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Show Intro

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Andrew: Because we're jumping ahead a few episodes to coincide with the page count of Book 7, this is MuggleCast Episode 784 for March 25, 2007.

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Andrew: [clears his throat] Got an e-mail here this week, Jamie, I'd like to read on the show.

Jamie: Hmmm. Feel free.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Okay, this comes from Carrie of Ann Arbor, Michigan. She writes:

Andrew (Toots) - I ponied up a hundred bucks to help bail out Jamie with his - quote unquote - "Waste of Space" campaign. I think that deserves some sort of service rendered, don't you? I'd like to hear him refer to you as "Toots" exclusively for one episode of MuggleCast, referring to you at least ten times throughout the show.

Jamie: Hmmm.

Andrew: Ummm Jamie, now, Carrie, you might remember, donated a $100...

Jamie: I do.

Andrew: ... as her message just said.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: That's a lot of money. What do you think about this?

Jamie: Well, I have two answers for this question, the first of which is, thank you very much, Carrie, it was actually ridiculously generous of you, and thank you to everyone else who donated. It was an absolute success. But I just can't bring myself to call Andrew, "Toots"...

Andrew: Jamie, Jamie.

Jamie: your 100 bucks will be back in your account soon.

Andrew: Jamie.

Jamie: Okay, I'm lying. Of course I will call you "Toots," Andrew, for a show.

Andrew: Yes! Yes!

Eric: Dude, you can't just give in because somebody donates.

Jamie: I can. I can and I will.

Eric: This is a lifelong commitment to not call Andrew by such a stupid name.

Andrew: I don't believe it's stupid, I think it's a very nice name.

Jamie: Eric...

Eric: Oh, you're British, you always back down.

Jamie: Eric.

Eric: Yeah, just surrender.

Jamie: I'll just write a retraction after the show, it's fine. Don't worry. We'll sort it out, we'll sort it out.

Eric: All right.

Andrew: I'm acting like I didn't hear that.

Jamie: But, yes Carrie, of course I will. So...

Andrew: Alright.

Jamie: ...back to you, Toots.

Andrew: Ah, thank you, Jamie.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: That's one, Jamie, I'm counting.

Andrew: Welcome to the show this week everyone. I'm glad we got that out of the way. We have a lot of news to discuss this week and we have a voicemail bonanza.

Jamie: Whoo-eee.

Andrew: I'm Andrew Sims.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: Why did I say Andrew Sims? I'm Toots.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories, Micah.

Micah: Thanks, Toots. Of course the big news Scholastic announced earlier this week that the US Edition of Deathly Hallows will contain 784 pages, making it the second longest book in the series behind Order of the Phoenix. The US version of the book will have an initial print run of twelve million, and for those concerned about the environment, the publisher has also revealed that each of these copies will be printed on paper that contains a minimum of thirty percent post-consumer waste fiber.

The big movie news, Warner Brothers announced in a press release on Friday that Dan Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint are all officially signed on for the final two Potter films. Each of the three actors along with producer David Heyman were quoted in the release. Of particular concern for the final two films was actress Emma Watson, but she said, "I could never let Hermione go. She is my hero. I love her too much and love what playing her has meant to me. I'm excited and honored to be finishing what I started and playing her in all seven of the films."

The Order of the Phoenix video game is slated for a release one week before the July 13th release of the movie. The game's senior designer has said, "You're going to see all of Hogwarts based on the blueprints from the movie. It's all there and it streams without loading. We're showing some places that have never been seen before, like Grimmauld Place."

Finally, a group of six youngsters recently caused 50,000 pounds worth of damage to the Hogwarts Express used in the Potter films. The group members, some as young as 10, broke into the West Coast railway depot at the former Stevetown site in Conforth, England, and destroyed the train's windows using its emergency hammers. Patricia Marshall, managing director of West Coast Railway, said it will take at least one month to repair because so much damage was caused.

That's all the news for this March 25, 2007, edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Okay, thank you Micah.

Micah: Yo.

Micah Impersonations

Andrew: What did you think of the Micah Tannenbaum impressions on last week's live show?

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Micah: I don't know. You know they...

Jamie: Be brutally honest. No, no, be brutally honest. Go on.

Micah: They weren't up to par. I'm not going to lie.

Jamie: They weren't, were they?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, Micah, nobody can replace you though.

Andrew: So you just got to give them a chance to try to be you.

Jamie: Yeah. Just because you're so cool that other people can't even get close there's no need to...

Micah: I don't believe those were the words I just used, but...

Live Show

Andrew: Speaking of the live show, Jamie and I would like to thank everyone for coming out who came out. It was a great success, I would say. Jamie?

Jamie: It was absolutely excellent. Our first live show in the UK, and although we were nervous before hand, we thought it went pretty well. And if anyone still has any feedback, please don't hesitate to e-mail us and tell us. But yeah, thank you everyone for coming out.

Andrew: Yeah, and that format for the live MuggleCast show, strictly MuggleCast, is what we hope to do in the future here in the US, back again in the UK, so we're looking forward to doing it again, and that show definitely made us confident that we could do some more live shows on our own.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: It was a lot of fun, and I didn't - we apologize about the audio. Next time everyone will be coming up to a mic to speak. Some people didn't think it was that bad. I thought it was bad, [laughs] but whatever. So...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: You're such a perfectionist, Andrew.

Deathly Hallows Page Count

Andrew: So, we do have some news to discuss this week, and of course the big story is that we found out how long- how many pages, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows is going to be.

Eric: Hallows.

Andrew: Seven [mispronounces] hallows. [laughs] I'll never get it right. Hallows. Never get it right.

Jamie: It's such a weird piece of news because it's good because you think, "Oh my god, this year, you know, it's so many pages, think how many we're going to have to get through, 784, that's a load." But then, you know, it's less than Order of the Phoenix, so you think, even the biggest book that we've had... Book know....the sort of ultimate book is going to be smaller than Order of the Phoenix.

Laura: Yeah but it's not...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: That sounded way too enthusiastic.

Laura: Like it's the smallest book in the series.

Jamie: I know.

Laura: It's not by a lot.

Eric: You seem really hurt by that, Jamie.

Andrew: By the way, let's say how many pages it is. It's 784 pages.

Jamie: I said that.

Andrew: You did?

Micah: Hey Andrew, do you know something?

Jamie: Yeah. Pay attention, Toots.

Andrew: Sorry. Okay. Sorry, Jamie.

Eric: Oh. Number two. All right.

Andrew: We got some numbers. I have some numbers here: Sorcerer's Stone, 309 pages; COS, 352; Prisoner of Azkaban, 448; Goblet of Fire, 734; Order of the Phoenix, 896; Half-Blood Prince [in a strange, squeaky voice], 672; and now Deathly Hallows, 784.

Eric: So, actually...

Andrew: Hmm.

Eric: Seeing it as, what you said, 734 was Goblet of Fire in the US.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And this is actually only 50 pages more than that? As opposed to, like, 90 pages more than that? So, I guess you can say it's in between Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix. Not chronologically speaking, of course, but page numbers.

Jamie: Yeah, just in case you got confused there...

[Laura laughs]

Laura: Just in case you didn't know that.

[Everyone laugh]

Andrew: You forgot the order the numbers come in.

Eric: No, no, no. But actually, I think it makes sense in a way. I mean, I would have liked it to be, maybe longer? I don’t know, I'm content with it. The thing to realize with Order of the Phoenix is that she had to keep so much rolling with it, you know...

Andrew: [laughs] No pun intended.

Eric: And you know she couldn't really put an end to anything. So just the fact that this came close to being as long as something, if she was leading us on and continuing to throw storylines and subplots in there. I think it's a good length because she's not doing that and she has to add closure. So, it makes me think that she spent a good deal of time doing that.

Jamie: But do you think those 784 pages includes the epilogue that she's planning on writing? Or is it not?

Micah: You think so?

Andrew: It will include the epilogue, though, because that's part of the story...

Laura: Yeah, it will.

Eric: Well, part of the - one more thing I wanted to mention about the page counts is that it usually means, if they're actually confirming this, if Scholastic is confirming this, it means that they have actually reached a final draft? You guys agree with that?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: With all of the editing, all of the changing, all of the omitting has been cut out, and if anybody knows about publishing, the pages have been typeset and set into pages for publication.

Jamie: Mhm.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: It must completely suck if they say it's going to be 784 pages and then they have to take one word out or it doesn't make sense and it brings it down to 783?

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Right, so...

Jamie: What do you do? What do you do then?

Eric: You sue Scholastic, Jamie. That's exactly what you do. And you make a lot of money. Jaime: I would definitely. You have a solid case there. You promised it would be 784, and it's 783. I want 20 million dollars now. I want my page.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Actually, I wanted to bring that up, Eric. I'm glad you did that. That blows me away, I can't believe the book is actually finished already. It was just early, what was it? January... What? Tenth? Eleventh? Twelfth?

Eric: Twenty-first?

Andrew: Twenty-first? Oh, it was that late? Okay, it was two months ago. It was in January that she finished writing it and already they've edited the book? It's done? I can't believe that!

Eric: Well...

Andrew: It blows my mind.

Laura: Do we know for sure that she actually finished it then or she hadn't finished it...

Jamie: No, no she handed it in when it was half finished, Laura.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: No, no, no. I'm saying...

Andrew: She wrote the date in the hotel room when it was finished.

Laura: Yeah, that's true.

Jamie: Vandalism.

Andrew: I don't know much about the prior books, like how long it took them to edit that, but it just blows my mind that the book is actually finished and when you think about it, there's more to the books than just the text. I mean because there is also the little, like, letters that are written by people that they include and it looks handwritten, and all that.

Eric: Well, for instance...

Andrew: You know what I'm saying?

Eric: Scholastic - and this doesn't necessarily mean the chapter pictures are done, or anything like that. I mean, Mary Grandpre, because they know how big they're going to be. To actually typeset the page for anybody who’s taken Publications and everything like that, it means all the indentations and all the text is fit to the page and that's how they get the kind of page count and they officially released it, so nothing is pretty much changing.

What To Do With a Copy of Deathly Hallows?

Jamie: Can I go off on a slight tangent here and just ask...

Eric: Yes.

Jamie: I was just thinking that it's actually finished and where is it now and...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: If you happen to get a copy of it- not that you would- and put it on Ebay, not that you would...

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: And sell it, how much do you think? In all honesty...

Laura: What are you talking about, Jamie? I already did.

Jamie: Well, me too, but I'm trying to hide it.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: How much would it go for? I would guess... 10 mil.

Jamie: No, the problem... Actually it would...

Laura: Yeah, I would guess 50 million not that I would know, but...

Eric: Uh...

Jamie: Fine, I guess I'll guess 100 million, 200 million, 300 million...

Eric: You guys are forgetting that JK would absolutely rip a new hole in eBay. It would be down and the people selling.

Jamie: We're talking hypothetically, and this is a Harry Potter podcast so, uhhh...

Eric: Well hypothetically there's a large-ass lawsuit between JKR and eBay right now.

Jamie: Okay...

Andrew: That already exists, yeah.

Jamie: Okay, imagine there was a special type of eBay that allowed illegal items to go on there. If you put it on this thing, how much do you think it will sell for?

Eric: Like a black market eBay.

Andrew: Like MuggleBay!

Jamie: Like How much do you think it would go for?

Eric: BlackBay?

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: See, it's such a shame though, Jamie because things with eBay, etc., it's all about who has the money to pay for it.

Awaiting The Cover

Andrew: So, all we're waiting for now is the cover and one thing that we both pointed out in the live show is that since the marketing campaign is starting up on April 17th, the cover has got to be coming very, very soon.

Eric: Ehhh.

Andrew: I can't wait for the cover! Because we're sort of in a slow period right now, I mean we are and we aren't. We have the trailer coming up...

Micah's Request of Jo

Micah: You know, Andrew, we are in a slow period.

Andrew: We are, Micah.

Micah: We are.

Eric: [sings] We are, we are.

Micah: You know what that makes me feel like?

Andrew: What?

Micah: It feels like I need to request something of somebody...

Andrew: Oh, Micah. Not again. I mean, you know. Don't you think you're pushing your luck already?

Jamie: Come on. Yeah.

Micah: No, no. Why? Come on. People want to hear from Jo. People want her to go on the diary and to make a little entry. That's all I'm saying.

Eric: No, no, no, no, no.

Micah: Nothing major.

Andrew: Well about what?

Micah: Just update us on how everything is.

Andrew: Oh Micah. [laughs]

Eric: Micah, Micah, Micah.

Micah: What, Eric? Come on.

Eric: I've always supported you. You know I've always supported you, but I just think if we’re finding out right now that the whole book is done editing, I think she was really pretty busy with that kind of stuff and I think maybe she spent a few nights without Neil, or something. Maybe there actually needs to be a little bit more time because they...

Andrew: More Neil time?

Eric: More Neil time because they actually - and her whole family because they actually just...

Jamie: Sounds like a Nickelodeon show.

Eric: They edited this whole book in two months. I think I would not be upset if we went another at least few weeks without a diary entry. Maybe in a month then I would complained because I want it for my birthday, April 23rd, but beyond that I think...

Micah: That was a very subtle way of...

Laura: Yeah, really.

Micah: ...plugging your birthday right there.

Andrew: Yeah, really. [laughs] All right, well. Micah...

Micah: But Jo, Jo, you know. We have a connection. So, that's all I can say.

Jamie: Micah, one day on the last show I want you to sing like [coughs] excuse me. I want you to... [coughs some more] Oh my god, sorry.

Micah: I can do that right now if you want me too. [pretends to cough]

Jamie: Yeah, I'm just so excited, I can't get this out.

Eric: Just don't die Jamie, or we'll never figure out what going to want him to do!

Jamie: What I would love you to do is to serenade Jo. I want you to put on some violin music and start singing a very, very famous love song and see what she does.

Andrew: I think Micah has a little crush on Jo, if you ask me.

Jamie: I think he does. I think he does. So, let's get some...

Book Length

Andrew: So, moving along. Is everyone happy about the length?

Laura: I am.

Andrew: I mean, I - Laura, why are you happy with the length? Tell me why, Laura.

Micah: And she didn't even see Equus.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Hey! Okay, so Laura, what do you think about the length of the book?

Laura: I think it sounds really, really good because I don't really expect the last book to be as long as Order of the Phoenix, because there's so much that needs to be covered. And I think Jo knows that. And there's really not much wiggle room in this book because there's so much that needs to get done. And I think she knows that. And because she knows that, she probably centered the whole book essentially around what it's supposed to be about; Harry finding the Horcruxes. Harry defeating Voldemort. That's what it's supposed to be about.

Jamie: Absolutely right.

Laura: His final journey. And the idea that 784 pages are going to be devoted to that, really, really...

Jamie: Right.

Laura: ...gets me pumped. I'm so excited.

Micah: Yep.

Jamie: Absolutely right. And if you take Order of the Phoenix, everyone admits - and this isn't to say it was a bad book, but there was stuff in there that could easily be taken out. And you could easily cut it down to like, I don't know, a 700-600 page book.

Laura: Oh yeah. But see, as a fan, I loved it because there was so much extra stuff in there.

Jamie: Of course, but... Of course but, as you say, Deathly Hallows will probably - every single thing will be essential reading. So, in effect, it's a book that's a lot longer than Order of the Phoenix for canon information and tuff like that.

Eric: I kind of - I like that. I like that.

Andrew: Well, yeah. Personally, I think it's a perfect length. It's not too long.

Jamie: It's not too short.

Andrew: But it's not too short - 784. That's a big number. That's a lot of pages. And I think this week the episode number should be MuggleCast Episode 784.

The Number Seven

Laura: Micah, what did you think?

Micah: I thought it was good. I actually got a Miss Cleo-esque email.

Andrew: Yeah?

Micah: From somebody crunching the numbers. I mentioned this to Jamie earlier. It's a very, very inspiring email, saying that the number 784 is just seven greater than 777.

Andrew: [laughing] Oh, wow.

Eric: Wow.

Andrew: [laughing] That's, uh...

Laura: That's amazing.

Eric: Seven more pages than 777.

Micah: That was from...

Eric: Whoa.

Micah: Linda, 15, of New York. So, I'll give her credit.

Andrew: That is so weird. That is so weird.

Jamie: Also, if you add eight, four, and seven, you get nineteen.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: And, if you take twelve away from that, you get seven.

Andrew: Twelve, the number twelve Grimmauld Place.'s The Number Twelve.

Jamie: Guys, guys. Anyone listening now, you are listening to amazing stuff. History is happening here today on this show.

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: I can't take this.

Andrew: And if you take the first two numbers, seven and eight. Multiply them together, you get 56. Divide that by four, and what do you get?

Jamie: I wish I'd taken maths.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Fourteen.

Andrew: Fourteen. Divide that by two.

Micah: Half of fourteen.

Andrew: What do you get? Seven.

Micah: Seven.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Can I just make one last point? If you take the number seven, it is actually [laughs] the number seven. Oh my god.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Oooh. That's my favorite one. Let's leave it off there.


Andrew: All right, well we have a few announcements now, and then we'll move on to some rebuttals. We'd like to thank everyone for voting for us at Podcast Alley. We're currently number two on their website right now. We like being high up there because it gets the word out that we're a big podcast in the podcasting community. We owe everyone, Jamie, two videos.

Jamie: Of me.

Andrew: The first one is the McDonald's video of you eating five Big Macs. And I have that here, and I'm going to edit it soon.

Jamie: Cool. Thank you.

Andrew: I've been kind of busy with school. So, that'll be up on YouTube very soon.

Jamie: It will.

Andrew: And also the suitcase video. I'm sorry it's not out now. I'm honestly - I hate to be the one to be like, "Oh, I'm so busy."

Jamie: Come on, Toots.

Andrew: I've been really busy with school. I'm sorry, Jamie. I'm really - I'm busy with stuff from school right now. I've got people ready to help me out with it. And once - it'll probably be sometime next week that I do put it online. I'm sorry.

Jamie: Andrew?

Andrew: I am a waste of space. I admit it.

Listener Rebuttal: Early Screen of OOTP

Andrew: All right, we've got some rebuttals now. Couple emails. These are some fun e-mails. They're not theories. I like to call these f-e-mails? Fun e-mails.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: F-e-mails.

Micah: Wow!

Andrew: The first one comes from Marie, 23, of New York City. She writes about early screenings that we were talking about, I think, what, two weeks ago?

Hi Guys, love the show. You all brighten my commute every week. I just listened to the Toots episode of MuggleCast, in which you discuss the early screening of 'The Order of the Phoenix.' Early on you were wondering why the theater wasn't packed with movie executives. I work in market research and we often show groups of people concepts for print or TV ads. The people who wrote the ads are never in the room with the people we're showing the ads because their presence could skew results, even if they're pretending to be regular people. They usually watch the reactions to the ads remotely on video. Just a fun fact. I'm sure all of the executives were watching, even if they didn't trek out to the screening.

Good point. And what is also interesting about this, is that they do it in Chicago in America. They don't do it in the UK. So, I guess it's all about the American movie-goers.

Jamie: Must be. Must be. That's all they care about.

Andrew: Yeah.

Listener Rebuttal: New York OOTP Premiere

Andrew: And then we have another email here. Brittany, 16, of Stoneybrook, NY. She has a question for us.

Hey guys, love the show. Just wondering if you know when the New York City premiere of Order of the Phoenix will be. Will you guys be there and will there be a Podcast? Love, Brittany.

And the reason we wanted to put this in this week is because it's getting to that time of the year again where people start asking us over and over again when the premiere will be. We don't know when the premiere will be.

Jamie: That was a bit harsh. That's a bit harsh. People are just wondering.

Andrew: No, no. I mean that...

Eric: We don't know.

Jamie: We're extremely sorry, but we do not actually know, right now, when the podcast is going to be. But as soon as we do, we will let you know.

Andrew: The premiere.

Jamie: Sorry, the premiere.

Andrew: It will be posted on MuggleNet. And, of course, we'll be raving about it here on the show. And as for a live podcast, yeah, we do have plans to do one. Along with the book release, too. We just don't know when yet.

Jamie: Or where.

Andrew: We'll let...

Jamie: When, where and how.

Andrew: Well, if the New York City premiere is in New York City, I'm going to guess the podcast will be in New York City.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Jamie: We're coming out with some crackers, this show. We really are.

Laura: Yeah, really.

Andrew and Jamie's Equus Review

Andrew: All right, yeah so, Jamie?

Jamie: Yes.

Andrew: At the live podcast, we did a little Equus review.

Jamie: Yeah, but...

Andrew: But, unfortunately.

Jamie: ...due to technical difficulties, beyond our control.

Andrew: Yes. Or, well, too much control. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: We accidentally - we missed - the Equus part of our show wasn't recorded.

Jamie: We did. We did.

Andrew: So, you want to kick off a little review? Do it now for everyone?

Jamie: Yeah. Definitely.

Andrew: For everyone?

Jamie: I think we should sum it up, first of all, and just say...

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: It was unbelievable.

Andrew: Really was.

Jamie: In so many words. It really was. And I think...

Eric: In a good or a bad way?

Jamie: In a good way. Completely. I can't talk about Equus without thinking that - for those people who thought, "Oh my god. Is Dan, a.k.a Harry Potter, going to be able to do serious acting, then?" All those people can go watch it and just be completely relieved because he really, really, really can. And I was just amazed. I mean, his voice isn't exactly theatrey yet, but, you know, that comes with time and practice and more and more shows. But he did an absolutely fantastic job. And...yeah.

Andrew: It really was a good job. And personally, I was impressed when he came out on the stage for the first time.

Jamie: Yeah. Complete confidence.

Andrew: I was just like, "Wow. It's not Harry Potter. It's a new Dan Radcliffe."

Jamie: Yeha. And you realize that first rule, you don't think, "Oh, it's Dan. He looks a bit like Harry Potter here." He doesn't at all. You realize he's a completely different actor. And you also realize that he takes his roles extremely seriously, you know. There's no hint of Harry Potter in him, at all, as he comes out.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: It's amazing.

Dan's Performance

Andrew: Yeah. So, there are a couple of things about Dan that we wanted to talk about. He's got the scenes nailed down perfectly at this point.

Jamie: Oh yeah, yeah. Completely.

Andrew: Clearly, he's done a great job in the rehearsals and working with the other actors.

Jamie: Can I say, Andrew loves this scene that he is going to talk about now. He was raving about this for ages.

Andrew: Im just really impressed by it.

Jamie: I know. It was impressive.

Andrew: It was fantastic and I got all into it, and he timed it perfectly.

Jamie: Go on, go on.

Andrew: Theres this one scene where he starts to go mad and hes screaming and he says this thing, "Eck, eck, eck." And the whole mystery through a good part of the play is why he keeps saying eck. And so basically all these lights start going around and the music is all - not the music, but the sound effects - are getting really loud and his voice starts echoing the eck, eck, eck. And then, with the snap of the finger he just shoots up - he was laying down - he just shoots up and just looks around and everything is quiet. It was perfect timing.

Jamie: And just as he sits up, yeah, and all the lights just stop as soon as he sits up. It's absolutely brilliant.

Andrew: Beautiful timing.

Jamie: Can you think how embarrassing it would have been if everything had stopped and he was still lying there?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: Still going, "eck, eck, eck" at the end.

Andrew: And someone offstage is like, "Uh, Dan. Dan, get up."

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: This sounds great, and Im not going to interrupt except to say, what is actually - if you give us a summary of what the play is actually about.

Jamie: Okay, it's...

Eric: Like what happens to Dan, who he is?

Jamie: Daniel plays Alan Strang, who is a 17-year-old, completely normal boy who comes to a child psychologist having blinded six horses with a spike the night before. The play follows the psychiatrists struggle to tap into the boy and see why he blinded these horses. Thats the main plot, but it also focuses on the psychiatrists struggle with his own life; Alans parents struggle with their own life. And it is brilliantly done.

Eric: Well, thank you.

Richard Griffiths' Performance

Andrew: Another person, the guy who plays the psychiatrist in the play.

Jamie: Ah, yeah.

Andrew: No one other than Richard Griffiths.

Jamie: A.k.a. Vernon Dursley.

Andrew: And he does a - I loved him in this play.

Jamie: He's amazing. Amazing.

Andrew: I mean if - yeah. I mean, I really thought he was better than Dan just because he was more experienced.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: And I just really enjoyed his acting.

Jamie: But Andrew, in terms of lines, how many do you think he had? He must have had hundreds.

Andrew: He did have quite a few lines. And there is parts of the play where it's just him talking. For a solid few minutes, too.

Jamie: It's a complete monologue, yeah. Its, I...

Andrew: And I always wonder how actors can memorize so much.

Jamie: Yeah. It's brilliant how he does it. He'll just sit their and lose himself in his script. You wonder how he doesn't just suddenly wake up and think, Oh, oh I was acting there. You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: It was brilliant.

Andrew: And he is so calm and peaceful and serious. And he's got a cigarette most of the time, he's just smoking every once in a while. He coughed that smoke up a little, a few too many times.

Jamie: Which just added to the effect, though, I thought.

Andrew: Oh, I think so, but you could tell it wasn't part of his role. [laughs]

Jamie: Well, yeah.

Andrew: But no. Hes a great actor and just really puts on a fantastic portrayal.

Eric: So, he has more screen time than the Dursleys?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, he has a lot more screen time in the play.

Jamie: A lot, a lot. Yeah, yeah. A lot, lot more.

Eric: Good.

Andrew: Him and Dan are on stage for probably 90...

Jamie: Ninety percent of it, probably?

Andrew: Yeah.

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