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Andrew: Because we're more interesting than adding friends on Myspace, this is MuggleCast Episode 78 for February 24, 2007.

[Music continues to play]

Jamie: They did some car crash research, okay, into the causes of car crashes. And in most of the states, the final words of the people in the car were, "Oh no," or something like that, but in Kansas - hello, Ben...

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Jamie: The final words of the people were, "Hold my beer, I'm going to try something."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh!

Jamie: May I say, may I say - I have to thank my housemate Tom on pain of death for that joke. So, thank you.

Andrew: You know, I actually heard Ben say that once, but I guess that's for another time. Jamie, where have you been?

Jamie: I've been all over the place. America...

Andrew: The fans are not happy.

Jamie: England - well, I have, you know...

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: I've been extremely busy, I've been all over the place. However, I come back and I see a new person has arrived. One person who I haven't done a show before with ever. Right, Mikey?

Andrew: Well, see...

Mikey: Yeah, right.

Andrew: You might remember that the last time you recorded was actually when you were here, and I don't know if you remember, but after that show there was a little bit of a fall out with Ben. So, we actually fired him and this is his new replacement.

Jamie: I heard it was sort of a punch up more than a fall out. Didn't he...

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Yeah. Well, I think he left to go watch The OC actually, yeah.

Andrew: Ah, yes. The OC tonight, the big season finale is tonight.

Micah: No, series finale.

Andrew: That's why - series?

Eric: Series.

Jamie: Series finale, isn't it, because it's all over?

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Holy crap.

Mikey: Series, it's done. There's no more OC after it. I live in the OC, so I know.

Jamie: So you can just open your window, Mikey, can't you?

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Yeah. I'm looking out the window right now, you know, I see what's going on.

Andrew: So, are you going to get kicked out of town tomorrow or what?

Eric: [over Andrew] You're going to go outside tomorrow morning to get the paper... [trails off]

Mikey: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, well.

Eric: There will just be a white line on the horizon. That's tomorrow afternoon.

Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: And I'm Mikey Bouchereau.

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Andrew: Micah Tan the MuggleCast Anchor-Man is in the studio with the past weeks top Harry Potter news stories. Micah!

Micah: Thanks, Grand Master Andrew.

EA, the maker of the Harry Potter videogames, has released details on the production of the upcoming Order of the Phoenix videogame.

WB Interactive Entertainment stated, "Working with EA, we look forward to offering fans the most authentic Harry Potter game to date, one which captures the compelling story of the fiction and high visual quality of the movie."

Last week we told you about LEGO's plans for a new Hogwarts Castle set to coincide with the Order of the Phoenix film release. Our friends over at have now informed us that this is the only set planned to be released in 2007.

This is the first time that LEGO has only created one set to go along with a Potter movie. Goblet of Fire saw four sets released alongside the film.

Speaking of Goblet of Fire, High-Definition TV News has a very positive review of the recently released Goblet of Fire High-Definition DVD. The review stated that "Goblet of Fire is possibly one of the best HD transfers to date, with clean crisp pictures looking stunning and at times almost 3D like in quality. The whole experience is an assault on the senses that will leave you demanding more of the same."

New photos have surfaced from Daniel Radcliffe's appearance in Equus, also new photos from Order of the Phoenix, you can take a look at Tonks, the Young Marauders, and Snape. All of them are available over on

Michael Riedel of the New York Post recently posted his thoughts on Equus and notes that the production is already being considered for Broadway. Riedel says:

"The London revival of Peter Shaffer's powerful drama about a teenage boy who takes off his clothes and blinds horses began previews on Friday, but it has caused so much buzz that producers already are planning to bring it to Broadway in the fall. One problem, however, tends to be the length of Equus. It clocks in at nearly three hours, which is a bit of a slog, according to London theater sources who sneaked in early because they couldn't wait to get a look at John Napier's stunning set."

And as of late, many British tabloids have falsely reported that Warner Brothers was displeased with Daniel Radcliffe's decision to perform in the play Equus. A WB spokesperson has in response to these claims issued the following statement:

"Daniel Radcliffe is an extremely talented actor, as well as a great collaborator and friend to Warner Brothers Pictures. We've had great experiences working with him on our films and fully support any artistic choices he makes as an actor."

Finally, we're thrilled to announce that's What Will Happen in Harry Potter 7, written entirely by MuggleNet staff, has been selected as an Editors' Choice by The New York Times Book Review! More than 100,000 copies of the book have been printed.

That's all the news for this February 24, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show!

Andrew: Thank you, Micah.

Micah: You're welcome, Andrew.

Andrew: Micah, we have a few things to discuss this week concernig news.

Micah: Do we?

Andrew: But I wanted to point out... Yes, but I wanted to point out...

Jamie's Thoughts on the Release Date

Andrew: We've been getting a lot of e-mails lately, saying, "Where can I get the links in the - to all the pictures that you guys talk about on the show?" Just go to and you'll see all the past, like, 20 stories or so, and usually we'll talk about everything on the MuggleNet main page, so you'll be able to find the links there. But, Jamie, you have not been on for so long, that we have not heard your thoughts on the release date.

Jamie: Oh, okay.

Andrew: What do you think about - what do you think about it?

Jamie: Well, you know...

Andrew: A mere eight days!

Jamie: I think it's, I think it's extremely weird, but I was holding out for a 2008 release, so I'm kind of upset about it. I think it's just weird for, you know, a few reasons. Like, putting them so close together. I know people say it's going to up the hype for both of them, and it's going to be a "Harry Potter summer," but, you know, it's the...

Andrew: "Summer to remember," in the words of Dylan Spartz.

Jamie: Yeah. Oh, yes, it is going to be a summer to remember, but it's the, sort of, high before the, you know, fall. It's going to be a huge summer, and then it's going to be nothing, whereas, I think I'd rather see it spread out with like, it next year. And also, I seem - I've had a few e-mails telling me that I said that if it was...

Andrew: [laughs] I was just going to bring that up.

Jamie: ...released in 2007 - oh, right, I would have to eat...

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: ...50 sausages, which I seem to remember, I actually said that if Harry died, I'd have to do that.

Andrew: Well, actually, I checked in the transcripts, and you said, you've said both. And...

Jamie: Well, Micah was wrong when he transcribed it, then. I'm sorry, Micah.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Do your job properly.

[Micah and Eric laugh]

Andrew: Jamie, I'm afraid you're going to have to hold up your end of the deal, here...

Mikey: Hey, Jamie...

Andrew: ...and, you know, eat 50 sausages. When do you want to do this?

Mikey: Jamie, what kind of sausages did you want?

Jamie: I want the huge ones, Mikey.

Mikey: [laughs] The Polish ones, or the...

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: We meant to eat for the bet, Jamie.

Jamie: I want the German five-footers.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: No, I don't know. I'll have to do it sometime, but I - do you know, I was going to ask if... Do you think - can I just go double or nothing? And then if Harry...

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: ...dies, I'll eat 100, and then if...

Andrew: I think that's fair.

Jamie: ...he lives, I'll eat nothing.

Andrew: I think that's fair.

Jamie: Because, to be fair, if I ate 50 sausages, I'd die and...

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Jamie: ...the book's coming out now, but Harry isn't going to die, so I've got a pretty safe bet there. And I shouldn't...

Eric: You...

Jamie: ...have said that, because now everyone's going to say no. Sorry?

Eric: You should've thought about this before you say these things.

Jamie: Yeah, I should.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: I don't think...

Mikey: Jamie, I got your back, yo, but you've got to - because Harry's eventually going to die, because we discussed this already, that he will die. So, if he dies in the context of the Voldemort-Harry fight, correct?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Jamie: Yes.

Mikey: I'm just saying, man, because eventually, everybody dies. So...

Jamie: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: If he's lying in his bed and has a heart attack, then no, I'm not eating those 50 sausages.

Micah: Well, Jamie.

Jamie: Not a single one. Yeah?

Micah: This is why you haven't been on the show, right? Once she put out the release date, you just crawled into a corner and cried yourself...

Jamie: Yeah, I did. I did.

Micah: ...for hours, days.

Jamie: I went to a sausage-free place for five weeks so I didn't have to think of them.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: How did you survive?

Jamie: I don't know.

Eric: Sausagephobia.

Jamie: Yeah.

New OOTP Pictures

Andrew: So, anyway, moving along. We got a couple of new Order of the Phoenix photos this week from the film. Again, more from and These guys are getting some "unauthorized pictures," in the words of WB.

Eric: Some serious love.

Andrew: I still don't know where they're getting them from, but anyway. We saw a picture of young Snape. You guys see this yet?

Micah: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: What do you think? Maybe it's the quality of the picture, but...

Jamie: It looks like...

Andrew: It looks fake. [laughs]

Jamie: He looks like a Snape with just a younger face. It doesn't look like...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: ...a young Snape, because if you take, sort of, you know, like an older person, take their face off, and put a younger face on it, they still look like the older person. You know, your hair doesn't just remain the same. It's just like - I think it shouldn't, he shouldn't have long, black hair. He should have, like, middle-length hair, or sort of, shorter hair, just to show that he's, you know...

Andrew: Young.

Jamie: And, and, and - yeah. Don't get started on how bad James looks.

Eric: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, god.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That's what I'd like to change it to. What is he, blond?

Andrew: What do you think of that, Eric? I know.

Jamie: Yeah, basically.

Eric: What, bleach it blond? I mean...

Andrew: There's something to it. Young Sirius, though, I think is great, although again, it looks like he has the same exact hair...

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Gary Oldman does.

Eric: Well, yeah, very similar from the Azkaban photo, anyway.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: I don't know, James just...

Andrew: And...

Eric: Which one's Pettigrew and which one's Lupin? I guess Lupin's like...

Andrew: Pettigrew's the right, there.

Micah: I don't know if Lupin's in the picture.

Andrew: He's the one with the mullet.

Mikey: Yeah, like, isn't that James? That's James, not Lupin, next to Sirius, right?

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: Or is it Lupin? Do we know for sure?

Andrew: I'm guessing that...

Micah: I don't think Lupin's in that picture, unless he's sort of in the background, there.

Andrew: In the back.

Mikey: Yeah. I assumed it was James, but people were telling me that it can't be because he doesn't have black hair.

Micah: He looks like he has glasses on, though, doesn't he?

Eric: Yeah, I don't know who else it would be. It looks like he has glasses.

Andrew: Who, Wormtail?

Mikey: Yeah, there are glasses on there. I'm zooming in like, really far, but they're not really standing out.

Andrew: I don't know, I'm more concerned about young Snape, I was sort of...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: I'm not worried about young Snape.

Andrew: ...wanted one of Gary - Alan Rickman's offspring to take the part. That's what they needed to do.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: You want to do some good casting, take their kids.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, I agree.

Eric: Not just take their kids.

Jamie: Although...

Eric: Cast their kids.

Jamie: Although...

Andrew: Who cares if they're four years old, take them.

Jamie: But by that logic, Andrew, you'd have to take Daniel Radcliffe's dad and shrink him down to when he was younger.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Jamie: Or just have Daniel Radcliffe...

Andrew: Or just take Dan Radcliffe, exactly.

Mikey: With brown eyes, right?

Andrew: Exactly.

Jamie: With brown eyes, yeah. That'd be perfect.

Mikey: And no scar.

Jamie: And no scar. And no glasses, and - actually, no. Sorry, I didn't mean that. Oh, my god. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Is there a horse involved?

Jamie: And a lot of messy hair.

Mikey: Is there a horse involved?

[Andrew laughs]

Order of the Phoenix LEGOs

Andrew: Any Lego fans here?

Mikey: I'm a Lego fan.

Eric: Did they - do we have a picture of that?

Andrew: Are you? Eric, are you? I picture you as - yes, Eric, but I picture you as a Lego fan.

Eric: You're actually right.

[Jamie laughs]

Eric: I was a really, really large Lego fan, yes. I invented Star Wars LEGOs before they came out with Star Wars Legos.

Andrew: Of course you did.

Eric: I did, I'm dead serious.

Andrew: They're - I used to be a Lego fan, too, and then I grew up. But we found out today that there won't - there will only be one set related to Order of the Phoenix, which is a castle and it's going to come with several different figurines, little Lego people, including Harry, Hermione, Ron, even Luna, Dumbledore, and a few others, Snape. So it's going to be a good set, but it's only, they're only releasing one set. Seem a little weird to you, Mikey?

Jamie: What? What?

Mikey: Yeah, it does. I'm kind of sad, you know? Although, if you take a look at the book, you know, Order of the Phoenix does predominantly take place at Hogwarts, the castle, but I would love to get, you know, the Veil, or something like that, or maybe Grimmauld Place. That'd be kind of cool.

Andrew: Or how about the atrium?

Mikey: Yeah, the atrium.

Eric: Well, yeah.

Mikey: Personally, I think Grimmauld Place would be kind of cool. Grimmauld Place would be cool. I could imagine like, Sirius's mom, like a little button you push, and her just yell like, obscenities little children can have.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: That would be amazing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: It's just like one giant Lego piece. [laughs] Or you have to build her.

Jamie: Although, do you know something? There's one thing about Lego, that some of the pictures, sorry, some of the pieces look a bit weird. Like I was watching a TV show, and they said the Gandalf figure - his beard - he looks like he's eating a seal. I'm going to show you all the photo, and then put it into the show notes, alright, Andrew?

Andrew: [laughs] Oh, okay.

Jamie: Can we do that?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Okay.

Andrew: [laughs] It kind of does!

Jamie: It actually looks like he's either eating a seal or throwing it up.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: I canít decide which one.

[Mikey laughs]

Eric: The Lego sets. You're right, as far as - we need a veil room. I mean, that was what? A whole shell of stuff, and the atrium, the pictures we've seen...

Jamie: The Room of Requirement.

Eric: ...would be so colorful. The Room of Requirement and stuff Ė itís just so many opportunities. The reason I didn't like the Harry Potter Lego sets before - I mean, even the Goblet of Fire ones; they were okay - was because they kind of repeat themselves. Even this, if you look at this, there are pictures of this new version of Hogwarts Castle, and it's kind of like the same...

Andrew: Yeah, it's nothing special. It's a remake.

Eric: Yeah, it's like the same pieces, obviously, just more of them and constructed to make this thing, so it's like I would really like to see some of the other cool sets that they could make, but it seems like they're just kind of repeating themselves with some of these sets. So, I don't know.

Mikey: Yeah. It's...

Andrew: Yeah. Now we do have a little interview with one of the guys who runs He actually got a chance to check out the Lego sets.

Equus to Broadway?

Andrew: That's pretty much it for news this week. It was kind of a slow news week, you know, new pictures blah, blah, blah. What else? Equus under consideration for Broadway already.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: That's a little goofy, isn't it? Is that going to work out for Daniel Radcliffe if he's going to be filming Half-Blood Prince later this year? I don't think he's going to have time for that, so he'd have to be re-casted.

Jamie: I agree.

Andrew: Especially if he doesn't turn 18, he can't do that scene in the United States. So, at least before his birthday. After his birthday, sure.


Andrew: All right, now we have a few announcements to remind everyone about: Enlightening 2007 at the University of Pennsylvania in Philly, coming up July 12th to the 15th. It's going to be a good time. Jamie, Ben, Micah, and I will all be there to do a live podcast, and also we're going to do a workshop on podcasting and how to make your own podcast. Jamie, people want to know the secrets of podcasting, and you're going to show them how you come up with your British jokes.

Jamie: Well it's pretty Ė itís quite a tough job...

Andrew: It's complicated.

Jamie: ...really. Yeah, you need a computer; you need Google, yes...

Andrew: I told the Enlightening people we're going to need a whole day just for that part of the seminar.

Jamie: Yeah, I'd say - give it a day-and-a-half, Andrew, just to be on the safe side.

Andrew: All right. All right.

Jamie: It's pretty complicated.

Andrew: Then, also, we want to thank everyone for voting for us over at Podcast Alley. I think right now - right now, we're number two, underneath Free Talk Live. For some reason that podcast actually has listeners. So, thanks...

Jamie: What the hell is it about?

Andrew: Eh, it's free talk, I guess. I don't know. Sort of like our show.

Jamie: Well, so anyone can go on and talk about just anything?

Andrew: I guess.

Jamie: Sounds like ours...

Andrew: It's live, and it's free.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: It's probably done tastefully though.

Andrew: So if you haven't voted, just go to and click on us on the right and place your vote. We appreciate that very much, because it gives us exposure in the podcasting community, of course.

Jamie's Suitcase

Andrew: And Jamie, we never really talked about this to you - at least on the show - about giving away pieces of your suitcase.

Jamie: Oh, no.

Andrew: It's still sitting here.

Jamie: Is it?

Andrew: Yeah. It's starting to smell. Actually, it smelled when you brought it here.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: And the dead body, I don't want to get rid of it yet. I don't know what you were planning on doing with it.

Jamie: Why, is it still in your freezer?

Andrew: Well, I put it back in the suitcase. I didnít - my mom didn't appreciate it in the freezer with all the ice cream.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: But anyway, all the three winners from the Deathly Hallows theory contest winners - the three of them all claimed their prizes. One of them wants your flight ticket thing on there, and two of them want parts of the suitcase that have a part of your zipper.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Get this: I haven't told you this yet. I'm taking it into school either tomorrow or sometime next week. I'm going into the wood shop, and we're going to cut this sucker up. It's going to go on YouTube.

Jamie: Cool.

Andrew: I've hired Mr. Capello's brother, who's a wood shop teacher, to help me...

Jamie: Awesome.

Andrew: ...and it's going to be a big event. I don't know what to do with the remaining pieces.

Jamie: Eat it.

Andrew: I'm thinking of just handing them out in school randomly, or I don't know. I'm going to do something.

Eric: Save it. Sell it on eBay.

Andrew: You can have them if you want. You want them?

Jamie: No, it's okay. Really, I don't.

Andrew: As for the dead body...

Jamie: Eat it. Eat that as well.

Andrew: I will eat that. It smells good. [laughs]

UK Meetup

Andrew: Also, Jamie, we're thinking about doing a little meet-up in London.

Jamie: Yes! It will be very nice. We're going to be there on March 17th?

Andrew: Saint Patty's day!

Jamie: Huh?

Andrew: Saint Patty's day. Saint Patrickís Day..

Jamie: Yes. Exactly. Saint Patty's day. We're probably going to do something some time in the afternoon whether it be, as I wrote on the website, "an extravagant, exciting, and hunger-curing day in London," I think. Hopefully we can do that and get some food, or if something horribly goes wrong, we can just do a meet-up in a park somewhere, where surely it will rain, because it's England, so we'll have to find somewhere else, where surely we'll get chucked out, because there will be quite a few of us. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] But then we'll all go back to the hotel room.

Jamie: ...on a street corner being bored, so yeah.

Andrew: Oh, that sounds like fun. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, definitely. I'd go. Okay, and if you'd like to attend this event, whether it be hunger-curing and exciting, or boring and raining...

Andrew: On a street corner.

Jamie: Yeah, or boring and street corner-ish, then e-mail mcmeetup at gmail dot com, and hopefully, if we get enough people e-mailing, we will sort something out, and book that street corner.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: So get your e-mails in soon.

Andrew: So, and then we'll probably record a little something with the fans. I don't know, fan interviews or I don't know, something fun that we'll put on the show. So, it will be a fun time, and we look forward to seeing everyone there. We'll probably make the decision by sometime in the middle of this week, so get your RSVP in soon, including how many people you're going to be bringing with you, so we can get a good handle on how many people to expect. And then we'll e-mail everyone, Jamie, I guess? Or we'll make a post on MuggleNet or something like that.

Jamie: Yeah. Yeah, something like that.

Listener Rebuttal: Daddy Voldy

Andrew: Okay, we have a few rebuttals now. Micah, you want to take the first one?

Micah: Sure. The first rebuttal comes from Sarah, 24, of Houston, Texas. She says:

"In the latest MuggleCast, someone called in and said she wondered why Voldemort didn't consider fathering a child in order to achieve immortality. I think he never considered this, not only because he's a loner, but because of his own parents."

[Jamie laughs]

Micah: "In his eyes, his dad was a useless, gullible Muggle, and Merope, despite being of the house of Slytherin, died because she was weak. He is ashamed of where he comes from - notice that many Death Eaters don't know he's half and half - so why would he see someone from his own bloodline as important? I think a child would be useless to him because it would carry the blood of the parents who disgust him."

Jamie: Thatís a very good point.

Eric: An interesting take.

Mikey: That makes sense. Yeah, because heís not pureblood and if his whole thing is the purebloodness, and...

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: You know? Heís got the Muggle blood in - that he killed Mr. Tom Riddle, so...

Eric: Yeah, so I think heís taken it upon himself to be the best of any of his Ė of his bloodline, you know, like, instead of furthering and seeing his children are better than him, he just basically made it so that heíd be the one, so he didnít really father any children because he hates his bloodline to begin with. So, he just wants to be big and bad and...

Andrew: And end his family.

Jamie: And also heíd hate it...

Eric: ...and not worry.

Jamie: Yeah, and also the idea that he was not reliant on something, but the idea that something could, you know, something would be that close to him. I donít think he could stand it, and also, it doesnít really, you know, continue his immortality because he doesnít, as youíve all just said, consider a bloodline to be immortality. Itís just him, regardless of, you know, offspring or ancestors or anything like that.

Micah: I like how she called him "half and half," like heís some sort of milk or something.

Andrew: Cream.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Something you put in your coffee.

Eric: Voldemort cream.

Mikey: Also... Also, itís kind of like the Ė Voldemortís personality, I think heís too much of an egomaniac in the sense that he wants the immortality himself.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: He wants to live forever. He doesnít care about the kids.

Eric: Yeah, the...

Mikey: Heís not a friendly person.

Eric: The alternative methods of being immortal just simply donít interest him. And...

Mikey: No, he wants to...

Eric: I donít know, would you go to Starbucks and order a Marvolo Mocha?

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Zing!

Andrew: That was pretty good. But in the words of Freddie Mercury Ė no, I knew he was dead all along.

Jamie: No, okay, Andrew Iím going to put that...

Andrew: No, no...

Jamie: ...into the show so...

Andrew: No, no. And you know what? Hold on.

Jamie: No, I am so...

Andrew: Queen, Queen is - thereís like Ė theyíre touring again.

Jamie: Okay.

Andrew: Like theyíre getting someone else...

Jamie: Whatever.

Andrew: tour with them.

Jamie: Whatever. Still...

Andrew: So, technically I was...

Eric: But Freddy is...

Andrew: So, let me finish my thought.

Jamie: Okay.

Andrew: In the words of Freddie Mercury, "Who wants to live forever?"

Listener Rebuttal: HP Sauce and Squibs

Andrew: Anyway, the next rebuttal comes from Victoria, 25, of Chicago, concerning HP sauce. I donít have any recollection of bringing this up last week but, anyway.

"Micah, HP sauce is not Harry Potter sauce.Ē

Oh, this is why. [laughs]

"HP sauce is not 'Harry Potter' sauce as you said in the news, quoting Jason Isaacs on Episode 77. Instead, itís a British condiment a bit like steak sauce over here. I thought you might like to know."

Eric: Like A1 steak sauce?

Andrew: Is that true? You ever have HP sauce?

Jamie: Yeah, it is. Do you know that actually stands for Houses of Parliament, and I donít know why. I canít remember. But it does, and itís yeah, it's like, brown sauce or like spicy, sort of fruity, kind of thing.

Micah: Well...

Jamie: And yeah.

Micah: It worked out well. I mean - I thought he meant sauce...

Jamie: Well apart from the fact that...

Micah: some sort of gossip or whatever.

Eric: Yeah, sauce.

Micah: You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Actually Iím looking that up, Jamie.

Andrew: And then she...

Eric: Iíve had HP sauce last night for...

Jamie: It worked out well apart from the fact that you had it completely wrong.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: She goes on to say also:

"Question: can a squib attend Hogwarts? Youíd think an eleven year-old from a wizarding family that has showed no magical abilities would be sent to Hogwarts, in the hope that theyíre a late bloomer. If not, do they have to stay at home and miss the opportunity to make friends, effectively becoming a social outcast? This does not seem fair either way and may explain a lot of Filchís bitterness. I wondered what you thought."

I donít think they can attend Hogwarts.

Jamie: No...

Andrew: If you canít do magic, you canít do magic.

Jamie: Itís a magic school, yeah. Itís like a...

Andrew: Itís like what are you going to do in Transfiguration?

Jamie: Yeah, just sit there?

Andrew: Yeah.

Listener Rebuttal: Filchy

Jamie: This is from Fransisco, age 16, from Chile. Subject: Filchy.

"When I was hearing your podcast, I started thinking - couldnít Voldemort make Filch perform magic if he does something for him? Probably getting him into Hogwarts or getting him something that is in Hogwarts, maybe another Horcrux? Well, anyway, love the show, bye!"

Isnít that kind of Faust-esque, you know, selling your soul to the devil and then him...

Andrew: Basically...

Jamie: ... giving you something in return?

Andrew: Yeah, plus, Filch cares for Ė Filch is not an evil person, so...

Jamie: Right.

Andrew: ...I donít think Filch would...

Jamie: And heís loyal to Dumbledore and Hogwarts, even though he is bitter and moody and twisted.

Mikey: My question is, how could Voldemort make Filch perform magic?

Andrew: Well, thatís Ė yeah, a good question.

Mikey: Yeah, that right there...

Micah: Giving him the ability to, maybe?

Mikey: Yeah, well, thatís what it says, it says, "Voldemort - couldnít Voldemort make Filch perform magic?Ē Meaning Filch is the one performing magic.

Eric: Thatís interesting.

Mikey: Not like...

Andrew: Well, thatís what we were...

Mikey: Yeah, that right there confuses me.

Andrew: I mean, thatís what we were asking last week. What would let a squib do magic? Because we were saying maybe itís Filch who practices magic later in life. So, maybe sheís suggesting Voldemort could make that something that we were talking about click.

Jamie: Well, doesnít that bring up the point that, how does Quikspell teach you to do magic? Because that implies that being a squib is a temporary, acute, you know, thing. That itís like a mental block; it sounds like writerís block. You canít do magic until that block is lifted. But in, you know, I canít remember where else, itís been suggested that being a squib is, you know, you do not Ė you do not inherit your parentsí magical ability.

Eric: Right, youíre just a dub.

Jamie: Which is chronic, yeah. Youíre the black sheep of the family.

Andrew: Probably weíll probably never know.

Micah: I was going to say, but what if itís a trade-off though. Like, what if Voldemort gives him temporary magical ability and then...

Eric: Well, could you - could you do that? Could you give someone temporary magical ability? I mean.

Micah: Who knows? Maybe.

Eric: Yeah, well, I know you can bring dead bodies back to life, to - to at least movement. I would think, you know, you would have to be...

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: ...innately magical, you know, to do it. Like...

Jamie: Agreed.

Eric: ...itís in your blood.

Micah: Another rebuttal that was kind of along this line was saying perhaps Harry teaches Filch because he was such a good teacher in Order of the Phoenix. Maybe he teaches him how to do magic in, you know...

Eric: I donít think he has time to do that.

Jamie: No. "Iíve got ten minutes, so Iíll teach you a quick spell. Then Iíll go and find the other four Horcruxes."

[Everyone laughs]

Main Discussion: Fawkes

Andrew: Yeah, well, anyway, weíre going to move on now to our main discussion this week. Actually a character discussion, a creature discussion, weíre going to talk about Fawkes.

Mikey: Yes.

Andrew: It could be a very important creature in Book 7.

Jamie: You think he would be.

Andrew: Weíve talked about him in the past, what did Fawkesí song at the end of Half-Blood Prince possibly mean?

Eric: His cry.

Jamie: He was singing Bohemian Rhapsody, Andrew. [Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. [Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So, Micah, take it away.

Micah: Sure... just a brief overview. The phoenix is a magical bird about the size of a swan. It has crimson feathers on its body and a golden tail as long as a peacockís. Itís claws and beaks are gleaming gold and its eyes are black. These colors also happen to be the colors of Gryffindor house, interestingly enough. The scarlet body feathers glow faintly in darkness, while the golden tail feathers are hot to the touch. Phoenix tail feathers are a powerful magical substance according to Mr. Ollivander, and are suitable for use as wand cores, and that came from the Harry Potter Lexicon.

Harry First Sees Fawkes on a Burning Day

Micah: So, the first question all for up is that when Harry first sees Fawkes in Chamber of Secrets, it happens to be on a burning day. Now, do you guys think that this is a foreshadowing of something to come?

Jamie: Oooh.

Andrew: Like what? Bad timing? Bad coincidence?

Micah: A bad omen, perhaps?

Eric: Well, I think if you look in the movie at least - I know you shouldn't base too much on the movies, but it was kind of comedic relief in a way. I mean, it was - you know - [in British accent] "Your bird, sir. He just died!" You know, Harry's accused of committing all these crimes and stuff and then he goes into Dumbledore's office and....

Jamie: Bird arson.

Eric: ...his bird blows up! [laughs]

Jamie: Sorry.

Eric: So, I think it was just a matter of that Ė itís more... I think it fit with the theme of the book. Harry being accused of something, he's not but having self-doubt.

Jamie: Yeah. I think that about covers it.

Andrew: I mean, yeah. What I was trying to say was that Harry met him in bad timing, so perhaps the foreshadowing in Book 7 could be - he would make bad timing.

Jamie: The thing is tough, doesn't the phoenix live for hundreds of years? So it's pretty rare to have a burning day.

Micah: It's immortal.

Jamie: Huh? No, but I mean, it lives until it's reborn.

Eric: I guess so. Is it rare?

Jamie: It isn't like two days and then - that would suck.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: What did Dumbledore say? It's a certain period, isn't it?

Jamie: No, yeah, but isn't it a long time?

Andrew: That's true.

Mikey: I donít think, does it?

Eric: One wouldnít think it would be every two days.

Jamie: He doesn't burst into flame every two days. Yeah.

Eric: Thatís a lot of rebirthing that is happening.

Jamie: And he has to grow as well, because he turns into a tiny baby.

Micah: Well, it only takes a couple of days. That's what it said - for him to re-grow.

Jamie: Oh.

Andrew: Oh, that's probably what I'm thinking of.

Mikey: Yeah. Also, I think we're Ė we might be taking a little going a little too much into it because really - now we know that Fawkes can be...

Jamie: That's what we do, Mikey.

Micah: Yeah, that's what I was just going to say.

Mikey: Well, no, this also says that the phoenix is reborn from the ashes too, which we see Fawkes do lots of things where he gives his life up for Dumbledore by taking the Avada Kedavra curse.

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: But we know Fawkes is okay. You know what I mean?

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: I think it just sets us up to know that Fawkes is kind of this super bird. You know what I mean?

Micah: It's an introduction to us.

Mikey: Yeah. It's don't think it's anything major specific to the point of foreshadowing, because Harry first met him on a burning day. I think it kind of sets up that we know it's okay, because Harry kind of freaks out.

Jamie: It's cool.

Mikey: Again, even in the movie, Harry kind of freaks out. "Your bird! He just burst into flames!" He didn't do anything.

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: [laughs] He freaks out, you know? But it's the same thing. The bird bursts into flames. You're kind of worried at first, but then you find out, "Oh, he's going to be okay," and every time you see that again, you know it's going to be okay because he's reborn.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: So, I think it's more that.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: I think it was a plot message, a plot device, rather.

Mikey: Yeah, foreshadowing. Yeah, definitely. It's a plot device.

Andrew: Yeah, it was a good way to meet him for both for Harry and us.

Eric: Yeah, to see what he is.

Jamie: He's a kind of a - sorry.

Eric: No, go on.

Jamie: He's a kind of a MacGuffin, isn't he? Something that is there to save the day and can be brought in to save the day. Kind of like "god from the machine," "deus ex." Iíve pronounced that completely wrong, I'm sure. When there's something that can come in and make everything right, like in Order of the Phoenix when he comes and swallows Dumbledore's thing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: It's one thing that can save the day.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: He's clearly ridiculously powerful. I'd like a phoenix.

Fawkes Encounters

Andrew: Let's talk about the encounters we've had with Fawkes. There's been five here that Micah brought up to us. First one, he saves Harry from when he was bitten by the Basilisk in Chamber of Secrets, and he also pokes out the Basilisk's eyes...

Eric: You go, Fawkes! You go, girl!

Andrew: ...and he brings the Sorting Hat and Gryffindor's sword. Another time Ė now, this is a quote, Micah? This is what Dumbledore says to Harry in Chamber of Secrets after what happened down in the chamber. "You must have shown me real loyalty down in the chamber. Nothing but that could have called Fawkes to you." Foreshadowing, Micah, with calling Fawkes?

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