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Andrew: Because Jamie still continues to be a waste of space for one more week, this is MuggleCast Episode 86 for April 11, 2007.

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Jamie: Hello, and welcome to MuggleCast Episode 86. This is our live call-in show. It's the second of our special shows because I am a waste of space, and I missed the train, as you all well know. And before we get to our live call-ins today, I'm joined today by Andrew and Micah. Say hello, guys.

Andrew: Hi.

Micah: Yo.

Jamie: And Kevin - Kevin is supposed to be here but he'll be joining us soon.


Jamie: Before we start our live calls, we have a few announcements to make. Podcast Alley - please vote for us. You all know the drill by now. Blah, blah, blah, I can't do this as well as Andrew, but yeah, you should know by now. And Andrew has an announcement as well.

Andrew: Jamie, I just wanted to say that you did excellent on the show.

Jamie: Oh, really? I think that's very kind of you to say so.

Andrew: When you hosted without me. It was fantastic. Also, I just wanted to point out, as we announced on Episode 85 this past Sunday, we have a brand new website along with our brand new album art. We've been getting a lot of good feedback about it and we just want to thank Greg Porter over at If you want a great website design, definitely head over to his site because as you can see from he can do some really fantastic websites. Alright, I think we're ready to start the calls. Jamie?

Call: U.S. Cover Harry Beckoning Something?

Jamie: Okay then. Let's go to our first call.

[Sound of phone ringing] Richard: Hello?

Jamie: Hey. Richard: Yeah. Hey, listen, I just have a theory about the cover art.

Andrew: Wait, first of all, say what's your name and where you're from.

Jamie: And where you come from. And also, one question before you start. Do you watch "Prison Break"? Richard: No. [laughs]

Andrew: Aww. [laughs]

Jamie: Oh. Well, you should. [laughs] Okay, then go ahead. Richard: I'm Richard and I'm from New York, New York. And I just have a theory about the Death Hallows American cover. And my theory is, instead of Harry being happy about the thing that's coming down from the heavens, he's actually beckoning toward it because he wants it to destroy himself and the Horcrux, therefore effectively destroying himself, Voldemort, and the Horcrux so that way he can kill him.

Jamie: What do you think it could be, this thing? Richard: I'm not sure, but it's just a theory so I'm still working the kinks out of it.

Andrew: [laughs] What are some of the kinks? Are there any? I think that's a pretty good idea.

Jamie: Well, it's interesting because everyone so far has been thinking that he's looking towards the sky for something to bring down, but go ahead. Richard: Yeah. It also sort of explains the orange sky like it could be something reminiscent of doomsday.

Andrew: Hm.

Jamie: Very interesting.

Andrew: That's not a bad idea.

Jamie: Thank you very much.

Andrew: I don't know though. Hold on. Wait a second before we wrap that up. I don't know if Harry would sacrifice himself though.

Jamie: Oh, well, that's not that...

Andrew: I think if Harry's going to die it's going to be by accident. Richard: Well, you're you.

Andrew: Well, I am me. [laughs]

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: That's a whole other story, though.

Micah: Yeah, it really, really is.

Jamie: He's going to sacrifice himself.

Micah: No, but Andrew, you and I were talking about this earlier in the week, and somebody else had proposed a theory that was similar to what he's saying. And that is, Voldemort seems to be backing away from what's going on, whereas Harry is sort of more so beckoning it. So is this possible that this is the final confrontation in the book and both of them going to die, it's just Harry is more accepting of it?

Andrew: Yeah. Richard: Also, just a quick note, there seems to be wooden planks on the ground, so it could be that wood is falling from the sky. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Well, I mentioned this in a previous show. They look very broken up, sort of like Harry's destroyed something, or perhaps the thing in the sky is a result of it being destroyed. Richard: Well, maybe Voldemort destroyed it.

Jamie: Yeah, or perhaps Voldemort did. I don't know. Interesting theory though.

Andrew: Whatever's going on, it's very messy.

[Richard laughs]

Jamie: It is very messy. Okay, thank you very much for your call. Richard: Thank you.

Andrew: Thank you, Richard.

Jamie: Bye, bye.

Micah: Thanks.

Call: Final Battle At The Coliseum

[Sound of phone ringing]

Jamie: Hello, caller, you need to state your name, where you come from and your theory, please.

Peter: Hi, this is Peter Pickles and I'm from Saint Louis.

Andrew: Peter Pi - is that your real name? Peter Pickles?

Jamie: Yeah, I was going to say, is that your real name?

Peter: No, it's just my name online.

Andrew: Is your - is Peter real?

Peter: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, okay. [laughs]

Jamie: Interesting choice of name. What's your theory?

Peter: To me, it looks like they're in the Coliseum in the background.

Andrew: Coliseum.

Jamie: What? Like the Roman Coliseum?

Peter: Yes. Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, so Jo's sort of introducing history and Rome into her books?

Peter: Yes.

Jamie: That's pretty interesting, I like that. What, they're sort of in the Ministry of Magic and they apparate to the Coliseum and have the final battle there?

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: I'd like that. I'd like that.

Peter: It's certainly possible.

Jamie: It is definitely possible, and it would make a very interesting ending. Andrew?

Andrew: Wait. Do you think Jo would really put a real world landmark into the books?

Jamie: I don't know. Well, wouldn't it show that both worlds are completely intertwined and you can't have something affecting one thing if it doesn't affect the other. And you could have a huge crowd there as well, and right at the end, the emperor could do like a thumbs up or a thumbs down on whether Voldemort should live or die.

[Andrew and Peter laugh]

Jamie: So, I love that theory. Thank you very much.

Andrew: Do you really?

Micah: Do you get lions? Do the lions come into play at all?

Jamie: Yes, exactly. The lions could be there, and they tie Voldemort to a stake, and he'd come in and they'd tell his crimes against Rome and how he'd insulted the emperor's wife and mother and then the lions would be set loose and he'd be gone.

Peter: Or maybe the lions retrieved the Horcrux.

Jamie: Or perhaps they did, and then they ate it.

Andrew: [laughs] And afterwards, Harry's just like "I guess might as well go say ‘Hi,’ to the Pope, since I'm here."

Jamie: Yeah. Well, exactly. Yeah. Alright, thank you very much, Peter. Bye, bye.

Peter: Bye.

Andrew: Thanks, Peter.

Call: The Hanging Man

[Sound of phone ringing]

Jamie: Hi, can you state your name, where you’re from and your theory please?

Kyle: My name is Kyle, from Gibbsboro, New Jersey.

Andrew: New Jersey? Aw, man.

Jamie: Close to you, Andrew? I wonder why you picked this one.

Andrew: Yeah. Exactly.

Jamie: Can I just ask, before you state your theory, can I ask you a very important question? Do you watch "Prison Break"?

Kyle: Uh, no.

Jamie: Okay well, you should.

Kyle: Okay.

Jamie: That's all I'll say on this.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Go on. What's your theory, please?

Kyle: Well, what I want to say really quick is great show. Andrew, I live like 15 minutes away from you.

Andrew: Not going to lie, I'm a little freaked out by that.

[Kyle laughs]

Andrew: Just kidding. [laughs]

[Jamie laughs]

Kyle: And...

Jamie: Wait, is that your theory? That you live 15 minutes away from Andrew, or is that true?

Kyle: No, that's true. Here's my theory: I was re-reading Harry Potter 4, Goblet of Fire, the other day, and on page two - I think it is - they're in the bar and talking about the caretaker of the Riddles’ house and that he murdered them. And the bar’s name is called the "Hanging Man."

Jamie: It is, it is.

Kyle: And Deathly Hallows is supposed to be about the hang man or something like that.

Jamie: It is. This is very interesting idea. People have talked about that, I think, and how it sort of like - that relates to the title, as you say. And whether we are going to see anything else happen in that pub, or if it's going to be a central location in Book 7, but I don't know. Micah?

Micah: Yeah, I think all the shows that we did, that's a great reference. We tried to catch as many as we possibly could throughout the series referencing the Hang Man. So I think it's a good catch, and people are probably going to find more and more things as they re-read the books.

Jamie: Kyle, do you think there is going to be action in the Hang Man in Book 7?

Kyle: I don't know, I hope so. I think Harry is going to have to go back probably to the Riddles’ house because I think that maybe there's a Horcrux there because he murdered his parents that day. So, possibly.

Andrew: Good point.

"The Office" And U2

Jamie: That's pretty interesting, but going back to the "Prison Break" thing, sorry. What TV series do you watch?

[Andrew laughs]

Kyle: My favorite is "Office" and "Heroes."

Andrew: Oh, I'm an "Office" fan, too.

Jamie: Do you watch the American "Office," though, or the British one?

Kyle: I watch the American "Office," but I've also seen clips of the U.K. one, and it's pretty funny.

Jamie: I'm a kind of, you know, original British "Office" person. I don't think the American one...

Andrew: Oh, it's hilarious.

Jamie: ...owns up to it.

Andrew: Steve Carell, man, am I right, Kyle? Steve Carell?

Kyle: Definitely. Did you watch it last night, Andrew?

Andrew: No, I haven't seen it in so long. Was it new?

Kyle: Yeah. Dwight says...

Andrew: Oh. Don't ruin it for me! I got to watch it. [laughs] Okay, what does he say, what does he say? Tell me.

Kyle: At the end, he says, "I'm not a hero. The person who's a hero is Hero Nakamura from 'Heroes.'"

[Andrew laughs]

Kyle: And then he also goes...

Jamie: Nice.

Kyle: ...And Bono.

Andrew: Does he really? Oh man. He wins in my book.

Kyle: Yeah, and...

Jamie: Isn't he the guy from Bruce Almighty?

Kyle: U2...

Andrew: No. U2, what?

Kyle: ...Is like my favorite band. Me and my two friends last night had a sleepover and all week my friend brought over the Elevation Tour on DVD.

Andrew: Awesome.

Kyle: And all we did for three hours was watch that over and over.

Andrew: Hey, man. I'm only 15 minutes away. Give me a call next time you're watching the U2 DVD. I'll be there.

Jamie: Yeah, you can have a kind of party.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: In New Jersey. Light the town up.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. Alright, Kyle.

Jamie: Thank you very much, Kyle. See you later.

Kyle: Thank you, guys. Bye.

Call: Reaching For A Horcrux?

[Sound of phone ringing]

Jamie: Hey, can you state your name, where you come from and your theory please?

Chloe: My name is Chloe, I'm from New Jersey and my theory is that maybe, possibly that the cover art is not the final battle between him and Voldemort, but maybe Voldemort finds out about his search for the Horcruxes and that they are both reaching for the Horcrux and that possibly...

Jamie: Oh, so you mean that Voldemort is trying to save it before Harry can get to it.

Chloe: Yeah.

Jamie: Micah? What do you think about that?

Micah: I don't know. I mean, I think when you look at Voldemort that he's sort of falling back a little bit. And I don't know if he was trying to stop Harry from getting whatever that is that he'd be falling back. He'd be a little bit more aggressive. Whereas Harry has his palm open for it, almost welcoming whatever it is. So, I think whatever that is that he's reaching for, Voldemort's afraid of it, more than anything else.

Andrew: Yeah.

Cover: The Building

Jamie: Chloe, Chloe, what do you think that building is? Because we've just had a call that talks about that it could be the Coliseum from Rome because it looks like it. What do you think that building is? Where do you think they are?

Chloe: I was pretty convinced that it might be part of the Ministry of Magic that we haven't introduced to yet.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: And what do you think the shadows are around the edge? Because didn't Scholastic say that they were definitely figures; shadows of people? Do you think that they are people who Voldemort just killed, or a kind of Priori Incantatem thing where they've come back to watch Harry take a Horcrux or something like that?

Chloe: I actually thought that it might be Death Eaters and other followers.

Jamie: Yeah. That's pretty interesting.

Micah: Well, what do you think, Chloe, about them being the Deathly Hallows? The spirits of those that Voldemort has killed? They’re sort of watching what's going on.

Chloe: Yeah, I think it's, for me, definitely one or the other.

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: I agree.

Micah: What...

Jamie: I agree.

Micah: Sorry.

Jamie: No, go on.

Micah: I was going to say everyone has all these theories about it being the Ministry, but what if it's Hogwarts? We have stone on the ground; we have wood on the ground. Perhaps wooden doors...

Andrew: Well, we thought about the Coliseum before, unless they're going to build on by Book 7.

Jamie: Well, yeah. They could well do that.

Andrew: We've pretty much seen all of Hogwarts now, haven't we? There's no place that we haven't been to.

Jamie: No, that's very good. Can we just take this moment to intro Kevin, who was supposed to be here on time, but thanks to Windows Vista, which he now uses, he's about 10 minutes late.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Hey, Kevin.

Kevin: Hello. How's it going?

Jamie: Very well. Very well, Andrew...

Andrew: We're speaking with Chloe.

Jamie: Yeah, we are speaking with Chloe here. Okay, thank you very much, Chloe. See you later.

Chloe: Thanks. Bye.

Call: The Full Moon

[Sounds of phone ringing]

Abby: Hi, MuggleCast.

Jamie: Hi. Please state your name, where you're from and your theory please?

Abby: I'm Abby, 13, from North Carolina.

Andrew: Hi, Abby!

Abby: Hi!

Jamie: Hey, how're you doing?

Abby: I'm good.

Kevin: Hi, Abby.

Andrew: How's the weather in Arizona? What was it?

Abby: North Carolina.

Jamie: North Carolina.

Micah: North Carolina.

Jamie: Pretty easy to confuse them, Andrew.

Andrew: Oh, North Carolina! [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Sorry, Skype broke up. It was a little...

Jamie: Abby, can I just ask you one question before you state your theory?

Abby: Yeah, go ahead.

Jamie: I was wondering, do you watch "Prison Break" by any chance?

Abby: I do not.

Jamie: Every person who phoned up has said that they don't. I think it's a travesty. You should. Really. It's so good. It's unbelievable.

Abby: I'll keep that in mind.

Andrew: One other thing...

Jamie: You should. You really should.

Andrew: I'm going to be driving to South Carolina tomorrow. So, when I pass through North Carolina, I'll be sure to keep an eye out for you.

Jamie: Yeah.

Abby: Okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Because it's a very small place. You'll probably see her. I can guarantee it.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: Not that you'd know, Jamie.

Jamie: No.

Andrew: I have a map to prove it.

Jamie: That's very true.

[Abby and Jamie laugh]

Kevin: What are you going to do when you go through Arizona?

Andrew: [laughs] I said North Carolina.

Jamie: Keep driving, probably.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: What's your theory, Abby?

Abby: Well, I was going to talk about the full moon on the back of the British children's edition of the cover.

Andrew: Ooh.

Jamie: Yeah.

Abby: And you guys talked about this for a little while in Episode 83, but you never really mentioned the moon. And full moons are often associated with insanity and insomnia as well as magic.

Jamie: Yeah.

Abby: So, I think this could be a symbol of the final battle ending in, like, a whole mess of just magic and things. But the castle is icy, as you said, but I think it's Hogwarts.

Jamie: Oh, really?

Abby: Yeah. I thought that it might have something to do with all the magical stuff going on in it. And that it might show that it's, like closing down. The final battle takes place there.

Jamie: Why do you think the castle is silvery? That it's due to the moon, or...

Abby: I don't really know. I think it just might have something to do with all the magic that's going on with it.

Andrew: Hmm.

Jamie: And you're sure that it's not Aladdin's Palace?

[Abby and Andrew laugh]

Jamie: From Aladdin? Because I'm 110 percent sure it is. Honestly.

Abby: Well, as much as I would love to think that Disney would meet Harry Potter, I think it's Hogwarts.

Jamie: They have - No, no, no, no, they have really. They signed a deal. Warner Brothers and Disney have signed this huge multi-million pound deal.

[Abby and Andrew laugh]

Jamie: And they're fusing the two together. Isn't that right, Micah?

Micah: Umm.

Jamie: Yes. I'm glad you agree.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I agree. Sure.

Andrew: You didn't pick that up in the News Center, Micah?

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: No, no, I didn't catch that story.

Jamie: Oh, that's bad. You're fired then.

Micah: Okay.

Jamie: If you can't even work that out. What did you think about that theory then? The moon?

Abby: Well, I also just wanted to say that, by the US edition, it kind of shows that the - or well, that I think that the final battle will take place in the Death Chamber in the Ministry. And I was just wondering whether you guys had any ideas why they would show separate places on the covers.

Jamie: Andrew?

Andrew: Oh. I don't know. For the covers, you mean? Like, why they're both set on different, you know...

Abby: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I really think it's just up to the illustrator to decide what they want to do. I know Mary GrandPre reads the whole book, so I assume the UK illustrator does too.

Jamie: Well, I think they change them. The illustrators. I don't think it's the same person who does it.

Andrew: No, but it's still definitely Mary GrandPre.

Jamie: Oh, what, for the US?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Well, I think it's just a creative license. You know, they draw what they feel personally what is the best illustration for the book. I mean, I'm sure they put it through Jo, but I guess it's just a creative license type thing. Kevin?

Kevin: Well, I was just going to say that, going back to the full moon, it's interesting that she - he or she, I'm not sure who illustrates the UK cover, decides...

Andrew: I'm pretty sure it was a dude.

Kevin: Was it?

Andrew: Sorry. Go ahead.

Kevin: Well, just the fact that they put a full moon on the cover has some implications as to what we can expect from the seventh book. I mean, it's not an arbitrary choice, so you...

Jamie: No, it's not.

Kevin: Wouldn't expect that a full moon would come up. And with a full moon you'd know of, you know, werewolves and Lupin and, you know, all the implications behind that.

Jamie: Well, that's exactly what I thought. I thought it was the, you know, whole werewolf reference. It's obviously a huge full moon. Slap. Bang on the back of the cover, you know. I assumed that either Lupin would figure or Greyback would figure pretty heavily.

Kevin: Yeah, that's what I thought of when I saw it.

Jamie: I don't know. Micah?

Micah: Well, what was I going to say? I think what's interesting is that...

Jamie: Only you know that.

Micah: [laughs] No. Yes, that's very true. I think the British illustrator actually, for the children's edition, is told what to draw. Not necessarily reads the book. At least that's what I remember.

Jamie: Really?

Micah: Yeah. So, that's kind of interesting. With the full moon, again, I agree with what you guys were saying as far as Lupin, werewolves, that sort. But what's interesting to me about this is that the castle looks very calm.

Andrew: It does.

Micah: It's very relaxed. Whereas everything around it looks like it's in complete disarray and destruction.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: If you look at the tree, everything seems to be off of it. There's smoke or clouds rising in the distance. You don't really have any look at the Forbidden Forest. At all.

Jamie: But, Abby, do you think that sort of calmness isn't really calmness, but is more hostility and problems within Hogwarts? Or do you think it is calm over the castle?

Abby: I think does kind of show calm a little bit. But if you actually look behind it, there's some clouds. And there's kind of a face in one of the clouds. I don't know whether that's just - it looks like - I don't know, you kind of see a face and two teeth. I don't know if that's just me imagining things, but...

[Jamie laughs]

Abby: And you also see a tree which I think might be the Whomping Willow. So, I don't know whether that could resemble a return of the Marauders, because...

Jamie: That's interesting. Yeah.

Abby: Because they used that.

Jamie: Well, do you know, isn't Prongs on the cover as well?

Abby: Yeah, he's on the inside flap.

Jamie: Well, that's very interesting.

Kevin: I was going to say that it looks like a large amount of trees. And the first thing I thought of when I saw it was the Forbidden Forest that had been destroyed but was being, you know, covered by smoke or some cloud of some sort.

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: Like sort of the battle right on their doorstep.

Micah: I mean, could it be the oncoming, the ensuing battle? The clouds rolling towards Hogwarts.

Kevin: Right.

Abby: Yeah, the calm before the storm.

Micah: Right.

Kevin: And I also saw what you mean by the face in the clouds. It looks like they meant to put, like wispy faces in the cloud. I don't know if they did.

Jamie: Yeah.

Abby: Yeah, like the spirits returning.

Kevin: Right.

Jamie: I think that's pretty right. But that reminds me of - I don't know why or how I remembered this. But I saw some photos of the Twin Towers after September the 11th. And there was a conspiracy theory that you could see the face of the devil in them.

Kevin: The face, yeah.

Jamie: I saw these photos and I thought they looked pretty real, but I didn't know if they'd been doctored or if they were the real thing or if my mind was just being, you know.

Andrew: Everyone sees something different in clouds, I believe. So.

Jamie: That's true.

Andrew: I mean, you know, it all depends on how kinked your neck is when you're looking at it.

Jamie: That's true.

Micah: Andrew saw Flipper.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. We got some other callers to get to. But thanks, Abby, for calling.

Jamie: Thanks. Abby. See you later.

Kevin: Thanks, Abby.

Abby: Alright, bye.

Micah: Bye.

Andrew: Bye.

Call: Book Title Trends

[Sound of phone ringing]

Jamie: Do you think you could state your name, where you come from, and your theory, please?

Lena: Yeah. My name is Lena. I'm from Silver Spring, Maryland, sixteen years old.

Andrew: Everyone is on the east coast today. It's awesome.

Jamie: Yeah, it's true. Although we've had somebody from - oh no, wait. North Carolina is on the east coast, isn't it?

Andrew: [laughs] Yes, it is.

Jamie: I was thinking of a Californian. Lena, before you give us your theory, could I just ask you one quick question?

Lena: Sure.

Jamie: I was wondering, do you - Do you know who Michael Scofield is?

Lena: No. [laughs]

Jamie: Oh, okay.

[Andrew laughs] Jamie; Because, you see, the question I've been asking everyone is, "Do you watch 'Prison Break'?" And he's a character from "Prison Break," but everyone hasn't heard of him and no one watches "Prison Break." It's very, very depressing. I think you should start, definitely. Trust me.

Lena: Is that the name of the actor or, like, the character on the show?

Jamie: That's the character.

Lena: Oh.

Jamie: He's played by Wentworth Miller. You should definitely watch. Promise me. Please, please.

[Everyone laughs]

Lena: I'll try.

Jamie: It will make my year. It will make my year if you do. Please. Okay, go on. What's your theory?

Andrew: That is hilarious.

Lena: Not really a theory, but I was thinking about how all of the other books were titled. And it seems to be something tangible each time. Like the Sorcerer's Stone, and even like, the Half-Blood Prince is a person.

Jamie: Yeah.

Lena: So, I think that the Deathly Hallows is going to be something very specific.

Jamie: Yeah.

Lena: Like, people think it's like, I don't know, the final battle and whatnot. But I feel it's going to be a place, or, yeah. Do you know what I'm saying?

Jamie: Well...

Kevin: Yeah, I totally agree, yeah.

Jamie: We talked about this a while ago, and we said that, as you say, you know, the Philosopher's Stone was a specific thing, Chamber of Secrets a specific thing, Prisoner of Azkaban a person, Goblet of Fire an object...

Lena: Well, yeah.

Jamie: Order of the Phoenix a group. But then Deathly Hallows just seems like, at the moment it could mean anything, but...

Lena: It could be anything, but I don't think that Jo would deteriorate from the kind of...

Jamie: The theme, yeah.

Lena: Yeah, which she's already set up.

Jamie: Well, I mean. But, when you first heard Half-Blood Prince you knew it was either a prince that was half-blood or the prince of the half-bloods. But with this book it just seems that there is so much that it could be. I mean, I agree with you, it is probably going to be something specific. But right now, do you think she just wants to build up the mysticism by sort of, you know, not telling everyone exactly what it is? Or...

Andrew: I think that's exactly it. Because, I mean...

Lena: I don't know.

Andrew: We are going to be so short on details about this book that if she keeps it open with this title then we're going to have much more to speculate about. Because I really don't think, like, the summary in the - we talked about this last week. The summary inside the flap of the book, it's very broad. It doesn't really name anything new in Book 7. It just says that Harry has got to fight this final battle, you know...

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Andrew: ...and he's all on his own. And just the whole - so by making the title very broad, very, there's much to speculate about, you know, it sort of makes up for it I guess. If that makes sense.

Lena: That is true. I do know, though, that we will be very sure what it is. At least we always find out what it is. It's not going to be like this, you know, we're going to finish reading the book and then we're going to go, "Wait, what was the Deathly Hallows?" [laughs] We are going to find out what exactly it is.

Kevin: Yeah, it's going to be more tangible and less a theme of the book.

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: Is what you're saying.

Lena: Mhm. Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree.

Andrew: It seems as if the locket is going to be the theme of the book based on...

Kevin: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: ...where we're seeing it. I mean, it's on the main cover.

Kevin: Everywhere, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. It's - I don't know. I wanted something big and new [laughs] to be the theme of the book.

Jamie: I wanted that too.

Kevin: Yeah, but for all we know they're putting the locket on there just to put a piece of the old books in the new book just to catch your interest. You know?

Micah: Very true.

Kevin: Just to, yeah. It's sort of like, you know, twenty years down the line for someone newly reading the books. You know, seeing the locket may spark some interest in them, so. I just think...

Jamie: I think so.

Micah: Lena, what do you think...

Kevin: I don't think...

Micah: ...the Deathly Hallows are?

Lena: Well, I was recently re-reading Order of the Phoenix, and I came across an interesting line - and I'm going to misquote this - but, Ron said something like [laughs] maybe Sirius' brother - oh, what was it? Something like, maybe - they were talking about the weapon. They kept saying, you know, the weapon. The weapon was a big theme in Order of the Phoenix.

Jamie: Yeah.

Lena: And they said maybe Sirius's brother knew something about the weapon...

Jamie: Yeah.

Lena: ...and he told Sirius. And I thought that was kind of interesting because, you know, everyone thinks that the locket's in Number 12 Grimmauld Place.

Jamie: Yeah.

Lena: So, if Sirius was, I don't know, there for the Order meetings I just - I just found that quote really interesting. Because maybe Sirius did know something that he didn't tell Harry.

Jamie: I think that's interesting. Especially because, you know, R.A.B. is clearly, you know, an important character in it. Not least because he's got the Horcrux. But there has to be more to him, you know. Because, that note, she clearly meant to show everyone that note. So, I agree. I think. And Sirius as well. I have the - Laura completely disagrees with me on this - but I don't think Sirius has completely, you know, used up his role, so.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I'd like to think that he can talk to us from beyond the grave, or, you know...

Lena: Well, I feel like we're going to find more about the past, about James and Lily and Snape and Sirius in the past because I feel that it is very important. And we need to find out about the moment when James saved Snape's life. And I think Sirius might be involved with that.

Jamie: That's pretty cool. Yeah.

Andrew: Probably, yeah.

Jamie: I like that.

Andrew: So, do you think we're just going to see him in a flashback sort of thing, or...

Lena: That's the problem. Either - I don't think we can use a Pensieve again, just because we already saw Snape's worst memory that way.

Andrew: Yeah.

Lena: And Dumbledore wouldn't be keeping, you know, Snape's memories in his office.

Andrew: Right.

Lena: So, I think that Harry is going to use time travel.

Andrew: Hmmm.

Lena: I know, that theory is kind of common that he is going to go back and stuff.

[Andrew laughs]

Lena: [laughs] But there's not many other ways for us to find out.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Well, I would say a flashback. I mean, I'm one of those people who think that a lot of these characters, including Dumbledore and Sirius, left a trail of bread crumbs. In the sense that they...

Andrew: [laughs] What kind of bread?

Kevin: Well. [laughs] Well, in the...

[Jamie and Lena laugh]

Kevin: ...sense that they knew that they were in grave danger, and they knew that that there was a high possibility that they were actually going to end up dead. And I just don't see them not leaving something behind to help the people they love.

Jamie: I agree, yeah.

Kevin: And I think that may contribute to the overall flashback thing because something can be explained in a letter that Sirius hid for Harry, or a memory that Dumbledore left in a Pensieve only for Harry and stuff like that.

Andrew: Alright, well, Lena - it's Lena, right?

Lena: Yeah.

Andrew: Thank you for calling. We've got some other people to get to now, so we’re going to let you go.

Lena: Yeah. Thank you!

Andrew: Thanks for calling. Bye bye!

Jamie: Thank you.

Andrew: Pickles!

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