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Andrew: This week's MuggleCast is also brought to you by Borders. Prepare for the upcoming release of Book 7 by catching a glimpse of where it all began. During the month of April, you can purchase Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone on DVD for only $14.99 at Borders. Also be sure to reserve Book 7 at Borders at 40 percent off and get a free sticker. Choose from "Trust Snape" or "Snape is a very bad man."
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Andrew: Because some people quit listening to our show because of what we said about what happens in Book 7, this is MuggleCast Episode 85 for April 8, 2007.
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Andrew: Got a few e-mails here this week I thought we could read to kick off the show. First one comes from Donna, 36, of Missouri. She writes:
I cannot believe you have ruined MuggleCast for me. I will no longer be able to listen until after the seventh book comes out. You were making the wait until then bearable because I had you guys every week giving me something to think about before the next book comes out. Now that you guys have read it, I will be afraid to listen just in case you let slip with a big spoiler and ruin the book for me. I guess I will have to start listening to the "other" Harry Potter podcast even though I never enjoyed it as much. I wish you the best. Loved your podcast.
Donna wasn't too happy, guys, about our little review of the book.
Laura: And you know what I found funny about it is that so many people thought it was an April Fools joke...
Andrew: Yeah, that's what gets me.
Laura: ...and I guess now would be a really bad time for us to tell Donna that it wasn't.
Andrew: Yeah. I mean that's what gets me, Laura. That's what gets me. Another e-mail from Stella Rooney, 8-years-old from Glasgow, UK. She writes - her subject is April Foul:
Dear MuggleCasters, what a nice little joke about the manuscript. Not! How could you do something like that? I'm sure I'm not speaking for myself when I say that there are people out there that took that seriously and didn't think about it when it was released. It really was an April Foul. I'm lucky that my mum pointed out to me that if it was for real, it would be all over the newspapers. You didn't think about that, did you?
Again, not sure why it didn't make it to the press, but it was real.
Andrew: Everyone got it, right? Everyone can say that they got the book, right?
Mikey: Yeah I just got mine the other day.
Mikey: So I just finished reading it.
Andrew: Oh Mikey how did you enjoy it, by the way?
Mikey: Oh it's wonderful.
Mikey: Yeah I was a little surprised. I was left out but I got it finally, so I'm happy.
Andrew: Yeah, well, sorry about that. I mean, this US mail. You try to do like the confirmation sending, where they swear it's going to be there by a certain day and then, you know, it doesn't show up.
Mikey: It's alright.
Micah: Well I mean there's no guarantee that the post person wouldn't want to read it themselves. I mean, come on.
Andrew: That's true, that's true. I forgot to wrap it up so they didn't know what it was inside. Anyway, welcome everybody to the show, and we got some more cover coverage to talk about this week. But before we do anything else, I'm Andrew Sims.
Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.
Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.
Micah: I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
Mikey: And I'm Mikey Bouchereau.
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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in the MuggleCast news center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Micah?
Micah: Thanks, Andrew.
The US Potter publisher, Scholastic, has introduced unbending rules for libraries handling Deathly Hallows this summer. According to the contract which Scholastic is having the libraries sign, the number of employees handling the novel must be limited. Oh, time to put in my application to work in the library.
Furthermore, those libraries that breach the contract could be blacklisted from future book releases. Well guys, I mean, this is your last shot. This is the last Harry Potter book, so who cares about any releases after this? The contract states that "We acknowledge and agree that any such violation will cause irreparable harm to Scholastic and the author, J.K. Rowling, and that monetary damages will be inadequate to compensate for violations."
Last Saturday, the Harry Potter series won in the category of "Favorite Book" at the 20th Anniversary of the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards. Always a favorite at this slime-filled ceremony, Harry has also won in the category of "Favorite Movie" in past years. The series beat out How to Eat Fried Worms, Island of the Blue Dolphins and Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events.
Bloomsbury has updated their "21 Great Reads for the 21st Century" with news that over the next year, "two or three authors will be featured each month, giving details of their careers, forthcoming books and events and suggestions of similar Bloomsbury authors you might be interested in." We're unsure as to whether JK Rowling will be featured but we will keep you updated.
Dan Radcliffe, the Harry Potter actor, previously recorded a video to raise awareness and funds for children in extreme poverty in America and Africa. This video, along with those of Helena Bonham Carter, who plays Bellatrix Lestrange, and a number of other celebrities, will be broadcast on "American Idol Gives Back," April 25th.
Finally, a new report states that Harry Potter is the most searched fan fiction on Yahoo!.
That's all the news for this April 8th, 2007, edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.
Andrew: Okay, thank you Micah.
Micah: Yo, yo.
Andrew: Is that your new thing now?
Mikey: What's up Micah?
Andrew: Yeah what's up, yo?
Mikey: Yo what's up, G?
Andrew: You want to do your own rap, Micah, for the show?
Micah: Yeah. Yeah, why not? The news rap.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, there you go. We have a...
Micah: Don't sound so excited about that. Really.
Andrew: Well, you know. We have a couple of announcements this week. Of course, a big one for the show: we have changed our cover art and we have a brand new website over at MuggleCast.com. Does everyone like it?
Kevin: I think it's awesome, yeah.
Mikey: It's awesome, yeah. I like it.
Micah: I like it.
Laura: I love it.
Andrew: Yeah I'm really happy with how it turned out. Basically, I want to talk about a few things here, but the website was made by Greg Porter. He's been on the show a couple of times, of XalerStudios.com. He does fantastic website designs, so head over to his website today and you can use the code 'MCMUGGLE' to get a special discount on your design created by Greg. We highly recommend him. He made that website in a day, guys, and coded it for us. He did a fantastic job.
Andrew: Yeah, and of course we have the new album art, if you haven't checked the Myspace, or the Facebook, or anywhere else lately. But the reason we did this change - and I don't want to get sentimental - but the reason we did this change is because, really, it's a new era of MuggleCast where all we are talking about now is the seventh and final Harry Potter book and that's what we're focused on now, so it only makes sense to change over our visual. Our one and only visual for the show, which is the cover art and the website. S,o I guess that's two, but I know what most of you are asking right now. [mimicking]'Why do you guys do this just like the other Harry Potter podcast?! You guys ripped them off!' Two things about that: one, last time I checked...
Micah: [Makes buzzer sound] Wrong.
[Andrew and Laura laugh]
Andrew: Last time I checked...
Mikey: We have a black iPod.
Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]
Mikey: We got the black iPod! I like that, we got a black one!
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. My favorite part of this new album art is that we still have the MuggleCast album art, the old one- the Half-Blood Prince one-inside the iPod. But anyway, first of all, we've said publicly on this show multiple times that we were going to be probably switching over to the new cover as our album art, once it came out. Second of all, we can't hear any complaints about people saying, 'Oh, you guys copied the other Harry Potter podcast.' When in fact we were doing the whole book-cover-as-the-album-art thing with an iPod on it for, what, a-year-and-a-half now? So whatever. But we hope everyone does enjoy it a lot and we know we do. So that's that.
Also, bad news about the suitcase video, I'm not going to make a big deal about this. Long story short, I can't bring it into school. There's all this nonsense going on about filming in school. That doesn't involve MuggleCast itself, but doing it in school. So, I do apologize for that. The winners are going to be getting the pieces of the suitcase. Maybe I'll take some pictures of the destroyed suitcase. It is still sitting here in my room and the dead body in there is still rotting, so I do want to get rid of it as soon as possible.
Also, don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. We thank everyone for their vote, and don't forget me, Micah...
Andrew: Ben and Jamie will be at Enlightening 2007 in Philadelphia, PA, at the University of Penn., from July 12th to the 15th. We're going to be going to the movie premiere, hosting a podcast and we are also going to be doing a seminar on how to make your own podcast. We're going to teach you all the ropes. We have an update on the live podcast. It's going to be in the Irvine... Irvin, or Irvine Auditorium. Over 800 seats, a beauuuuuuutiful theater to host the podcast in, so we are really looking forward to that and more details could be found on Enlightening2007.org.
Andrew: So, we are going to get right into our main discussion this week. Guys? I want to start off with Kevin and Mikey's thoughts. Kevin, do you want to go first? Your general thoughts about the cover? So we can kick off our session...
Kevin: Well, I've heard a lot of people don't like it because it seemed too colorful but I like it. I think it's a little...
Andrew: You're talking about the UK cover, children's edition?
Kevin: Yeah. I like it. I think it's unique.
Andrew: What was your initial thought about the US cover?
Kevin: Well I was very interested to see the little silhouettes in the background. That along with Harry and Voldemort grasping out towards something. I think I said it to - or Micah brought it up to me- it looks almost like they are trying to cast wandless magic, which I think is pretty cool.
Andrew: Yeah. We brought it up on the show that on, I think it was at least four of the covers, Harry is holding his wand, along with at least one, or two other people. And in this case neither Harry nor Voldemort are holding their wands...
Kevin: Yeah. Not too mention it's the first time we actually saw Voldemort illustrated.
Andrew: Yeah, that's true. I really think it only makes sense that he only shows up on the final cover...
Kevin: The final cover, yeah.
Andrew: Because it's sort of like - granted, though it's not on the front cover- he's on the back cover. Nonetheless, though, it's still very cool. How about the UK adult edition with R.A.B.'s locket?
Kevin: I think that's really interesting because it showed up in - or at least we think it's in the children's edition in the US version around Harry's neck...
Kevin: I'm very surprised they're giving so much focus to it.
Andrew: Yeah. Well, I mean we were talking about the fact that last time it was it was Snape's diary right there on the cover and now it's the locket. So, it's like, is that going to play a semi-important role? Or is it going to be a huge role or what...
Kevin: Well, what I was thinking was maybe perhaps it's the last Horcrux to be found and that's why they're giving so much, you know, attention to it.
Andrew: Well, are we all in agreement that the locket is a very crucial Horcrux for one reason or another?
Kevin: Yeah, absolutely...
Laura: Yeah, definitely.
Mikey: Yeah, definitely. It has to be...
Laura: It wouldn't be featured on the cover if it wasn't.
Kevin: And I think it is because of the fact that it's now potentially hidden beyond where it was hidden originally. So, it's not like the other Horcruxes which could be found in their original spots. This has, you know, been moved.
Mikey: Well, I also think that it has so much more meaning because it's been alluded to so many times...
Kevin: Yeah, that's true...
Mikey: We think we see it in Order of the Phoenix. We saw it, or we thought we could have seen it in Half-Blood Prince, and now it's - like you said, it could be moved, we might find out more about R.A.B. - we will - but it's all these different things surrounding that locket. So...
Micah: But now I mean, are we under the impression that it's not destroyed? Because...
Andrew: No, it can't be...
Micah: ...based on the note I thought R.A.B. destroyed it, or did he just take it?
Kevin: I think everyone...
Mikey: Or we hoped he destroyed it.
Kevin: Right. And I think everyone thinks that it's the locket that it showed in Grimmauld Place. So...
Andrew: Right. So Mikey, what are your general thoughts on the covers. Are you happy with them?
Mikey: Yeah, I like the US edition. The children's UK edition kind of freaks me out a little. It looks weird. It's got a lot of information on there, but I'm not too found of the artwork. It just kind of - maybe too much is going on, I guess? I don't know...
Andrew: Yeah. I've never been found of any of the UK covers.
Andrew: This one, honestly, I would have to say that this one is my favorite just because of how much detail is in it. I kind of like how colorful it is. I love Hogwarts on the back. If that is Hogwarts, which...
Mikey: I know. It's a different color. It's got some really cool stuff. What's with Prongs on the right-hand side and the snake globe on the left?
Andrew: I don't - I... [laughs]
Mikey: You know, it just brings up too many questions. And I like simple things, you know, art. Simplistic. I like the US cover. I like the adult cover. It's nice. Very simple, again. It's the locket. But I like it, you know?
Mikey: I had some inside information when it was coming out. So, I woke up to see it right when it was released.
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Andrew: Mikey, you're just...
Mikey: I was up at four in the morning. [laughs]
Andrew: You're just on top of the ball, man.
Mikey: Yeah, what can I say?
Andrew: I wonder - do you know anything about what that little - I don't even know what to call it. The triangle with the circle inside of it and the line going through the triangle on the UK children's cover spine. It's Legend of Zelda-ish. And me and Micah were talking about this earlier this week.
Micah: [laughs] Yeah.
Kevin: Oh, I know what you're talking about.
Micah: The Triforce of Wisdom.
Andrew: It's like a Triforce thing.
Mikey: It's like a Triforce - it's like the Eye of the Illuminati. You know, where the triangle is above it all and the eye inside of it.
Mikey: But I don't know what it is.
Andrew: I think that has to be - that has nothing to do with Bloomsbury. I don't think.
Mikey: I don't.
Micah: No. No. Because I think somebody else brought up a couple of shows ago or something like that. That usually whatever's in that area, and it may have been you, Andrew, is critical to the book. Is critical to that particular book of the series. Whatever little object shows up there.
Mikey: Oh, you know what? I just Google-searched it and I found it. It's the equilateral triangle. And that's what it means. It's because it's a perfect circle inside a perfect triangle.
Andrew: Oh. And...
Mikey: That's what it, you know...
Mikey: Harmonic ratios of the regular polygons. That's what I found.
Mikey: I Google-searched, "circle triangle," and that's what popped up.
Andrew: Are there going to be parallel universes in the seventh novel?
Mikey: Actually I just found a religious site relating to this triangle. So give me a second, if I can find it.
Laura: Maybe it means they're doing geometry in this book.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.
Mikey: Who knows.
Andrew: Seventh year students need to take geometry classes.
Micah: Well, a couple listeners wrote in with creative ideas that perhaps it's an ancient rune.
Andrew: Oh, it could relate to runes. Hm.
Micah: We know Hermione likes that subject a lot.
Micah: Maybe it comes into play. I think somebody even went as far to go to J.K. Rowling's website and into that Ancient Runes book that she has.
Micah: And to see if it had any relevance. But, of course, there was nothing there.
Mikey: Oh, you know what? Actually, hold on, I found a religious site. It says, "Circle and triangle combines the symbol for eternity with the symbol for trinity."
Andrew: What? Eternity?
Mikey: Symbol for eternity with the symbol for trinity. I don't know if that means, you know, religious trinity or - eternity is circle, you know, that's cool.
Andrew: Well, you're looking on a religious site, right? So.
Mikey: No, no. It's some Greek - hold on, let me see what the name is. Christian Symbols Glossary Forums, Feeds, Religions Forums. So yeah, it is a religious forum.
Micah: Is that by Laura Mallory?
Mikey: I don't know. But here's the link, so you guys can take a look yourself. I got it off Google.
Andrew: Well, I'm looking at a definition of "trinity," and it can also mean, "three people considered as a unit."
Andrew: The trio.
Mikey: Harry, Ron, Hermione.
Andrew: There you go. And the trio happened to be...
Mikey: Eternity. Eternity. Eternity. Those three will be forever together.
Laura: In life or death.
Mikey: They will destroy Voldemort!
Andrew: I don't want to... [laughs]
Mikey: They will destroy Voldemort! They will win! Yeah!
[Andrew and Kevin laugh]
Andrew: Oh, Mikey.
Laura: What's interested about that there, Mikey, is usually when people refer to eternity that means death.
Mikey: But they will...
Mikey: Quiet down! I don't want them to die, okay?
Mikey: You're going to make me cry here. I don't want to cry. No, I won't cry. Not on recording. No. I don't know.
Andrew: So we have the trinity, the trio, in eternity.
Micah: This is groundbreaking stuff right here.
Kevin: This is on the spot.
Andrew: This is just thinking live on the show.
Andrew: This is called, "We didn't prep beforehand, so let's do it on the show." [laughs]
Mikey: I'm showing my Google searches skills right now.
Mikey: As I'm bringing this up.
Andrew: I don't know. Well, that's very interesting. If anyone has any thoughts, e-mail them in to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. I'm sure we've got some people out there who could come up with some interesting theories for that. But I mean, you know, the trio's on the cover too.
Kevin: Well, we definitely want to see what the other covers have in that location, as well.
Andrew: Well, we can...
Kevin: Because we could link it, somewhere.
Laura: Where exactly - hang on, I've got my UK editions. Where exactly is it?
Mikey: It's at the very top.
Kevin: It's at the spine at the top.
Laura: There's nothing on...
Kevin: On any of them?
Laura: There is nothing like that. Like, they have little pictures on the top that continue from the back cover. But there's no symbol or anything like that.
Laura: Like on the Goblet of Fire one...
Mikey: Laura, are you going to make me look online?
Laura: It's just like a little owl at the top of it.
Andrew: Oh, you know what? Yeah, I think I remember seeing that owl on the books before. But...
Mikey: I don't know, maybe I have.
Andrew: Yeah, there's so much more information on those UK books. You got Prongs. And you got that, like, prophecy thing with the snake in it. And then the back cover's pretty - I love the back cover.
Mikey: I love Hogwarts.
Kevin: Yeah, definitely. Especially the full moon.
Andrew: It's definitely moon-lit.
Mikey: Hey, what's the Bloomsbury logo? Is it a dog?
Laura: It's a dog.
Andrew: It's a dog.
Mikey: Or is it something else?
Kevin: No, it's a triangle with a circle in the middle.
Mikey: I love how it's a black dog.
[Kevin and Laura laugh]
Mikey: Well no, because you know what? That black dog reminds me of Sirius. I'm just saying. [laughs]
Andrew: Oh, yeah. [laughs]
Mikey: [laughs] I'm sorry. I'm screeching at limbs here.
Mikey: But, I'm trying to make myself sound a little bit better, but yeah. Alright.
Laura: You know what's interesting? You know how last week we were kind of debating about whether the castle on the back of the Deathly Hallows UK Edition is Hogwarts? And I'm looking at the Goblet of Fire edition, and it has an inside view of, like one of the staircases and one of the archways. And it doesn't match. At least in my opinion. Like, the inside of the castle does not match the outside of the castle that we're seeing on the back of the new cover.
Andrew: Does it say the cover illustrator on the inside flap?
Laura: I'm sure it does.
Andrew: Because on this one, it says Jason Cockcroft.
Laura: This one has a bunch of blurbs on it.
Andrew: Because it's been a different illustrator for each, you know. I mean, that's interesting, what you bring up, but...
Laura: It's a different illustrator?
Andrew: For each book, yeah.
Laura: Are you serious? That's stupid.
Andrew: That's what Jamie said, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. So, that's interesting.
Mikey: But in the US we all got the same illustrator, so it's cool.
Laura: Yeah, this guy was Gils Greenfield.
Laura: So, I mean, it could just be lack of continuity.
Laura: But, it's so weird. You would think that they would want to, kind of, have them all make sense, but.
Andrew: Yeah. Did we talk about this last week? On the front cover of the UK edition, Harry Potter; it's white on black. Black sort of representing the end, death. I mean, it's nothing really big, but...
Laura: I don't think so.
Andrew: It's just kind of interesting. Just a little side note there.
Mikey: It's not that...
Andrew: Let's move on to some emails. We've been getting lots of emails this week, of course, with everyone sending their theories. We love reading them all. We have a couple here. We are going to start off with one from Matt, he's 18, of Western Australia. Perth, Western Australia. He writes:
"I just wanted to note to you guys that, although it would be the more likely the situation for Dobby to be on Harry's back, I believe it's Kreacher. Why? Because Jo made sure Kreacher was kept in the Order of the Phoenix film, whereas Dobby is long gone. You would expect that the house elf on Harry's back is, at that moment, playing an important role in the book, and as such couldn't possibly be Dobby as I take Jo's insistence to mean that Dobby has no further part to play. Just a theory, I have millions more, but this will do for now. Adios, Matt."
I like that. That is an interesting point. I mean, Dobby is gone now. He's not going to be in the fifth film, and if she pushed for Kreacher to be in the film, and I know we've heard that there has been argument - that there was actually an argument over whether - not an argument, but there was a discussion to decide whether or not Kreacher would be kept in or not. I think that just says right there that he plays an important role that we haven't seen yet.
Laura: I mean, I think it's plausible, but I think we also need to remember that he played a pretty important role in the fifth book. I mean, he's essentially the reason that everyone went to the Department of Mysteries.
Andrew: Well, that is true.
Andrew: That's actually - that's a good point.
Laura: And how do you explain that? I mean...
Kevin: Well, I think...
Laura: What lame justification could...
Kevin: She - what she...
Laura: ...they use, really?
Andrew: Well, trust me. They could come up with...
[Andrew, Laura, and Mikey laugh]
Laura: Well, I mean, I'm saying it would be really bad.
Micah: Well, I was listening to what you guys were saying on Episode 80 because I was working on the transcript for it earlier. I think that...
Andrew: Mugglenet.com/tran... Actually, not at all. Never mind, go ahead.
Micah: [laughs] No, they can explain away a lot of things if they really, really wanted to. And - but in this case I agree with what Laura is saying. I think that Kreacher in particular was much more important to Book 5. So, his inclusion in the movie is probably a little bit more important than Dobby.
Kevin: Well, don't you think that she's just giving them pointers for vital points in the plot that they will have to include in the movie? And not necessarily what's going to happen in the book? Because Dobby can play a part in, like, Book 5, but they can explain away that particular part that he played. Whereas maybe Kreacher plays such a large part they won't be able to just simply explain it away. Because these are large books and they have to cut a lot of...
Kevin: ...you know, stuff from it. And maybe her saying that is just...
Kevin: ...her saying that Kreacher is going to play a role that you can't cut out from the movie. Not saying that Dobby doesn't play a role in the book, it is just that... Micah; Yeah, but I think that at the same time...
Kevin: ....Dobby's part in the book could be, you know, swept to the side whereas Kreacher's couldn't.
Micah: Yeah. No, I agree with that.
Laura: Well, we actually do have a voicemail about what else that thing on Harry's back could be. So, I mean, we'll get to that in a few minutes, but.
Micah: Oh, so, basically what you're saying is...
Kevin: I think we know where it's going.
Micah: Okay, I won't say anything.
Kevin: How about a goblin?
Laura: I don't want to spoil it or anything.
Kevin: We already - oh okay. Yeah.
Laura: Yeah. [laughs] That would be it. But yeah.
Kevin: Yes. [laughs]
Micah: [laughs] We mention that on a future episode.
Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Alright, we have another email now. Natalie, 14, of Utah. She writes:
"Hi, MuggleCasters! I was just wondering what you think the format of Deathly Hallows will be in comparison to the other books. In this final book, Jo has things to tie up, not more plot lines to formulate. Do you think that this book will differ from her trademark writing style? Just wanted to hear your comments. Thanks, and love the show."
I don't know what the - it's going to be following the same format, I think. He's going to start off in the Burrow, we know that much. And...
Mikey: The Burrow? I thought he was going to start of at Number 4, Privet Drive.
Andrew: Well, where does - why did I think that?
Kevin: Yeah, he's going to. Yeah.
Laura: Well, he will go to the Burrow.
Micah: Because the cover is sort of...
Laura: He will...
Mikey: He will go to the Burrow, but...
Andrew: Oh, sorry. Alright, yeah.
Mikey: [laughs] Just correcting you now, Andrew. Just so you know.
Andrew: I thought the cover said Harry is waiting in the Burrow. Nevermind. This says Privet Drive.
Andrew: Carry on.
Laura: I think that Deathly Hallows will definitely stay consistent with the same kind of theme that Books 4 through 6 had. Because if you look at the series, Books 1 through 3 kind of tend to be focused more on the future and learning things about what will happen. But as you got into the Goblet of Fire and moved onward, we saw a lot more memories and diving into pensieves, and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So, I think we are definitely going to learn a lot more about the past in this book as well.
Kevin: Yeah, and 1 through 3 were really used for a lot of character development.
Laura: Yeah, it was a lot of setup.
Kevin: Yeah. After Book 3 it became - you know, there was character development, but not nearly to the extent that we saw in the first books. So, I agree, I think it's going to be just like Books 4 through 6.
Mikey: Well, as I reread her email, it says "no more plotlines will be formulated." I think it is more of the fact there is still going to be new plotlines that we don't know about, you know. We are going on an adventure...
Mikey: ...that we don't know anything about. So, it's not that she is going to just be giving us answers to stuff that we've been questioning, but, you know, we still are going to be finding new stuff out. So, I definitely think it's going to be the same to what we've read. Definitely the last few books. Same there.
Andrew: The ending of course is going to probably like nothing we've ever seen before. And of course the epilogue. So...
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