode 67 for December 10th, 2006.

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Andrew: I am very concerned about Eric this week.

Jamie: Me, too.

Kevin and Laura: Why is that?

Andrew: He was scheduled to be on the show this week, and we cannot find him.

Kevin: Yet.

Jamie: He's gone AWOL.

Andrew: I even drove to his house - it's about an-hour-and-a half from here. I drove there and he wasn't there.

Jamie: Wait, Andrew, wait. So, he was supposed to turn up an hour and 50 minutes ago, you drove there and it takes an hour and a half, and you're back already? That is very impressive.

Andrew: Well, you see, I have a Time-Turner.

Jamie: Oh, damn. Yes, you do.

Andrew: Yeah, remember...

Kevin: Really?

Andrew: ...for Halloween I was Harry Potter?

Kevin: Can you tell us how it works?

Andrew: I don't know...

Kevin: No?

Andrew: ...the parallel universe.

Jamie: Kevin, Kevin, it's quite a complicated premise. You turn it and you go back in time.

[Andrew laughs]

Kevin: Oh, really?

Andrew: It's crazy.

Kevin: Is that what it does?

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: Whoa!

Jamie: Bit of a surprise, eh?

Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.

Laura: And I'm Laura Thompson.

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Micah: David Yates, director of the fifth Harry Potter film, spoke in a new interview about what direction he's putting the movie in. Yates's prestige has increased in the UK after producing hits such as Sex Traffic and The Girl in the Cafe, but it has been questioned why someone who makes "gritty, hyper-real, socially conscious films" is directing Potter. Producer David Heyman answers that question, saying: "Well, this movie is bit of a revolution."

Order of the Phoenix presents Harry with his toughest experiences yet, and that's what Yates is focusing on. He said, "I've stretched Dan quite a bit. He's a very intuitive person, very bright, quite sensitive. I'm just helping him wake up those things. You can see his determination and ambition, and he can switch things on a sixpence, so I can't wait for people to see what he's achieving."

Forbes has released a list of the top-earning authors of 2006, and JK Rowling came in second place. She trailed Dan Brown's $88 million in earnings, pocketing $75 million from the Harry Potter books, movies, and merchandise.

Some photos and details of the upcoming Order of the Phoenix action figures were released earlier this week on You can see a number of photos over on, including one depicting Harry along with his Patronus.

Wednesday night, Daniel Radcliffe presented for the AFI Awards at the Melbourne Exhibition Centre in Australia, as well as appeared on the Channel 9 Today Show discussing his role in December Boys. The interview, which includes clips from his new movie, can be viewed on

The Common Knowledge Scholarship Foundation is holding a movie quiz which includes questions on the Potter films (along with Shrek, Aladdin, Toy Story, and a few others).

The contest is based on a series of short multiple choice quizzes. You receive 500 points for each correct answer and lose 1 point for each second taken to complete each question. The person with the most points at the end is the scholarship winner.

A $250 scholarship will be awarded to the person who gets the highest combined score on the two quizzes you must take.

Wow, did everyone follow that? Finally, J.K. Rowling has donated the handbag that she carried during the premiere of Sorcerer's Stone to raise money for The Women's Fund for Scotland. The bidding closed on December 8th with the handbag raising over $600. That's all the news for this December 10th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Update on Andrew's Wizard Rock Band

Andrew: Okay, thank you, Micah. I have an update on my Wizard Rock band.

Jamie: Do you have a name for it yet?

Andrew: No, I don't.

Jamie: Well, have you heard the - there's a very, very simple formula for making a Harry Potter Wizard Rock band name. You take the name of a character, okay, so, for example, Sirius Black, okay?

Andrew: Okay. [laughs]

Jamie: Then the first word is just the first name of the character, then it's, "and the," and then you take the last name and add an "S" onto the end. And there you go, that's your made-up Wizard Rock name.

Andrew: Well, what if I was like, Neville and the Longbottoms? Or does that exist already?

Kevin: Does it?

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. What about Albus and the Wulfric...

Andrew: Dumbledores?

Jamie: Albus and the Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledores. Be that, Andrew.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: That would be awesome.

Andrew: I don't know, that's a little too long.

Jamie: It is quite long.

Andrew: It's a little too long. I'm going for something short, but I've actually been getting a couple e-mails from some audio engineers and some - actually, some other Wizard Rock bands that have offered their assistance.

Jamie: Awesome.

Andrew: And I'm very appreciative of that. However, you know, it's my own thing. I just want to do it on my own. I do have an update. Last week, I talked about the venues, trying to get into Madison Square Garden, places like that.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: I have actually signed on to several venues in the United States. Actually, there's one in Mexico, so I guess I could say the world.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: And they're all pretty big venues. Madison Square Garden is one of them. I don't want to reveal any other dates or places because I don't want any other bands booking their concerts around mine, because I want it to be sort of like, epic, you know, like there's a big build-up to it. I don't want like U2 doing a show right before it.

Jamie: Yeah, you don't want that.

Laura: You don't want U2 to open for you, right, Andrew?

Andrew: I just - yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: No, no, just having a concert before me.

Jamie: You need a bigger band.

Andrew: I mean, they could open, I guess that would be okay.

Jamie: No, Andrew, Andrew. They aren't really popular enough to open for you, you know? You want a big band to open for you.

Andrew: That is true.

Jamie: You know? To be honest.

Andrew: That is true. Yeah, and then I'm also - I signed a contract with a record label...

Laura: What record label?

Andrew: ...and we will be...

Kevin: Yeah, what label?

Andrew: Well, I can't say that, either.

Kevin: Oh.

Andrew: This is...

Jamie: You can't say much, can you? [laughs]

Andrew: I don't want other Wizard Rock bands to get the same idea. No, I can't. I don't want any other Wizard Rock bands to get the same ideas as me, it's just sort of - it's a big deal to me. I guess I could say there's about 34 venues booked all across the United States and Mexico, and I guess I could say ticket prices.

Jamie: Four million? Ten million?

Andrew: No, that's a little high. $250. And the show is going to be about five minutes long because I only have one single.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: But, I think it's going to be worth it if you show up. There will be a pre-show.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Eric Scull will be a part of that.

Jamie: No, no don't do that, because...

Kevin: And that will be...

Jamie: will last nine hours.

Kevin: Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Jamie: That will be a nine-hour show.

Andrew: Well, then it will be worth the money. So, it will be like twenty dollars an hour or something.

Jamie: There you go, that's not that bad. Sort of.


Andrew: To that effect. So, that's that. Don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. We are number two right now, behind Keith and the Girl. We're doing good. We sent out a - what are they called on MySpace? - bulletins to everyone, and that helps us get up in the ranks a little bit. We ask everyone to vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley. We're number two behind Keith and the Girl again. I don't understand how they have a better - a bigger fandom - more dedicated fandom than we do. It doesn't make sense because the people listening to this show.

Jamie: Our fans are the best and the most dedicated.

Andrew: Yeah, so it really doesn't make sense to me. And don't forget your MuggleCast t-shirts are going on sale. Our MuggleCast t-shirts are going out of sale very soon. The end of the month and, seriously, you need to stock up on these. It's, you know, I used the squirrel example last week. I'm out of new ideas for that, but I encourage everyone to purchase a MuggleCast t-shirt.

Jamie: Well, apart from that you don't eat your MuggleCast t-shirts.

Andrew: No, but what I said last week was that squirrels, they store up on nuts for the winter. You know how they do that?

Jamie: Yeah, but we - yeah.

Andrew: This is like you're storing up on t-shirts for the rest of your life.

Jamie: Yeah, but, unfortunately, we won't die if you don't have a MuggleCast t-shirt.

Laura: Well, yeah, like how are people supposed to hibernate without their shirts?

Jamie: Yeah, that is a damn good point, Laura. That is a - that is fantastic.

Andrew: Instead of a coat, buy ten of these. They'll keep you pretty warm, I think.

Kevin: Yeah, it's going to be like A Christmas Story.

Jamie: And you'll look awesome, as well.

Andrew: Yeah, you will look pretty good. [laughs] Maybe a little big, but you will look good in that.

Kevin: And if you could put your arms down, that would be an accomplishment.

Andrew: Yeah. And, of course, they do help support the show.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Also, Jamie.

Jamie: Yeah?

Andrew: The book. You guys wrote a book.

Jamie: Oh, yeah we did.

Laura: Oh, they did, didn't they?

[Andrew laughs]

MuggleNet's Book

Jamie: Yeah, we wrote a book:'s What Will Happen in Book 7 - this is from memory - Who Dies, Who Lives, Who Falls in Love, and How the Story Finally Ends? Is that right?

Andrew: It's Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Falls in Love, and How Will the Adventure Finally End?

Jamie: Yeah. There you go. Almost.

Andrew: I'm looking at the banner ad.

Jamie: And it is available on, and from our affiliate Alivan's, so please order it, because it is quite a good read, I guess.

Andrew: You've been getting good reviews, and people...

Jamie: Yeah, well, we've been getting quite a - quite good reviews.

Andrew: Don't talk about yourself down like that.

Jamie: Yeah, please. It's an awesome Christmas present. It's only $11.00, and I think it's got two-hundred and eighty pages or something? On speculation, on stuff like: Is Snape good, is Harry a Horcrux? Stuff like that, so yeah, buy it, and have a very, very Merry Christmas.

Andrew: And what else? Episode 70, don't forget to submit your MuggleCast remixes. There's a lot of announcements this week, I'm sorry about that. [laughs] Episode 70, do not forget to submit your MuggleCast remixes. We've been getting a few. Last week you might remember my Frappr rap, as Eric called it. Someone actually put a beat to it, and it actually turned out really good. [laughs] So, that will be part of the show, along with my Wizard Rock single.

Happy Birthday, Jamie!

Andrew: And a Happy Birthday goes out to Jamie Lawrence here on the show who turned 20 the other day. Congrats, Jamie!

Jamie: Thank you.

Laura: So, Jamie, what are you closer to now?

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Well, there are a few things, Laura. I'm closer to 30 than ten, half way to 40, a third of the way to 60, a quarter of the way 80, a fifth of the way to 100. Name your cliche, I'm there now. You know? Seriously.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: And it's not fun, I can tell you that.

Andrew: Yeah, I know. You've really been dreading it. [laughs]

Jamie: Oh, I have, I have. I don't want to grow up. I want to be Peter Pan.

Kevin: [laughs] I knew you were going to say that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: See...I...yeah...

Jamie: It's true, though. He must've had an awesome life!

Andrew: Did you have a good - well, he's not real - but did you have a good birthday?

Jamie: Oh, he's not?

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: I did have a very good birthday, thank you.

Laura: What did you do?

Jamie: Apart from - well, I went out for lunch with some good friends, and had a good time there, and then my college had their winter ball in the evening, which is a huge event in college, and it was themed winter wonderland, so there were roast chestnuts and mulled wine, and stuff like that. It was really good. And actually, there was a bouncy castle, but it was kind of...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, tell the story about this.

Jamie: Well, it was the kind of bouncy castle where you race against...

Andrew: It's like a maze, sort of?

Jamie: Yeah, you race against one other person. So, you go through the hole entrance, jump over the wall, over the second wall, crawl through the thing, and then roll over to dramatic applause at the end, you know, and hopefully you've won and beat the other person.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Jamie: And I was having an awesome time on this, so I must have been on it ten, 15 times. And then I came home, felt fine, and went to bed, and woke up in the morning and had the worst pain ever in my left big toe, and I thought I'd broken it; I could hardly walk on it, it was insane. So, I called one of my friends and asked him to drive me to the hospital A&E department - Sorry, emergency room. Even though it really wasn't an emergency.

Andrew: In the hospital or in Durham?

Jamie: Yeah, in Durham. Yeah.

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: Yeah, and...

Andrew: [laughs] I was going to say.

Jamie: Yeah, I went there and saw a doctor, got an x-ray, and I haven't broken it; I've just sprained the ligaments in my sort of lower leg ankle and toe. So, that's nice. On my birthday, as well. That's a good birthday present.

Laura: That's like the second time you've injured yourself.

Jamie: Yeah, seriously. I know, I know.

Laura: First the trash can.

Andrew: [laughs] The first time was the trash can.

Jamie: Everyone listening: Enjoy bouncy castles responsibly. They are not a toy.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: Or wait, they are a toy.

Andrew: That might have to be the title of this show.

Jamie: What? Enjoy bouncy castles responsibly? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: No, seriously, do, do, and they may seem fun at the time, but when you wake up clutching a limb...

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Jamie: ...blinded by the pain...

[Kevin laughs]

Jamie: ...incapable of speech because of the intense agony, you know, they may not be so fun then. So, yeah. That's your lesson of the week. [laughs]

Andrew: Thank you for that.

Jamie: Yeah, I had a good birthday, thank you. Apart from that. And it's your birthday soon, Laura, as well, isn't it?

Laura: Yup.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: 19th.

Andrew: 18.

Laura: I'm going to be old.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Oh, Laura, are you actually joking? Are you actually joking?

Laura: I'm saying goodbye to my childhood.

Kevin: Don't say that.

Jamie: I wish I was 18 again.

Laura: That's so sad.

Kevin: Yeah, and hello to freedom.

[Andrew laughs]

Listener Rebuttal - Werewolves

Andrew: All right. Now that we got all the business out of the way, we have a couple of e-mails. The first one now is from Musician22 of Sweden. She writes:

"You had a question about werewolves in the last episode. It was claimed that Jo has said werewolves can only be killed by silver bullets. This isn't what she said. Because of discussions and rumors going around that Remus is going to be killed by the silver hand, she commented, on her page, that she assumes this is based on the old idea that a silver bullet is the only thing which can kill a werewolf. So, she doesn't actually say that she has taken this on and uses this rule in the books."

Jamie: Where did you guys get your information from? That is atrocious that you said that.

Laura: I didn't say it. The voicemail caller said it.

Andrew: Laura?

Kevin: I didn't say it.

Andrew: It was the voicemail caller. Although, we didn't correct the voicemail caller.

[Jamie and Kevin laugh]

Laura: Hey, that just goes to show, I put my complete and utter faith in the voicemail callers.

Andrew: In the voicemail callers. [laughs]

Jamie: Well, Laura, you're naive then. Naive is what you are.

[Kevin laughs]

Laura: Just because I trust the fans...

Jamie: If a voicemail told you to jump off a cliff, would you go ahead and do it?

Laura: Well, if a voicemail told you to go jump off a bouncy castle and break your toe, would you do it?

Jamie: Yeah, yeah I would.

[Andrew, Kevin, and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Which is exactly why I did it. They told me to have a good time on my birthday, so that's what I did, yeah.

Kevin: And look where it got him. See?

[Andrew laughs]

Listener Rebuttal - Where Dementors Come From

Andrew: Lily, 14, of Texas writes:

"I have several things to say about the Dementors. For the first thing, I was under the impression that when Dementors breed, that it creates fog. Kind of continuing with this theory, I had an idea that maybe Dementors are created whenever something so terrible happens to a magical creature, and then they choose to become a Dementor rather than keep on living. Another unlikely theory is that whenever anything unhappy happens, the bad memory kind of drifts up into the clouds and then a Dementor is born. These are kind of crazy out there kinds of theories, but they are worth a shot."

I kind of like that idea.

Laura: Ummm...

Jamie: Yeah, that's...

Andrew: A bad memory drifts up into...

Kevin: Yeah, didn't they say that they reproduce?

Laura: Yeah, they take - they suck the happiness out of the air, I don't know. It just doesn't seem plausible to me.

Jamie: Do you know what that reminded me of, that idea, the first idea? Have any of you seen or read IT?

Laura: Yes.

Jamie: By Stephen King.

Kevin: Yeah, yep.

Jamie: Did you know when IT only appears when there's a great tragedy like the bombing of a pub, or a child death, or something like that.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: It seems kind of like that, when something happens to a magical creature that a Dementor is made or something like that. I don't know. It's interesting, though, very interesting.

Laura: Well, I always just kind of took it to mean that anytime something bad was happening Dementors just kind of flocked there to feed.

Jamie: They feast on it, yeah.

Laura: To feed off of the emotion. But not that...

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: ...not that they're bred from it, really. I always thought that their breeding was strictly something that they did, not that was caused by...

Jamie: Eugh! Imagine seeing Dementors doing it.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that would be very uh...

Jamie: Eugh, Andrew, eugh!

Andrew: Nice? [laughs]

Jamie: Eugh! Eugh!

Andrew: Ewww, like O-M-G!

Jamie: OMG, like oh my god, man.

Listener Rebuttal - Draco's Role in Movie Five

Andrew: Okay, so thank you, Lily, for that. Anna Fahlen, 15, of Sweden; she writes:

"Hi! I just realized that we haven't seen one single picture of Draco yet in all of the pictures and videos that are here now..." In reference to Order of the Phoenix the film and images. Do you think that means that he'll play a smaller part in Order of the Phoenix? From, Anna."

And I'm trying to think now if we saw any pictures on set. I mean, obviously, he's going to have a big role at the end.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Andrew So, I mean, what else do you want to see out of - Oh, when he's catching them coming out of the Room of Requirement. Hopefully that's in the movie.

Laura: Yeah, I hope so, too.

Jamie: That should be in. That's so...

Kevin: Maybe it's just the fact that he doesn't show up that often, we haven't seen him, just specific parts throughout the book, you know?

Andrew: Yeah. I actually do remember they do have a couple pictures of Draco in Umbridge's office when they catch Harry...

Jamie: That scene...

Andrew: ...when he's talking to Sirius in the fire.

Jamie: That scene could be either amazing or...

Laura: Or...

Jamie: ...or it could be terrible.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: You know? The Dumbledore fighting scene. I don't know, I would - that's probably the scene I am most looking forward to. I would love to see Dumbledore do that.

Andrew: Yeah, I love that scene in the books.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: It's very, very powerful. So, yeah, I think we will be seeing Draco, just maybe not as much in the book. It's interesting now that they haven't really released any pictures of him. But they'll come in due time.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: They do have them.

Listener Rebuttal - Speaking Intelligently

Andrew: Kelly, 26, of West Virginia writes:

"Hello, everyone! I'm a new listener to the show but a long-time Harry Potter fan. As an English teacher, it is so nice to hear young people (and people near my age) speak intelligently and intuitively about something I find absolutely magical."

Well, thank you, Kelly.

Kevin: Well, some young people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Jamie and I aren't young anymore.

Andrew: Jamie, can we consider you old now?

Jamie: Yeah, you can.

Andrew: Now we can't call you a teenager? You're not one of the older folks?

Jamie: No I...

Andrew: You are one of the older folks, I mean.

Jamie: Do you know what happened the other day? Okay, I have to tell you this story because I was so annoyed, okay?

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: I have a locker in college where I can store stuff, okay?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Now. I had three items on me. I had my keys, I had my MP3 player, and I had my coat, okay? Now I went to this locker, okay? And I opened the locker and I put my coat and my MP3 player in there, okay? Then I closed the locker, walked away. Then I realized I'd left my keys in the locker, so I came back, opened it.

[Kevin laughs]

Jamie: I have no idea why I opened it - I took my stuff out, then sort of put it back in and messed about for a second. Then I locked it, took my keys, and walked away and realized that I was still carrying my coat, so I went back, opened the locker...

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Jamie: ...put my coat in, closed it, I don't know what was happening, walked away, and I was carrying my MP3 player. So, then...

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: So, I went back, was really thinking about it this time, put everything back and walked away, very, very annoyed that I was getting old.

Andrew: Well, gee, it only took you four or five times. [laughs]

Jamie: It's embarrassing. Seriously, 20 years old, and I can't even remember stuff.

Andrew: A lot on your mind or something?

Jamie: Huh? I just had stuff on my mind I guess, you know?

Andrew: I do hate - I hate when that happens, too, when you close your locker. See, what is it, a combination locker?

Jamie: Oh no, it's just a key locker.

Andrew: Oh, there's no - oh, so - oh, you need a key.

Jamie: No it's a retina scan, Andrew. It's a retina scan.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: The ones in my high school, they're combo locks, and after you shut it, like accidentally, and then you realize you left something in there.

Jamie: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew: It's like, "Awww, nuts." Anyway, let's finish this rebuttal. [laughs]

Jamie: Andrew, Andrew, these lockers, I keep such important stuff in there, it's a key, a retina scan, a fingerprint scan, and then I...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: ...and then it takes a blood sample and it has to identify my DNA.

Tangent: No One Wants Andrew's Blood

Andrew: Send it do Processing. Well, anyway, speaking of blood samples, I'm sorry the show's getting off topic.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: There was a blood drive at my school today and um...

Kevin: Did you go?

Andrew: No, I couldn't go, because...

Laura: Did Bono donate his blood, Andrew?

Andrew: Yes, I took it and I'm on a natural high 24/7.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: But anyway, there was a blood drive at school today and I wasn't able to do it because I went to England and they're afraid - now, Jamie, what do you think of this?

Jamie: Really, is that true?

Andrew: They don't let you do a blood drive if you've been in England for a certain amount of time...

Jamie: Why?

Andrew: ...on a trip, so I couldn't.

Jamie: Why? What reason did you give? You were here for about ten hours.

Andrew: [laughs] Because you guys have Mad Cow.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: Is that it?

Kevin: It is.

Andrew: Seriously, it's because they don't want Mad Cow.

Jamie: We personally have mad cow? Oh, cows have Mad Cow, you mean?

Andrew: Well, British people - well apparently - good point. Yeah, yeah. Apparently the meat or something - because I had eaten a burger and like I checked with them. I said, "I was only there for three days." They said, "Well, what'd you eat?" You know, stuff like that. Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: And you were like, "Oh, yeah. I kept a food diary when I was over. I know exactly what I ate."

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Well, I remember the burger because I didn't like it. At all.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Kevin: That's because it had Mad Cow.

Jamie: Yeah, probably.

[Andrew, Kevin, and Jamie laugh]

Andrew: But, anyway. Anyway, let's...

Jamie: I think that's absolutely - possibly one, if not the, most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

Andrew: It's funny and I knew you would probably get a little angry at that. But anyway...

Jamie: No, no. I don't mind if they want that but, you know, everyone's short of blood and they say like...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: "Oh are you under, you know, however many ever pounds? Are you over 6'9? Oh, oh, you can't give blood then."

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Right.

Jamie: "If you've got blonde hair, oh you can't give blood then. Black hair, you can't either."

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: It's ridiculous.

Listener Rebuttal - Percy and The Veil

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. I know, so anyway.

"The reason I am writing to you is because on your last show there was a discussion on whether or not Percy would give Harry a clue as to how to contact Sirius through the veil and how the meaning of Percy's name in Old French is "pierce the veil." Just to play the devil's advocate, I thought it would be interesting to point out that Percival is also a middle name of Dumbledore's. I don't think that means that Dumbledore could "pierce the veil" by still being alive or coming back to life, but I thought it was worth mentioning and pondering."

Did we ever talk on the show about why Dumbledore's hand was black? We must've.

Jamie: No, that's...

Kevin: Yeah, I'm sure in the past.

Laura: We've talked about that.

Kevin: It was - yeah.

Andrew: Because some people think that it's because he might have tried to reach into the Veil.

Kevin: No. I think that we established that it was a curse.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, it was. Yeah.

Andrew: Now before getting into our main discussion this week we had planned something else for the show. However, we could not get it done due to technical difficulties. However, Micah, Laura, and Kevin recorded a main discussion earlier today and here it is now.

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