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Deathly Hallows Release Date

Andrew: I want to, besides some questions from voice mailers, we do have a couple e-mails. But I also wanted to bring up; we didn't really post this on MuggleNet because it's one of those things that we just assume it's not true and I thought we could just bring it up on the show quick., when you do a search for "Deathly Hallows," they have a release date of March 31st on there. And it got me - it's pretty unrealistic, but it got me thinking that, would that not be so cool though? The book only three months away?

Ben: No!

Andrew: Not to mention it's not even summer.

Ben: Because we don’t have time to prepare for anything, man.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Like what? We can whip up a podcast together real quick. But, I thought that was interesting. And whenever this release date - if there was a release date posted on some ten-year old's Yahoo! Geocities site, people would take it seriously. People are very, how do I put this?

Laura: Gullible?

Jamie: Believing? Gullible?

Andrew: Believing, gullible, anxious for a title, which leads them to believe anything that they see. In this case...

Jamie: It’s coming out tomorrow

Andrew: is probably just using it as a filler. But also got me thinking.

Ben: Barnes and Noble keeps saying its 7-7-07 and we get e-mails all the time. People saying, "My dad’s uncle’s brother works at Barnes and Noble."

[Jamie laughs]

Ben: Which would also be your great uncle.

Jamie: Wait, my dad - yeah.

Andrew: But March 31st date got me thinking maybe that is what Amazon heard when we would have a release date by. [pause] Do you think that’s possible?

Laura: Maybe.

Andrew: Like, "Hey, look out for a release date by the end of March."

Laura: But what is so special about March 31st?

Andrew: No, nothing. But Amazon posted it...

Jamie: It's April Fools almost.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: Something interesting – something interesting: the release dates of the book traditionally come out six months before hand and six months after March is October 31st Halloween. Dun, dun, dun!

Andrew: Ah. [hums "dun, dun, dun"]. Actually, no. [laughs]

Jamie: I got the e-mail. I got the e-mail. No, Ben, that’s September 31st.

Ben: No, its not.

Jamie: Wait, hold on, Ben.

Andrew: Six months from September 31st is March 31st.

Ben: March, April, May. June, July, August...

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: ...Soctober.

Andrew: [laughs] Go back to sleep. "Soctober?"

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: I got the e-mail that talked about when Cheryl was doing the podcast, she said that [laughs] typically the book takes six months after Jo has sent it to them - it takes six months from that point to publication. So, Jo would have to get it out to them very, very soon for it to be out in July and I don’t think its going to be out that - I don’t Jo's quite finished.

Andrew: Although - I mean we got a release date with Half-Blood Prince right before Christmas and then it came out seven months later, basically. So...

Jamie: That is very true.

Andrew: But, it is a good point, though. And they need time, so...

Micah: Yeah, but we didn’t get the release date until six months after the title came out.

Ben: Good point.

Laura: That might be different this time. She might have gotten so close to the end and kind of decided to do it a little differently. Release the title when she is pretty much done writing the book and then send the book off in January or February.

Micah: I hope not. Because I have to work all of July, so I’d pretty much be screwed for going to anything. [laughs] Should I just quit?

Jamie: Yes

Listener Rebuttal: Runes and Snape

Andrew: One final e-mail this week. From Briana, 16 of Virginia Beach, Virginia. She writes:

"Great job on the main discussion for this week. (Episode 70) It was really enlightening to see a new side of the debate over the meaning of Deathly Hallows. I want to take analyzation a little too far (sorry Ben) but in mentioning Hermione’s Ancient Runes education I couldn’t help but remember the mix-up with two runes that she had in Order of the Phoenix. On page 715 on the U.S. hardback edition, JKR stated..."

And this is Hermione talking.

"I mistranslated 'ehwaz,' said Hermione furiously. 'It means 'partnership,' not 'defense', I mixed it up with 'eihwaz.'"

Sorry, I’m sure I’m mispronouncing it, too. And then Ron says:

"'Ah, well,' said Ron lazily, 'That’s only one mistake, isn’t it, you’ll still get...'

And then Hermione cuts him off by saying:

"'Oh, shut up,' said Hermione angrily, 'It could be the one mistake that makes the difference between a pass and a fail.'"

And then Briana writes:

"If Snape is the 'hanging man' that the symbols from this episode refers to, it might be possible that Hermione’s mix-up between the runes also foretells Snape’s allegiance to the Order rather than to Voldemort. It could signify that if Harry doesn’t acknowledge Snape’s commitment to the Order, it may be the difference between life and death instead of pass or fail like in the Rune translation."

So, that’s interesting. Thank you, Briana.

Micah: I don’t know if it relates to Snape. I think the end part may be right that if she misinterprets something maybe it does mean a choice between life and death but Snape’s allegiance to the Order? I don’t how that really ties in.

Laura: Yeah. I like the idea that Hermione could potentially kill everyone if she screws up.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura and Micah laughs]

Listener Rebuttal: Polyjuice Potion

Andrew: We have - and one final Rebuttal for this week. I know, I said the last e-mail was the last one. Concerning the Polyjuice Potion topic that we had, Jill, 15 of Upstate New York, writes:

"You guys were talking about how the Polyjuice Potion may be used to change a person’s age. But as you went on I began to think that maybe there was some magic that makes the person change into the other person exactly the age they are presently regardless of the age of the hair or whatever is used. This would mean that if say Voldemort uses some hair from when he was a teenager he would just end up exactly the same as he was at that time. On a sort of unrelated note, Andrew was talking about how useless the Periodic Table was and I found it funny as I was doing Chemistry Lab as I was listening to the show."

I did not put that e-mail in because of what that said.

"Anyways, keep up the good work and I live the show."

So, I don’t know if we ever put closure onto what we were talking about last week concerning the Polyjuice Potion.

Laura: Yeah, I agree with him. I really...

Andrew: Jill? Jill is a girl.

Laura: Oh, I thought you said "Joel." Sorry. [laughs] Sorry, Jill. No, I agree with Jill because I don’t thing that using a hair that was plucked off someone’s head when they were three-years old would make a difference. It's still their DNA. It's still...

Jamie: Yeah. That's true.

Laura: ... part of their body. I think it'll just transform them into whatever they are, presently.

Jamie: And what happens if you took a hair from Dumbledore now, and drank it in Polyjuice Potion? You...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Would you be dead? Yeah.

Jamie: You wouldn't die. Yeah... I don't know, perhaps – no, you wouldn't die, you'd just turn into Dumbledore, temporarily, and then...

Andrew: That'd be an awful prank. Wait...

Jamie: Yeah, it would.

Andrew: So, you wouldn't – but, wait, if it takes your current state, and you're dead...

Jamie: No, but - no, but you couldn't die and then come back to life. Well, you know – I mean, it's assuming it's a paradox of dying and coming back to life. You couldn't turn into somebody dead and then turn back. You'd only be a manifestation of death, that isn't actually death.

Jamie's British Joke of the Day

Andrew: Jamie, to wrap things up today, do you have a British joke for us?

Jamie: I do.

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: I have a few.

Andrew: I have a British story joke to tell.

Jamie: Awesome. This one comes straight from Claire, 17, of Ireland, and it's a joke about Mad-Eye Moody. Mad-Eye Moody walks into a shop. While waiting in line to buy a new hip-flask, his magical eye suddenly falls out of its socket. Luckily, a beautiful witch just ahead of him in line turns around, just in time, to grab the eye before it hits the floor. Thoroughly grateful, Mad-Eye asks the witch if she would like to join him for dinner at a local, very, very nice restaurant. That evening, the witch pleasantly surprised and impressed by the deliciously expensive meal, asks Mad-Eye, "So, do you treat all witches like this?" to which he replies, "Only the ones that catch my eye."

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: When she told me I was average, she was just being mean.

Andrew: [laughs] I get it. Math joke.

Micah: That's terrible.

Andrew: It's a math joke. Kevin would be laughing his butt off right now. All right.

Story Time

Andrew: I actually have a British joke to tell everyone.

Jamie: Oh! I have a quick story.

Andrew: It's based on a true story, actually.

Jamie: Oh, after this. Go on.

Andrew: You're not going to – this doesn't involve America, does it?

Jamie: It involves something you did, and you made a fool out of yourself that I can't let go.

Andrew: Okay. Well, I'm going to tell something that you made a fool out of yourself and we'll be even. [clears throat]

Jamie: Okay.

Andrew: All right, so Jamie was with me last week, and I took him to the mall because he wants to get the whole American experience. And, so, we go in for a little bit, we come out, we're heading back to my car. And...

Jamie: Oh. [laughs]

Andrew: ...I notice Jamie's a little ahead of me, and he starts walking his way over there...

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: ...and I notice he's going for the driver's side of the car to get in. And, I don't say anything because I just thought maybe he wants to throw the bags in the back seat or something on my side. So – [laughs] I just started going until he starts – and he can't drive in America, obviously.

Ben: He can't drive in Britain, either.

Jamie: [imitates Ben] No. Can't drive anywhere, Ben.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] He starts opening the door and I'm like, "Dude, what are you doing?" And, Jamie, you had thought that – you're too used to England, you were thinking it was the passenger side.

Jamie: I was, habitually. It was completely habitual, just walking around, and...

Ben: So, did he actually get in?

Andrew: I thought that was pretty funny.

Jamie: I would've got in. No.

Andrew: No. [laughs] Because I was...

Jamie: I would've done. If he'd opened it, I would've got in...

Andrew: Well, I think once you saw the steering wheel...

Jamie: ...but I'd have realized the steering wheel, and thought, "This could be the wrong side."

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: Okay...

Andrew: I thought that was funny.

Jamie: to pay Andrew back for this I have a story as well, where he managed...

Andrew: Can I at least...

Jamie: Andrew, don't even think about it! No you can't, no you can't! And don't...

Andrew: No...

Jamie: ...edit this out.

Andrew: ...honestly the worst moment of my life.

Jamie: Okay. I went to Andrew's high school and spent a day at it, and it was absolutely awesome and I met loads of extremely nice people. But to go there, since students there can't just bring friends in randomly, I had to be sort of considered a guest of honor there, a guest speaker. And to do this thing, I had to do an interview with two other foreign exchange students and Andrew – and Andrew chaired this thing. There was a guy from Germany there, a girl from Italy, and me. And Andrew was asking questions about how school works in our respective countries...

Andrew: Right, and ...

Jamie: ... what we do for fun, what we eat, and stuff...

Andrew: was really early in the morning. I had very little sleep the night before.

Jamie: It was early in the morning. So, what happened was Andrew was talking about attractions in our countries, and he was talking to the girl from Italy and he said, "So, is there anything – are there any particular special landmarks to see in your country apart from the Eiffel Tower, of course?"

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: And all I can say about that is...

Jamie: Then he slipped in...

Andrew: ...Italy and France...

Jamie: "Oh, no, actually wait. That's in France." Well done, Andrew!

Andrew: Thank you, Jamie.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: And on the final cut of that video, which is going on the local district station, you will not find that screw-up because I removed it. [laughs]

Jamie: He did.

Andrew: And it will never be seen further than this podcast. But Jamie, since there are a lot of American listeners, what do you think about American schools – high school?

Jamie: I thought it was absolutely awesome. Yeah, I had the best time ever. I...

Ben: Were Andrew's classes hard, at all?

Jamie: All the classes were fantastic, all your friends were very nice – no, no, no. It's really – I'd forgotten how easy high school was. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Actually, I must admit.

Andrew: Well, it was a particularly easy day. I mean... [laughs]

Jamie: Well, yeah, it was awesome. And TV Tech was fun, and doing the Morning Show thing was exceptionally fun, and...


Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Stephen Cappello.

Jamie: Watch it. So, yeah, it was fun. And the corridors – sorry, the halls, the halls. The halls were fantastic. It was just like in – they were awesome. It was just like in the movies. It was just like from the movies, and lined with lockers. And lunch was awesome, as well. I went to lunch, and oh, you know...

Andrew: You had pizza.

Jamie: ...had pizza.

Andrew: We - you went to, when you went to my Health class and my World Cultures class, and both of them you were handed a worksheet, and you were excited to do it...

Jamie: I was.

Andrew: ...until you actually looked at the work.

Jamie: And then...

Andrew: And then you were like...

Jamie: And then there was no way I was doing it. In one we had to label a map of Africa, which my cat could do.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: So, uhhh...

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: [laughs] ... I didn't feel like doing that. But I kept the sheet. Then I threw it in Andrew's trash can.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: Which I kind of regret, because it was actually quite interesting, and it could have been a nice souvenir. But, no, I had an awesome time at Shawnee High School.

Andrew: Well, good, I'm glad. And everyone really enjoyed your presence at High School.

Jamie: Yeah, it was fun.

Andrew: They're still talking for you. Or ...

Ben: You should...

Andrew: Talking for you?

Ben: ...come to Moundridge High School.

Andrew: Actually, looking for you. I hear Moundridge High School – that's a real experience.

Ben: Real...

Andrew: It's not even like a regular American High School. It's sort of like you show up...

Ben: And, dude, they have...

Andrew: ... all ten students of the school go into the one room.

Ben: They all worship Ben Schoen, too. It's like...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Oh, yeah.

Ben: I just get away with everything.

Andrew: Well, [laughs] on that note, I think that does wrap up MuggleCast number 72. We'll be back next week. I guess we'll do some more Deathly Hollows stuff next week. But it's all going to be preempted by our very special, exclusive interview, next week, with a very special guest.

Ben: Huge!

Andrew: I really – I cannot believe we got him. It's really unbelievable. So ...

One Last Joke

Jamie: Okay, I have a quick one last joke. I said to my gym instructor, "Can you teach me to do the splits?" He asked, "How flexible are you?" So I said, "Well, I can't do Tuesdays."

Show Close

Andrew: [laughs sarcastically] Funny. So, on that note, if you want to send Jamie more terrible jokes.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: You can also...

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: You could always use the MuggleCast Feedback form on to contact any of us. You can also send snail mail to the PO Box. Ben, located?


PO Box 223
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[Show music begins playing]

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Jamie: And then their friends get into it.

Andrew: Yeah. And then there's this whole big thing.

Ben: It's like an umbrella.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: It is.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. The show's precisely like an umbrella.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: It's shaped like it. It's...

Jamie: Yeah, I couldn't think of any two things that...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: ...are more alike, Ben, than the show and an umbrella.

Andrew: We've had some great...

Ben: I meant domino, but umbrella sort of just came out. Sorry.

Andrew: We've had some great episodes; lots of downloads, lately, of course, because there's been a lot of interest in Deathly Hollows. So, we thank you, and we thank everyone for listening.

Ben: Andrew, it's "Hallows", not "Hollows."

Andrew: Hallows.

Laura: Yeah, it is.

Andrew: Halo. Hollows.

Ben: Just call it "DH": I can't wait to hear DH.

Andrew: DH.

Ben: Have you read DH yet? Have you read...

Andrew: I'm just going to call it "Duh."

Ben: ...HBP? So dumb.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Ben: Or OOTP. [pronounces as a word]

Andrew: So, once again, I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: We'll see everyone next week for Episode...

Micah: Oh, by the way, Jo, time for a new FAQ poll.

Andrew: Oh, she's spoken... [laughs]

Micah: Can you take care of that, please?

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Micah, at this point, he just watches the site. If anything's older than a month he reminds Jo. That was good, Micah. Good work. We'll see everyone next week for Episode 73. Bye bye.

Jamie: Bye bye.

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