MuggleCast 74 Transcript



Show Intro


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[Intro music plays]

Andrew: Because we finally have a podcaster from Australia this week, this is MuggleCast Episode 74 for January 28th, 2007.

[Music continues to play]

Ben: [in a gruff voice] Welcome back to MuggleCast! I'm Rubeus Hagrid, Keeper of Games and Keys at Hogwarts.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh, boy....

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: ...did we get a lot of feedback about that last week.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: And 50 other reasons not to listen to MuggleCast.

Kevin: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Actually, I'm Ben Schoen, by the way. I was doing the wonderful Hagrid impression. I'm sorry, okay? I didn't mean to offend anybody. It was just – it was in good fun, I had done the joke before. I wasn't making fun of Robbie Coltrane's weight by saying that there's Burger King and Dairy Queen and all these places on set. I wasn't trying to make fun of a British accent. I was just having a good time.

Andrew: I think what upset most people who did complain – I think we got more good feedback than we did bad, to be completely honest with you.

Eric: Really?

Andrew: But – yeah. I really think so. What most people were upset about was that we hyped it up a week beforehand, so we won't be doing that again for things such as... [laughs]

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: ...a Rubeus Hagrid interview.

Ben: But some of them...

Andrew: Although we did cut down on some hyping that we had planned.

Ben: Well, we tried to make it really obvious. If you go back and listen to that show, when we said that, "This is a huge interview; the biggest person to ever be on a Harry Potter podcast."

Micah: Yeah, it was very sarcastic.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah. Yeah, so – so we're sorry.

Andrew: So it's – yeah.

Ben: If you got Punk'd, we're sorry for punking you.

Andrew: Now that we got that out of the way, though, welcome back, everyone, to another edition of MuggleCast. We've got a great show for everyone – more JK Rowling quotes to discuss, and also a little discussion on death. It's going to be a little sad. But I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I am Ben Schoen.

Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.



News


Andrew: Micah Tan, the MuggleCast anchor newsman, is standing by in the MuggleCast news center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Micah!

Micah: A few months ago, Dan Radcliffe and Warwick Davis's guest appearance on the British television series, Extras, ran on UK TV. HBO will be airing this episode for the first time in the United States on tonight at 10 PM, Eastern.

And we previously informed you that 2006 was Britain's best-recorded year for filming, with a total of £840 million being spent. However, new figures suggest little of this is being used in Scotland. Although Harry Potter is predominantly set in Scotland, only small portions of the film are actually shot there. Just $100,000 of Order of the Phoenix's $150 million budget were used.

Two pallets containing 3,000 copies of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages have been stolen. The books, which were due to be recycled, were taken from The Recycling Company at Port Talbot's docks in the UK.

The Guardian on Saturday wrote about the obstacles faced by Harry Potter translators such as the invented words, prophecies, rhymes, and general wordplay. The article also notes translators come under pressure in countries where the quality of second-language English is high, causing many to buy the original version, instead.

The BBC has announced that they will be launching a new reality series later this year in search of a "real" Harry Potter. The show will follow young students studying magic at a boarding school as they face off, showing their skills at varying card tricks and illusions. Someone will leave the show each week until only one remains and becomes the The Sorcerer's Apprentice. That is Laura Mallory's biggest nightmare.

And speaking of Laura Mallory, for the first time since she embarked on a relentless campaign to remove Potter from Gwinnett County's school libraries in August of 2005, Laura Mallory has spoken out in detail about her motives. In a new article found in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, she slams myths such as, "This is a one-woman fight," and, "Witchcraft is just harmless fantasy." She writes that young children have been indoctrinated into witchcraft, causing their lives to be ruined. In response to the question, "Do you believe Harry Potter promotes Wicca?" JKR replied back in a 2001 interview with this:

"That's not true. Not once has a child come up to me and said, 'Due to you I've decided to devote my life to the occult.' People underestimate children so hugely. They know it is fiction. When people are arguing from that kind of standpoint, I don't think reason works tremendously well. But I would be surprised if some of them had read the books at all."

What a coincidence! Laura Mallory hasn't read the books!

Jo went on to say:

"Witches and wizards are a huge part of children's literature; it'll never go away. Hundred years, two hundred years' time there'll be another kind of wizard story."

And if you’ve got something to say, you can now contact Mrs. Mallory at her website, the link provided on MuggleNet.com.

That’s all the news for this January 28th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.



Podcasting From Sunday


Andrew: Okay, thank you, Micah!

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: Eric, you are podcasting, this week, from a new location.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: You might be the first podcaster...

Ben: From Sunday! He's podcasting from Sunday!

Andrew: [laughs] From Sunday, yeah.

Eric: From the future.

Andrew: Podcasting from the future! Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: From the near future, actually, yes.

Andrew: Eric, where are you?

Eric: I am in New Zealand.

Andrew: Oooh!

Eric: Oooh!

Andrew: You are going to be studying in England...

[Ben and Eric laugh]

Andrew: ...or New Zealand... [laughs]

Eric: New Zealand. Yes. It's kind of close. New Zealand's a Commonwealth country, which means...

Andrew: How long are you going to be there?

Eric: Well – uh, probably...

Andrew: I mean grand total, not just approximate.

Eric: Yeah. I would say probably – I would say for the Bachelor of Arts, which I'm going for at Victoria University, here in the capital city of New Zealand, Wellington, three years, Bachelor of Arts. Yeah.

Andrew: Three years. Wow. [laughs]

Kevin: Now everyone can stalk you. [laughs]

Eric: Three years. So...

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, it's true. They can go onto vuw.ac.nz and, you know, see where I'm going.

Ben: Now, is this a public university?

Eric: It's – yeah. It's public.

Ben: Now, are degrees international?

Kevin: Yeah.

Ben: If you get a Bachelor's of Arts there...

Kevin: Yeah, of course.

Ben: ...is it still going to apply in the US?

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, it is. But it's for... There are, like, there – I guess under ten universities in New Zealand for tertiary education, which is like colleges, you know, unis? And this is a very large one. They get international students from a lot of Asia, actually, and America, and stuff. So, it's actually a big school. Very international, very cool. I like it a lot. It's very beautiful, too.

Andrew: So, how far ahead in time are you? Time-zone wise. What is it, 18 hours?

Eric: Eighteen hours? Yeah, I think – yeah. Right now, it's 18 hours. It might switch, go back to 17...

Andrew: From the East Coast, anyway.

Eric: Yeah. From the East Coast, if you subtract – what, six hours? And then add a day from Eastern Standard Time, that's what time it is in New Zealand.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: In...

Andrew: Very cool.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So it's 9:00 AM there, it's 3:30 here.

Eric: That's correct.

Andrew: Well, it's 9:30 there.

Eric: It is 9:30, yeah.

Andrew: Well, good morning to you.

Ben: Good – yeah.

Andrew: Top o' the morning to you.

Ben: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: Oh, well thank you, Andrew. Anyway, I won't talk about it anymore, I know we've got a show to get to, but I did want to mention one thing that I find cool. That – it's a trend I just want to start Americans doing, so when I come back in three years for good, people do it everywhere. When you give a – when they give a web address here, right? They have the – you know, web addresses, typically the URL begins with "www." Well, actually, here if they're giving a web address they just say "dub dub dub."

Andrew: That's what I always say.

Eric: So, you know, we promote MuggleNetMuggleCast, we should say "dub dub dub dot MuggleNet dot com." That sounds so much cooler, I think...

Ben: Ah, I don't know.

Eric: ...than saying "w-w-w-w-w".

Ben: I think "dub-ya."

[Kevin laughs]

Ben: Dub-ya, dub-ya, dub-ya.

Eric: [laughs] Dub-ya, dub-ya, dub-ya.

Andrew: How about "W cubed"?

Ben: Yeah, or...

Eric: "W-w"...

Ben: Wooh, wooh...

Eric: Well, okay. What I'm saying is there's a...

Ben: [laughs] [speaking quickly] Wuh, wuh, wuh.

Andrew: [speaking quickly] Wuh, wuh, wuh. [laughs]

Eric: ... range – there's a whole range...

Ben: [speaking quickly] Wuh, wuh, wuh dot.

Eric: ...and it's inspired me to give web addresses differently. So, I don't know, maybe people find that cool. People at home.

Andrew: I say "dub, dub, dub" sometimes, actually.

Ben: No you don't.

Eric: Really?

Andrew: Yeah I do. Not to you. I have. I used to.

[Andrew, Ben, and Kevin laugh]

Andrew: Anyway...

Eric: Yeah, it is common practice. And they have the letter "w," but when they're giving it in a web address – it makes it cooler and faster. So, I thought I would mention that.

Andrew: Neato. Thanks for that.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: You know what's interesting, though? We actually got an e-mail this week asking for somebody to be on our show that podcasts from Australia, since I know there is a lot of listeners out there.

[Kevin laughs]

Micah: So, we're glad we could accommodate you.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: There you go. [laughs]

Eric: Yes. You sent me here, you paid for my college, just to please the Australians.

Andrew: The fans, yeah.

Eric: No, but, people at home, do not worry, people in America. I am coming to Prophecy and stuff, so none of that...

Andrew: Oh, [sighs in relief] phew, good. I was starting to get scared. [laughs]

[Andrew, Kevin, and Micah laugh]

Eric: Oh, yeah. You guys were...

Ben: I was freaking, too.

Eric: Well no, I'll still be doing that. And if there is a Book 7 release in the next three years, which is...

Andrew: Imminent.

Eric: ... you know, maybe possible, then – what are we doing then? England? Book release? We did say...

Ben: We haven't decided yet.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Eric: A few years ago Jamie, Emerson and I said we would do one in England. So...

Ben: Well, I know.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Since what you said three years ago is...

Andrew: [laughs] Is the..

Ben: ... binding. It's binding.

[Andrew, Ben and Eric laugh]

Andrew: But, anyways...

Eric: All right, guys.



Apology


Andrew: You know, speaking of England, I accidentally insulted – without meaning to – insulted England and Canada last week. I said something about those countries...

Ben: [laughs] You insulted them?

Andrew: I did. I said that they were stupid countries, but what I forgot to keep in was the part where I was saying I was just kidding.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: And I really was, I did not mean anything by it. So, anyone who was offended by that last week, I whole-heartedly apologize...

Ben: We're really dumb Americans.

Andrew: ...I really don't think they're stupid countries.

Ben: We're just dumb Americans.

Andrew: Don't take – yeah, and I'm sarcastic all the time. Don't take anything that I say seriously.



Announcements


Andrew: We'd like to remind everyone that we are going to be at Prophecy. Full podcast details haven't been worked out yet, but we'll get you guys those as soon as possible. It'll probably be released in the form of a Leaky Mug. And, also, there is the Decade of Enchantment Ball, and we wanted to remind everyone that tickets are sold out. However, on the website and to us, they said that they are looking into selling more tickets at a later date. So if you were hoping to go to the Yule Ball and you haven't signed up for Prophecy yet...

Ben: Your dreams aren't dead yet.

Andrew: ...then – yeah. Kevin actually missed out; he registered a little too late.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: So, we're going to try to get him in if he wants to.

Kevin: I'll break in.

Ben: So, folks, Kevin Steck, Kevin Steck is looking for a date, so...

Andrew: Hmmm. Yes, he is.

Kevin: Yeah, you're bringing Andrew, right, Ben?

Ben: [laughs] Actually I'm...

Eric: Yeah. No, I heard that you and Jamie and Ben were going in a threesome?

Andrew: That's my plan. I hope...

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: I hope those other two are still sticking with it.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Ben, you haven't found a date yet, right?

Ben: Dude, I have so many fangirls, man. They just flock all over me. They just flock all over me. I...

Andrew: Yeah. Also, Enlightening 2007, Ben, Jamie, Micah and I will be there mid-July – actually, the release date of the Order of the Phoenix film, we'll be there doing a live podcast. I was actually there yesterday, meeting with Vicki who is running Enlightening 2007, and it's actually pretty cool. The place we're going to be doing the podcast from is like this theater style, old – it looks like an old theatre – old-style theatre. It's actually really cool. And, also, the place where they are having the Great Feast is actually – it looks like the Great Hall. It actually looks just like the Great Hall, with the tall windows and everything. So it is pretty cool and it's going to be a lot of fun.

Ben: Something else – something else interesting. Andrew and I discussed this a few days ago. Since that's the day the movie comes out we were thinking perhaps after we get done doing the workshop and doing the podcast, maybe we could go see the movie with all of you. I mean, there's nothing set in stone, but there's something...

Andrew: Well, no, they're having a movie premiere there.

Ben: Are they really? Oh, I just made this stuff up... [laughs]

Eric: That's pretty cool.

Ben: Forget I talked about that. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] I know, I was going to say – yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, so they're going to have a movie premiere there, so we'll go to that. So, if anyone is interested we encourage you to visit Enlightening2007.org for more information. It's going to be a great event, and there is going to be lots of Harry Potter discussion going on. There is also going to be a workshop hosted by Ben, Jamie and I about how to create your own podcast. We have 30 people signed up for that right now, so we look forward to meeting all of them, and we're going to give you a behind-the-scenes look at how we make MuggleCast. So, it's going to be a lot of fun.

Kevin: What's the website?

Andrew: Enlightening2007.org at the University of Pennsylvania. There are actually photos on my Flickr. I'm not going to link to them, but if anyone wants to check those out, AndrewSimz.com. [clears throat] Anyway, we have a few e-mails, now, to get to this week, and then we'll get on to our main discussion. Micah, you want to read the first one?



Listener Rebuttal: Albania


Micah: Sure. The first one's from Sarah, 15, from Tennessee. She's writing in about Bertha Jorkins. She says:

"In Episode 73, you said that Bertha went missing in Romania. She actually went missing in Albania. That's where Voldemort's hiding place was before he had a 'body'. I hope you have a very 'Harry' day." So...

Ben: Sorry!

Andrew: Thanks for clearing that up for us, Sarah.



Listener Rebuttal: Krum is Bulgarian


Ben: I'll read the next one. Savannah, 15, from Ellicott City, Maryland, writes about Krum's nationality. "Hey MuggleCasters. I couldn't help but noticing that in MuggleCast Episode 73 you kept saying that Krum was Romanian..."

[laughs] "...but he is part of the Bulgarian Quidditch team, making me think that he is most likely Bulgarian. Just wanted to point this out. I love your show! Keep up the good work."

Eric: [laughs] All right, now you guys...

Ben: [laughs] So, I guess Romania is just everything.

[Eric sighs]

Ben: Just replace everything with Romania.

Eric: You guys have struck gold. Romania is everything, but this time it actually shares a border with Bulgaria. So you guys are in luck.

Ben: Sorry about that. We just – we're just in love with Romania, I guess.

Andrew: We were – we were thinking on our feet with that discussion. We had to – yeah, we weren't on top of our Bulgarian game, if you know what I'm saying.



Listener Rebuttal: The Wand in Ollivander's


Ben: Janelle Heaney...

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: ... who writes from San Francisco Bay, California, about Episode 73; finding the Horcruxes per book.

"Hello! First of all I'd like to express my deep appreciation for you all. It is your podcast that keeps me sane during my long commute to school on Bart. On the topic of finding a Horcrux in each book, has anyone brought up the short scene inSorcerer's Stone in which Harry first walks into Ollivander's, in which 'a single wand lay on a faded purple cushion in the dusty window'? Page 82 of the US hardback. Thank you for everything!"

Andrew: Ooh, very interesting.

Ben: And, by the way, many – a lot of people sent this in, just assuming that that's Ravenclaw's wand.

Andrew: That's very interesting. I kind of like that. But why would it be Ravenclaw's?

Ben: Because you need something from Ravenclaw? Right, Micah?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. But I don't know. Maybe, just to play devil's advocate, maybe it was just a wand that they were featuring. Like, [cheesy voice] on sale now, hey!

Ben: Yeah, but, well... JK Rowling doesn't really – when she draws attention to something like that, you know what I mean? It's not – it's usually significant. She is not going to draw attention to a special wand on sale, I don't think.

Andrew: That's true.

Eric: Hmmm...

Andrew: That's true.

Eric: If you think of the main purpose of wands as being academic, kind of, as in furthering your study of magic and stuff like that, it would be really cool if Ollivander had had, you know, Ravenclaw's wand, and if that were the one in display. That would just kind of be cool because, you know, people might not know it, and I'm sure he probably wouldn't, you know, put a plaque saying, "Ravenclaw's Wand," just in case people know about Horcruxes or are looking for it, but, you know, it would be kind of cool if that turned out to be a Horcrux, but...

Andrew: Very interesting. Thank you, Janelle.



Listener Rebuttal: Counting Horcruxes


Ben: Mitch from Orange County writes about the Horcruxes again.

"I sent you a voicemail earlier, but I wanted to go into more detail than I could in a 30 second message. JK Rowling has said many times that Dumbledore is never far off from the mark. I think that means we can take 95% of what he has as fact and true. I therefore extend this to his thought on the Horcruxes. Dumbledore says that Voldemort split his soul into seven parts. It is logical to presume that the parts are as follows: one, the diary; two, the ring; three, the locket; four, Nagini; five, unknown; six, unknown; and seventh is still in Voldemort, as he needs to live. Numbers one, two, and seven are all gone. Number one was destroyed by Harry. Number two was destroyed by Albus. Number seven was destroyed the night Harry tried to kill Voldemort. That leaves four..."

Eric: The other way.

Ben: "...Horcruxes remaining."

That's what I mean. Voldemort tried to kill Harry. [laughs]

"That leaves four Horcruxes remaining: the locket, Nagini, and two unknowns. Why make a Horcrux? So, that it can be used to return to life. We know that he has indeed returned. Wouldn't this have required him to use one of the Horcruxes? I therefore think that only three remain. That would be: one, the locket at Grimmauld Place; two, Nagini; and three, an unknown item. Albus has told Harry about Nagini. I think he'll learn about the locket from Kreacher. That means there's only one left for him to figure out. What do you all think about this? I really hope you use this on your show. This is something that's been festering in my mind ever since Half-Blood Prince came out and I don't recall you ever looking at it from this angle. Thanks, and I look forward to hearing your answer. Mitch."

Micah, what do you think about all of the Horcruxes? Do you think that there's only one unknown, or are there two unknowns?

Micah: I mean, I would only bank on the ones that we know 100%, like the diary, the ring, the locket, and then the cup, we know for sure. I don't see him mentioning that in there at all, did he?

Ben: No, he didn't.

Andrew: No.

Micah: When he lists them? And I mean, Dumbledore seemed pretty certain, and we had that flashback scene with Hepzibah Smith, so I just think that what he's trying to get at is maybe there is one that's already been used that we don't know about, going back to Goblet of Fire, when he was...

Ben: Well, I think he's talking about...

Micah: ...reborn.

Ben: Yeah, that one. That he had to use that one.

Micah: Because how does he come back to life without latching onto one of his Horcruxes? So, was something used that we don't know about, that we didn't pay any attention to?

Eric: Well, would he have had to use another Horcrux to come back to life? I mean, I was under the impression that that was the bit of soul that was, you know, that, without a body for the longest time, was in Quirrell, and then later got, you know, this little, crumpled baby body. The spell, or the potion they brewed with Wormtail involving the bones of the father, blood of a servant, and, you know, hand of a servant given willingly, whatever it was. I just got the impression that that was just, you know, the spell that or the potion that gave him a full corporal body, like, a full - like, that's what did it. I don't think there was a Horcrux involved, I think that potion was just strong enough.

Ben: Well, doesn't - he still has to have a bit of soul, though.

Eric: Like, what do you mean?

Ben: Because, when Harry killed - when the curse rebounded and he got killed that night, that piece of soul was gone, right?

Eric: No, it wasn't gone.

Ben: So...

Eric: That piece of soul became the Voldemort that was in exile for...

Ben: No, no, how - no, no, no, no.

Eric: ... ten, thirteen years.

Ben: No, otherwise, then, Voldemort couldn't be killed, period.

Kevin: Right. Yeah, Ben is right.

Eric: What do you mean?

Ben: So, he'd have to use, he would have had to use another piece of soul.

Kevin: Yeah, the only reason why he was still alive is because other pieces of soul were holding him to...

Eric: Well, no, the fact that he had six or seven Horcruxes at that time was enough to keep his - the soul that was in his body, alive. I don't think the soul that was in his body ever died.

Ben: No. Why wouldn't it?

Eric: Because, that part of Voldemort was the Voldemort that was not in any other Horcrux. That part of Voldemort, you know? Are you saying that, you know, the minute he was killed by the curse rebounding, you know, another piece of Voldemort's soul popped out of the - Hepzibah Smith's cup, and just flew around for ten years in Albania?

Ben: What's so, what's so out there about that?

Eric: Well, no, I just, I was under the impression that - I mean, that's it. I was just under the impression that the part in Voldemort's body was the one that was, you know?

Ben: I just don't know how he could survive. I mean, if the killing curse can't destroy him...

Eric: Well, that's the whole point.

Ben: Right, but the killing curse...

Eric: Why would he even make...

Ben: ...the killing curse can't do it. The only reason he survived was because of the Horcruxes.

Eric: Well, the existence of the Horcruxes. It doesn't say anything about he had to revert to the Horcruxes to do it.

Ben: Well, then, what point would there be to split your soul?

Eric: Because if you split it in seven equal parts, you have something really cool going for you.

Ben: Yeah, but you have to use those pieces of soul if you die.

Eric: Right, but having the pieces of soul as a backup or something… I mean, we don't know because Voldemort... We don't know if he achieved the number seven, we don't know if having them - because, the whole point, you've got to remember, about Horcruxes, about splitting your soul, is to keep them safe and also ensure, like, immortality. So, if you have a certain - I mean, it would, it makes sense both ways, because it just makes sense to me that he didn't die that night. He lost his body and became this shriveled-up, he doesn't even know what he was. I mean, if you read the graveyard scene in Book 4, he talks all about this. He was - he was less than nothing, but he was still alive.

Ben: Micah, Micah, Micah.

Eric: He was just without a body.

Ben: What do you think?

Micah: Just going off of what Eric said, I think his soul left his body that night, and it sort of wandered around, but my point with Goblet of Fire was that I thought no spell, no potion, could, sort of, reawaken the dead, but I guess Voldemort wasn't really dead in that sense.

Eric: No, he wasn't dead at all.

Micah: I'm just having a hard time believing that the potion was what brought him back to life. I thought in order for him to come back to life, he would need to reattach to one of his Horcruxes.

Eric: He wasn't dead, and the other thing, too, is the Horcruxes are just pieces of soul. Horcruxes have nothing to do with a body. He needed a body, and somehow, he had gotten that little, you know, baby's crumpled-up, you know, carcass-type body, but he was still, he was alive at the time when Wormtail put him into the tub. He just needed - I mean, he was alive. He just had a little bit of a body, and he needed a better body, so he turned - you know, he created his body. That’s what that ceremony was for. That potion was for the blood of his – the bones of his father, so that he would get his own gene structure back into it, and then Harry’s, the immunity to Harry’s by using his blood, and then, you know, the thing of a servant. I think that was a dark spell to give him a body, but he was alive. It wasn’t necessarily a thing that brought him back to life; it just gave him a full, male, [pronounces “Ralph Fiennes” three different ways] Ralph-Fiennes body. Sexy body. Ralph Fiennes.

Andrew: I agree with that.

Eric: If you want to go look up Ralph Fiennes, go do that.

Ben: I just don't see the point in making the Horcruxes would be - if those are the steps that he took to ensure his immortality. So, he would have to have lost a piece of soul that night; otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for him to have made the Horcruxes.

Eric: Well, no. It would, Ben, because if you were to do that again, if you were to try and kill Voldemort as he is now, the existence of the other Horcruxes would keep his soul alive.

Ben: Why?

Eric: Again, you would kill his body, but until you got rid of all the other Horcruxes, of all the little encapsulated pieces of soul...

Ben: But you'd have to use one, though. You'd have to use one of the Horcruxes, then.

Eric: Well, I kind of see what you're saying, but...

Ben: That piece of soul would no longer - that's the one that he's using now, if that makes any sense.

Kevin: I'm guessing that what it is, is that, in order to kill a Horcrux, you have to specifically do something to the Horcrux, so in the case of the spell rebounding on Voldemort, because those steps weren't taken, that piece of the soul wasn't destroyed.

Ben: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he wasn't - once you use the Horcrux - okay, a Horcrux is an inanimate object, okay? It could be my shoe. Okay? There wasn't a shoe that needed to be destroyed inside Voldemort. Voldemort has already used that Horcrux. You know what I mean?

Kevin: Yeah, but aren't they...

Ben: He already had a piece of soul in him. You didn't have to take any steps to destroy the soul. Destroying the soul is itself, but destroying the Horcrux as an inanimate object is different than destroying a human being’s soul. A soul that is actually possessing a person, as opposed to a soul that is possessing my shoe.

Eric: Yeah, I agree with that.

Kevin: Yeah, but I don't - no, but, no - what I'm saying is that I don't think that they're used like you're thinking. I don't think it's like a get out of jail free card you die once, and you...

Eric: You have to throw in the card.

Kevin: Exactly.

Eric: Because then you could just try to kill Voldemort seven times, and...

Kevin: Exactly.

Eric: ...and then he would die.

Ben: No, no you wouldn't. No, because...

Eric: Because every time he died, he would have to use a Horcrux, and there would be none left and he would die.

Ben: But he couldn't kill him seven times.

Eric: Well you could cast Avada Kedavra in his general direction.

Ben: You'd have to use a Horcrux. You'd have to use a Horcrux. Otherwise, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. Fans, fans! Write in and agree with me, here, because I don’t think...

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I think – I think I'm making sense.

Kevin: Yeah, but I think if you read about Horcruxes, the Horcrux bound him to the earth. That's the only thing holding him, but they're not used up when he dies.

Eric: That's the only thing he did.

Kevin: They're still there; they're just holding him there.

Andrew: Are you saying Voldemort has a huge flaw in his plan? Are you saying that if you just killed him seven times, he'd be - he'd die?

Kevin: That's what Ben is implying. Yeah.

Eric: That's what Ben - Ben's trail of logic, yeah.

Ben: No.

Eric: Yeah, if you followed the logic, that's what happens, because if you use up a Horcrux every time you're killed, then Voldemort only - somebody has to cast Avada Kedavra and aim very well seven times for him to die, and that's a little bit easier than going around searching for these Horcruxes about Voldemort's past and the history of Hogwarts and crap.

Ben: No, but it is not as easy as just killing him seven times, though.

Eric: No, admittedly, but that would be all you'd have to do, so why is Dumbledore sending Harry on this whole find the Horcruxes first thing? So you only have to kill him once or...

Ben: Yeah, absolutely. Why else?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Well...

Andrew: It would take him much longer to kill him seven times - to find him and kill him seven times, because every time you kill him, he's going to go off somewhere else, right? And then you've got to find him over and over again.

Eric: Dumbledore could barely get through one of, well, two of, I should say, because he got the ring, but the whole cave thing was just protection around one...

Ben: Okay...

Andrew: Horcrux.

Eric: Horcrux.

Ben: Hold on; let's clarify things here. We're arguing over whether or not...

Kevin: A Horcrux is used when he dies.

Ben: Okay, a Horcrux is actually - do you use the Horcruxes, or does the Horcruxes just allow him to stay on the earth, basically. Right?

Eric: Yeah. Did Voldemort's soul - was the part of Voldemort's soul that was in his body destroyed when he tried to kill Harry, or was it just thrown from his body, his body was destroyed when the house was blown up, and his soul was the soul that was in Albania for 13 years finding Bertha Jorkins and all sorts of stuff. And the soul that came back to Hogwarts in the back of Quirrell’s head.

Andrew: Well, should we just leave it at this and ask the fans what they think?

Ben: Yeah, because I think it's too tie-all for us.

Andrew: We'll - I'm sure we'll get proved wrong.

[Kevin laughs]

Ben: I'll get proved wrong.

Andrew: Ben, you'll have to worry about it next week. Well, right. That too. So e-mail in your thoughts to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com.

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