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UK Adult Cover

Andrew: All right, do you guys want to move on to the - We'll get to the book summaries at the end. But do you want to get on to the UK adult cover first?

Jamie: Adult one. Sure. UK Adult.

Andrew: All right, I mean...

Jamie: Now, there's a person on the back. I've seen her before.

Andrew: I couldn't...

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: Can't quite place her face.

Andrew: It took me awhile to figure out.

Jamie: Yeah, she's the queen.

Andrew: Oh, is that who it is?

Jamie: Yeah, the Queen of England. Famous author.

Andrew: I thought it was that lady I saw on Pop Idol while I was over there.

Jamie: [laughs] Yeah, it was, it was her. It was both actually. She's the Queen of England, you see.

Andrew: No, But seriously. All right, go ahead, Laura.

Laura: Whenever I first saw this - this is the adult cover. The first thing I thought was that that locket looks like it came from the dollar store.

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: It does.

Laura: It really does.

Jamie: It doesn't fit.

Eric: It's supposed to. It's so you wouldn't suspect that it actually has one seventh of Voldemort's soul inside it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: [laughs] I mean, it really doesn't...

Jamie: You wouldn't, would you?

Laura: ...look remotely like...i

Eric: It says "S." It's got rubies. It's got - It's a locket.

Laura: They're not even rubies. They're like pulled-apart Mardi Gras beads.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Okay, okay.

Jamie: Well, he...

Andrew: I think it's kind of cool.

Jamie: Well, you know Laura, Voldemort was tired. He didn't know what to do. He just went to the dollar store and said, "Do you have any Slytherin lockets?"

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: What you don't know...

Jamie: And they said, "Oh, you're in luck, sir."

Andrew: I think the design is pretty cool, actually. I kind of like how the - I don't even know what you would want to call it, the Mardi Gras beads...

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: ...are formed in the shape of the S. And then where they get smaller as they go further down the "S."

Laura: I don't think the locket itself looks bad. I think it is mostly the green beading That it just...

Jamie: Well, why is it on there, then?

Andrew: Well, Laura, why don't you make a better one, and submit it to Bloomsbury?

Laura: Fine.

Andrew: Maybe they'll replace it.

Jamie: Yeah, Laura.

Laura: I will.

Andrew: The book hasn't gone to print yet.

Jamie: And you can put a horcrux in there as well.

Micah: Go out to...

Jamie: You try to put half your soul in there, Laura, then you'll fail...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: All right, so are we all in agreement that this is R.A.B.'s horcrux? I mean, or locket, there's not really that much to...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, there's no question.

Andrew: ...discuss with it.

Jamie: Clearly, it's obviously of immense importance if it is on the thing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: But is it symbolic of all the horcruxes as a whole? Or is it this specific item that is important?

Laura: Maybe it's the last one.

Andrew: This one just has to play, really - well, I mean, if we look at the past adult covers, the Goblet of Fire one had the Goblet of Fire.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: The Order of the Phoenix one had, what, was it a phoenix? Or what was it?

Jamie: I can't remember. Yeah, it was, I think. Yeah, it was a phoenix, yeah.

Andrew: And then Half-Blood Prince had the book, the diary, the potions book. And then this one just has straight up the locket.

Micah: Yeah. Yeah, I don't...

Andrew: Which is interesting because this was in Book 6, you know, and so many people have been speculating about it, and now it's on the cover.

Eric: Andrew, that's exactly it. I think this symbolizes all the stuff that's been pre-hinted at, and all the stuff that the series has been building up towards previously. And the locket itself – it might not be special significance except that it might be one of the remaining Horcruxes, but just that it is one of the things that has been introduced previously, and is going to play a really big part.

Jamie: Yeah. There's a genie inside.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Harry rubs it and the genie come out and gives him three wishes.

Eric: Because he...

Jamie: And he says, "I want to wish for a million wishes..."

Micah: Voiced by Robin Williams.

Jamie: ... and "I can't bring anyone back from the dead. It's not happy feelings; I don't like doing it!"

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Micah, do you have any thoughts on this cover?

Micah: I think they're always going to be a bit more - I don't want to say mundane, but...

Jamie: Simplistic, though, but coolly simplistic.

Micah: Yeah, I mean they're more adult-like, definitely. I guess there's more of a mature look to them, but I definitely like - of all of them, I like the UK children's version the best.

Andrew: I agree.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: I don't particularly like this one.

Jamie: It has no substance.

Eric: They look like J.D. Rob novels or something, I don't know - the adult covers.

Jamie: What substance is the locket on? It looks very sort of...

Andrew: It looks sort of stone.

Eric: I actually don't think that's...

Jamie: It looks like a Voldemort substance, you know. It doesn't look very Harry-like.

Micah: Like a cave rock.

Jamie: Do you think he comes back into possession of it? Yeah, yeah, it does. Perhaps it's the -

Eric: Considering where I'd like to prefer to believe that the locket is, in Grimmauld place, I'd like to believe that this locket is actually just in nowhere, meaning it's not really up against, say, rock, for instance, because it's still in a cave.

Jamie: It's in limbo.

Eric: It's in limbo. I think the rock is just for lighting effect. You know, the terrain and the ruggedness. I don't actually think that's, like, a location where the locket would be, even though it was supposed to be in the cave.

US Cover: The Sky

Andrew: Mhm. Well, I guess we should move on now to the US cover, which we originally started off with. [laughs] And then we went full circle with everythin else.. That's okay. There's - I mean, okay I didn't see it coming as an orange book.

Laura: Yeah, me neither, but, I mean...

Micah: It's very ominous, though.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, I do like it.

Andrew: It is ominous, I guess.

Laura: What's interesting about it - what I was going to mention earlier is that if you look at this, it looks like early in the morning.

Jamie: It does.

Andrew: Yeah, and you know, and I thought that, and then I realized that it would be so cool if the battle was just all night...

Laura: Yeah, all night long.

Andrew: ...and then the setting. Yeah.

Jamie: And then at sunrise, they thought, well, we've been fighting all night, let's just call it a day, go and get breakfast.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, I hear McDonalds opens in another half hour, you want to get some McGriddles and then we'll continue this? [laughs]

Eric: They're sitting in IHOP, across from each other, and there's very funny scenes that can be written about Harry and Voldemort at IHOP, but... [laughs]

Andrew: But seriously, I just thought that it would be a perfect sitting for the final battle, where they go into this final area and Jo sets it up as the sun was beginning to rise as Harry and Voldemort were doing whatever the heck they were doing all night.

Micah: Well, what do you guys think though...

Andrew: I think that would be so cool; it's like the final morning.

Jamie: The color of the sky is pretty much identical to the one on the UK behind the thing.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

US Cover: The Veil?

Jamie: And Ciaran came up with an interesting theory about this. I can't remember exactly what he referred to, but he said in a different series, that color type thing is used to represent limbo, so is this beyond the veil? What happens beyond the veil? Is there some type of limbo-type thing?

Micah: Well, the curtains are drawn.

Jamie: And is this some sort of Limbo type thing?

Micah: The curtains are drawn.

Eric: The curtains are drawn, but they are often. There's another cover in the U.S. where that's actually Harry's four-poster bed

Andrew: Are the curtains the four-poster bed on Sorcerer's Stone?

Eric: Yeah, I think so. Of the hard cover. If you look at the hard cover, there's...

Andrew: Are you sure about that?

Eric: I'm pretty sure about that.

Andrew: Why would they be the four-poster beds? There are curtains.

Eric: There are curtains.

Andrew: I don't think it's the four-poster bed, though.

Eric: Well, where you see Harry's hand holding the candle...

Micah: Well, I'm saying that's the veil. The veil is drawn back.

Andrew: What did you say, Micah?

Micah: I'm saying the veil is drawn back.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: That was my initial impression looking at it, because - and I'm trying to look for the quote here from Order of the Phoenix. I think what Laura said earlier is definitely accurate, at least in my opinion, that they are in that room in the Department of Mysteries.

Andrew: Yeah.

US Cover: Who is Watching?

Micah: ecause it was said to look exactly like this, and to look like a coliseum that had seating all around it, and it looks like somebody is watching them.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Not just somebody - a lot of people.

Eric: It's the shadows.

Laura: I would take that as seeing shadows of the people beyond the veil.

Eric: Right.

Micah: The Deathly Hallows.

Andrew: That's interesting!

Eric: Not just beyond the veil - beyond history, beyond time, beyond present day. The shadows of all the people of the past, all the people Voldemort killed, etcetera. All of Harry's family looking over him.

US Cover: Back to the Sky

Eric: But back to the sky, I, too, don't know what Ciaran was mentioning, but I do know that in...

Jamie: It was a very good point, I just can't remember what it was...

Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well the first Narnia book, there's a - The Magician's Nephew...

Jamie: Oh, it was Narnia.

Eric: Was it?

Jamie: Yeah. I don't know, now I can't remember.

Eric: Well, whether or not it was, in The Magician's Nephew, arguably the first - chronologically, anyway - Narnia book, the kids traveled or different kids traveled this kind of dead world which has been silent, not a single sound or anything, this destroyed city in tatters, and there's like a red sky and sort of stone pillars and stuff, so that might have been the allusion. But either way, that's so - even thought it's traditionally a warm color, it would be thought of as death. It could also mean something very hallow or something.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Just a guess.

Laura: Well, isn't it a red sky in the morning supposed to be symbolic of bad things?

Jamie: The shepherd's warning! The shepherd's warning! Yeah.

Eric: It could also be symbolic of a new dawn. A new dawn is approaching.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Is this room the room with the spinning doors, because you could...

Laura: No, I don't think so.

Jamie: I guessed it's that - there's doors.

Eric: No, it actually - for a fleeting moment, I thought it was a highway, a Muggle highway, potentially? Like an over bridge of a highway?

Jamie: Like a viaduct, you mean.

Eric: Yeah, a viaduct. Or a viaduct.

Jamie: A train viaduct.

Eric: A train viaduct. Or for – for cars.

Jamie: Andrew, do you think that thing in Durham? It looked like that.

Andrew: Sorry, I went away for a second.

Eric: The viaduct that the Hogwarts Express goes over. That's what crossed my mind.

US Cover: Harry's Hand Motions

Jamie: Oh, never mind. Yeah, exactly, a viaduct. Why don't we talk about the way his hand is, because it looks to me like he's trying to draw some sort of power from the sky, like love, and, you know...

Andrew: Well, they're both reaching for it, I think.

Micah: Yeah, whatever it is.

Andrew: It sort of seems like Voldemort is reaching in that same direction. Actually, someone on the MuggleNet comments on the news post about the book cover being released suggested that it sort of look like there's something there right above Harry's hand.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And when you get in close, something he or she described it as, like, "whooshy," and if you look close, there is something that looks different from the rest of the cloud patterns in the sky. Do you see that, Laura?

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: It looks like a dolphin on the left.

Andrew: A dolphin?

Laura: What?

Jamie: Yeah, that one on the left. That white pattern looks like a dolphin. Look, its flippers are...

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: You know, I'm...

Laura: It does!

Andrew: Oh, yeah, you're right, actually. Yeah, that's a little hidden message.

Jamie: It's like that - what's that dolphin movie called? Flipper? Is it Flipper?

Eric: No, it's not Flipper with Elijah Wood; that's a dolphin movie, but I think it looks like a whale like Free Willy.

Jamie: I said it's a dolphin movie.

Andrew: Oh, Free Willy. Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, Free Willy, that's it, yeah.

Andrew: You know, I'm looking at Harry's hair and it almost looks like he has some streaks of - a couple grey hairs in there.

Laura: Yeah, it does.

Andrew: [laughs] Doesn't he? Oh, that's funny.

Laura: Yeah. I mean, it could just be the effect of light, you know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Here's the question.

Andrew: All right. So, all right, let's stay on the hands. What do you think this means? Laura, did you have an idea?

Laura: It almost looked to me like...

Andrew: Well, not like "what it means," but...

Laura: Whenever I first saw it, my initial reaction was they were trying to catch something, like something physical...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: ...that was flying through the air. But then of course, you know...

Micah: The snitch.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah. They're playing Quidditch.

Micah: Whoever catches it wins. That's it. Game over.

Laura: Final showdown. [laughs] No, but I was kind of thinking maybe something completely dramatic happens, like a Horcrux flies through the air or something, like, you know, Ron throws the locket or whatever.

Eric: I think...

Laura: But the more I thought about it, the more it seemed like they were both doing wandless magic. Because they're not holding wands.

Andrew: Well, you know what?! Yeah! They're not holding wands!

Eric: I think they're both summoning something. Yeah. That's right.

Andrew: And – and I have all of the book covers open here. In Books Four, Five, and Six, Harry's holding a wand. One, Two and Three, he's not, but...

Eric: When he's in battle...

Andrew: When he's in battle, yeah.

Eric: This is actually Harry and Voldemort, presumably in battle...

Andrew: In battle...

Eric: ...feet away from each other, you know, - not even a meter maybe, and they don't have wands. So they both seem to be...

Micah: Could that be what they are going after?

Eric: Oh, that's true. Maybe one wand but – it's not like you don't need wands.

Micah: Now... Okay, it's crazy theory time. I'm going to throw something crazy out there.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: All right.

Micah: They almost look like they are working together.

Andrew: [whispers] No.

Eric: Never happen.

Andrew: See, they seem so close, though, that wouldn't surprise me.

Jamie: They do, yeah.

Eric: Actually if you want to get crazy theory time, I think they are both wearing brown robes, so they both converted to Jedi.

Andrew: They are both... [laughs]

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: They did.

Andrew: They are both wearing brown robes.

Jamie: Darth Voldemort

Eric: And Voldemort looks like - in, in - what's his name? Ian Hart, Ian Ho... I'll fix it.

Andrew: Harry's not scratched up at all, though, like when he was on the U.K. cover.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: What - which is kind of interesting.

Micah: Why I brought that up, though, was because of what Arthur Levine said. He said that "we're seeing Harry in a very interesting situation. Readers will find out exactly what the situation is."

Andrew: I love when he said that, because I was like, oh, really? We're going to find out this situation?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: I didn‘t think we were going to know.

Micah: But...

Eric: But that's interesting, yes.

Jamie: The sun is too bright and they are trying to shield their eyes. That's it, look.

Laura: Yeah

Jamie: Both of them are. Oh and Eric, to continue your Star Wars reference Voldemort looks a bit like General Grievous from Revenge of the Sith. The face.

Eric: Yeah, well, he is more man than machine, now, really.

Jamie: Yeah, well that's true.

Eric: More machine now than man.

Jamie: Machine than man, yeah.

Eric: I messed that up.

US Cover: Comparing Sorceror's Stone and Deathly Hallows

Andrew: You know I am looking at - I have the Sorcerer's Stone cover here. I have it all stretched out so I can compare the two, and it is kind of interesting. There is a couple of similarities here, one, Harry is reaching out for - I mean, on the Sorcerer's Stone cover, we can see that he is reaching out for the Snitch. But he is almost in the same exact position where he is looking up with his mouth open, his eyes shooting up and he is reaching out for - in the Sorcerer's Stone cover, the Snitch, but in this one, we can't see that. And also on the Sorcerer's Stone cover, it's, like, dusk; the sun is setting, because we can see the stars in the sky, but also there is some sunlight closer to the ground.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: In this one it is sort of like, dawn so it's the opposite. And also back to the curtains, the curtains are on the same - like, they are on the tail ends of the covers...

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: ...and they are all like - I mean, the covers - the curtains on this Book 7 cover are all, like, tattered...

Laura: Tattered

Andrew: ...and they are like – yeah, they are messed up at the bottom and the ones on the Sorcerer's Stone cover are all like, they have stars on them and the ropes are tied back. It's almost like they are the same curtains. Because we don't really know what these curtains are in the Sorcerer's Stone cover. So that was kind of interesting.

Laura: I always just kind of assumed they were almost kind of to look like a stage, in a way. Not like literally saying it was a performance but like...

Andrew: It was the opening?

Laura: ... presenting it as such. Like a story. Yeah, well, kind of something along the lines of - I mean, I guess you can draw it as the opening and closing type connection between them because do you really see these curtains on any of the other covers?

Andrew: No, I don't think so.

Eric: Yeah, they are. There are curtains on one of the hardback U.S. editions.

Laura: Yeah, but I'm asking if there are...

Andrew: Sorcerer's Stone.

Laura: ... on any of the other ones?

Eric: Yeah, okay.

Laura: Because I don't recall seeing them.

Andrew: Right, no it's not.

Laura: And it also seems like it's set as a production. Not literally saying that, but saying the story is opening, the story's closing.

Andrew: Yeah, so it's...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I like that.

Eric: That's cool.

Andrew: Go, Mary.

Eric: I like that.

Andrew: Go, Mary GrandPré and Laura for -

Eric: Laura, that's awesome.

Jamie: That is very impressive.

Eric: But, Andrew! What you said also...

Jamie: Have a cookie.

Eric: ...about it being dusk or rather – yeah, the end of the night, sunset, in Book 1, and sunrise in Book 7. I think it's – you know, Harry's world is getting darker and in the end, there is hope to see some light, you know, his light getting lighter whether or not is the light at the end of the tunnel, or not.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: But, I am really liking this curtain thing, because it is almost like the same cover, only behind it, it's seven years later. And the curtains are all worn out...

Laura: I know, it's so cool.

Andrew: ... because it's the closing of the book.

Jamie: That's really cool.

Andrew: I really like that. [Laughs] And you know that that's Mary GrandPré at her best. Which is - I would love to think that she's had that in mind this whole time, starting with the curtains how they are on the Sorcerer's Stone cover and then on Book 7 being all tattered like that.

Laura: You know, I mean...

Jamie: What about the...

Laura: Sorry, Jamie, go ahead.

Jamie: Sorry, go on. [Pauses] Thank you.

US Cover: Broken Veil?

Jamie: I was going to say [laughs] what about the pieces of wood at the...

Andrew: What about them?

Jamie: ... front? Yeah, they look broken to me as in man-broken, not supposed to be there. And...

Andrew: That one on the far right looks like a rock. Doesn't it?

Laura: Well, yeah, there's stone and stuff. It almost looks to me...

Eric: Yeah, it's a tree stump.

Laura: they are broken, they've broken the veil or something like they've broken the archway?

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: Oh.

Jamie: Or perhaps the hands are there to shield them from what's behind it. If we put ourselves in their positions what's where they are looking now?

Andrew: It's something in the sky.

Jamie: Window?

Andrew: [laughs] Maybe.

Eric: I was under the impression that...

Andrew: And to love I rhapsodize.

Eric: Wait, that's the other thing, though. The Department of Mysteries presumably isn't open air to the sky unless it's got a sky similar to the Great Hall. But the fact that there is a sky kind of maybe rules out that they are in the Department of Mysteries stadium? Unless...

Micah: Unless the Ministry of Magic was destroyed.

Laura: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It looks like they completely wrecked it.

Eric: That or the veil did something or they are in the land of limbo on the other side of the veil. And it might be a mirror image of what the actual colossus is.

Andrew: Wouldn't they be on the other side of the veil as they stand right now because of all the people around them?

Laura: Yeah, it almost looks like they are on the other side.

Micah: Well...

Andrew: Yeah, because you can see the people.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: You wouldn't be able to see the people if you were - you know?

Jamie: But, if you have noticed that the shadows get a lot, lot lighter as you go around...

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: ... to the right. They start off pretty dark and then they get very, very, very sort of not dense if you go around to the other side.

Laura: What if you've gone through the veil and the reason you can't come back through the veil is because it's broken on the other side? Like, it's set...

Jamie: The vanishing cabinet.

Laura: ... so, like, you can't come back, like you can't come back through?

Eric: I would...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So you are saying that they're stuck?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: ...say, Laura, that they need to repair the Stargate and get it up and running...

[Laura, Micah and Jamie laugh]

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Kurt Russell and them can get back to they other – I've seen that movie.

Jamie: Guys, we're at 46 minutes.

Eric: Yeah, what do you guys think...

Andrew: That's it? [laughs] I feel like we've been going a whole lot longer.

Jamie: That's loads.

Eric: No, it's true, it's...

Andrew: Let's keep going.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean.. Is there anything else any one wants to talk about with this cover? I mean...

US Cover: R.A.B.'s Locket?

Laura: What is that...?

Jamie: I think we've covered this very well to be honest.

Laura: ...thing around his neck?

Andrew: That's got to be the locket. Doesn't it? Doesn't it look - it's the same...

Laura: It doesn't

Andrew: ...shape as the one...

Eric: Oh...

Andrew: ...on the adult cover.

Eric: Oh jeezum! Harry in the US edition is wearing something...

Jamie: Maybe that's what...

Laura: It almost looks like a pouch though.

Jamie: ...protects you when you go through the thing.

Eric: It looks like a pouch. It doesn't look like the Slytherin locket.

Jamie: Yeah, it has his pocket money,

[Andrew and Jamie laughs]

Laura: Well, I almost thinking - I mean...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: It's his iPod shuffle.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: We know how damaged...

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: He's listening to My Chemical Romance.

Eric: What would it be? Welcome to the Black Parade?

Andrew: You know – yeah, Laura, you're right it does look like a pouch because there's the oval shape...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: ...and then there's something right above it.

Laura: Where it looks like there's a drawstring...

Andrew: Is that what you're talking about?

Laura: ...type area to pull it closed.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Yeah, in two seconds.

Micah: It looks like a Time-Turner.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: It's Harry's - no.

Laura: My immediate...

Micah: Well, from the movie anyway.

Eric: No, the Time-Turners...

Andrew: They are more circular, though. I think they would be more circular, wouldn't they?

Eric: Or more hourglass-y, I think it's a pouch though.

Laura: My immediate reaction to it that we knew how damaged Dumbledore's hand got from the ring and whatever process he went through to destroy it, so what if Harry has the locket and he's keeping it in the pouch? So it doesn't come into direct contact with his body.

Andrew: Hmmm.

Micah: Interesting.

Eric: Maybe, in addition...

Andrew: To keep it clean...

Micah: What if he could...

Laura: To keep it clean? [laughs]

Andrew: Maybe it has to do - [laughs] to keep it clean. Maybe it has something to do with Voldemort not seeing it. I mean, obviously he was not hiding it, with it just sitting there around his neck, but...

Laura: That's interesting.

Eric: I think it - a lot of times lockets themselves, and things, are supposed to protect against something. So, I'm not saying he has Slytherin's locket, it doesn't seem it'd be - but I think he has something in the pouch that might give him some protection in battle, or it's just his bus fare to arrive at this field...

Laura: It's Ginny's heart.

Eric: ...somewhere.

Laura: She cut it out and put it in a bag.

Eric: Oh!

Micah: Oh, Laura. Geez.

Eric: It is, Laura. It is.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: That's pretty violent, actually.

Micah: I have one more theory.

Eric: Ummm...

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