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Andrew: Because you need something to keep you sane during exam time - thank you Kate, 18, of Canada - this is MuggleCast Episode 73, for January 21st, 2007.

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Andrew: Can you guys believe that Laura Mallory once again appealed the court decision?

Kevin: It's so stupid.

Laura: Of course! She's got nothing better to do.

Andrew: Oh, you can believe it, Laura?

Laura: Yeah! She's got nothing better to do, obviously.

Micah: Ah, well, Laura's from Georgia.

Laura: I understand...

Micah: Laura Mallory's from Georgia.

Laura: I understand how these people operate.

Micah: They both share the same name.

Kevin: Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Ah, I see, you're on the same brain waves. You got everything.

Kevin: There are not many brain waves...

Laura: Hey! Don't even go there.

Andrew: Welcome to another edition of MuggleCast. We've got a jam-packed show this week, including a very special interview that we promised last week. We are happy to bring it to you this week. But first, I want to introduce a special guest co-host that we have this week. Mikey B., from California!

Mikey: Hi, everybody!

Andrew: Mikey! How you doin'?

Mikey: Pretty good! I'm excited.

Andrew: A few of us know Mikey from a couple of...

Kevin: [laughs] Good times.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: ...Harry Potter business trips that we took out to Las Vegas and California. And...

Mikey: [laughs] They were completely business.

Kevin: Yup.

Andrew: Yeah. And you - he knows his Harry Potter stuff, and we wanted to have him on the show this week. You have been very excited to be on here.

Mikey: Yeah. I've been actually very excited.

Andrew: You've been telling me all week. [laughs]

Mikey: I've been freaking out! I'm like, "Oh my gosh! I'm going to be on - you know, MuggleCast."

Andrew: You bought a new headset for it - you are set to go!

Mikey: I did buy a headset. It's nice, I like it. It's comfy, too.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, we do have a jam-packed show for everyone this week. I'm Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Mikey: And I'm Mikey Bouchereau.

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Micah: All right! Micah Tannenbaum here with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories.

Imelda Staunton, the actress who plays Professor Umbridge, spoke recently about her experience playing the former High Inquisitor. She said:

"Dolores is a vision in pink taffeta but a nasty piece of work. At first I thought, 'Oh, a Harry Potter, that'll be fun'. But at this film's heart is real tragedy, and I found myself having four months of intense acting, followed by occasional wand-waving for the next six."

A new Order of the Phoenix photo showing Daniel Radcliffe at King's Cross station was released earlier this week. Also, David Yates was quoted in USA Today recently as saying Order of the Phoenix is "the most emotionally complex one so far."

The Argus has a lengthy new interview online with the actor who plays Argus Filch in the Potter films. Most of the discussion revolves around the upcoming play The Caretaker in which David appears, but towards the end he talks about Order of the Phoenix. He said:

"I had a lot of fun up a 35ft ladder, clinging on with one hand and hammering proclamations into the hall wall with the other, while four crew guys shook the bottom. I'm not very good with heights."

Wrapping up movie news, a recent report by the UK Film Council stated that over 840 million pounds sterling was spent on film production last year. That's an increase of 48% from 2005's total expenditure. As a result, 2006 was the UK's best-recorded year for film.

Film minister Shaun Woodward commented that "These figures show that the UK is a great place to make a film. Two Potters – Harry and Beatrix - a Golden Compass and a bit of Stardust have helped the UK's film industry have one of its best years ever."

And Forbes Magazine has placed JK Rowling at #2 on their list of the richest women in entertainment. They estimate her net wealth at $1 billion, and she is the only career author on the list. In first place - who else? Oprah Winfrey.

Speaking of JK Rowling, Friday Night Shirt, a short film about the lives of single mothers in Yarmouth, has won a "Deffie" at a Hollywood film festival. JK Rowling, who struggled herself as a single mother some years ago, financed the poignant film.

Finally, Laura Mallory, the Georgian mother who has been crusading since August 2005 to remove the Potter books from the Gwinnet County's school libraries, is set to appeal to the County's Superior Court.

Mallory said:

"We will take a stand for truth, and pray God will touch the hearts of this generation."

For the past year and a half, she has vehemently preached that the books indoctrinate children in witchcraft. She hasn't, however, actually read the books.

Mallory says she is poised to take legal action and has apparently received "significant donations" from "supporters" in aid of this cause. You know, Laura, there is somebody who has already touched the hearts and minds of this generation. Her name is JK Rowling.

That's all the news for this January 21st, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Okay, thank you Micah.

Micah: You are welcome!

Mallory Discussion

Andrew: I guess one of the big stories of the week - Laura Mallory. What's going on? What's her mindset here? Does she really think she's going to be able to win this?

Micah: I don't think so.

Kevin: Nah. I think she's just wasting her time.

Laura: She's got to know, I mean...

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah. She is wasting her time, and I've said this time and time again.

Mikey: I think she just wants attention.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So Laura, most of us already know there really is nothing to do in Georgia, but - I mean, does it get to this point where there really is nothing to do but keep appealing your court cases?

Laura: Apparently! You know, I've said it time and time again that this woman has an extraordinary - an extraordinary amount of perseverance, and should be using it for charitable causes that actually need something like that. Not trying to get a book taken away from a bunch of kids.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah. The fact that...

Micah: Well, I liked her quote.

Kevin: The fact that she's actually taking donations - it just irks...

Andrew: She is?

Kevin: Yeah! "Significant donations from supporters in aid of this." It does...

Andrew: Oh no! [laughs]

Laura: What could you possibly use donations for?

Andrew: Gas money. [laughs]

Mikey: For legal action.

Kevin: For legal costs. But why spend money on legal costs when she could spend it on something that would go towards her cause a bit more, like promotion of other books besides Harry Potter? You know?

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: Or promotion of reading.

Laura: Yeah, I think she should...

Kevin: Because she knows it's going nowhere. So...

Micah: What do you think of her quote? She said, "We will take a stand for truth and pray God will touch the hearts of this generation."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I want God to touch me!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: No, I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore. [laughs] This lady - I don't know. Good for her for having - [laughs] being able to stick with it for so long, but... [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, and...

Andrew: It's not... Really, it's not even worth talking about anymore.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: We've - we've beaten this to death. But - so, of course...

Laura: Get a hobby. That's essentially what it comes down to.

Kevin: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: Has she...

Andrew: You'll see more...

Mikey: I have a question. Has she even read the books all the way through? Or...

Kevin: No. No.

Laura: No, she hasn't.

Micah: No.

Laura: She's read excerpts.

Andrew: Of course, you'll see more updates on, as the news breaks. I know everyone's on the edge of their seats to see...

Micah: When she's going to fail...

Andrew: ... the next time she’s going to get shut down.

Micah: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.


Andrew: Moving on, we don't really have any big announcements this week, but I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out a couple of things that we do every week, but most people don't actually realize it or how to subscribe properly in iTunes. First of all, we do have low bandwidth versions of the show. If you are on a dial-up connection these come in really handy; they're about a third of the size of the full quality MuggleCast podcast. Of course they sound – [imitates bad audio] they sound really bad, [returns to normal audio] but you can hear us and they are – you can listen to them without your ears bleeding. And they are worth it if you are on a dial-up connection. I know. Every once in a while when I'm on dial-up, I don't know about you guys, but I cannot take it...

Kevin: Yeah, it's like pulling teeth.

Andrew: ...especially long downloads.

Laura: I'm never on dial-up, thank God.

Andrew: You are very lucky.

Mikey: You're just special.

[Andrew, Kevin, and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Yeah. Also, this is a big problem, every single week I post on saying, "Hey, there's a new podcast out." And people say, "It's not showing up in iTunes yet." What people don't realize is the link that I have in iTunes goes to the directory listing within iTunes, which shows the ten most recent podcasts, but iTunes does not automatically see that we have a new episode out immediately after I post it. So, you have to press that Subscribe button on the page that I link to on to get the latest episode automatically whenever it comes out if your iTunes is open. So, hopefully that clears some things up. And also, Laura...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: We have a little Prophecy update.

Laura: We do.

Andrew: I believe you wanted to bring this up.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So, go ahead.

Laura: For those of you who were wondering, and I know a lot of you were, the dress code for the Decade of Enchantment Ball is semi-formal/formal.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: [laughs and yells] Shut up, Andrew!

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: Hold on. [laughing] I love the name of it.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [still laughing] They can't call it the Yule Ball, so they...

Laura: Well, no...

Andrew: They have to call it...what is it? Andrew and

Laura: Decade of Enchantment.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: That's because the whole thing is about ten years of Harry Potter.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

[Andrew, Kevin, and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Okay, okay.

Laura: So anyway, that is semi-formal/formal. So, ladies, get out your prom dresses, polish your shoes, do all that jazz. You are allowed to wear costumes and dress robes are encouraged, but Muggle formal wear is fine. I think that's what most people will be doing, I know that's what I'm doing. Tickets for the ball are on sale for $5.00 right now, and they can only be purchased by registered Prophecy attendees. You can purchase a ticket for and bring an unregistered guest if you wish, but as of right now unregistered guests may not purchase tickets. Also submissions for call papers will be closed February 1st. And that's all.

Andrew: Wow, Laura. You are a great – I'm appointing you our official Prophecy update spokesperson.

Laura: Okay, sure.

Mikey: Well, I have a question.

Andrew: That was good. Huh?

Mikey: What's with the formal and semi-formal? What, you know, decides as semi-formal? Because sometimes, you know, $200 jeans can be semi-formal. So...

Andrew: Yes.

Mikey: So...

Laura: Well, they mean like... [thinking of word]

Kevin: Dress pants, shirt and tie.

Laura: Yeah. For...

Mikey: Do they want us in tuxedos?

Kevin: No, tuxedos are formal.

Laura: No, no, no. Not guys.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: You should wear a tuxedo.

Laura: Okay, let me make...

Kevin: Like a jacket. A jacket would be formal.

Laura: ...this very clear for everyone. When they say semi-formal to formal, the semi-formal is for guys and the formal is for girls.

[Micah laughs]

Mikey: Okay.

Laura: That's how it goes. [laughs]

Andrew: Or if you're in England, you will know the dress pants to be smart trousers.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: As Jamie taught me.

Kevin: Oh, is that what they call them?

Andrew: There's your little English fact for the day.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Next time all you Americans, next time your mom or dad or friend or whoever asks you to wear some dress pants, he means – just say, [attempts British accent] "You mean smart trousers?"

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: That's my British accent.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So goofy, isn't it?

Kevin: Is that your British accent?

Andrew: Those English people. Yeah. But Ben, Jamie and I have been planning our outfit. already, for Prophecy...

Laura: Really?

Andrew: ...for the Decade Of Enchantment Ball.

Kevin: Really?

Micah: You're all wearing the same outfit?

Andrew: I don't want to – [goofy voice] I don't want to give it away.

Kevin: So, who are you going with?

Andrew: [still in goofy voice] It's a big surprise.

Laura: You guys sound like girls. [laughs] Oh my God.

Andrew: We're going...

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: We're going single.

Micah: Stag?

Andrew: Actually we're going together...

Kevin: Oh, okay. I see.

Andrew: Yeah, we're going stag. We're going as a package.

Laura: Oooh.

Andrew: It's a group of three. It's a three – [laughs] three way date.

Micah: Threesome?

Andrew: But anyway this...

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Our – what we're wearing is borderline semi-formal...

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: To whatever was below that, so...

[ Andrew, Laura, and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Yes!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: So, that should be good. But that does bring up a good point. We probably...

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Andrew: ...will be at Prophecy 2007 in Toronto, Canada, doing a LIVE podcast there and also will be at the Decade of Enchantment Ball. Can we call it the – can we call it DEB? For short? D-E-B.

Laura: Sure.

Andrew: Decade...

Laura: Why not?

Andrew: ...of Enchantment Ball.

Laura: We shorten everything in this fandom anyway.

Andrew: ...DEB. Are we going to be at DEB?

Laura: I mean, we have...

Andrew: [laughs] I know.

Laura: ...DH, COS. So, why not?

Andrew: Right, exactly. So we're going to be at DEB [laughs] at Prophecy. So, Prophecy 2007 dot com?

Laura: Dot org.

Mikey: Org.

Micah: Org.

Andrew: Org, sorry.

Listener Rebuttal: Hangman Game in Fantastic Beasts

Micah: Speaking of Canada, David, 16, of Ontario...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Eh?

Micah: Wrote in about another "Gallows" reference in the books. He said:

"When you stated that the whole reason for the Hallows/Gallows discussion was because of the game on JKR's website, it got me thinking. In Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, we see a hangman game played by Harry and Ron on the inside cover. Next to the hanged person, there's a giant spider who says, "You die Weasley." Do you think this could be a clue to who dies in Book 7?"

Laura: I completely forgot about that.

Andrew: Very interesting. I – that – I don't know. That seems to me like it would be kind of extreme for some fat – [laughs] uh, foreshadowing in such a small book, but...

Laura: Well, I mean...

Andrew: I don't know.

Mikey: No.

Andrew: What does everyone else think?

Mikey: Ron's not going to die. Ron's not going to die. There's...

Laura: I don't think he will.

Mikey: reason for him to.

Laura: I think it – I don't know. She said that one character had gotten a reprieve and I think that that might have been Ron.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: So, maybe at the time she wrote those books, maybe Ron was going to die.

Andrew: Yeah. Who would write that in the book, anyway? I wonder...

Laura: Well, it...

Mikey: Malfoy?

Laura: No, no, no. It was Harry's book and they were playing hangman and all sorts of stuff in the margins.

Andrew: Oh. That is very interesting. Hmmm. [laughs] I like that that. That ... Hmmm, cool.

Micah: I don't know, it doesn't look good for Ron. I mean, there's a lot of things that foreshadow his death.

Andrew: He's a weak character if you ask me. I think he's had it coming since Book 1. [laughs] I don't know, he's...

Laura: You're mean.

Andrew: I don't know.

Kevin: [laughs] Nice.

Andrew: I'm sorry.

Laura: I don't want to talk to you anymore.

Andrew: Ah, yeah. I know, you all the other girls...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: ...always go for the – for Ron.

Listener Rebuttal: Hangman in History of Magic Class

Andrew: Next rebuttal comes from Jenny, 14, of Boston. She writes: "In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, JK Rowling writes that during a particularly boring History of Magic lesson Harry and Ron passed the time by playing hangman. This could be foreshadowing to future events."

Andrew: And, you know, I like how people are pointing all these out to us, because we have a page on MuggleNet where we list all of the ways that Sirius' death was foreshadowed, I think?

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: That right? Or am I completely wrong?

Laura: It's the Death Clues under Things You Might Have Missed.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Death Clues, yeah. [laughs] We'll get to some more rebuttals later on.

Mikey's Release Date

Andrew: But, Mikey, earlier this week you brought up a release date theory to me, which I thought was very interesting.

Mikey: Really? Okay.

Andrew: Just like you did your – yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

Mikey: Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Well, of course like any fan, I was listening to, I guess, MuggleCast Episode whatever one you were...

Andrew: Wooo!

Mikey: ... talking about the release in...

Andrew: Pretty much every episode.

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Yeah, you know. Micah mentioned Halloween being the release date. I don't think Halloween, I think the day after it, November 1st. Reason for this is because All Hallows Eve is Halloween, but All Hallows Day is November 1st. I was talking to a couple friends about this. My friend Quinn and I, we were talking about it and he actually just re-read the first book. And, actually, in the first book, on November 1st McGonagall says she wouldn't be surprised if today is known as Harry Potter Day, and that's also the day that everyone was dressed up in robes and Vernon was going through those people in weird cloaks talking excitedly on every corner talking about Harry Potter. That would actually happen if the book was released on midnight on the 1st. What would be great is we have the party on Halloween, people can go trick-or-treating, line up for the book release, at midnight we start reading, and obviously during the day it would be "Harry Potter Day"...

Andrew: Right.

Mikey: ...on the 1st. So...

Andrew: Yeah, that's really cool. I really like that.

Kevin: Yeah, I like that.

Mikey: I think it'd be a great idea, because...

Laura: That is pretty cool.

Mikey: ... she said it in Book One...

Micah: I like it.

Mikey: know? So...

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I'll put in a word with her.

Andrew: Go trick-or-treating for...

Micah: Make sure that happens.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Okay.

Mikey: Micah will be like, "I want Harry Potter Day, just like you said in Book 1."

Micah: Yeah. [laughs]

[Laura laughs]

Micah: You know, something else that one of the listeners sent in, which actually raises a good point – I mean, we think only about ourselves here in America, but – and this one came from Australia, I forget who sent it in, but when it's summer here, it's winter down there, so, I mean, we tend to have a skewed view of when we think the books should come out. You know what I mean? When we say, "Oh, it's always been a summer release. It's always been a summer release." Well...

Laura: Well, for us it has.

Micah: Yeah, but, you know, we're not the only ones who read the books.

Laura: I know, but if you look at it that way, there's no release date that's going to be convenient for the entire world. It's not going to happen, and I think a lot of it...

Andrew: Right.

Mikey: November 1st. November 1st is. [laughs]

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: Because it's "Harry Potter Day."

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Well, I mean but that's like, what, in the middle of the week?

Mikey: It's a Thursday, so this is how it is. I know it's not, you know, a Saturday, but it's a Thursday, you know? So, what would happen is, you only would miss so many days of work, and then the Saturday is here. You know? People already expect people to miss work sometimes, or school, on November 1st, because they're out trick-or-treating late at night, so, you know...

Laura: Well, that's true.

Mikey: ...just take an extra day off on Friday, wouldn't be that big of a deal. I'm still holding out for that day.

Andrew: I, I really do like that. I think that's pretty clever.

Laura: Yeah, it is. I never thought of that.

Andrew: It just, it – but whenever I think about these release dates, I think about, am I going to be in school?

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: How much work am I going to have?

Laura: Mhm.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: If I miss, what am I going to you know? Because we're planning big...

Laura: Especially since we're going to be in college. Oh, my gosh.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly, so...

Kevin: And it would be...

Micah: Some of us.

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: It would be nice to be in England for the release.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Well, that's the thing, yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: And...

Kevin: That's like, a week venture there, so...

Andrew: Yeah, I mean, most people go to book parties and stuff, that's cool and great, but we plan on doing one big, live podcast. We want to do one in England [laughs], but I mean, you know, if it's during the school – school year, that's – might, you know, put a dent. So...

Micah: What about August, though? I mean, everyone seems focused on July.

Andrew: August is great. Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, August would be cool.

Andrew: August would be nice, yeah. I concur. [laughs] Right over the top of Prophecy.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: Imagine all of that.

Micah: Right after Prophecy.

Andrew: Oh, God.

Micah: Or two weeks after Prophecy.

Andrew: Yeah, we're going to Canada and England. No, thanks.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Two terrible countries. [laughs]

Kevin: Ohhh.

Micah: I guess that's getting cut out.

Andrew: I take that back. [laughs]

Laura: Careful, one of those countries is our neighbor, smart one.

Andrew: I know. [laughs] What, are they going to come down here and – never mind.

Mikey: I love Canada. William Shatner's from Canada.

Andrew: Yes, yes. I know all about you and William Shatner.

Main Discussion: Deathly Hallows = Horcruxes?

Andrew: Moving along now; Micah, you've been doing your homework this week.

Micah: I have.

Andrew: Would you care to explain?

Micah: Well, I think we've hit this from so many different angles, we started out with the hangman game. We talked about that two weeks ago, last week we kind of got into the whole referencing it to Halloween, you know, are they – were the deathly hallows the people who died for the Horcruxes to be made? But, one thing I think we briefly mentioned when the title first came out, and now we can come back to, is, are the deathly hallows in fact the Horcruxes themselves? And what I did was, I said – well, Eric brought this up, you know, I think it was Episode 71, when he started talking about this whole tie-in to Arthurian legend. And I said, "Now, I don't know anything about Arthurian legend, so I'm going to contact a professor at some university," and it's really bad that I don't remember who I contacted or where they work, but, nonetheless. Actually, I just found the e-mail. The person I spoke to was Professor Jane Chance of Rice University, so thanks to her. She provided some information that was similar to what Eric had mentioned back then, so I mean, I think it's worth exploring just a little bit more.

Andrew: So, what did you find out from this professor?

Voldemort the King

Micah: She was pretty helpful. She said that, you know, in Arthurian legend – in most legends – the hallows are seen to represent, sort of, the royal regalia that's carried by the king. So, I mean, can in this sense, can we compare Voldemort to a king?

Laura: Well, yeah, he's been...

Andrew: In a way.

Laura: ... compared to a king before. In the chess match, at the end of Sorcerer's Stone, people have compared that to the war that's been going on in the books. And people will compare the queen to Bellatrix, the king to Voldemort. I think it would be safe to say that you can compare Voldemort to a king.

Comparison to Arthurian Legend

Micah: Okay, so these hallows, supposedly, are these sacred vessels, have developed over time, through all these different legends, and what they've been developed into is basically four symbols of magical elements, and they actually also appear on tarot packs, and I know we talked about the hangman tarot card a couple weeks ago, as four suits: the sword, the spear, the cup, and the pentacle. Now, we know that Jo is very good at incorporating mythology and stories into her work. These four things, could they be the four remaining Horcruxes? Could they compare to the four remaining Horcruxes? What do you guys think?

Mikey: Well, the cup, we kind of know.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: The – yeah, but the sword, they already, didn't she already confirm that it wasn't the sword?

Laura: Yeah, I think it's already been kind of debunked that it's not a sword.

Kevin: And that's the only sword we've seen.

Laura: Well, I mean it all really comes down to do we think that the Horcruxes are entirely new things that we're going to find out about, or have we already seen them in the books before? Like we've already seen the locket at Grimmauld Place, for instance. Is there any chance that we've seen a Horcrux – you know – all of the Horcruxes, in each of the books, and we just don't know it yet?

Kevin: Well, I think that we've seen at least a couple of them, but...

Laura: Oh, I'm sure.

Kevin: ...maybe, I don't think all of them, necessarily. I mean, it's all speculation, but I would think that she would reserve at least one for herself to play around with in the seventh book, you know what I mean? Because that leaves her...

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: to be creative as to where he will find it and stuff like that. So...

Horcrux From Each Book?

Andrew: Wouldn't it be cool if one main item from each of the books was one of the Horcruxes?

Laura: Yeah, that's what a lot of people think.

Andrew: The diary in Chamber of Secrets, Gaunt's ring in Half-Blood Prince - er, how about the locket? Hmmm.

Mikey: The locket would be Order of the Phoenix, because that's when we saw it.

Laura: Yeah, the locket would be Order of the Phoenix.

Andrew: Oh, right. Right, right, right, right, right.

Mikey: We think we saw it.

Laura: Don't they also think it's Nagini? His snake? That was in Goblet of Fire.

Andrew: Yeah.

Voldemort's Wand

Mikey: Well, I think we - I actually heard a theory recently, because everyone is trying to tie them to the founders. If Fawkes - because, you know, phoenixes live forever - if Fawkes was Godric Gryffindor's Phoenix, and we know that Harry and Voldemort share brother wands, if Fawkes's feather is inside Voldemort's wand, couldn't his wand be a Horcrux? That would be Godric Gryffindor...

Kevin: Uh, yeah, but would he really want to store a Horcrux with him? It would sort of defeat the purpose of trying to protect them. His whole methodology in creating Horcruxes was that it would allow him to separate them from his body and, therefore, there was never a chance that the Horcrux and him would die at the same time, and if he has a wand, I mean, what's the first thing anyone is going to do with Voldemort's wand if a Death Eater doesn't get it? It's break it. They're going to snap it in half.

Andrew: Maybe he feels like he needs to have one with him in the event that, all six others got destroyed, he would still have his wand that he would protect no matter what, because it's always with him.

Kevin: Yeah, but...

Laura: Well, that's not true, though. He spent, what, fourteen years without being able to use his wand. Wormtail carried it around for him.

Micah: Well, I was pretty sure that Jo said that Fawkes only belonged to Dumbledore, and he's always been in Dumbledore's possession.

Kevin: Yeah, but he's talking about the feather itself. Like the wand itself, like...

Mikey: Yeah, maybe - yeah. Even if it wasn't back to Godric Gryffindor, couldn't it be his wand himself? Something that he holds on to, you know? He could protect it because he uses it.

Kevin: Yeah, but I would think it's a long stretch just because, like I said, if he does get defeated again - I mean, if Harry defeats him, the first thing Harry's going to do is go for his wand, because it's like, the wand matches the wizard, so there's only one wand like that, and it's his, so what better thing to do than make it so that even if he does come back, he'll never have the same wand and, therefore, he'll never have the amount of compatibility with his wand, you know?

Andrew: Mhm.

Kevin: At least that's what I would do. I'd destroy the wand first.

Laura: I think anyone would. It's a good theory, though. I mean...

Kevin: Yeah.

Mikey: How did the wand survive the first time he fell?

Kevin: Well, they said - Hasn't she confirmed that they weren't alone at Godric's Hollow?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Oh, yeah. That's...

Kevin: So...

Laura: She's pretty much said it without saying it, essentially.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, so if they weren't alone, you assume that at least one Death Eater was there, and if there was a Death Eater, then any smart Death Eater would pick up his wand, you know?

Back to Horcruxes in Each Book

Andrew: Right. Do you guys want to talk about the Horcrux in each book more? I sort of think that's interesting. I mean, there's...

Laura: I think it is interesting, but I think we would all need to take some time to go back and...

Kevin: And read. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: It's just speculation otherwise.

Laura: Because I honestly can't think of one thing in Sorcerer's Stone at all.

Andrew: Ummm...

Mikey: The Mirror of Erised. [laughs]

Kevin: Eh, no.

Andrew: Well, what about in Prisoner of Azkaban?

Mikey: It was the only thing I could think of.

Laura: Uhhh, the Time-Turner? I don't know. I mean, that's the only thing I could think of that was shiny.

Kevin: The Time-Turner definitely is in it, because...

Laura: Yeah, I know that, but that's the only thing I can think of that was like, I don't know. A treasure.

Micah: The problem is that they're going to be such obscure items, in my opinion. I mean, some of them will be, "Oh, wow. This has been in our face the whole time." But I think others will have mention, but they'll be very, very brief mentions. And with this whole tying to King Arthur and things like that, I'm not saying that the four things that are listed there have to be exactly what would appear in the seventh book, but it's just interesting the connection that's there.

Laura: But it could be something that has a likeness, is what you're saying, right?

Micah: Yeah, or - yeah.

Mikey: Makes sense.

Micah: I'm just saying it's too coincidental that there are these Hallows that exist in Arthurian legend. There's four of them, there's four remaining Horcruxes, and...

Andrew: Uh huh.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Make of it what you will, but I think it's just a little bit too coincidental.

Andrew: So, was there anything else that this professor had to say?

Micah: Yeah, she told me that she's sure that there's some professor out there that studies both Arthurian legend and Harry Potter, so if there's anyone out there that wants to contact us.

Andrew: Or knows someone who knows someone, or knows someone who knows someone who knows someone. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah. [laughs] Exactly. Get them in here!

Andrew: mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com.

Micah: We want to talk to you.

Andrew: Actually, e-mail micah at staff dot mugglenet dot com with their information. We'd love to talk to them, or even have them on the show. And heck, for the finder’s award, you can be on the show with them. There you go. [laughs] If you know someone who knows someone you can both be on the show and discuss it. That would be fun.

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