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Micah: Well, yeah. I think maybe more so that than the first thing we took a look at on the burning day. You know? Could this be, in Chamber of Secrets, Dumbledore talking to Harry saying, "You must have shown me real loyalty down there..." Could that be foreshadowing to something? I mean, could he show loyalty in some way to Dumbledore in Book 7 that may call Fawkes back to his side?

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Definitely.

Andrew: Oh, that's true.

Mikey: I think that's definitely more, because throughout Half-Blood Prince, he's "Dumbledore's man, through and through" against Scrimgeour.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: So, I think that is a little bit more.

Eric: Fawkes might become Harry's bird. Maybe Hedwig and Fawkes will get together.

Jamie: Make babies.

Mikey: Make little owl-phoenixes.

Eric: [laughs] Owl-phoenixes.

Mikey: They'll be pink. Red and white - pink.

Eric: No, I mean.

Jamie: Half of them will burst into flame and be reborn the next day.

Mikey: [laughs] Pink birds everywhere!

Eric: Fawkes will be... Fawkes will be... Fawkes is alone. He doesn't really have an owner. I think what's being foreshadowed in Book 2 especially is the loyalty. Like, Fawkes is Dumbledore's phoenix. Dumbledore was always compared to being a phoenix and having those kinds of qualities. But Fawkes is Dumbledore's phoenix and that's how you call Fawkes is you show loyalty to Dumbledore. So, Harry will easily be able to you know. Well, they hitched a ride on his tail feather to get out of the chamber to begin with. I mean, Fawkes has helped Harry plenty of times.

Jamie: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah. Well which were going to talk about in a second. Really, Harry's going to be loyal to Dumbledore throughout all of Book 7, trying to get those Horcruxes.

Eric: Oh yeah.

Andrew: Because hat's what Dumbledore wants him to do, so really that almost makes Fawkes Harry's the entire book.

Jamie: But, he's not doing it because Dumbledore wants him to.

Andrew: No, but that's just part of his inspiration, I think. His influence.

Jamie: Yeah, but if it's a case of showing loyalty, you can't just speak out and say that Dumbledore's awesome. I think it has to be a certain thing. It's got to be from within you.

Micah: Right.

Jamie: You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Micah: Well, think about the chamber, when Harry says to Tom Riddle...

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: "Dumbledore will never be gone as long as people here are loyal to him."

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.

Micah: I think that's what called Fawkes to him.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, but Im sure he had to mean that. He couldn't just say it to save himself.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Right, right.

Mikey: We don't have any background how Dumbledore domesticated Fawkes, do we?

Jamie: No.

Mikey: Because I'm looking through the Fantastical Beasts one and it says they are given a high rating simply because the creature is not necessarily act ferocious...

Jamie: Impossible to...yeah.

Mikey: ...but it's the rarity of successfully attempting to domesticate it.

Jamie: But isn't that just one more thing...

Micah: Well, we're going to get to that.

Mikey: Oh, sorry. Jumping ahead.

Jamie: I was going to say, isn't that just one more thing - not, that's okay.

Micah: No, it's all right.

Jamie: No, isn't that just one more thing which sort of shows Dumbledore's powers, you know?

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: It's that and sort of like - And in Order of the Phoenix when Hagrid points out that he lit that fire - I don't know how to pronounce it: Gabruthian [mispronounces Gubraithian] fire, or something like that, and only Dumbledore could do that and stuff like that. So, it's just one more testament to Dumbledore's power. But also, it's the only Phoenix that we see, and obviously there are other creatures in that book that we don't see, as well, but it's just - it's clearly a powerful creature.

Phoenixes Choose Their Owners

Micah: Yeah, the interesting thing about that, not jumping off too far ahead, was that Phoenixes choose their owners, not the other way around.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: So, the next question is...

Eric: Now, that's quite interesting.

Micah: ...obviously, is why did he choose Dumbledore?

Jamie: "I like his beard."

Eric: That's interesting, too. The wand chooses the wizard, and the Phoenix chooses its owner. So, I don't know, that's kind of cool.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And Harry's wand has a Phoenix feather in it.

Jamie: Yeah. Fawkes', in fact.

Picking Apart The "Pure of Heart"

Andrew: We'll talk more about how Dumbledore got Fawkes later, but another encounter was in Goblet of Fire, when Harry claims he hears the Phoenix song in the graveyard, and it empowers him. "The Phoenix song strengthens the pure of heart and strikes fear in the heart of evil." Maybe not so much for Fawkes - now, wait a second. Where did that come from, Micah? Was that something that was in the books?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Strengthens - yeah. Hmmm. So...

Jamie: You sure it's the "heart of evil"? Because you can be pure of heart and be morally vapid.

Micah: Purely evil, is that what you were going to say?

Jamie: No, no. It's - I mean you don't have to be evil to be... I don't know how to say this, but you don't have to be good to be pure of heart, because good's a subjective concept, so you could be - I don't know. Maybe Im - I could actually be completely wrong on that.

Micah: I know what you're saying.

Eric: Yeah, I think I know what you're saying, essentially.

Micah: I think that the context is that it's supposed to be good.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Micah: You know?

Jamie: Yeah. I think you're right. I'm just an idiot.

More Fawkes Encounters

Andrew: And then also in Goblet of Fire, when Harry encountered a spider bite, Fawkes healed it with one of his tears. And then the fifth attempt - the fifth encounter with Fawkes is when he absorbs the Killing Curse in Order of the Phoenix. Now, if he has already shown that he is willing and capable to hear and protect - heal and protect Dumbledore, why didn't he show up on the Tower in Half-Blood Prince?

Jamie: Because Dumbledore told him not to.

Andrew: Really?

Jamie: Because - yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Snape's good, and...

Eric: It makes perfect sense.

Jamie: ...Dumbledore wanted him to die, so he said, "Fawkes..."

Andrew: Oh. "Don't save me."

Jamie: "...don't show up and save my ass."

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: "I need to die." So, yeah.

Eric: "Don't save me this time, Fawkes."

Jamie: So, yeah.

Micah: "Radio Fawkes, radio Fawkes."

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: "Mayday. Mayday."

Mikey: "Fawkes, this is Dumby. Dumby One."

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: "I'm going to - I'm going to take a hit right now, just don't worry."

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: "Red bird! This isWhite Beard."

Andrew: "Ten-four, Number One! Ten-four, Number One!"

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: "Over and out, Dumby One. Have a good life."

Jamie: [laughs] "Over and out, forever."

Eric: [laughs] Yeah!

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. But anyway, guys, let's stay focused, come on.

Mikey: Okay. Focused, focused.

Andrew: We're a serious podcast. We don't mess around.

Mikey: We do.

Jamie: Story of our lives.

Mikey: We need to be Sirius.

Fawkes' Connection with the School

Micah: Sure. We mentioned Dumbledore's quote before, saying, "I will only truly have left this school when none here are loyal to me." And still going along the foreshadowing lines, do you think maybe this means that Harry will return to Hogwarts in Book 7, in Deathly Hallows? And do you guys think that Fawkes may be connected to this statement?

Mikey: Possibly.

Andrew: I think that wherever Harry is going to be, Fawkes is going to be.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: And...

Jamie: Perhaps Fawkes is going to stay behind to look after the school.

Eric: Yeah, but what does Fawkes do that specifically looks after the school?

Andrew: But, Fawkes...

Eric: I think Fawkes...

Andrew: He needs someone else to - he needs - Harry - he's an assistant. Fawkes is an assistant.

Eric: Well, I don't think he assists...

Jamie: Yeah, he takes Harry's memos and phone calls and stuff.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, not an office assistant, more like a partner in crime.

[Eric laughs]

Mikey: Evil assistant.

Andrew: Partner in crime. Partner in crime.

Jamie: He's a secretary.

Eric: No, I don't think Fawkes is necessary to run the school. It's not like he's going to sit at McGonagall's side and help the school. I think Fawkes was there ever since the beginning on Dumbledore's behalf, really. He doesn't really help, or he's not needed in running the school because he's always been the other part of Dumbledore's job, which is protecting the world from Voldemort and finding out everything he can about Voldemort, and protecting Harry and all that stuff. The Order of the Phoenix - Fawkes' job is not anything to do with the school or the running of the school. He's not necessary. The only reason he was in...

Jamie: Yeah, but...

Eric: He was with Dumbledore.

Jamie: Yeah, but in the Order of the Phoenix, isn't Phoenix just a sort of metaphor for Dumbledore? Because it's Order of Dumbledore, really, because he commands what people do and stuff.

Eric: Well, it does. Well, see, I don't think he commands.

Mikey: Well, it's really Dumbledore's Army.

Eric: I don't think he commands it, necessarily.

Jamie: Yeah, but he tells people what to do without them.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Sorry. Without him now, they're leaderless, as it were, and they have to get new person to do it, because he knows every - ou know? I don't want to - he didn't know what do to. He just knew what to do, and everyone else just were sheep in the grand scheme of things.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Following his command, and now it's going to be...

Mikey: They were pawns.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Micah: Well, the reason I chose this quote, too, for Fawkes, was just because of that loyalty connection...

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: ...that seems to exist there. In both the quotes that Dumbledore has, he's bringing up the loyalty and maybe Harry doesn't have to go to Hogwarts to remain loyal to Dumbledore or to the school. He can sort of be by extension in a way

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: Well, I think Harry will eventually go to Hogwarts sometime. We will see Hogwarts in Book 7.

Jamie: He's got to, yeah.

Mikey: He's got to. We spent six books there, the story is supposed to be Harry's time at Hogwarts. If Book 7 has no Hogwarts in it...

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: ...why is this the last one?

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Right.

Mikey: You know what I mean?

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: So, it's - he's going to go to Hogwarts. Now, regardless whether Fawkes shows up when he's at Hogwarts or somewhere else, definitely I think Fawkes will show up somewhere.

Jamie: Yeah, he's go to.

Mikey: And in connection to Harry, but not necessarily Hogwarts. But Hogwarts will be seen. I can almost guarantee it.

Jo's Quote About Dumbledore

Eric: And did you catch what J.K.R. said? I'm sorry, on the red carpet, or whatever it was to - Somebody asked if Dumbledore, "Isn't he dead?" And she said, "Yeah, but he's giving me a lot of problems, and he's not that simple."

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Dude, weren't you...

Eric: Like, there's still a lot of important stuff to come from Dumbledore.

Andrew: Weren't you here this week? Last week?

Mikey: Yeah, we talked about that.

Eric: Oh, did we? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mikey: It was a Dan Radcliffe quote.

Eric: I was, I was, I was.

Andrew: Dan Radcliffe? It had nothing to do with a red carpet.

Mikey: [laughs] Yeah. It was a Dan Radcliffe quote, man!

Andrew: [laughs] She went on the set.

Eric: Sorry, when I read these...

Mikey: He was thinking of Equus, man.

Eric: No, no, no.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: What I was saying was...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: ...there's a lot more to come from Dumbledore himself, not to mention Aberforth Dumbledore will show up so, we'll be sure to see Fawkes.

Jamie: Yeah.

Fawkes' Cry

Micah: All right. Well, what do you guys think about his cry at the end of Half-Blood Prince? Do you think it was a message, a warning, maybe even a rally cry?

Andrew: I think his cry, it was just to mourn Dumbledore. I don't think there's anything else that can explain it.

Eric: It's "The Phoenix Lament." It's just sadness overall, because whether or not it was planned or anything, you've lost this great wizard, and...

Andrew: You also...

Eric: ...the whole school had to know.

Micah: Do you think there's a further connection, though? I mean, if he's going around singing, is he perhaps sending any type of message for people to band together? That, you know...

Eric: Oooh. Yeah, I got...

Jamie: Isn't there...

Micah: ...something's coming.

Eric: I kind of got that it was a magical significance. It wasn't necessarily Fawkes putting protection, but when I was reading about Fawkes going around crying, it felt kind of ceremonious in a way, but also maybe the Phoenix - Phoenix, you know, make those who are pure of heart and everything, you know, feel stronger. So, I think it had some kind of magical effect like that.

Jamie: Wasn't it closure as well, though? It was just a cry of, you know...

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah.

Jamie: Because he had to, really. It's a nice - and I'm sure there's another story, a famous story, where there's been a low, wailing cry of death, you know? It's that kind of thing, it's just - And it's also a funeral, you know, which is what people do there. So... It was just a nice touch, I think. Because you know some things in these books - I know that everyone says, you know, there's no such thing as a coincidence.

Micah: Not everything has a double meaning. Is that what you were going to say?

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. And there's no such thing as a coincidence. But we can't forget that she's writing to entertain, as well, and she's writing for herself, and some things just, you know, make sense, and that just looks like one of those things. Saying that, it will probably turn out to be a huge plot clue and it will foreshadow everything.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: And pretty soon you'll owe the world another 50 sausages.

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: You're going to eat until you die, Jamie.

Jamie: I'll be on 10,000 by the end of Book 7.

Andrew: [laughs] I think it was just for the imagery. I mean, everyone is hearing this cry throughout the entire school and on the grounds, so it sort of brings everyone together because they're all hearing Fawkes.

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah, it's a unification song, you know?

Andrew: Exactly.

Jamie: Yeah.

Could Harry Inherit Fawkes?

Micah: Well, this goes back to what Eric was trying to talk about before. In a Raincoast Book interview somebody asked, "Could Harry have a pet dragon?" and Jo responded by saying, "You can't domesticate a dragon, whatever Hagrid thinks. That's simply impossible. So no. He's got more sense. He might get a different pet at some point but I'm saying no more at this moment."

Andrew: Now, when was this?

Jamie: That was a long time ago, wasn't it?

Micah: This...

Jamie: The Raincoast one was a long time ago.

Micah: Yeah...March 2001.

Andrew: March 2001, there you go.

Mikey: Wow!

Andrew: So, this was pre-Book 4.

Eric: No, it wasn't.

Andrew: Ummm, yeah.

Eric: No.

Andrew: Oh, no. Andrew and

Eric: After Book 4, but...

Jamie: But pre-Book 5, obviously. [laughs]

Eric: There's much more coming about dragons, I guess, you know?

Mikey: Well...

Jamie: No, no.

Mikey: ...maybe it could be Buckbeak, you know?

Micah: No, no, no! My point was Fawkes.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, wait, what...sorry. [laughs] Wasn't she talking about domesticating a dragon?

Jamie: No, no, no, what she's trying to say is that...

Andrew: She said she's putting it off.

Jamie: ...he's getting a different pet. That's the most important point.

Eric: Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Mikey: But he get Buckbeak, though, or Witherwings, so it might not be Fawkes.

Jamie: Yeah, that's true. But it just seems right that, you know...

Mikey: I want Harry to have a Phoenix.

Jamie: That Harry has the Gryffindor connection.

Eric: Yeah, Dumbledore's bird.

Jamie: Yeah, and it - yeah, it, you know...

Mikey: No, I agree.

Jamie: It just seems right.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: It would be. I want Harry to have Fawkes. I want Harry to have a Phoenix.

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: Even if it's not Fawkes, another one. Maybe a little Fawkes offspring.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: But, but...

Andrew: Fawkes Jr. [laughs]

Mikey: But who knows? Who knows? I'm not going to pretend...

Andrew: Fawksey.

Mikey: We'll call it Fawksey.

Eric: No...yeah.

Jamie: He better not, or I'm going to...

Mikey: FJ. Fawkes Jr.

Eric: Fawksey lady.

Mikey: FJ, come save me! Ahhh!

Andrew: [laughs] I'm - I act like I know, but I'm positive that Dumbledore must have told Fawkes to be Harry's assistant, to help him when need be, to be there at his side.

Eric: He told the exact same thing to Harry. I mean, the opposite. He told Harry not to trust anybody but Ron and Hermione, and Harry didn't even trust McGonagall with the information of the Horcruxes and stuff. So like...

Mikey: Yeah. Because...

Eric: ...Dumbledore is pretty much setting up this closed group society, which I think includes Fawkes, which will consist of the people who take down Voldemort, you know?

Tangent: Will Harry Lead the Order?

Mikey: Yeah, I think the Order is there just to provide...

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: ...back-up and take every one else down.

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: But it's going to come down to Harry, mono-e-mono with the bald man himself. And...

Eric: Guys, wouldn't it be crazy...

Mikey: ...with Fawkes there.

Eric: ...if Harry led the Order?

Mikey: That would be cool.

Jamie: No, it's...

Eric: Like now?

Jamie: It's not going to happen, though.

Eric: Do you think it's...

Jamie: It''s...

Eric: Really?

Jamie: Well, he's - you can't, however much, you can't sort of jump from what his task is to his powerfulness and, you know, how good he is. It's like, he's still a 16-year old - actually, wait, how old is he now?

Eric: 17.

Jamie: Yeah, sorry.

Eric: He'll be seventeen.

Jamie: He's still an almost seventeen year old under, you know, almost unqualified wizard with, you know, not as great magical powers. I'm sure if he and Lupin dueled now, Lupin would win. If he and Snape dueled as shown in Half-Blood Prince he wouldn't even stand a chance. You know, he's still, he may... Just because he has a great task it doesn't mean, you know, he's going to lead it.

Eric: Right.

Jamie: Like in Lord of the Rings, just because Frodo had the immense task he still listened to Gandalf and, you know, he didn't lead anything, really.

Eric: Yeah, well, our Gandalf is dead. I mean...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: It's just a matter of, I mean we were saying, would the Ministry, you know, interfere with Harry's plan to find the Horcruxes and get rid of Voldemort, but will the Order, I mean...

Mikey: The Ministry's always going to try to interfere. I hate the Ministry.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: No, no, no, I'm not talking about that. I'm saying, we talked about that before. But what I'm saying now is...

Jamie: I hate the Ministry. Decadent and corrupt.

Eric: ...who's going to run the Order? And how is...

Andrew: I don't think it matters.

Eric: The Order is backing Harry. The Order was created for Dumbledore, Dumbledore's purpose of getting rid of Voldemort, and now it's turned to Harry to do that.

Jamie: But Harry can't run it, though. He can't run it. It's just not...

Andrew: He wants to do this one his own, too, and he's not going to want to manage the Order.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Well, he shouldn't want to do things on his own. He's got the whole Order.

Mikey: It's going to be Shacklebolt or Arthur Weasley. Someone that we all know, we trust.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: He's got...

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: That has that commanding, you know - May not be an obvious candidate. But it's someone that everyone trusts and everyone listens to. So, like Shacklebolt.

Eric: Hey, wait.

Mikey: Shacklebolt.

Andrew: Exactly.

Eric: I think it should be Mr. Weasley, Mikey. Because wasn't there old speculation that Mr. Weasley would be the new Minister of Magic and she said, "No, but" type of thing?

Mikey: I don't remember, but I wouldn't be surprised...

Andrew: I do remember her being asked that question.

Jamie: She always says, "No, but."

Mikey: I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Weasley comes up and does something majorly significant for everyone.

Jamie: Yeah, I agree.

Mikey: Because he's been there through all the books, you know. He's helped Harry out. Basically, Harry is like a son to him. His other son, Ron, is so deep in this, you know. It's - He's going to do something that, you know. Plus, Dumbledore always trusted Arthur to take care of Harry, you know, in between stuff.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: So, I think Arthur or someone we know, obviously from the Order, is going to be there. You know what I mean?

Eric: What I'm saying is, will Harry consult - not consult, but will Harry - I mean, they have to be led into the last battle. I mean, they are Aurors; they are people who get rid of people like Bellatrix Lestrange and stuff. I agree that Neville should have Bellatrix, but the fact is, they're all adults and there's all these good adults who are in the Order, who want to help Harry, and who are going to be on his side. Like Lupin, he's going to fight in Harry's last battle.

Mikey: No, no, they will be, they will be. Come on...

Jamie: Of course they will, yeah.

Mikey: Harry's confided in Arthur in, what was it, Half-Blood Prince when he said...

Eric: Yeah.

Mikey: ..."This is what happened when we followed Draco, can you take a look at it?" And he - you know, I think Arthur Weasley is one of those parents that are like, okay, he raised Fred and George, he knows they're going to get in trouble.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Mikey: It's someone that Harry can relate to as an adult, you know what I mean?

Jamie: But Eric, I don't think it's going to be like, you know, Two Towers type of thing, the film Two Towers where, you know, Harry walks over the hill with a look in his eyes and then all of the Order of the Phoenix comes up behind him and, you know...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: ...they are all standing together. It's like - it's a different, it's like a proxy battle for them. They aren't in on Harry's task. It's his to kill Voldemort and theirs to clear the way.

Andrew: And just to clarify, Eric, I just checked and Jo actually answered that question on her official site and she just answered, "Alas, no." Would Arthur Weasley would be the new Minister?

Eric: Well, I know, and I wasn't saying he was. I'm saying people were guessing that he would be a power position.

Andrew: Well, I'm not saying that. I'm saying you said, "She said, 'No, but'..."

Eric: Well, "Alas, no," is exactly like a "No, but," she just doesn't...

Andrew: Well, "No, but," usually ends with...

Eric: But. [laughs]

Andrew: "No, but," something...

Eric: What I am saying is she didn't rule out that he would gain power. She just ruled out that he wouldn't be Minister of Magic.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Eric: You know, so...

Andrew: Fair enough.

Micah: All right.

Mikey: Let's move on.

Jamie: Yes, let's.

Andrew: Yeah.

Would Fawkes Choose Voldemort?

Micah: So, I think we're all pretty much in agreement, based on the fact that Phoenixes choose their owners, that probably Fawkes would choose Harry in Deathly Hallows.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: If it came to down to it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Well, wouldn't he choose Voldemort? I mean, ah, no, sorry. Imessed up.

Jamie: Yes, he's going to, yeah.

Mikey: He's going to choose Voldemort because...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: He will. He likes power.

Micah: Well, that's an interesting question.

Jamie: He's a power hungry Phoenix.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Well, let's think about that, though. No, because his feather is in Fawkes' - Fawkes' feather is in Voldemort's wand. Why did it choose him the first place?

Tangent: Jamie's Theory

Jamie: You know what's going to happen? He's going to... [laughs] He is going to... [laughs]

Micah: Oh, god, do I want to hear this?

Jamie: No, you don't, it is going to be awful. It's awful.

Mikey: [laughs] Yes. Come on, Jamie.

Jamie: He's going to do two things: He is going to become Voldemort's pet, then he's going to fly up his butt and set himself on fire.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: And he's reborn inside Voldemort.

Jamie: And he's reborn.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Inside his stomach. [laughs]

Jamie: He crawls away...

Eric: "Aww, man, something's crawled up there and died!"

Mikey: He's going to pop out of his stomach...

Jamie: In Alien, yeah.

Mikey: ...just like in Alien. AH!

Back to Fawkes Choosing Voldemort

Micah: But seriously, though, why do you think - why would his, a wand with his feather? Jamie, that was a great joke, by the way.

Jamie: Thank you.

Micah: Why do you think he would choose Voldemort? I mean, he chose Harry, we can probably see good reason for that. But why Voldemort?

Jamie: He didn't choose him. It's the wand. It's like - I don't think it's the bird that chooses him, it's the wand altogether, the combination of the wood and the inches. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, the fact remains that part of Fawkes is still in Voldemort's wand and part of the Fawkes was part of a wand that chose Voldemort.

Jamie: Perhaps it chose him. Perhaps it picks it on power. If you were a wand you would want the most powerful person to pick you. So, you have a fun time, you know, you don't want somebody who just...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: know? So, perhaps it's picked the two people. The two most - not magically powerful, but the two most sort of, not ambitious, I can't think of the word. The two most...

Eric: Ummm...

Jamie: What's the word when someone will go far? The two most...

Eric: Well, potential. Have high potential.

Andrew: Potential, yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. The two people with the most potential, perhaps. Perhaps...

Mikey: Well, Dumbledore is always saying it's the choices that you make. Kind of like, you know, when Harry questioned whether he should have been in Slytherin...

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: ...instead of Gryffindor. And I think at the time that the wand chose Tom Riddle, you know, as a boy, even though he made some bad choices, he was consciously already using magic for his own benefit. He could have changed, you know what I mean?

Jamie: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Mikey: It's his choices. So, I think the fact that that wand chose him, it's possibly maybe... Because Fawkes and Dumbledore were so close together - maybe it was a hope that this wand would help Tom Riddle become a better person.

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: Sure enough his choices led him down the wrong path. Same thing with Harry, you know.

Jamie: That is... Yeah.

Mikey: Maybe if Harry had his family the whole time, maybe that wand wouldn't have chose him.

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: Because you know that whole thing - the prophecy wouldn't have happened with him. But because the way Harry grew up, and it's again his choices that kind of chose him, that wand was there to kind of bring balance.

Jamie: Yeah.

Mikey: And I'm not taking from anything on this but, can bring balance between the two.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Ah, well...

Micah: Well, going off on that.

Eric: What does this the prophecize?

Jamie: You aren't taking it from anything, are you, at all?

Eric: By chance is this the prophecy? Is Harry the Chosen One like in what? What is it? Star Wars?

Mikey: [laughs] I know. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to bring it up.

Eric: No, no, no, it's fine.

Mikey: It's a balance between the forces of good and evil.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Yeah.

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