MuggleCast 81 Transcript (continued)
Lord of the Rings Comparison
Jamie: Can I just do this? I love making comparisons between different series and stuff like that, so the first person to make a Lord of the Rings comparison between this - should Harry die - and Lord of the Rings gets a free book. So, come on now. In the back, you first.
Female Audience Member: Well, it could be along the lines where he doesnít actually get killed by Voldemort. He survives, but heís scarred by the pain and so, you know, heíd be like Frodo when he died.
Male Audience Member: Like when Frodo got into the boat, Harry could just walk into the veil.
Jamie: Okay, you can have a book. That was very good.
Jamie: We have two more questions. There.
Female Audience Member: One of the sacrifices Harry has to make is giving up his [Unintelligible].
Female Debate Participant #1: Oh, I like it. It was all a dream.
Jamie: Isnít there a series where that happens? Somebody gives up their powers.
Female Audience Member: Labyrinth. She goes and...
Jamie: I donít know, could be. One more question. In the back.
Andrew: Did you have something you wanted to say?
Male Audience Member: I would say Book 7 has to end with a Little House on the Prairie kind of home.
Male Audience Member: Harry with the kids, and Ginny [unintelligible].
Jamie: I like it.
Andrew: That's what the prologue's for. She said she's going to have a prologue, so...
Audience Members: Epilogue.
Andrew: Epilogue, sorry.
Jamie: It has been a long trip.
Jamie: Okay, shall we take it to a vote?
Jamie: All those in favor of that "Harry should die?"
Jamie: And all those who think "Harry should not die?"
[Audience applauds and cheers]
Andrew: Sorry, guys.
Female Debate Participant #1: He shouldn't, but he will.
Andrew: I suppose. So, pick up your wands there.
Jamie: Take a t-shirt, as well.
Male Audience Member: Thank you very much.
Andrew: By the way, today's MuggleNet stickers are sponsored by Emerson Spartz. We can all have a...
Andrew: ...round of applause for Emerson, who...
Jamie: Who is currently with Ben, touring the U.S., signing these books.
Jamie: Having a good time, apparently.
Jamie: Oh, yeah, so I don't forget to mention - those tickets there at the beginning, those raffle tickets. Soon we are going to auction off this Triwizard Cup, which is very nice.
Andrew: From the Noble Collection.
Andrew: W.B. sent it to me a couple - Back when we had to do a contest on MuggleNet, and...
Jamie: He forgot to mail it.
Andrew: I forgot to mail it. And so we're going to give it away today.
Jamie: So, there is a fan somewhere around who doesn't know where their Triwizard Cup is.
Andrew: It's very heavy and a bit dangerous because it's very sharp.
Jamie: Yeah, it is sharp. You have to be careful.
Andrew: I was afraid this wasn't going to make it through the airport because that's like a weapon.
Scholastic's Promotional Campaign
Andrew: Okay, so what else do we want to talk about?
Jamie: I think we should talk about the news. The promotional campaign that - is it Scholastic?
Andrew: It's Scholastic.
Jamie: Yeah. It's massive. And...
Jamie: Go on, sorry.
Andrew: They - If you've been reading up on MuggleNet, I mean, one of the recent stories was that Scholastic announced their campaign to promote the book. Honestly, I don't think that it needs to be promoted at all.
Jamie: Yeah, it really doesn't.
Andrew: They could tell people, "Don't buy it," and it will still sell.
Jamie: I think one of the big things is that they are having a 12 million copy initial print run of Deathly Hallows and Half-Blood Prince was less.
Andrew: 10.8 million.
Andrew: 10.8 [laughs]
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: So, I mean, it's really amazing. They keep boosting it up. I think they could do it for 20 million and sell every one.
Jamie: What is this - sorry - what is this "Seven Questions of Harry Potter Campaign?"
Andrew: Part of the campaign that they are doing. They're having some interesting techniques. Bloomsbury hasn't announced their plans, otherwise we'd be talking about them for you guys. But Scholastic is going to do seven questions, big questions leading up to July 20 - July 21st. I can't believe I just forgot the date.
Andrew: And it's an interesting way to gather hype, and I guess we'll be talking about them on the show. They are going to be releasing one every other week, so...
Andrew: I mean, I guess the questions could just be like "Snape: Good or bad?" "Will Harry find the horcruxes?"
Jamie: Yeah. Exactly.
Jamie: Sorry, go on.
Andrew: And I don't really see the point, but okay.
Jamie: Yeah, and the campaign starts April 17th, so we're wondering if we are going to have a cover by then. A U.K. cover and a U.S. cover, and what's going to be on them.
Andrew: I think we would have to because this is a very serious promotional campaign.
Andrew: April 17th is not far off at all, and the manuscript has been finished. I'm sure that Mary GrandPre and - who's the U.K. illustrator?
Jamie: You put me on the spot there.
Male Audience Member: It changes.
Andrew: Oh, it changes. Oh, okay.
Jamie: We knew that.
[Andrew and Audience laugh]
Andrew: Just quizzing you.
Andrew: It's a shame it's not out now. It would be great to talk about. Put it up on the projection screen and stuff.
Jamie: But it is going to be exciting, and I think this will completely underline the entire Harry Potter summer things. We have a campaign running to the book and have all the movie promotion stuff. So, Harry Potter is where you should be this summer. You really should.
Andrew: "The summer to remember," in the words of Dylan Spartz. [laughs]
Jamie: It really is the summer to remember, yeah.
Time Between The Movie And Book
Andrew: Is anyone excited that the book and movie are only eight days apart?
Jamie: Yeah, we should talk about that.
Andrew: Excited? disappointed?
[Mixed answers from audience]
Andrew: We'll start with excited. Is anyone excited?
Audience Members: Yes. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah? I think it's going to be crazy.
Jamie: It is going to be crazy.
Andrew: The site's going to be huge.
Jamie: But there is going to be a down right after that that's going to last forever. Whereas if you had...
Jamie: But if we had the movie in July and then we had the book in November or early next year or something, see, then we could really hype it up. I was very sad, I must say, when they said it was July 21st.
Andrew: You told the story.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Let's not talk about that then.
Andrew: [laughs] Basically Jamie was confident that, I don't remember it exactly.
Jamie: So, confident that it wasn't going to come out that I said I would eat fifty sausages, and then it did come out...
Andrew: No, I'm talking about your discussion with Ben the night before.
Jamie: Oh, yeah. I was going to bed the night before and I said to him, "Look, trust me on this, I know these things, it will not come out in July."
Jamie: And then the next day about ten hours later he said, "J.K.R. announces huge July release plans." And Ben's, you know...
Andrew: So alright, disappointment. You've got to be excited. There's got to be excitement with you guys, right?
Female Audience Member: Excitement mixed with a bit of like - I mean, I thought it was going to come in 2008 and now it's ending and I don't want it to end.
Jamie: Yeah, and even though we have the movies afterwards, Harry Potter will be over. It's like moving [unintelligible] again. That is a big [unintelligible].
Andrew: I try to look on the upside. Because people always ask me, "How long are you going to be able to keep doing this podcast for?" And I keep telling them, "Well, Movie 7 isn't going to be out until - I think it's projected to be 2011."
Jamie: No, no.
Andrew: So, of course the podcast has a lot of time left in there.
Jamie: Yeah, so...
Andrew: Plus, we'll just get bored of it and we'll just cut it off, but...
Jamie: I want to do a game.
Andrew: Another game?
Jamie: Yeah, I want to do a game, I want to do - [impersonating Micah] Best Micah impressions.
Andrew: Oh, okay.
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] Does anyone like to come up here and talk like me. Come up now.
Andrew: Can anyone do a good Micah impression? We usually impersonate him.
Jamie: All the time, yeah.
Andrew: What you don't see on the show is, I'll go, "Let's go to Micah for the past week's top Harry Potter news. Micah." And either Ben or Jamie will go...
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] "Thanks, Andrew."
Andrew: [impersonating Micah] "Thanks, Andrew."
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] The latest Harry Potter news.
Andrew: And then we usually make some vulgar joke. And then they go...
Jamie: [impersonating Micah] "Back to you, Andrew."
Andrew: Yeah, okay.
Jamie: So someone's got to do a Micah impression. And what do we have for that? A tie and a scarf, and they're very nice. The ties are very nice. So are the scarves.
Jamie: Over there.
Andrew: Just jump.
Andrew: Nice, nice.
Jamie: A Spiderman jump there.
Andrew: What does he...
Andrew: "Thanks, Micah - Thanks, guys. In other Harry Potter news," and then say a story.
Male Audience Member: [impersonating Micah] Thanks, Andrew.
Andrew: I think Ben is very good at impersonating people. He can do you very well. I - he can't really impersonate me. I just - or he just doesn't, maybe that's the answer.
Male Audience Member: Hi, everybody. My name really is Micah.
Andrew and Jamie: Really?
Andrew: Wow. You win automatically.
Jamie: That's nice.
Male Audience Member: That's my Micah impression.
Jamie: Just being him. Saying that - being him. One in the back.
Female Audience Member: Oooh, a girl.
Jamie: [Hands over the microphone] There you go.
Female Audience Member: [impersonating Micah] Thanks, Andrew.
[Everyone laughs and applauds]
Vote On Micah Impressions
Jamie: Should we vote on that? The cheering thing's going. Okay, first impression?
[Audience applauds and cheers]
Jamie: Second impression?
Jamie: And third impression.
[Few audience members applaud]
Jamie: We have a winner over there.
Andrew: I don't know if people would understand this one. Our Kevin impressions?
Jamie: They're too hard.
Andrew: [impersonating Kevin] No, no, Windows 3.1.
Andrew: [impersonating Kevin] Vista.
Main Discussion: Harry and Ginny
Jamie: Okay. We are going to have a main discussion now because we think that - well, this is an issue that...
[Micah impersonation winner switches scarves]
Andrew: He switched the colors he wanted to get.
Jamie: Oh, [laughs] sorry. Now, I think this is big. When we were planning this Andrew was like, "You can't bring this up again, it's been done to death." It has been done to death, but everyone has views on this so: Should Harry and Ginny get back together? Obviously, it's a huge thing in Half-Blood Prince. Ginny is like, "I knew you were going to say that," and Harry's, "I can't take you with." Some people think he's being careless, he brings too much say in what he has to do. Other people think that he is being the perfect gentleman saying, "I can't bring you with, I have this huge task to do." What do people think?
Male Audience Member: He wasn't going to take Ginny to the Ministry of Magic or any of that lot, but she still came along and still held her own and stuff so...
Jamie: Yeah, I mean - And you can't ignore the fact that these people are helpful in this battle. Harry can't, however he is, he can't take on every single person, you know? In the back?
Female Audience Member: You can't stop love.
Audience Members: Awww.
Female Audience Member: Because she'll just end up dying.
Jamie: It's a fair point, it really is.
Female Audience Member: I reckon like, you know, Lily sacrificed herself for Harry, I reckon Harry should save Ginny.
Female Audience Member: And, sort of, Voldemort died the first time, he'll die the second time.
Female Audience Member: By that time Harry would, sort of, [unintelligible].
Jamie: And then Harry and Ginny will walk in to the sunset.
Jamie: Arm in arm.
Andrew: That's not bad.
Jamie: I like that.
Male Audience Member: He said something like he didn't want Hermione and Ron to come with him. He wasn't as strong with it, but they're still going to come along...
Jamie: Yeah they will now, yeah.
Male Audience Member: I don't see why Ginny shouldn't. I don't see why Ginny - She's forceful, she's going to find another way.
Jamie: Yeah. You there?
Male Audience Member: I think if we think about it, I think Ginny is [unintelligible] Voldemort. And accompany that with the fact that she is a very good fighter and very, sort of, [unintelligible]. I would say even the first book that Harry is nothing without [unintelligible].
Jamie: But do you think it's pushing her luck? She is - Obviously, Chamber of Secrets was huge. You know, when she - she could have easily have died there. Do you think her going again is pushing her luck and sort of, you know.
Male Audience Member: I don't think so, I think I see it sort of a separate parts. One part it will be Harry and Ginny, and the other part will be the original three.
Male Audience Member: That's how I see it.
Jamie: Good. There?
Female Audience Member: And also, there's something else that screams that Harry shouldn't die. I mean, because I don't think Ginny's going to come along with them to find the horcruxes. But when he comes back, then they will get back together. And then they will have something to celebrate.
Jamie: Yeah. Thanks. Over there?
Female Audience Member: Well, I think Ginny wouldn't only want to kill Voldemort because he tried to kill her, and the fact that he wants to kill her boyfriend. She also hates him for what he did to her because he wrecked her first year at school. [unintelligible].
Jamie: [laughs] Yeah.
Female Audience Member: So, she's got the personal grudge against him. And also, how do you fathom [unintelligible] the seventh Horcrux or the end of this sort of thing. [unintelligible]
Jamie: Yeah, well he needs to love, you know, everything's - [laughs] Yeah.
Female Audience Member: Well, the whole basis of Harry Potter is on love. So Harry should be around the people he loves. You know, to defeat Voldemort. The power of the people he loves who love him.
Jamie: Yeah, it's been explored extensively, where the power that he has. I think it has to be explored. It has been Harry and Cho and, you know, Ron and Lavender, which was just disgusting.
Jamie: Yeah, so I think Harry has to get something.
Female Audience Member: I think it's going to be similar to that kind of thing. When Harry met Sirius he had this friendship with him and just as he got to know the bloke he died. That's going to be pretty similar with Ginny. Just as he's got this kind of relationship with her, I think she is going to die and it's got that - There's this huge deal made for her having red hair. And Lily has red hair. And Lily's green eyes - and, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Ginny's got green eyes, doesn't she?
Audience Members: Brown Eyes.
Female Audience Member: Anyway, she has red hair.
Female Audience Member: It sounds freakishly like Ginny is going to do a Lily and die for Harry.
Jamie: On the question of eyes, I have a trivia question. First one to shout out gets a book. What color are Sirius's eyes?
Audience members: Gray!
Jamie: Oh, you have a wand, as well.
Andrew: Cleaning up.
Jamie: [Laughs] Cleaning out the prizes. Okay, back to the discussion. There?
Harry/Ginny And Hermione/Ron
Male Audience Member: [unintelligible] In Grimmauld Place, Molly and Sirius are arguing about what Harry should know. When she says Harry is as good as her son, if Harry and Ginny really did get married, he basically will be a son.
Male Audience Member: Plus, if Ron and Hermione got married, they'd be a family.
Jamie: That kind of angered me, though, when she said that. "He's basically my son." I thought she was really undermining what Sirius did. Because it isn't his fault he got thrown in Azkaban. He just wanted a chance to be Harry's dad, really, because James is gone. I thought that that was a bit mean of her.
Female Audience Member: The whole, you know, "there is something worse than death," is something that there has to have - that is going to be Ginny dying and he is going to do an Unforgivable Curse and be really, really evil and be able kill Voldemort.
Jamie: Force grip him thing.
Female Audience Member: I think if Harry got to [unintelligible] it would be far too predictable. And even if [unintelligible] books, itís far too much of a cheesy ending to the Harry Potter books. I mean, I don't think it's that if Ginny dies and Harry goes to avenge her death, and using that love that he has for her, that's a better use for that love than just going and be like "I'm going to kiss you, Voldemort," and kill him.
Female Audience Member: And also, [unintelligible] that leaves so many opportunities for [unintelligible] and have such a good time. So...
Jamie: But how much does he actually like her? I mean, because he liked Cho as well, so he liked both of them, but to what extent does he love her?
Female Audience Member: This isn't my theory, but my friend has a theory that it's love potion because when - he doesn't really start liking her until he smells her in Felix Felicis and she was thinking about buying that love potion in Fred and Georgeís shop, and she has this amazing love theory that took her about an hour and a half to explain. Thatís Jaz.
Female Audience Member: It's like in Pokemon when they have...
Jamie: Come get a t-shirt.
Andrew: I like where you're going with this.
Female Audience Member: Ash has black hair and Missy, the one that they think, not until after - it just - she has red hair.
Jamie: This is good.
Female Audience Member: I think that J.K. Rowling watches Pokemon. She watches a lot of it, so she obviously that the black-haired boy should be with the ginger girl and...
Andrew: [laughs] Do people like Pokemon references?
[Shouts from audience]
Andrew: No, you don't? We got a couple complaints, but I find them amazing because they're spot on.
Jamie: Who would have thought - Harry Potter and Pokemon?
Andrew: I know!
Female Audience Member: I think Harry has had feelings for Ginny from probably close to the beginning, but not necessarily noticed them. I mean, heís - she's been a part of his life as long as Ron has, so he met her right from the very beginning. She's always been there sort of lurking in the background. Even when he was obsessed with Cho, he still - he always had this certain awareness of Ginny there, and it wasn't until after he gets rid of his infatuation with Cho that he starts to finally realize the feelings that had been developing for years on end.
Jamie: For Ginny. Yeah. In the back?
Female Audience Member: I think that when Harry and Ginny first met, she was all shy and Harry couldn't see it, it didnít stop here from getting in the sixth book. So I think where Hermione [unintelligible] that Ginny has. I also don't think it's right that Harry should die a virgin.
Jamie: Who could possibly come after that?
Jamie: Right in the back.
Female Audience Member: It wouldnít be J.K.R to mess around with Ginny. Sheís part of the Weasley family. So, if Harry didnít love Ginny, then they probably wouldn't do that.
Jamie: Right. Far in the back.
Female Audience Member: I think that Ginny and Harry will get together, but then Harry will do the whole, "No, you canít come with me," and they'll break up. But then she'll go with him anyway. [unintelligible]
Jamie: [laughs] Nice. Anyone else? There?
Female Audience Member: I think that Harry is really underestimating Ginny with, like, "Oh, you canít come. Itís too dangerous," and then they'll meet at the wedding and it's been building up for so long.
Andrew: Oh, the wedding, yeah. That'd be a good place to build it up a little bit more.
Jamie: They can link hands suddenly.
Andrew: Ginny can catch the bouquet.
Jamie: But do you think he loves her because he has to have someone to love?
Female Audience Member: No, I think he absolutely loves her, and itís been going on for so long.
Female Audience Member: I think Voldemort doesn't love. He's only got everyone else because he summons them. I think Harry has the power to love - all his people, all his friends - they should kind of work together and that is what will defeat Voldemort in the end, whereas Voldemort is just alone and stuff.
Jamie: But isn't the point that he can't love - which is why love can be so deadly against him?
Male Audience Member: I can see a big frenzied battle between Harry and Voldemort, and they go so crazy at it and then Ginny's the one that pulls Harry back and Voldemort - that kind of destroys him.
Jamie: Like the Witch King in Return of the King.
Jamie: She stabs a dagger into his leg. I would love to see that.
Jamie: Over there?
Andrew: Go ahead.
Female Audience Member: You know how in the first book when they save Hermione from the troll, and it says you can't go through something like this without liking the person? Well, it's kind of like in the second book when Harry saves Ginny from the Basilisk. Maybe they wouldn't have wound up together - they couldn't go through that together without there being some sort of connection. Maybe the fact he loves her so much - maybe he can use her wand to defeat Voldemort because their love enhances the power of the wand, and that's how he can defeat him without using his wand.
Andrew: That's very nice. I like that.
Jamie: Nice. Over there?
Female Audience Member: [unintelligible] has the capacity to love her. So, I mean, they haven't been going out for very long in the 6th book, and he breaks it off, and Snape knows they've been going out. [unintelligible] But it's not that he doesn't love her, it's due to the love he could have for her.
Jamie: But is it him being selfless saying, you know, "You can't come with him." Or is he being, you know.
Male Audience Member: He'll still be alone. Heís still got a lot to learn. You can't push someone away from you.
Male Audience Member: If he does love her, then that's going to overrule any of this [unintelligible] feelings. He can still protect her in some way.
Jamie: Also, Voldemort can still get to her. Just because she isn't with him the entire way, you know. He knows now that they love each other.
Andrew: I just don't see there being much time for a relationship to develop in the book. Maybe something could happen in the wedding to sort of tease everyone to think that something will happen, but when is there going to be time for that? Harry is so focused on the battle too, and I mean maybe the love could come from fighting and Ginny playing an integral role.
Jamie: Anyone else? There?
Female Audience Member: Pokemon reference - no, not really.
Female Audience Member: Lord of the Rings reference. You have Harry, Aragorn, Ginny - he goes off [unintelligible]. Something like that. Also, I think because of the whole [unintelligible] the people heís saved the life of, like Arthur Weasley, Ginny Weasley, Ron and Hermione are going to be there for him when he needs them, even if he has to the last chamber on his own, kind of thing.
Jamie: Well, just another thought, do they now owe life debts to Harry?
Female Audience Member: Yeah, I don't think it's so much that. I just think it's a joining of their soul. I don't think it should be seen like, "Youíve got to save my life now." But, I mean if he had a significant number of people around him, like - sorry, I've got the overzealous army. But if you think about the amount of people - if he needs to be strengthened in some way, he's got all of these people who have this bond to his soul through him saving their life and Voldemort's just got like a couple of people left over or something. I think he's just going to be obviously, you know, weakened soul anyway that's going to be broken up. But Harry has had these buttresses put over him by these people who he saved their lives to protect him.
Jamie: And do you think they are going to sort of psych him up for the final battle and he'll think of all the people he's got?
Female Audience Member: I think they're going to become his shield.
Jamie: Yeah, they're going to be touching shoulders. Yeah, nice. Anyone else? Are we done on theory discussion?
Female Audience Member: In the last one - I think both books have parallels with the fourth one versus the second one and [unintelligible]. The first one, it was Harry, Ron, and Hermione, just as the three. So, it kind of follows in the last one it would be just the three, but not enough to work to get to Voldemort.
Andrew: Overall, what's you're final thought? We'll do final thoughts.
Jamie: I don't know.
Jamie: I don't want to think that he's so, you know, selfless that he's going to die an unhappy man because of that because the only people he'd think about are everyone else and not himself. But they obviously want to be together, and I donít know if Jo is so mean that she is going to keep them apart when they definitely want to be together. And, you know, she has a creative license on this. If she brings them together, she can still sort it out so they beat Voldemort. So, I'd like them to get back together.
Andrew: I just think how it's going to play out in Book 7 is that maybe we'll get some sort of tease in the beginning, and then throughout the entire book there's going to be little hints of maybe like, they met eyes and, I don't know, something happens. But I think what might ultimately happen is that Ginny will help Harry in the final battle or Ginny will come close to death and Harry will save her or maybe vise versa. Something like that.
Jamie: Fair enough.
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