MuggleCast 83 Transcript
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Andrew: This week's MuggleCast is also brought to you by Borders. Prepare for the upcoming release of Book 7 by catching a glimpse of where it all began. During the month of April you can purchase Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone on DVD for only $14.99 at Borders. Also be sure to reserve Book 7 at Borders at 40 percent off and get a free sticker. Choose from "Trust Snape" or "Snape is a very bad man."
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Eric: Because, because, because, because, because of the magical things we do, this is MuggleCast Episode 83 for April 1st, 2007.
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Andrew: All right guys, this is the end of the beginning of the end.
Jamie: It is.
Andrew: Does that make sense to you?
Andrew: I mean when we were talking about the release date, I was like, "It's the beginning of the end!" and now it's the end of the beginning of the end. I guess you could also say it's the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of...
Jamie: And then all that in brackets, Andrew.
Jamie: All that in brackets and then "of the end" at the end, because all that's at the end. It's that big.
Laura: Very prophetic.
Andrew: Welcome everyone, to the show. Micah, you got your wish.
Micah: I did.
Eric: Not his wish, it was his command.
Eric: Micah's got the certainty and he's got the tools and the power to make things happen.
Jamie: And the uh-huh-huh?
Andrew: Micah you know, you know, every time you make one of these, I don't have any faith in you, but then sure enough, not days, hours, days later, you get results. I'm impressed.
Jamie: Micah, Micah, I'm a bit broke at the moment, so do you think you can ask her if she can give us a few million?
Micah: Yeah, sure. I'll put in that request.
Jamie: Because I need a new fridge. Thank you very much.
Micah: But I can't do that on the show, though, that wouldn't be right.
Jamie: Well, if you just send her an e-mail to her private e-mail address, that would be fine.
Micah: Off-air, off-air. Yeah.
Andrew: In case you guys forgot, today is April Fool's Day, but unfortunately we have no time for games or jokes or pranks because we have the cover to discuss. We have a lot to discuss about the cover. We also have an exciting little news piece that we all received earlier this week, but we'll get to that a little bit later.
Jamie: Are you sure you're going to...
Jamie: ...are we definitely talking about that, Andrew?
Andrew: We're going to talk about it. I've gotten clearance from the right people, and...
Jamie: Have we got advice from our legal team?
Andrew: ...we have nothing to lose at this point. I really don't think. It's the final book.
Jamie: You're right. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. Harry Potter's almost over. You're absolutely right. Let's just go for it.
Andrew: Okay. All right, I'm Andrew Sims.
Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Micah: and I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
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Andrew: All right, Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in the MuggleCast news center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Micah, what could possibly be on the news table today?
Micah: Thanks, Simsy. Of course, the big news this week a new portrait was released of Gary Oldman in the character of Sirius Black for the upcoming Order of the Phoenix movie. I'm just kidding. Back on Wednesday, Bloomsbury and Scholastic together released the cover art for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. The full jacket for the US version shows both Harry and Voldemort apparently engaged in a bit of wand-less magic. The UK children's edition, however, is a bit more descriptive. We'll discuss all that later in the show and the British adult version of the book appears to have Slytherin's locket on the cover.
Bloomsbury also announced today that the UK edition will be 608 pages long. As previously announced the US version of the book will have 784 pages, making it longer than Goblet of Fire. However, the UK page count makes Deathly Hallows shorter than the British Goblet of Fire. Who cares about the page count? We're all going to read the book anyway.
On The Today Show, US Editor of the Harry Potter books, Arthur Levine, stated that "We're seeing Harry in a very interesting situation. Readers will find out exactly what the situation is." He was of course referring to the cover art. He also stated that this was a very emotional book for him to read.
And it was announced earlier this week that the US Deathly Hallows audiobook will be released on July 21st, the same day that the book comes out. The Listening Library (which creates the audiobooks) also said that the story will run over 21 hours and retail for $79.95.
Last September, Entertainment Weekly caught up with the actors on the Order of the Phoenix set where they were in the midst of shooting the climax Department-of-Mysteries sequences. Be sure to check out all of the interview over on Mugglenet.com.
And finally, a listing on Amazon.com has revealed that the Order of the Phoenix soundtrack will be released on July 10th at a price of $18.95. And I wasn't joking earlier about the portrait of Sirius Black. You can check out all of the new photos from Order of the Phoenix that came out this past week over on Mugglenet.com.
That's all the news for this April 1st, 2007 edition of MuggleCast, back to the show.
Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah.
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Micah: I don't think there's anything - no news this week, guys, right?
Jamie: Nothing, nothing.
Micah: Nothing big, nothing major.
Andrew: Actually, we're going to discuss it all. You don't even need a news segment. Guess it's a little late now, because it just played. I mean - whoops.
Eric: Ha ha. Whoops.
Andrew: But anyway, we have a few announcements to get to - actually we just have a couple quick announcements to get to first, and then we'll move on to the main story this week, of course the three covers being released. We want to remind everyone to vote for us at Podcast Alley. We're number two -- we're at the number two spot right now, actually- but it's going to be a new month today, starting today, it's a new month over at Podcast Alley so place your vote for us to keep us up top.
Andrew: And we appreciate that very much. Also, a special programming note: Jamie your special episode is coming this Wednesday.
Jamie: It is.
Andrew: What do we have to look forward to?
Jamie: I thought I'd give them a - well, it's a kind of - it is isn't a totally normal show. It's a special show. What we've done is we've recycled some of the old segments we used to use - albeit not too well in some cases, but we've recycled them and hopefully it will be a trip down memory lane for everyone who has been listening awhile. We've done such favorites as Spy on Spartz, What if, the Dueling Club and stuff like that, so look forward to that on Wednesday.
Cover Discussion Initial Reaction
Andrew: Yes, very much. So, we'll look forward to that. All right, so let's get right into our main discussion this week. Of course the covers were all released this past Wednesday, March 28, 7:00 A.M. in the morning. Were you guys up.
Jamie: I was up.
Andrew: You were, Jamie. It was noon your time, wasn't it?
Jamie: Yes, it was. Actually, I lied. I actually wasn't up. I had quite a lie-in today.
Andrew: Oh, did you?
Jamie: A 3:00 P.M. lie in.
Andrew: Oh, yeah.
Jamie: I went to bed extremely, extremely late, because, because the new Prison Break came out yesterday and I wanted to watch it and I couldn't because it was taking a long time to, ummm...
Micah: Come through the TV across the Atlantic.
Jamie: Download? To come through the TV, yeah. And it was taking so long to do that I had to wait and wait and wait and wait and finally it did it and it was awesome, so I'm so glad I stayed up.
Andrew: So, we got the cover...
Jamie: So, yeah. We got the covers.
Andrew: [laughs] And gosh, I don't even know where to start. There's so much to talk about. I guess we'll start with initial reactions because when I first saw the United States edition, I just thought it was a little too simplistic at first.
Andrew: The cover...
Jamie: It's just a picture of Harry. [laughs]
Andrew: I mean compared to the previous books, I mean, I really think the first book had the most detail in it. There's a lot going on the front cover and even on the back cover, and I don't know - what do you think, Laura? The seventh one, it just - it was very bare, but I think there was a lot of meaning behind all of it.
Laura: Yeah, I think so too. Whenever I first saw it, in the initial thumbnail size, I was like 'What is this? It's just a picture of Harry?' And when I pulled it up I was kind of disappointed with it at first. Because I just - like you said - it just seemed way too simple, but then the more and more I looked at it, I started noticing things like, in my humble opinion, they're in the Death Chamber, and you notice the shadows of all the people standing around the edges of where they are. You notice that their standing up on rubble and all sorts of stuff. So you know there's got to be something going down at the Ministry. And, you know, it kind of grew on me a little bit. I like the colors. I like the way Harry's presented.
Jamie: See? I just could not get excited about it. I can't put much thought by the book covers and I think they're book covers because the first thing you look at when you enter the store is the book cover so they're made to be attractive and you know, be colorful and to draw people's attention. And they aren't made to be true to the things. And although there will be hidden details, it's extremely exciting to look for, that comes after your initial reaction. So first of all I didn't really, I wasn't too, I don't want to say I wasn't too bothered because I was extremely excited, but it wasn't like the title I jumped up and down and broke six windows before I finally calmed down.
Eric: Jamie that surprises me though, Jamie, because...
Jamie: Why? Did you break seven?
Eric: I did.
Eric: But also because the UK covers and you'll presumably be getting a UK book...
Jamie: Actually Eric I'm going to fly over...
Eric: Oh, right. Well, no, I figured you'd be here in July.
Eric: So, I don't know. You'll be getting...what will be the first copy you
Jamie: I'm going to get a British one. I must say I've always liked the British ones more than the US ones...
Laura: Me too.
Jamie: And this is no exception, I must say, I think this one's amazing. Actually I can't believe I just said after I said I wasn't excited, but this one is pretty cool...
Eric: Right, you broke your own rule there. I'm actually pretty excited. But I was the opposite, Jamie. I actually preferred some of the US covers at least...
Eric: ...for Order of the Phoenix, especially. Even though the phoenix is awesome, they kind of go hand in hand.
Jamie: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Eric: It didn't really show favoritism.
Eric: But not that it's that different with Book 7, but if you look at the UK cover, which is the one you'll be getting and the one I'll be getting here in New Zealand...
Eric: It's just absolutely...every book kind of has a color scheme as Alice was saying to me the other night, just last night, because we found out at 2 o'clock this morning. Thanks Andrew! And every book has kind of a color scheme but this one, this UK edition has every single color and every thing. It's a variety of hues. All sorts of blues and gold, and I don't even know what they are doing, but...
Andrew: It's a very colorful book and I think that's one of the things that struck me about this UK version was that how colorful it was. I just don't see the book being - because when I think colorful, I think cheery and bright.
Andrew: And this one's very vibrant with very sharp colors...
Andrew: And it was sort of like this can't represent the final book. The book's going to be so dark.
Eric: It's ironic.
Jamie: Didn't you guys notice the background color, black, symbolizes death, mourning...
Jamie: You know, that's what I saw first of all. I thought, "Oh my god! It's black." You know, the back thing is black. And first impression was the castle on the back looked like a sort of Disney palace: Aladdin's palace.
UK Edition: Hogwarts?
Laura: Yeah, you guys don't think that's Hogwarts, do you?
Andrew: Well, let's start with that. Let's try to move from one thing, to another.
Andrew: I mean, there's tons of things to talk about...
Micah: I agree with that.
Andrew: Do you think it's Hogwarts? I think it is! It's got to be.
Laura: I don't think so...
Jamie: I think it's got to be as well.
Eric: It is. It's that simple. It's Hogwarts.
Jamie: I'm expecting too see Jafar come around the corner...
Andrew: It looks like it's from Aladdin.
Micah: The tree is there.
Andrew: I mean...
Jamie: And the flying carpet.
Andrew: I think the castle's lit up like that, like it's being illuminated by the moonlight.
Andrew: Because that moon is so huge that it's sort of- But that wouldn't explain why it would be completely- It's almost like, I would say, it would be iced over.
Jamie: It does. An ice palace.
Laura: Well, it almost looks the way that it's very rounded, like the towers and stuff.
Laura: Have you noticed that? It almost has a very Arabian-type look to it.
Laura: It doesn't look like it's thousands of years old...
Eric: If you think about it...
Laura: It doesn't look like it's one thousand years old.
Micah: Well the Whomping Willow is there.
Andrew: Is that the Whomping Willow? It must be...
Eric: It's a tree and it's black. That's actually the thing that I was going to
point out is even though there is a lot of color, if you look the far left on the back cover it's - you know right near the ISBN...
Eric: ...there's the black kind of darkness, dark shroud that the cloud, the blue chilly icy moon light' an almost ice palace. I'm going to go out on foreshadowing here and say the circular tower structures represent time being circular and everything coming full circle and the whole series is just... Bah, I think it's Hogwarts.
Jamie: [singing] One step, ahead of the...Hogwarts
Eric: [singing] Breadline. [starts snapping his fingers] One step ahead of the mob. I...
Laura: I don't know...you guys, I mean, Jamie...
Jamie: Has what? Sorry.
Micah: Jamie, has Hogwarts ever been displayed on the books before?
Laura: I think so because...
Jamie: Ah, you know what? I don't know because...
Laura: In the...
Jamie: I've left my books at university and I'm home now. [laughs] And I can't remember.
Laura: Well, in the Goblet of Fire version...
Laura: ...I can't remember if it shows up on the cover, but I know that on the inside flap it shows the inside of Hogwarts.
Jamie: Yeah, what clearly, I mean this is different. This moonlight think doesn't...
Laura: Doesn't look natural.
Jamie: The moonlight's the big thing in this. Do you think it's a werewolf reference? Or...
Andrew: I mean it could be, I mean those clouds are really eerie too. They're not just up in the sky, they're like rolling onto Hogwarts, it almost looks like.
Andrew: So, that's kind of interesting.
Micah: It's eerie, but it's almost calming in a way. It looks like everything is very peaceful. Almost like a calm before the storm.
Andrew: Well yeah, if that is Hogwarts what on earth is that symbolizing, the icy Hogwarts I'm just going to keep calling it.
Jamie: No, call it -I don't know, Aladdin's palace.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah I mean, just real quick...
Laura: Oh, go ahead.
Andrew: The Hogwarts ground is closest to you is perspective. The grounds are green and then the rest is all icy. It's kind of weird. What were you thinking
Jamie: Perhaps it's a Dementor thing.
Andrew: Oh maybe.
Laura: Well what I was thinking was if you look at the front of that cover the trio, they are all sitting on this pile of gold and gold and rubies and all of this different...
Jamie: That's really interestin.
Eric: It is.
Laura: All of this talisman-looking things, but those seem to match the palace looking thing a lot better than they would match Hogwarts.
Andrew: That's a good point.
Laura: You know, because it seems like the whole theme of that cover is items of value, almost.
Eric: I think it's too late to introduce a whole 'nother castle into the series, I mean I think it's very...
Jamie: Perhaps it's Beauxbatons?
Eric: It could be, maybe.
Jamie: That's the kind of impression I got. The willowy air of...
Laura: Yeah, maybe.
Jamie: ...of, you know, Fleur. That looks very Beauxbatonish.
Andrew: Oh yeah.
Jamie: Very Beauxbatonish, but this treasure thing it really interested me because it actually reminds me of -and if anyone's seen this please tell me because I don't think I've heard of anyone who has ever seen this - there was a cartoon, Duck Tales, and they had...
Jamie: ...a special called Treasure of the Lost Land?
Jamie: And there was this warlock who would - oh what was his name? I don't remember his name. Morlock or something like that. And he stole this treasure. And this treasure just looks identical to that. And that has made no perceptive point about Harry Potter whatsoever, but I just thought I'd mention it.
Eric: [laughs] I remember Duck Tales, Jamie. I saw that too.
Jamie: Oh, good.
UK Edition: House Elf
Andrew: What I love about this cover is there is a lot talk about here. I mean, first of all, who...
Jamie: Yeah, there really is.
Andrew: Obviously, that must be a house elf behind Harry.
Andrew: Dobby or Kreacher?
Jamie: Dobby, yeah.
Andrew: I'm going to go for Dobby.
Laura: And why are they holding a sword?
Eric: It's the Godric Gryffindor sword.
Andrew: Yeah, I was going to say, that's Godric Gryffindor's, isn't it?
Jamie: Well, if we...
Laura: Yeah, but, like, why?
Eric: And I didn't even notice, until you said it, I didn't even notice that it was a Dobby or a house elf holding Gryffindor's sword.
Jamie: It looks like Ron.
Andrew: Well, yeah. At first I thought it was Ron. Yeah, but then you can see...
Eric: Small, clawed hands.
Andrew: The skin tone.
Laura: Yeah, the skin tone.
UK Edition: Trio's Appearance
Jamie: But can I just say, what is Hermione wearing?
Andrew: [Laughs] Is it a nightgown?
Jamie: She clearly doesn't shop at the decent places nowadays.
Andrew: See, now...
Jamie: She should have straightened her hair before going into battle.
Andrew: Hermione and Ron both look like they're wearing something...
Andrew: It's not a Hogwarts robe. It's not a...
Eric: It's very billowing.
Andrew: It's not something they would wear at Hogwarts, I don't think. And Harry, you can't really tell.
Jamie: I hate to point this out, but the clothes that Harry's wearing are black. And we all know what black represents.
Andrew: Ah, yes.
Micah: And Harry looks like he's been through battle in that picture.
Jamie: He does.
Andrew: Oh, a lot of battle.
Laura: So does Hermione.
Jamie: What's reflected in his eyes?
Laura: If you look at both of them, there are bruises...
Jamie: Yeah, and cuts. Yeah.
Laura: ...all over Hermione's arms.
Laura: And Harry's got them all over his face. But Ron doesn't look like he's been damaged at all.
Eric: Ron just looks scared.
Jamie: Can I just say - I love Harry's hair. Harry's hair looks awesome.
Eric: Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew: Well, it's like Harry and Ron's are both blowing in one direction, it almost looks like. But then Hermione's is just like all over the place. I don't want to get off topic, but Harry looks just...
Jamie: Harry just looks a picture of elegance.
[Eric and Micah laugh]
Andrew: No, Harry looks like Waldo on this cover.
Jamie: He must tell us where he gets his hair done.
Eric: He does look like Waldo.
Jamie: He does, yeah.
Eric: Put him in a red, striped shirt.
UK Edition: The Treasure
Eric: No, guys, actually this reminds me, even though it's treasure, I wasn't quite sure what the blue was. If it was like glass or something.
Jamie: It looks it, doesn't it?
Eric: What it reminded me of was all the shiny, fizzing things in Dumbledore's office.
Micah: Well, if you look...
Eric: Now, it's clearly not because it's treasure. It's actual gold-like items. Like you can see like a goblet and things. It just...
Micah: Well no, they look like actual pieces of armor, though.
Jamie: It looks like pieces of what, sorry?
Micah: There's a helmet there. There's a shield there.
Eric: Where's the helmet?
Micah: The helmet is right above J.K. Rowling. It's got a dragon on top of it.
Andrew: Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right.
Eric: Oh, wow.
Jamie: Where is it?
Eric: Oh my gosh.
Jamie: Where is it?
Eric: You have to look to see it, though.
Andrew: The helmet right above Rowling.
Eric: It's not very clear, but it's a helmet because you...
Jamie: On what? On which one?
Andrew: The UK cover.
Eric: The UK cover.
Andrew: All right, everyone talk at once. I mean, nobody talk at once. [laughs]
Eric: UK cover.
Jamie: The adult one, you mean?
Andrew: No, no, no. US. No, I mean, UK children's.
Andrew: Right above Rowling. Where it says Rowling at the bottom. J.K. Rowling.
Jamie: Yeah, what's the...
Andrew: Right above it.
Eric: Look above the "L." The "L" is where the nosepiece comes over it. And then, there's kind of an eye.
Jamie: Yes, I see. Oh, I see. Okay, yeah.
Eric: That's the helmet.
Jamie: The dragon one, yeah. Okay, cool.
Eric: A dragon helmet.
Andrew: And then, what's that underneath Harry's left arm? Is that like a shield?
Andrew: Yeah, you think so?
Laura: Yeah, I think so.
Andrew: It doesn't look very big.
Micah: Very King Arthur-like.
Jamie: What's the thing underneath Ron's foot? It's like a...
Andrew: It's armor.
Eric: It's a shield. It's a chest plate. There's arm holes.
Jamie: Oh, yes. Yeah.
Eric: Look, it's arm holes. I didn't notice this.
Andrew: And then who is on that? What kind of creature? It looks like a snake, doesn't it?
Eric: It is.
Andrew: How it's sort of wrapping up the...
Eric: Oh, no. No, it's not a dragon thing.
Andrew: At the top it looks like a bird.
Eric: It's the thing that guards Dumbledore's office. What is that?
Jamie: The gargoyle-thing.
Eric: The gargoyle. No, the bird. The...
Jamie: Can I just ask, how many of you have your necks craned now?
Andrew: I am right now, actually. [laughs]
Jamie: Same here, same here.
Jamie: My neck actually hurts, I'm so close to it.
Jamie: I could almost kiss Harry.
Eric: Because you can see the bird beak and eye, but you can also see, like a wingspan. Like this incredible - wow. But that's not necessarily on the chest plate. It could be reflected in the chest plate, maybe? Do you think?
Micah: Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Eric: Or something.
UK Edition: The Archway
Jamie: Haven't we also have to point out that Ron and Hermione look pretty scared, but Harry just looks completely determined.
Andrew: Very much so, yeah.
Eric: Well, it looks like they've entered a chamber. Sorry, Andrew. It looks like they've just entered a chamber. If you look at the thing behind them. It looks like a circle, but it's not. It's actually just like a rounded doorway.
Laura: It's an archway.
Eric: It's an archway, but it's glowing.
Andrew: It sort of is.
Eric: Sort of.
Jamie: But what's the stuff around it? Is that like a wall or is that like a substance? Because it doesn't look a wall...
Andrew: You mean the color? The red color?
Jamie: Or very solid. Yeah, the red.
Jamie: It doesn't look like a wall. It just looks like...
Andrew: You know what's interesting? What's inside of this archway, it's like the same color as the...
Andrew: ...sky in the United States edition.
Jamie: Yes, it is. Very bloody type...
Laura: You know what I found interesting about the sky, not to take us too far off topic, but it looks like...
Andrew: Well, can we save it for the US part?
Andrew: Because I think people...
Laura: Yeah, that's fine.
Jamie: Can I...
Andrew: Go ahead, Jamie.
UK Edition: Prongs
Jamie: What about the unicorn?
Eric: Where's the unicorn?
Jamie: What about the stag?
Andrew: Oh, okay. Yeah.
Eric: What stag?
Andrew: The stag on...
Jamie: The stag on the bottom right-hand corner of the - Prongs, I see, obviously.
Eric: I missed it. Where are we talking about?
Andrew: On the bottom right...
Jamie: The bottom right of the UK children's where it says 17.99.
Andrew: Of the cover.
Eric: I'm looking, but I don't see it.
Andrew: The fold. Past the fold. Keep going right, Eric. You've got to look at the full one with the back cover.
Eric: Oh, right. Sorry, I just didn't scroll right. That's my bad.
Jamie: Okay. I think it's Prongs.
Laura: Oh, yeah.
Jamie: But, 18 pounds? Are they joking?
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Jamie: 36 dollars? Oh my - I'm not buying...
Andrew: You're not going to buy it?
Andrew: Yeah, right. Well, that's interesting that he's on there. Because that sort of means that it's emphasizing that Prongs might play more of a role.
Jamie: Make a reappearance.
Andrew: I mean, because I remember with the Half-Blood Prince UK edition, there was that ring. Gaunt's ring. It was Gaunt's ring, right?
Andrew: And I mean - I don't know. I guess I don't want to over-read into it, but...
Jamie: No, you do. You do.
Andrew: I guess. Well, what do you think? What do you think, Jamie?
Jamie: About Prongs? I think it just points out the importance of a Patronus. It has been shown that it isn't just a charm to repel dementors. You know, it can do that. It can also, as shown in Fantastic Beasts, be a charm to repel the Lethifold, the mythical, tropical creature. It can be a method of communication, we think, between Order members. And when Harry is on the train and Draco Malfoy hurts him, and then he goes up to the college with Tonks. Yeah, I think it just points out the importance of that. And perhaps the love connection with his family and...
Jamie: You know, clearly these are all symbolic.
Eric: Patronuses are real reflections of your inner self, is all I wanted to say.
Jamie: What? Patronuses?
Andrew: And we talked about this on a show a few months back about how beautiful it would be to see Harry use a Patronus to either defeat Voldemort or just play a big role because it's Harry's dad. It's his inner self that is coming out to save the day.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: And it would be a beautiful ending.
Jamie: It would be amazing.
Andrew: Although, the US cover sort of contradicts that kind of ending. Because it looks like Harry and Voldemort are on, you know, that's their final battle, but let's finish...
Eric: Well, let's not forget that there's a battle up ahead.
UK Edition: Falling In or Coming Out
Andrew: Yeah, well let's finish. I had one question about this UK cover here. Are they falling into it? Or are they coming out?
Andrew: Because it looks like Ron's falling in...
Laura: ...but the other two are coming out. Or Hermione's being pulled in and Ron's falling in.
Jamie: What, do you mean being sucked in?
Eric: Oh, wait.
Jamie: Are they being sucked backwards?
Andrew: Maybe not just being - Are they being sucked in?
Eric: What if they're being sucked backwards?
Andrew: Or are they coming out? I can't tell.
Jamie: I think they're being sucked backwards into it. Like, Hermione's feet are going in first. Because if you look...
Jamie: If you look at her hair it is flowing forwards, which gives us...
Eric: It's not sucked backwards.
Laura: Yeah, all of their hair is flowing forwards really.
Jamie: Which, you know, it looks like they're being sucked in, but then if you look at, if you look at...
Jamie: Ron, he's - Harry's face, you mean?
Andrew: Well, what were you going to say?
Jamie: I was going to say, Ron's face. He's looking in fear or something, and leaning backwards. So it could be that they are all going back into it because they've seen something.
Andrew: Yeah. Although...
Jamie: But then the coins are flying backwards, I think, as well. But...
Micah: Harry looks like he's going forward, though, like he's determined...
Andrew: Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Micah: Maybe he's letting them go and going forward on his own.
Jamie: And Dobby's hand seems to be placed forward as well.
Andrew: He's in like a charging position almost.
Jamie: Well, perhaps they are being sucked backwards and he is going forwards for the final battle.
Micah: Could be.
UK Edition: Dobby or Kreacher?
Andrew: Or like, is Dobby riding back? Is he riding on Harry's back?
Jamie: Yes Andrew, he's riding Harry "Brokeback" style.
Andrew: Oh no, Jamie, that's not what I meant. I meant, is he riding on Harry's back, like, or is he sort of grasping Harry to pull him in, or...?
Jamie: I think it looks...
Andrew: I mean, there's so many ways that this could be interpreted. I love it.
Jamie: Well, you wouldn't think that Dobby would raise his sword if he was going backwards into it, you'd think he'd, you know, be flying forwards.
Jamie: Yeah, I think that. And also this - It could be that, perhaps, Dobby is pulling them backwards with his power, you know.
Micah: Well, who says it's Dobby?
Jamie: That kind of thing.
Micah: If it's Kreacher, then...
Micah: It could be a betrayal.
Andrew: Why would it be Kreacher?
Eric: No, it's not Kreacher.
Andrew: It can't be Kreacher.
Laura: Well, Harry does own Kreacher.
Jamie: Dobby is going to be there. He's proven himself.
Andrew: He does own Kreacher, but Dobby is willing to help.
Andrew: And Kreacher's not.
Laura: But who says that that elf right there is helping?
Micah: Right. That was my point.
Jamie: He could be evil...
Andrew: Well, he's taking Gryffindor's sword, so...
Eric: He's actually taking Gryffindor's sword to kill Harry. Yes.
Eric: That makes sense to me.
Eric: Well, I mean, it could be another house elf, but just the fact...
Jamie: That would be ironic.
Eric: Just the fact that it's wielding Gryffindor's sword makes me think it's Dobby because Dobby has been incredibly loyal to Harry.
Jamie: I agree. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. I just realized - you know what would be the ultimate cover? If it looked like the sword was upside down as if he was stabbing Harry.
Andrew: The fans would go nuts these next three months.
Andrew: Four months. It would be like, "Is Harry actually going to die?" But anyway, sorry.
UK Edition: In Essence Divided
Laura: I had one more question.
Micah: What do you think about...
Eric: Well, I think it is time to move on.
Andrew: Hold on one second.
Micah: No, Laura's got a question.
Laura: I've got a question.
Andrew: Laura's got a question.
Laura: What is this thing over here? It's like an orb.
Jamie: Oh, yeah.
Micah: I have my theory.
Laura: On the other flap of the cover. And it has a snake in it.
Andrew: Oh yeah.
Micah: I have my theory. I talked to Jamie about this earlier, and I'm not sure...
Jamie: And I almost died from excitement.
Jamie: I flew across and kissed Micah on the forehead, it was so good.
Eric: What are we talking about?
Jamie: This is very good.
Jamie: We are talking about - if you look at the UK edition...
Eric: Yep. Got it.
Jamie: On the far left, that thing.
Jamie: Go on Micah, you sexy beast, you.
Micah: Now, I'm not one hundred percent sure about this because when I went back and read it in Chamber of Secrets I wasn't convinced that it was the same thing. But if you remember back in Dumbledore's office there is that moment with Harry when those two snakes sort of come out of that instrument that he has.
Laura: Oh, yeah.
Micah: And he makes that comment, "in essence divided." So, I don't know if that's connected in any way.
Eric: You know what?
Micah: It may only be one snake in there. That's my question.
Eric: Wait a minute.
Micah: There's also - If you look in that orb, though, there is a window in there.
Laura: Yeah, I was just looking at that.
Micah: Which is kind of weird.
Eric: It's a window in the reflection. In the reflection.
Jamie: It's a window in the sky.
Andrew: [laughs] I'm not going to. Not today.
Jamie: That looks kind of like the window in Aladdin's palace, right in the top, right...
Eric: No, I'm sorry it doesn't. It's not doing it for me, Jamie.
Jamie: Oh, it's not doing it for you?
Eric: [laughs] No.
Jamie: That's a bit of a shame. But what is, I want to say Palantia, and I'm sure I've pronounced it wrong, the one in Lord of the Rings. It looks like that. Actually, it doesn't look a bit like that. I don't know why I've just said that. But it reminds me of that.
Micah: My other thought was, could it be a prophecy?
Laura: Oh, yeah.
Andrew: Well, that was my first thought.
Laura: With a snake inside it?
Eric: I think due to...
Andrew: [laughs] That's the one question.
Eric: Due to that it's colored, it's in color, it's not completely blue, I would like to think it is not a prophecy. In essence. I mean...
Eric: I don't know why that makes sense to me, but I think because part of it is colored in, part of it - I think it is like an illusion inside the glass sphere. Like, exactly whatever Dumbledore, his instrument. And I said this reminded me of his office. So...
Jamie: But also, they look like real snakes.
Jamie: I mean, in that - in Chamber of Secrets, didn't he say that is was whispery snakes? Like, smoke snakes? Instead of real ones.
Micah: Yeah, that's exactly what they were. They came out of his instrument.
Laura: Well, see, it's weird because...
Jamie: But these are like actual snakes.
Eric: The danger is more real than it was in Book 2.
Jamie: Well, perhaps, yeah.
Laura: Kind of going along with the ice theme, if you look, one of them looks icy and the other one doesn't. Which would sort of go along with, you know, Micah talking about "in essence divided." Kind of to show the difference between the two of them.
Jamie: "In essence," though, is that like a horcrux? Divided, in essence divided? Or are you talking about more figuratively.
Laura: Well, I was just kind of remarking that one of them is frozen, the other one is not.
Jamie: That is true, yeah.
Micah: Maybe neither can live while the other survives. I don't know.
Jamie: Oh, I've just realized it's another Aladdin reference. When he says, you know, "Come and fight you cowardly snake." And he's like, "Snake, am I?"
Eric and Jamie: "Let's see how snakelike I can be."
Jamie: Yeah, that.
Jamie: I think it's that. I honestly think that J. K. Rowling thinks, "I can't think of anything original, so I'm just going to borrow stuff from Disney, and this is it."
Jamie: Seriously, watch this space.
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