Call: Beyond The Veil

[Sound of phone ringing]

Andrew: [in a fake accent] Hello, Dunkin' Donuts!

Johnny: Hey, Andrew. This is Johnny, 13, from Boston, Mass., and I heard that you guys were doing a theory submission?

Jamie: Hey, Johnny.

Andrew: [in a fake accent] I'm sorry, we only sell - ah, I screwed it up. Alright.

Jamie: Alright, it worked pretty well. Johnny, before you get to your theory, can I just ask you a question quickly?

Johnny: Yes.

Jamie: Okay, do you know who Michael Scofield is?

Johnny: I do, actually. Yes.

Jamie: You do!

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: You do, excellent. Excellent. Who is he? Just to prove it.

Johnny: Scanfield?

Jamie: He's what, sorry?

Johnny: Scanfield, you said?

Jamie: No, Scofield. Michael Scofield.

Johnny: Scofield. Oh, the...

Jamie: Do I hear Google?

[Andrew laughs]

Johnny: No. The "Prison Break" guy.

Jamie: Yeah, the "Prison Break" guy.

Johnny: The main character - or the brother.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The main guy. Do you watch "Prison Break"?

Johnny: No, but I've heard of it.

Jamie: Oh, okay. Awesome, awesome. You're the best guy so far. I've been asking every single person if they watch "Prison Break." I've just finished watching the second season and it's so good, so now I have to find out who else watches it, but you're the first guy who's heard of it, so well done.

Johnny: I don't want to spoil anything for you.

Andrew: So, you've seen a couple?

Johnny: I've seen some of it, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Jamie: Oh, that's cool. Okay then.

Andrew: So, what's your theory, Johnny?

Johnny: Well, about the cover, it's - I think that the stadium or coliseum in the background is actually what is behind the veil or where the veil leads to, and it's where Voldemort and Harry are going to have their final showdown.

Andrew: Hm.

Jamie: Well, you know, it's extremely interesting that you call it the coliseum because we had a caller before that actually said he thinks it is the Roman coliseum, and that they're going to have a battle there. Do you think it's a real life place? Or is it just something beyond the veil.

Johnny: Well, as real as it could be. I mean, it's - I don't think it's a place in London or anything. I think it's more fictional, more kind of not reality. It's more behind the veil. I think that's where Harry is going to meet up with the...

Jamie: That's actually a pretty good theory, I think, because the veil has been built up so much, there has to be something dramatic happening with it. What do you think they're reaching up for? Because we also had a caller who said that the thing that Harry's reaching for – it looks like he wants to get it, but they think it could be a Horcrux that both Harry and Voldemort are reaching for. Voldemort wants to take it so Harry can't get it, and Harry obviously wants to take it first so he can destroy it. What do you think about that?

Slytherin's Locket

Johnny: I think that's a pretty good idea, since the British version – since the British cover art is the Slytherin locket, and that could be the Horcrux they're reaching for.

Jamie: That's very interesting.

Andrew: But isn't that what is hanging on Harry's neck?

Micah: That's what I thought.

Johnny: I thought it was his iPod when he's listening to MuggleCast that's hanging on his neck.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: It is, it is.

Andrew: Alright, fine. [laughs] No, but seriously. You think it's a locket, don't you?

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: I think it's a locket because it seems to be such a central part of the book now.

Jamie: I think it probably is, but why – obviously, it can't be a Horcrux, then, because why would he wear it? Bringing a Horcrux to Voldemort, you know?

Andrew: Oh, that's a good point.

Jamie: He must have destroyed it, and now he just keeps a photo of Ginny in there or something.

[Andrew and Johnny laugh]

Andrew: Maybe it really is an iPod.

Jamie: It could be. Micah?

Is Harry Reaching For Something?

Micah: I was going to ask Johnny because we talked about this earlier with a couple of callers; sort of the hand motions where Harry seems to have his hand open welcoming or trying to draw to him something, where Voldemort seems to be sort of having his hand pushing whatever it is away. I wanted to know what you thought about that.

Johnny: Well, it could just be Mary - the artist is trying to - he kind of just could be reaching up just for the sake of it. He might not actually be - I don't know, I don't think that he's - Actually, well, I don't think he's actually reaching for anything, no.

Andrew: Mhm.

Johnny: And do we know that definitely is Voldemort? The snake in the robe? I don't know who else it would be.

Andrew: Oh, absolutely. Wouldn't that be terrible if it wasn't really Voldemort?

Jamie: It's Sirius. He's been deformed from being behind the veil so he puts that cloak on.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Johnny: And I know you guys probably talked about this, but isn't the British children's Deathly Hallows just terrible?

Andrew: Well, you mean the cover?

Jamie: Oh, the cover?

Johnny: Yeah.

Jamie: You didn't like it?

Andrew: Have you listened to our discussion on the show?

Johnny: I have, but that's why I know you don't like it.

Micah: Which one, the children's?

Johnny: Yes.

Andrew: I was a bit taken aback. I was like, "Wait, why is it so colorful?"

Jamie: It's very fairytale-ish.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Jamie: It is very fairytale-ish. I think that's kind of the theme of the children's Harry Potter ones. I mean, Philosopher's Stone had the train, Chamber of Secrets - I shouldn't have said that because I can't remember what Chamber of Secrets was.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: All of them were pretty fairytale-ish. I think it's just - I just like it because there's treasure, and, you know, I know not all treasure is gold and everything, but I don't know. I see what you mean, though. I can understand why people wouldn't like it because of how serious the book is.

Johnny: Do you guys think that that has to do with Deathly Hallows? The treasure?

Jamie: I don't know. Kevin?

Kevin: Oh, the - I don't think so. I think that it may come up in the sense of the location that they're fighting in or a location they're brought to, but I don't think it's directly involved in the title of the book.

Andrew: I'm very intrigued by all this treasure because we've never seen so much treasure in the books before, except for going to Gringotts.

Johnny: Is that Harry's vault, do you think?

Andrew: Well, do you have a quick theory about that? Do you have any ideas? It could be Harry's vault. I mean - well, I don't think it can be Harry's vault because there's all that armor too.

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, see, that's what I didn't understand. They were pretty deliberate about showing a false suit of armor.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: You know, they have the chest piece, the shield, the sword.

Andrew: Yeah. It was very prominent. It was front and center.

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, that's true.

Kevin: And it's a different color from all the other pieces.

Andrew: Right, right. Well, thank you for calling in, Johnny. We've got some other callers to get to.

Johnny: Okay, sorry. Thank you for having me.

Andrew: No problem. Thanks for coming on.

Jamie: See you later, Johnny.

Johnny: Long live MuggleCast and have Ben back on the show.

Andrew: Woo! Well, you know what? You can yell at Ben. You want his phone number? I got it.

Jamie: E-mail him. E-mail him and tell him.

Andrew: E-mail him, yeah. And trust me...

Johnny: I have.

Andrew: ...he had an open invitation to be on the show today, but apparently, he couldn't. So, whatever. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah. Oh well.

Johnny: Alright, well.

Jamie: Thanks, Johnny.

Andrew: If you don't like us, Johnny, you know, whatever. We'll just...

Jamie: Yeah.

Johnny: No, I - [laughs].

Andrew: I don't know why I answered your call to begin with.

Johnny: No, you're my favorite, Andrew.

Andrew: Okay.

Johnny: You and Jamie are my favorites.

Andrew: Whatever. Still, it's too late.

Jamie: Aw, see you later.

Kevin: Aw, thanks a lot, Johnny.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh, and by the way, Kevin and Micah are here too.

[Micah and Kevin laugh]

Micah: Yeah.

Johnny: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Alright.

Johnny: Yeah. Alright, thank you.

Andrew: Thank you, Johnny.

Kevin: Thank you.

Johnny: Alright, bye.

Andrew: That's weird. He didn't try to clean it up and say, "Yeah, I love you guys."

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Andrew: Hey, whatever, it's cool. Alright.

Call: Voldemort's Vault?

Andrew: Hello, Katya? How do you say your name?

Katya: [pronounces name] Katya.

Andrew: Katya. Sorry about that. Katya.

Katya: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: Where are you from?

Katya: Philadelphia.

Andrew: Alright! Representing! Everyone is in the area today. I should have just had a live podcast. Why are we doing this over Skype? We just had someone call over from Gibbsboro, New Jersey. Do you know where that is?

Katya: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, it's not too far from...

Katya: It's close to...

Jamie: It's pretty cool.

Andrew: Yeah. Alright, what's your theory today?

Katya: Well, I was thinking that Voldemort has a vault or something at Gringotts, so that's why that on the cover there's all the coins and everything. So, maybe they went to Hogwarts, got Dobby and the sword, and then went looking for his vault, maybe?

Jamie: That's very interesting. We just had a caller who wondered what the treasure was on the children's cover, and he said it could be his fortune. But we thought it probably wasn't because the armor on the front is so prominent, and Jo clearly wants us to see what that armor is.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: I'm not sure though.

Katya: Well, it could be in his vault. Maybe it might be a Horcrux that he hides in there. Because...

Andrew: That Harry hides in there?

Katya: No, that Voldemort hides in there.

Andrew: Oh.

Jamie: It's extremely funny that you should say that as well because I was thinking the other day that when Hagrid says that Gringotts is the safest place to hide a Horcrux, you know, except - sorry, to hide an object except Hogwarts. I would think if you were Voldemort, wouldn't you get a vault - I mean, I would...

Andrew: Store them all in there, yeah.

Jamie: ...think about putting all of the Horcruxes in there. Or one at least. Because they have to have some kind of secrecy clause. You know, you can't give a key to somebody who is - whose vault is – who doesn't own it. The goblins don't seem to have any allegiance, so even if the Ministry of Magic came and said, "You have to open this vault because we think that Voldemort's Horcrux is in there." That seems to be an idea. What do you think about that?

Andrew: I wonder if the Ministry of Magic does have that power to open up a vault, to look inside it if they think someone might be trying to hide something in there. Not even Voldemort could say...

Jamie: It's a private bank, isn't it? It's a private bank.

Andrew: It is, but that would be a big plot hole, wouldn't it? It's one of those things where you're just like, "Oh, couldn't you just put it in Gringotts and then..."

Jamie: If I was a goblin, I'd be a tough one though and – you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Katya: Well, maybe the goblins are working for Voldemort now. Maybe they're on his side.

Andrew: Well, yeah.

Jamie: They could well be.

Andrew: Yeah, he could just possess one and...

Kevin: Either that or he has them under some sort of spell that requires that they can't give up that information. Like...

Andrew: Yeah.

Katya: Yeah.

Kevin: ...Unbreakable Vows or something of the sort.

Goblin Or House Elf?

Micah: Speaking of goblins, what if that's a goblin on Harry's back? Why does it have to be a house elf?

Andrew: Because of the ears, I thought.

Jamie: Because it looks like one?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Why does it have to be Harry? Because it looks like him.

Andrew: Well, you know, he's...

Jamie: But I agree, though.

Andrew: ...got a point, yeah.

Jamie: It's interesting. You do have a point.

Micah: The face is hidden. I mean, it's just a thought.

Andrew: That might be because they don't want us to know if it is Kreacher or...

Kevin: Dobby.

Andrew: ...Dobby, yeah.

Micah: Yeah, to be honest with you, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, though [laughs].

Andrew: Yeah, that is - No, no Kreacher is a heck of a lot older.

Kevin: You could. Yeah.

Andrew: And grumpier.

Jamie: Yeah, he is a lot grumpier.

Micah: That, and he's got a little pot belly.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you could tell. [laughs]

Micah: I don't know.

Jamie: There's that theory gone.

Katya: Do you think that maybe he went back to Hogwarts and stuff because of the sword? Maybe?

Jamie: Gryffindor's sword?

Katya: Yeah.

Jamie: You mean.

Andrew: Didn't we talk about this on the show? I think we said it was, wasn't it?

Jamie: I don't know. What, that his sword was up? But do you know, it's so dangerous, though, because he must - Gryffindor, I don't want to say that Gryffindor was close to Dumbledore and everyone's hearts, but it seems to be more so than the other Houses. And he must realize the risk that he's getting into by making the Horcrux - sorry, by making the sword a Horcrux when it obviously has a greater connection to Hogwarts and in Hogwarts now than the cup and the locket and things like that, so I don't know. What do you guys think?

Kevin: I thought originally, when I saw the sword, that he definitely went back to Hogwarts, and I still sort of think that. I mean, it's hard to believe that she's going to not have him go back to Hogwarts at least once during the book, you know?

Jamie: What, you mean...

Kevin: We've been there all six years and...

Jamie: That is very true. And...

Kevin: It's just hard to believe that...

Jamie: And just how important the seventh book was as well if they did that.

Kevin: And she set up Hogwarts through six books, I mean, why would she not...

Andrew: Yeah. Hogwarts is as integral as Harry is to the story, if you ask me.

Kevin: Exactly.

Andrew: So.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Exactly. Alright, well, thank you for calling in today.

Katya: No problem.

Andrew: And we hope you keep on listening.

Katya: Thank you. Bye.

Jamie: Thank you. See you later.

Katya: Bye.

Andrew: Bye.

Kevin: Thanks for calling.

Call: Harry's Life After Voldemort

[Sound of phone ringing]

Andrew: What's up, Nick?

Jamie: Hey.

Nick: Hey, how's it going?

Andrew: Pretty good. How about you?

Jamie: Not bad, how about you? Where are you from?

Nick: I am in Idaho at college.

Andrew: Oh, very cool.

Micah: Idaho.

Jamie: Is that east coast?

Andrew: No.

Nick: Yep.

Jamie: Oh.

[Andrew laughs]

Nick: Not.

Jamie: Nick, can I ask you a quick question?

Nick: Yeah, Jamie.

Jamie: Okay, well, I've been asking everyone who's been calling in and I am sure when people listen to this show, it's going to annoy them a lot, but I am sorry. But do you know who Michael Scofield is?

Nick: No, I have no idea.

Jamie: Oh, okay, well [laughs] he's the main guy from "Prison Break," the series, and I've been asking everyone if they watch it and so far no one watches it. So, I'd like to encourage you to watch it if you can because it's awesome. Okay, I'm done. [laughs]

Andrew: Alright. [laughs]

Micah: Jamie, did you sign a contract with Fox recently or something?

Andrew: It's heavy promotion going on.

Jamie: Yeah, I did - I did. My check's in the post now, so I need to start getting people watching it or they won't send me any more money.

Micah: Because clearly you need to do that now that the season is over.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's a weird deal, Micah.

Andrew: So, what's your theory, Nick?

Jamie: It's a weird deal. Yeah, what's your theory?

Nick: I wanted to know if you guys thought that Harry could truly live a happy and fulfilling life if he ends up defeating Voldemort? You know, because of what he has gone through and what he is going to go through in the next book. Could he really truly live a happy and fulfilling life after?

Andrew: That's a good question.

Jamie: That's interesting.

Andrew: He's going to be so mentally unstable, I think, after he kills Voldemort.

Nick: Right. You can see all the emotion that he's gone through in the last two books...

Andrew: Exactly.

Nick: ...that's affected him psychologically.

Andrew: Yeah. He's going to need some sort of counseling going on.

[Nick laughs]

Andrew: But - I don't know.

Kevin: I think he could be alright.

Andrew: I think if anything's going to stable him it's going to be...

Kevin: His friends.

Andrew: It's going to be Ginny. Well, and his friends, but more importantly Ginny. Like, continuing a relationship with her.

Jamie: Will his friends still be there at the end? This is the question.

Nick: Yeah.

Jamie: Is he going to finish the series completely alone with Voldemort killed, or is he going to end it with Voldemort done but still with his friends?

Harry's Future Job

Jamie: But Nick, if he does survive, and he can lead a normal life, what job do you think he's going to do? Because we were talking about this...

Nick: In the last episode, yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Nick: Oh gosh, I have no idea. [laughs]

Jamie: Really?

Andrew: I mean...

Jamie: We focused on him being a hot dog seller.

[Nick laughs]

Jamie: Which we thought was pretty surefire.

Andrew: Yeah, I think that's weak.

Jamie: He needs, you know - Why, why is it weak? What do you think he's going to do?

Andrew: Well, I, well - Okay, [laughs] come on, [laughs] he's not going to be a hot dog vender.

Nick: He should be a model.

Andrew: He should be a - yeah, he should be a model, there you go.

Nick: He should be a model.

Andrew: Yeah, or a podcaster. The possibilities are endless.

[Jamie and Nick laugh]

Nick: Oh, yeah. Wow.

Andrew: And just think that Harry needs to - Harry's definitely...

Jamie: What he's...

Andrew: ...going to need to find something to - I hate - I guess, stabilize his life because he's going to be...

Jamie: He does, sure.

Andrew: He's going to be coming out of school, out of this mayhem that he's being going through for really the past seven years - the past eighteen years of his life, really. So...

Kevin: His whole life, you mean?

Andrew: Yeah, his whole life. And he's got to...

[Kevin laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, his whole life.

Andrew: His parents left him with enough money where I don't think he'd really immediately need a job. He wouldn't immediately need a job right out of school.

Jamie: He wouldn't. He wouldn't need one.

Andrew: So...

Kevin: He wouldn't need one. No.

Andrew: But...

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Is he the kind of person who would get bored if he didn't have a job? You know, something to do.

Kevin: Definitely.

Jamie: Because it seems like...

Kevin: I think so. Yeah.

Andrew: Because he lives on the edge, he wouldn't... [laughs]

Kevin: Well, it's not only living on the edge. It's after coming off of so much excitement.

[Andrew laughs]

Kevin: You would think that he would get so used to it, that he'd have to do something.

Andrew: Yeah, that's true. Any ideas?

Too Psychologically Damaged To Move On?

Jamie: Nick, do you think he'd need to - he'll need to do something to, you know, live his life properly, or do you think he can just relax and, you know end his life having a nice time?

Nick: My theory is that he's more going to be psychologically damaged and that he's not going to be able to live a fulfilling life, so that kind of edges towards I want him to die, but I really don't.

[Andrew laughs]

Nick: I don't know.

Jamie: The thing is...

Nick: It's still too early.

Jamie: The thing is though if he's, you know, psychologically damaged, which psychiatrist is going to believe him when he goes in and says, "I've just had a huge battle with this wizard, and I killed him, but I'm scarred for life." You know, you'd think he was mad. You wouldn't think he was telling the truth. So, [laughs] he's going to go to like an insane asylum or something if that happens. He shouldn't go and tell a therapist because they wouldn't believe him in like a million years.

Andrew: Good point.

Jamie: But I mean I can see what you mean but - and you think if it happened to somebody who is older, as well, they'd have more chance. But if you think, you know, because he's got one more book effectively to do all this stuff, he's going to be eighteen, possibly nineteen, when he's killed Voldemort, and his life as Harry Potter in the series is ended. And that's an extremely young age to have that responsibility and background. So, I see what you mean. I think he could...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: He could be too damaged.

Andrew: That's a good point. Yeah, nothing - he's always going to be - not messed up, but just honestly - I know I keep...

Kevin: He's got to be affected by it.

Andrew: Yes. [laughs]

Kevin: I wouldn't call it - I wouldn't call it unstable, though. I mean, you can be stable and have traumatic things happened.

Andrew: I'm just saying...

Kevin: It's just how you handle it.

Andrew: I'm just thinking he's going to keep having nightmares about it and, who knows, his scar might still continue to hurt because of the Death Eaters, you know.

Jamie: Yeah, so...

Andrew: So, there's lots of possibilities.

Micah: I think it may depend on the structure that's around him. I mean, who survives, as Jamie said...

Jamie: That's true, yeah.

Micah: ...just before. That's going to have a huge impact on how stable or unstable he's going to be after Book 7...

Nick: With his friends.

Micah: ...assuming that he does survive. You know, if he loses those closest to him, maybe he'd rather be dead.

Jamie: That's the thing, yeah.

Micah: In all likelihood, that might be the solution.

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